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    Masks Could Help Stop Coronavirus. So Why Are They Still Controversial?

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    Confusing government advice at the start of the pandemic and cultural misgivings may have limited acceptance

    By in Berlin and in London June 28, 2020 5:30 am ET

    Medical experts say even handmade or cheap surgical masks can block droplets emitted by speaking, coughing and sneezing, making it harder for the virus to spread.
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    As countries begin to reopen their economies, face masks, an essential tool for slowing the spread of coronavirus, are struggling to gain acceptance in the West. One culprit: Governments and their scientific advisers.

    Researchers and politicians who advocate simple cloth or paper masks as cheap and effective protection against the spread of Covid-19, say the early cacophony in official advice over their use—as well as deeper cultural factors—has hampered masks’ general adoption.

    There is widespread scientific and medical consensus that face masks are a key part of the public policy response for tackling the pandemic. While only medical-grade N95 masks can filter tiny viral particles and prevent catching the virus, medical experts say even handmade or cheap surgical masks can block the droplets emitted by speaking, coughing and sneezing, making it harder for an infected wearer to spread the virus.

    Although many European countries and U.S. states have made masks mandatory in shops or on public transport, studies show that people are reluctant to wear them unless they have to.

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    Percentage of people who say they wear masks in public places.

    Source: YouGov polls ranging from 1,012 to 2,201 adults, margin of error: +/–3 percentage points on average, most recent conducted June 16-23.

    Surveys have found that the willingness to wear masks in these regions has plateaued and in some cases begun to decline, and adoption remains far from universal.

    Northern European countries’ residents seem more resistant to wearing them than their Mediterranean neighbors, who have been hit harder by the pandemic. In Denmark, Sweden, Norway and Finland, fewer than 10% of people said they wear a mask regularly, according to surveys published between February and late May by YouGov PLC.

    In the U.S., questions over wearing face masks have fueled heated political debates. The chief health officer in Orange County, Calif., recently resigned after receiving death threats for ordering mask-wearing outside.Tourists from Germany in Rome on June 16, after some European countries began to reopen their borders.
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    Male vanity also appears to be a powerful factor in rejecting masks. A study by Middlesex University London, U.K., and the Mathematical Sciences Research Institute in Berkeley, Calif., found that more men than women agreed that wearing a mask is “shameful, not cool, a sign of weakness, and a stigma.”

    In the U.K., with one of the highest Covid-19 death rates globally, only a quarter of respondents to a June 14 YouGov survey said they regularly wear a face mask.

    Jez Lloyd, a 56-year-old company director in London, said he would wear a face covering if he were using public transport, but said he doubted their effectiveness, because “they probably let you have a false sense of security.”

    A study by the University of Bamberg in Germany published on April 30 found that “acceptance for wearing masks is still low in Europe—many people just feel strange when wearing masks.”

    When Covid-19 spread to the West in February, key health-care institutions, such as the World Health Organization, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the U.S. Surgeon General argued against widespread use of face masks outside hospitals. Some experts dismissed simple masks that don’t stop viruses as dangerous, because they could induce a false sense of security in wearers.

    U.S. Surgeon General Jerome M. Adams tweeted on Feb. 29: “Seriously people—STOP BUYING MASKS!” He has since apologized and now supports wearing them.

    White House adviser Dr. Anthony Faucisaid this month that he initially dismissed masks because medical workers were facing a shortage in supplies. He, too, is now an advocate.

    “Naturally there is a lack of trust in health-care experts now, especially about masks,” said Jeremy Howard, a medical data scientist at the University of San Francisco who runs a pro-mask campaign.

    In some countries, such doubts have added to older stigma surrounding other forms of face coverings. In Austria, France and Belgium, Islamic veils are banned. Other European countries have had bans on face masks during public demonstrations. Masks are often prohibited in banks for security reasons.

    “I am fully aware that masks are alien to our culture,” said Austria’s Chancellor Sebastian Kurz in April, as he pleaded with citizens to embrace mask-wearing.

    Dr. Karl Lauterbach, a German epidemiologist and legislator, said that in a culture of optimizing appearance, rejection of masks is related to identity.

    “The acceptance of masks is very low—even as every student of medicine learns that masks prevent infection, which is why we doctors have been wearing them for over 100 years,” Dr. Lauterbach said.

    A lack of role models among leaders has made things worse, he added.

    Chancellor Angela Merkel, a scientist by training, doesn’t use a mask in public. President Trump has recommended masks but said he won’t wear one.

    This reticence is in contrast to Asia, where countries such as South Korea and Taiwan limited the spread of the pandemic early and without instituting severe restrictions like in the West. In Asia, the majority of people voluntarily use face coverings and it is mainly Western expatriates who are reluctant to adopt them, said Prof. Yuen Kwok-Yung, a leading coronavirus expert who advises the Hong Kong government.

