[MalikHusam]

Good question.

If Derailer came to SBR complaining a book would not pay him due to multi accounting, SBR would ask the book for proof of that.

Especially if it was to rescind a prize after the result was known and when the book had plenty of time to detect this in advance.

If he is so clever SBR can't come up with the same level of evidence a book would be asked for, it would be super hypocritical to not pay the guy.

if 5dimes Tony catches him multiaccounting to gain an unfair edge he is lucky to get his deposit refunded

similarly

correct solution was to refund $300 to the three accounts that were sharing picks strip them of SBR PRO status and the BTP winnings

[mpaschal34]

How about a 1000 point entry fee to keep out some of the multi-accounts next year?

[pavyracer]

It's always one guy that ruins the fan for everyone. Years ago trixtrix stole thousands of points from SBR Sportsbook and everyone said no big deal..pay him the points and nothing will happen. What happened is the prize of pizza went up 4X in 8 years. The point is if someone scams SBR the prize to be paid is by all the Pros who see the prices at the SBR Store keep rising to make the program affordable. So you have to be vigilant when you see fraud and don't reward the frauds. We are all paying for their winnings one way or the other. Your Pro membership is devalued when frauds are rewarded.

[brooks85]

if 5dimes Tony catches him multiaccounting to gain an unfair edge he is lucky to get his deposit refunded

similarly

correct solution was to refund $300 to the three accounts that were sharing picks strip them of SBR PRO status and the BTP winnings

bingo

[shari91]

You can’t penalise people for sharing picks. Just like you can’t for when two or three at the top agree to not make anymore plays and chop the prizes amongst themselves. It’s probably bad sportsmanship and leaves a crappy taste in most people’s mouths but it isn’t fraud. SBR and especially Lou aren’t stupid... things will be changed, updated, etc to do our best to prevent this happening ever again. But you can’t turn to someone and say well yeah you won but because you were making picks for more than one account you don’t get to cash. We don’t have rules against that - yet at least although that’d still be so subjective and hard to prove - so you can’t punish someone for finding a way through. Our downfall was that apparently one or more members of staff may have known this was a ghost account and despite our recent change of stance on letting banned accounts back, I think this highlights what the potential traps are when we second guess ourselves or ignore what’s right in front of our eyes. From my limited interactions through the years though I don’t for one second believe IAG had a moment of ill will or bad intentions. I do hope she at least gets half the cash though!!
Lessons learned. New year, new policies I’m sure!

[Auto Donk]

well put, Shari.... if there was no rule against what was done, there is no reason not to award the points/cash whatever....

[CarolinaDaze]

The initial account was restricted for being a troll and annoying other members, and some of the staff. Members are generally only perma-banned ("perma" in forumville is normally a year or two, depending the offense) for serious infractions. Derailer wasn't barred from future contests for having a handle previously.

Buffalo Nickle was banned on 7-17-17, he Re-Joined as R-40 (the next day) 7-18-17, after I figured that one out, R-40 was banned on 10-3-17, Derailer joined..... you guessed it 10-4-17.

Derailer would make up another Ghost Account (Danica Fantasica) using his sisters info, when he saw it was gonna cash by angle shooting with 3 different accounts in the Nascar Contest he got his sister to Go Pro. He would go on to ask his friend from across the street IAG if he could make picks under her name in a Nascar Contest & ultimately BTP.

IAG was unaware of the other 2 ghost accounts, But....she did admit across the street that she agreed to let BN make picks under her name as she felt he was banned here for no good reason. When she was caught assisting BN, she told him to come clean & clear her name. Sorry lady but you still a POS for helping the scammer in the first place and deserve NOTHING.

[TheMoneyShot]

Buffalo Nickle was banned on 7-17-17, he Re-Joined as R-40 (the next day) 7-18-17, after I figured that one out, R-40 was banned on 10-3-17, Derailer joined..... you guessed it 10-4-17.

Derailer would make up another Ghost Account (Danica Fantasica) using his sisters info, when he saw it was gonna cash by angle shooting with 3 different accounts in the Nascar Contest he got his sister to Go Pro. He would go on to ask his friend from across the street IAG if he could make picks under her name in a Nascar Contest & ultimately BTP.

IAG was unaware of the other 2 ghost accounts, But....she did admit across the street that she agreed to let BN make picks under her name as she felt he was banned here for no good reason. When she was caught assisting BN, she told him to come clean & clear her name. Sorry lady but you still a POS for helping the scammer in the first place and deserve NOTHING.

Solid post. Couldn't be spelled out anymore clearer.

[TheMoneyShot]

You can’t penalise people for sharing picks.

How do you share picks with yourself? Is it possible?

[gauchojake]

Guys who wants to join my BTP crew for 2019?????

[USCPHILLYGUY]

So this whole thing occurred over a nascar contest

[firedawg]

So this whole thing occurred over a nascar contest

Philly you been drinking?

[pavyracer]

You can’t penalise people for sharing picks. Just like you can’t for when two or three at the top agree to not make anymore plays and chop the prizes amongst themselves. It’s probably bad sportsmanship and leaves a crappy taste in most people’s mouths but it isn’t fraud. SBR and especially Lou aren’t stupid... things will be changed, updated, etc to do our best to prevent this happening ever again. But you can’t turn to someone and say well yeah you won but because you were making picks for more than one account you don’t get to cash. We don’t have rules against that - yet at least although that’d still be so subjective and hard to prove - so you can’t punish someone for finding a way through. Our downfall was that apparently one or more members of staff may have known this was a ghost account and despite our recent change of stance on letting banned accounts back, I think this highlights what the potential traps are when we second guess ourselves or ignore what’s right in front of our eyes. From my limited interactions through the years though I don’t for one second believe IAG had a moment of ill will or bad intentions. I do hope she at least gets half the cash though!!
Lessons learned. New year, new policies I’m sure!

