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    Jeapordy! 'Greatest Of All Time Tournament' Winner Leaked? 👀

    Did 'Jeopardy!' GOAT champ get leaked? Offshore books say yes


    David Purdum


    Offshore sportsbooks started taking bets on the "Jeopardy! Greatest of All Time" tournament in November, shortly after the game show announced that three legendary champions would face off in a prime-time TV event to air in January.

    The odds were up for a month before betting was suddenly halted.

    Three weeks ago, in the days after the GOAT tournament was taped, a flurry of bets showed up on one contestant, who we'll call Contestant X to avoid spoiling the outcome. Bookmakers on the receiving end of those bets are convinced there was a leak.

    The bets on Contestant X could be winners or losers, sharp (pro) or square (public); we don't know either way. All we know for sure is that in mid-December, savvy bettors, armed with what they believed was the inside scoop, unleashed enough bets on Contestant X that multiple sportsbooks decided to take the odds off the board.

    Welcome to the wild world of novelty betting, where leaks and nonsense rumors fuel a low-stakes, international market that produces more wild stories than massive scores. It's a world that, for the most part, state regulators require U.S. bookmakers to avoid.

    Taking bets on prerecorded, rehearsed or scripted events is unsurprisingly risky, because some folks will know the outcome before others.

    "When a result comes across, we all like to know it at the same time," John Avello, a veteran Las Vegas oddsmaker now with DraftKings, said. "That's kind of important to betting."

    Some offshore bookmakers, however, are undeterred and offer action on anything from "Game of Thrones" character deaths to Super Bowl halftime performances to predetermined WWE events. No matter how few people actually are in the loop, the betting market normally finds out what happens.

    That would appear to be the case with the GOAT tournament, which taped in December but won't air until this week beginning Tuesday. The multi-episode tournament features "Jeopardy!" legends Ken Jennings, Brad Rutter and James Holzhauer. The first contestant to win three games earns the title of GOAT and the $1 million prize.

    Taping of the GOAT tournament began Dec. 10 and lasted at least a couple of days. A week later, word of the alleged winner began to spread in the betting community. Bookmakers say that's when some customers began betting as if they knew who had won.

    On Dec. 19, prominent offshore sportsbook Pinnacle took two $500-limit bets on Contestant X from the same account. The next day, three more max bets on Contestant X were placed from the same account, and Pinnacle took the odds off the board.

    "I'm pretty sure at this stage that [the bettor] knew what was happening," Marco Blume, trading director for Pinnacle, told ESPN.

    On Dec. 23, a representative from Panama-based BetOnline.com tweeted that the sportsbook was closing the market on the GOAT tournament. "Some irregular betting patterns coming in. Stay tuned," BetOnline chief Dave Mason posted on Twitter.

    Mason later told ESPN that a sudden surge of bets came in on Contestant X, "one after another."

    "Granted, the limits were $100," Mason said, "[but] it raised concern and seemed strange, as previously most money was on [Contestant Y]."


    Part of the novelty betting game

    Rumors of leaks are a normal part of the game in the novelty betting market. It's up to bettors and bookmakers to figure out which ones are accurate and which ones aren't.

    "I think the cat-and-mouse game is the most fascinating part," said Christian Pina, a 30-year-old bettor who plays the novelty market.

    It's not a high-stakes game. Betting limits are often as low as $50, but there is a niche of gamblers, with a network of inside sources, that thrives on them.

    Sometimes their information is spot on, like when Coldplay led off its halftime show at Super Bowl XL with the song "Vida La Vida." A purported leak out of rehearsal tipped off some bettors that it would be the band's first song. Super Bowl halftime rehearsal leaks have been some of the most reliable, bettors say.

    Other times the information is bad, such as last year's Academy Awards, when a rumor that a long shot would win best director picked up steam on Twitter after an offshore sportsbook reported unusual betting interest on Yorgos Lanthimos. In New Jersey, where the state's legal sportsbooks were taking bets on the Oscars for the first time, several operators elected to take down the Best Director odds after the rush of bets.

    Lanthimos didn't end up winning; Alfonso Cuarón, the overwhelming favorite, did, and New Jersey sportsbooks would go on to win more than $182,000 on the Oscars, a chunk of it undoubtedly due to the inaccurate rumor.

    Despite last year's unusual betting, New Jersey sportsbook operators Caesars Entertainment and DraftKings are among the bookmakers planning to take bets on the Oscars again this year.

    "With the Oscars, a very, very important event, there are very few who know the results," Avello said. "I don't believe those events are leaked out. That's a close-knit group that knows them."

    Blume, the bookmaker for Pinnacle, disagrees with Avello about the security of the Oscars' results and said in years past he routinely noticed suspicious bets placed at the same time on specific categories that led him to believe something was up.

    "Years ago, I was really into offering betting on the Academy Awards," Blume said. "I really like the Oscars, but, let me tell you, I could tell you literally every single winner before the ceremony. Every single winner, without fail, every year."

    Will the "Jeopardy!" rumor come to fruition or fall flat? Only a select few know for sure, and therein lies the problem with taking bets on taped events.