    Hong Kong, with 7.5 million residents, is one of the most densely populated places on earth, but recorded only six deaths from Covid-19 despite having no lockdown and receiving nearly three million travelers a day from abroad, around half of them from mainland China, where the virus originated.

    The key secret of Hong Kong’s success, Prof. Yuen said, is that the mask compliance rate during morning rush hour is 97%. The 3% who don’t comply are mainly Americans and Europeans, he said.

    “The only thing you can do is universal masking, that’s what stopped it,” Prof. Yuen said.


    Masks as tools of disease prevention go back to the plague doctors of the Middle Ages, while surgical masks were first used in 19th-century Germany. They were improved on and popularized in Asia by Dr. ** Lien-teh—the first Chinese person to obtain a medical degree from the U.K.’s University of Cambridge—during the Manchurian Plague epidemic of 1910-1911.

    Universal masking then became part of the culture in Asia, while Western countries slowly forgot about its benefits, said Dr. Rastislav Madar, an epidemiologist and senior government adviser to the Czech government.

    The Czech Republic was the first European country to impose mandatory mask-wearing in some public spaces on March 18, before it recorded the first death by Covid-19. It has since reduced the number of daily new infections to below 50 and has one of the lowest coronavirus death rates in the world.

    The country’s public figures, including Prime Minister Andrej Babis, have worn masks in public to encourage their use. Ministers and experts have appeared in online videos explaining their benefits.

    One such video inspired Thomas Nitzsche, the mayor of Jena in Germany, to become the first mayor in the country to order mask-wearing in some public spaces—at a time when the federal government was warning against their use.

    Jena had one of the region’s fastest infection rates when it imposed the order on April 6. Less than a month later, it was free of Covid-19. This past Monday, the town had one active Covid-19 case.

    The masking order was preceded by two weeks of intense campaigning with support from opposition parties helping to overcome the public’s initial resistance, he said.

    “The science was clearly in favor of masks, but in the end my decision was driven by common sense.” Mr. Nitzsche said. “This is a respiratory disease, and covering your mouth and nose prevents it from spreading.”

    Write to Bojan Pancevski at bojan.pancevski@wsj.com and Jason Douglas at jason.douglas@wsj.com

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    It's common sense but here the flock goes in the direction the dog herds them..

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    People don't like being told what to do about sums it up.

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    because corona is a goddamn joke


    way to hurt the economy so trump doesnt get reelected

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    Masks are scientifically proven to help

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Masks are scientifically proven to help
    yea, and no sex also helps control STDs

    atleast you covered that you fukkin soyboy

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    They sure worked great during the 1918 pandemic.

    And the mask nazi's think these same dumbass masks are going to save us all.

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    common sense

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    The same dumbfukks against mask, buckle their seatbelts and drive the speed limit. Government tells them what to everyday

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Mayan View Post
    The same dumbfukks against mask, buckle their seatbelts and drive the speed limit. Government tells them what to everyday
    government says to wear masks you dumbass midget

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    They don't stop shit

    Minor affective rate w N95 masks, and that requires a new one 2xs a day

    Rest are worthless

    If you wear a mask you might feel good about yourself, but you're actually making yourself sicker and more susceptible

    https://amp.reddit.com/r/COVID19/com..._not_based_on/

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    first it was about flattening the curve.... we did that
    then it was about all the horrible deaths.... deaths now way down
    today its about about the number of cases and wearing masks

    you can clearly see that no matter what we do it will never be enough for the left

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    f*k the masks....

    Just eat 5-6 cloves of Garlic 2x a day with your greens..... Viruses hate Garlic ....

    Your going to smell like Garlic... but hey... your not going to get the Coronavirus...!!!!

    If you don't believe.... Just Google it folks....Follow a Nutritionist... Not a Virus Clown Dr...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RudyRuetigger View Post
    government says to wear masks you dumbass midget
    Melted tomato they tell you to wear a seatbelt too. And your ass does it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Mayan View Post
    Melted tomato they tell you to wear a seatbelt too. And your ass does it.
    do you not see where you screwed up or what?

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    If masks worked so great then why not give them to all the prisoners instead of letting them all out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by King Mayan View Post
    Melted tomato they tell you to wear a seatbelt too. And your ass does it.
    I don't wear mine on short trips.

    If it was for the dam flashing red light and the constant beeping I would never wear them.

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    No problem social distancing from you.........................

    Quote Originally Posted by Philmill View Post
    f*k the masks....

    Just eat 5-6 cloves of Garlic 2x a day with your greens..... Viruses hate Garlic ....

    Your going to smell like Garlic... but hey... your not going to get the Coronavirus...!!!!