So a guy who was banned 3 times already and was allowed to sign back the next day with a different name and has already entered one contest with 3 different accounts (his, his sister, and another random woman who she agreed to post his plays under her account) and he wins another contest with the identical accounts and you do not see anything wrong with this?

[big joe 1212]

Guys who wants to join my BTP crew for 2019?????

Apparently it’s just as easy to start your own crew with 10 ghosts

[franklee168]

Guys who wants to join my BTP crew for 2019?????

I'm in for sure. franklee169

[pavyracer]

Guys who wants to join my BTP crew for 2019?????

I'm in but can my sister, father-in-law, cousin and my landscaper join your crew? We don't want to miss any prizes. I'd tell them they have until week 10 to turn Pro.

[gauchojake]

OK so far we got BigJoe1213 and franklee169

We cashing next year boys!!!

[gauchojake]

pavy you are in

tell the whole fam!!

[USCPHILLYGUY]

Philly you been drinking?

I’m serious. I actually read the whole thread across the street. My interpretation of the events was that the guy was banned for being stiffed on a loan & contest, mods took the side of the poster so that started the chain of events for where he wanted to get whatever he could out of sbr.

Am i missing something

[shari91]

So a guy who was banned 3 times already and was allowed to sign back the next day with a different name and has already entered one contest with 3 different accounts (his, his sister, and another random woman who she agreed to post his plays under her account) and he wins another contest with the identical accounts and you do not see anything wrong with this?

Pavy, you’re much smarter than this. I didn’t say I didn’t see anything wrong with it. In fact I probably was a shithead by acknowledging publicly that a coworker/s maybe dropped the ball here. But again: you can go tell every one of your family members OUTSIDE of your home to sign up for a contest at a book and feed them plays all day long.

Other than John’s Xmas pardons or when a staff member has reacted emotionally, I never believe anyone should be unbanned. You were shitcanned for a reason and I trust my colleagues on that! On the other hand you get glimpses of people let back who really add value to our forum so hopefully that lasts. Catch 22 I suppose.

headed to the beach now but just please trust we’re not proud of what’s resulted here but I at least am content with how it’s been handled. Never bloody again though. I promise you that.

[RudyRuetigger]

hang on a second

this person was repeatedly banned

noone let them back in, they created accounts the next day

[firedawg]

hang on a second

this person was repeatedly banned

noone let them back in, they created accounts the next day

Yes
It appears

[firedawg]

I don't play contest so I have no dog in this fight


Gl

[RudyRuetigger]

hang on a second

this person was repeatedly banned

noone let them back in, they created accounts the next day

and while optional may or may not have known, it doesnt matter

the account repeatedly made new ones

if he spoke up...new accounts wouldve been created

infact, its a good thing he didnt speak up so this could be brought forth by dazer

[pavyracer]

The fact that someone can create a new a account the day after he is banned regardless of whether he is playing at contests or not is more troublesome to me. I thought SBR had tools to prevent ghosting.

[Auto Donk]

this little ditty from iag across the street, however, should get both iag and derailer/buff nick/dannica whatever banned, as she clearly states he used her acct, and she allowed him to use said acct for such purpose, to have multiple teams in nascar. she admits it, and even acknowledges anything she won she sent directly to him, 100 percent:

[shari91]

The fact that someone can create a new a account the day after he is banned regardless of whether he is playing at contests or not is more troublesome to me. I thought SBR had tools to prevent ghosting.

We have many. As does every major government organisation in every country with a gazillion dollars and however many staff members yet they too still get stooged from time to time. We are doing the best we can to prevent this from happening outside any contest but there isn’t an infallible system. At least not yet that anyone’s come up with. We’ll keep doing our best though!

[jts1207]

Rudy and Fire have been exposed as 2 faced losers. Go across the street and read the AIG threads. The reason I don't put up with their trash talking. Bad look for SBR......how many times do clowns need banned from here to stay banned

[jts1207]

We have many. As does every major government organisation in every country with a gazillion dollars and however many staff members yet they too still get stooged from time to time. We are doing the best we can to prevent this from happening outside any contest but there isn’t an infallible system. At least not yet that anyone’s come up with. We’ll keep doing our best though!

Take the poster trash out Shari!

[firedawg]

Take the poster trash out Shari!

this guy a slow learner

thanks for the 3000 points Shar Bear


keep trolllin lill fella

[firedawg]

Rudy and Fire have been exposed as 2 faced losers. Go across the street and read the AIG threads. The reason I don't put up with their trash talking. Bad look for SBR......how many times do clowns need banned from here to stay banned

what a lunatic

[jts1207]

Buried. Comical actually.

[jts1207]

this guy a slow learner

thanks for the 3000 points Shar Bear


keep trolllin lill fella

Lill fella? Be no problem whipping your welfare living pos ass lmao

[firedawg]

Buried. Comical actually.

wow
you get out of jail and immediately ask for more

hardcore BIEBS

[jts1207]

wow
you get out of jail and immediately ask for more

hardcore BIEBS

You're in the saloon pal.

Just exposing you....what's your name now across the street? Big Bully? Gimme a fn break