    "There's a good reason why some books don't offer them," Pete Watt, international public relations executive for Oddschecker, which tracks the betting market, said.


    'A buddy in the know'

    U.S. sportsbooks are not taking bets on the GOAT tournament. Most state regulations don't allow bets on prerecorded TV shows. Offshore sportsbooks, however, put up odds on all kinds of things, somewhat remarkably even events that are scripted, such as professional wrestling.

    "It's a predetermined outcome, but WWE has been one of my most profitable areas to bet," said Pina, one of the bettors who learned of the alleged "Jeopardy!" GOAT winner last month

    Pina says he heard it from a "buddy in the know" on Dec. 19. He declined to expand on how his source knew the outcome, but he was confident enough in the information to place a few thousand dollars in bets on Contestant X, spread over several sportsbooks.

    If the GOAT results were indeed leaked, it wouldn't be the first time a high-profile "Jeopardy!" outcome got out. A day before the episode in which Holzhauer's epic 32-game winning streak was snapped, a clip of him losing was posted on the Internet.

    An executive director for "Jeopardy!" told The Washington Post that the show had an idea of what had happened and was going to take "very, very, very appropriate" actions. The show has not commented publicly about the leak since, and media relations representatives for "Jeopardy!" did not respond to multiple inquiries from ESPN about the alleged leak of the GOAT results.

    "All this other stuff, this 'Jeopardy!' stuff," Avello said, "if you're not booking that live, then there's too many people who know the results of it. To me, you have to be careful on the things that you're booking."
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    Crazy

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    I know the winner and the winner of this year's puppy bowl

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    It is probably poker player Ben Yu sneaking in the bets he is friends with Holzauer.

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    I enjoy “ The Gong show”

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    Game shows have been crooked since day 1.

    I can rattle off at least a dozen ‘fixes’ off the top of my head right now.
    With a little research you’d be startled to find out how many controversies are out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rm18 View Post
    It is probably poker player Ben Yu sneaking in the bets he is friends with Holzauer.

    Holzhauer was going to dabble in sports betting so it could be him betting on himself

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    Do you guys really think some people on these shows are this smart or simply have great memory?

    I always thought that maybe they give each contestant for that show or week a pamplet with thousands of questions for them to study, that might be asked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bostongambler View Post
    I enjoy “ The Gong show”
    Chuck Barris doing lines of coke at the 2:16 mark





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    Quote Originally Posted by Hman View Post
    Holzhauer was going to dabble in sports betting so it could be him betting on himself
    wouldn't have to be on himself

    if he knew who won, he'd just bet on the winner. but of course just his one bet wouldn't be enough with the limits.

    it would have to be thousands of separate bets from different people. I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility that Holzauer and friends could create a network of people to band together to do that, or even to just let a network of people in on the result just to benefit their friends or "network"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hman View Post
    Holzhauer was going to dabble in sports betting so it could be him betting on himself
    I can't believe he'd be that lame.

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    Lol.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    Chuck Barris doing lines of coke at the 2:16 mark




    Hahahaha....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chi_archie View Post
    wouldn't have to be on himself

    if he knew who won, he'd just bet on the winner. but of course just his one bet wouldn't be enough with the limits.

    it would have to be thousands of separate bets from different people. I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility that Holzauer and friends could create a network of people to band together to do that, or even to just let a network of people in on the result just to benefit their friends or "network"


    True, I don't know what I was thinking

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hman View Post
    Do you guys really think some people on these shows are this smart or simply have great memory?

    I always thought that maybe they give each contestant for that show or week a pamplet with thousands of questions for them to study, that might be asked.
    I know a few people that have either been on the show or passed the written test to get on and went to the interview/trial process.

    no you don't get a study guide.

    of course it's memory/recall. These are just facts, names, numbers, places ect. its not processing or problem solving. But to accumulate the sheer volume and breadth of information that would be required to even get passed the written test, you have to have an intellectual curiousity that is only found in super intelligent and sharp people.

    Beyond that, it really is a HUGE advantage to have the ability to react and hit the clicker fastest, and have ability to hear end of question and click simultaneously and then process and recall the needed information in the 1-2 seconds between being called on and finishing.... what is....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bostongambler View Post
    I enjoy “ The Gong show”
    Gong show was great back in the day

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    Quote Originally Posted by pimike View Post
    Gong show was great back in the day
    And at night.

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    this is similar to when 5dimes takes WWE bets. there are writers and workers who know the outcomes who could bet everything once they know the "official" plan for the PPV.

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    I usually don't bet on these but I remember betting on the Grammy's Album Of The Year for 2013. That was the year Macklemore had that awful "Poppin Tags" song that everybody loved for some reason. The album that was an overwhelming favorite to win Album Of The Year. I didn't know what people were thinking but I was pretty sure they were basing the bets on that one song. So I put my money (max of $50) on Daft Punk's "Random Access Memories because it was actually a good ALBUM and not just a good song. Sure enough, it won Album Of The Year! When there is a max of $50 on a bet, there is a large percentage of those bettors moving the line with terrible insight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chi_archie View Post
    I know a few people that have either been on the show or passed the written test to get on and went to the interview/trial process.

    no you don't get a study guide.

    of course it's memory/recall. These are just facts, names, numbers, places ect. its not processing or problem solving. But to accumulate the sheer volume and breadth of information that would be required to even get passed the written test, you have to have an intellectual curiousity that is only found in super intelligent and sharp people.