    If you don't believe.... Just Google it folks....Follow a Nutritionist... Not a Virus Clown Dr...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RudyRuetigger View Post
    because corona is a goddamn joke


    way to hurt the economy so trump doesnt get reelected
    Quote Originally Posted by MinnesotaFats View Post
    They don't stop shit

    Minor affective rate w N95 masks, and that requires a new one 2xs a day

    Rest are worthless

    If you wear a mask you might feel good about yourself, but you're actually making yourself sicker and more susceptible

    https://amp.reddit.com/r/COVID19/com..._not_based_on/
    Quote Originally Posted by Philmill View Post
    f*k the masks....

    Just eat 5-6 cloves of Garlic 2x a day with your greens..... Viruses hate Garlic ....

    Your going to smell like Garlic... but hey... your not going to get the Coronavirus...!!!!

    If you don't believe.... Just Google it folks....Follow a Nutritionist... Not a Virus Clown Dr...
    Did you read the part I put in red?
    Hong Kong, with 7.5 million residents, is one of the most densely populated places on earth, but recorded only six deaths from Covid-19 despite having no lockdown and receiving nearly three million travelers a day from abroad, around half of them from mainland China, where the virus originated.

    The key secret of Hong Kong’s success, Prof. Yuen said, is that the mask compliance rate during morning rush hour is 97%. The 3% who don’t comply are mainly Americans and Europeans, he said.

    “The only thing you can do is universal masking, that’s what stopped it,” Prof. Yuen said.
    6 deaths with no lockdown, one of the most densely populated places on earth, 1.5 million daily visitors from China, and 97% wear a mask in public.

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    Hong Kong is FAKE NEWS

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    dr fauci 2 months ago "nobody should be wearing a mask, they do more harm than good, people touch their face too much, they don't fit right, and they trap the virus so you are more likely to be infected"

    dr fauci now "everyone should be wearing a mask, i was lying before because i wanted to protect our brave healthcare workers" (who apparently get their masks from walmart like the rest of us lol)

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    OSHA, yes THAT OSHA, had all the mask info + required data on their website for scores of occupations that required such.

    Everyone required a new mask 2xs daily or a perfectly sterile environment to prove effective.

    At no time is ANY mask to be worn 2xs and even the best N95 masks are worthless outside a sterile environment.

    Look, you know what beat the Spanish Flu? Smoking. As crazy as it sounds, smokers have irritated nodes in their lungs with a high density of red blood cells already fighting the effects of the smoking, as such it's that CV19 cannot attach to these nodes because of the immune system already present in large quantities of red blood cells.

    Gov't never going to say "go smoke" because we fukking pay for everyones healthcare now...but that's the answer. Masks are like 10% effective for the first 12 hours, after that they become a cesspool of spores molds and fungus themselves and will make you sick.

    If anyone believes China is the president to follow here you're out of your fukkin mind. China doesn't even have a free press, let alone medical community allowed to say anything that doesn't fit the program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily_Haines View Post
    If masks worked so great then why not give them to all the prisoners instead of letting them all out?
    Exactly!

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    The leftists on twitter are begging Newsom to make masks mandatory outside and to close everything back down. So when the mask bullshit don't work this is what is next on the left demands for the scamdemic.

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    under the advice of minnesota fattie i will now smoke a fatty... maybe a regular cigarette first just to make sure i'm good

    and yes i'm being sarcastic but i'm really gonna do that
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Huntertz View Post
    No problem social distancing from you.........................
    I hear Ya Mike ..... but the Garlic prevent works great.....!!!!

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    V.P. Pence today at a press event with Texas Gov. Abbott says he " strongly recommends people wear a face masks while the coronavirus pandemic remians an American health crisis." "We know from expierence it slows the coronavirus from spreading." That said by V.P. Pence today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HockeyRocks View Post
    V.P. Pence today at a press event with Texas Gov. Abbott says he " strongly recommends people wear a face masks while the coronavirus pandemic remians an American health crisis." "We know from expierence it slows the coronavirus from spreading." That said by V.P. Pence today.
    A little bit too late for that. The horse is out of the barn and Pence is telling us to close the barn door.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pavyracer View Post
    A little bit too late for that. The horse is out of the barn and Pence is telling us to close the barn door.
    Yup!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HockeyRocks View Post
    V.P. Pence today at a press event with Texas Gov. Abbott says he " strongly recommends people wear a face masks while the coronavirus pandemic remains.
    What a brain washed pussy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily_Haines View Post
    They sure worked great during the 1918 pandemic.

    And the mask nazi's think these same dumbass masks are going to save us all.
    Why compare 1918 flu WITH this? That affected 20-40 year olds plus that was a hundred years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lakerboy View Post
    Why compare 1918 flu WITH this? That affected 20-40 year olds plus that was a hundred years ago.
    playing both sides PER USUAL


    are you indian or french?

    although i guess canada is the new france

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