    Beyond that, it really is a HUGE advantage to have the ability to react and hit the clicker fastest, and have ability to hear end of question and click simultaneously and then process and recall the needed information in the 1-2 seconds between being called on and finishing.... what is....
    This is a sterling and accurate description of a top level "Jeopardy!" contestant. We're all a little bit smarter because of it and I, for one, salute you, Archie!

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    Jennings wins it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axman3000 View Post
    I usually don't bet on these but I remember betting on the Grammy's Album Of The Year for 2013. That was the year Macklemore had that awful "Poppin Tags" song that everybody loved for some reason. The album that was an overwhelming favorite to win Album Of The Year. I didn't know what people were thinking but I was pretty sure they were basing the bets on that one song. So I put my money (max of $50) on Daft Punk's "Random Access Memories because it was actually a good ALBUM and not just a good song. Sure enough, it won Album Of The Year! When there is a max of $50 on a bet, there is a large percentage of those bettors moving the line with terrible insight.
    American Idol is/was another suspicious example.
    Two major factors played.

    1) There were tens of thousands of computer generated robocalls on some contestants.

    Taylor Hicks (who had no business winning season 5 (Katharine McPhee was way more talented, and easier on the eyes) won because Hicks benefited from his fan base (largely women who made up a large percentage of the viewership) who voted in humungous blocks.

    2) The judges influences.
    Taylor Hicks was the exception here, Simon Cowell hated Taylor Hicks, made it known in every round and even at his audition.
    Even though Simon went out of his way to sway votes away from Hicks he still won due to reasons I explained.
    (I know this because my wife was one of those over the top 'Soul Patrol' Hicks fanatics.)
    American Idol, season 4.
    Finals were Carrie Underwood vs. Bo Bice
    I was (and still am) in love with Carrie Underwood (no, not like that lol) because of her vocals, girl next door persona, etc. etc....
    Bice was on track to win, I believe (I can't prove this though) Carrie won due to Simon's influence.
    It's not so much he disliked Bo Bice, Simon made it known his clear choice was Carrie.
    Finalist day, 5Dimes had Bice (I think it was -130) favorite, and during the course of the day Bice was getting bet up and up even though Underwood was the only contestant that season never making it to the bottom 3 at any time.
    The max at Dimes was 50 dollars, and I finally bought Carrie at +180 2 hours before the live airing.
    Underwood won going away I still believe with the help of Simon.

    Last example.
    American Idol season 10.
    Final three were Haley Reinhart, Lauren Alaina, and Scotty McCreery.
    Haley was loved by judge Steven Tyler (and me) but really hated by J-Lo.
    Lopez made it known she didn't care for Reinhart.
    Lauren Alaina was severely outclassed by Haley and Scotty.
    McCreery (who did the Wild Card halftime show last week) won with the help of Lopez's hatred for Haley and the women voters voting en masse for Scotty.
    Reinhart finished third, Lauren (which is a travesty) second, and McCreery (who's a pretty good vocalist) winning,

    Only two winners (Underwood and Kelly Clarkson) are making a ton of money, most are playing small clubs now.
    Jennifer Hudson (a non winner) is having a great career singing and acting.

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    I have no inside info on this at all, but I would put money on Brad Rutter. Rutter is an all-time trivia guy -- it's what he does. The other two guys are propped up by public opinion. They are much better at the game of Jeopardy! than at trivia itself. Jennings has absolutely zero chance, he's not in the same league as the other two guys.

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    limits were peanuts

    no story

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    Rutter beat Jennings every time they faced off in tournament of champions special events. The only time Jennings finished ahead of Rutter was when they played against Watson but Watson crushed them both anyway

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    of course I'm rooting for the gambler, but I think Rutter wins it

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post

    no story
    It is a story, "Jeopardy" was supposed to be the game show about integrity, the game show to save all game shows so to speak.
    Art Fleming said when Alex took over though the show started to go to hell.

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    It’s not a gambling story
    Micro limits

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    I aced the 80’s category

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    Nobody missed a clue in the first round.
    Amazing, and those Shakespeare clues were tough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chi_archie View Post
    I know the winner and the winner of this year's puppy bowl
    Free money..

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    pretty exciting so far 1 win for james 1 win for jennings so far 0 for brad rutter

    like how they are playing 2 games total score to determine winner of each game


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    Rutter is overmatched. How did he ever beat Jennings head to head?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGuesser View Post
    Rutter is overmatched. How did he ever beat Jennings head to head?
    He thinks he is the best, says he is the best, and had Kens backing.

    Its like the Niners this year. Did whole m anyone actually penetrating watch the two?

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