[The Kraken]

So I attended a "Social Security Works" rally yesterday in downtown Seattle and the guest speaker was going to be Bernie Sanders, who had another rally planned for later in the evening on the UW campus.

Well, right before Sanders is going to talk, the mic and stage get hijacked by #BlackLivesMatter activists

The event coordiantors actually let them speak.

Of course, seeing as no one came to hear them speak, the crowd booed them and all I could hear was that "They're hurting their own cause"

The activists demanded 4:30 of silence from the crowd, which was in the thousands...

AND THEY FUKKING GOT IT! With many white people holding up their fists to show support

After the time was up, they called out Bernie Sanders to "hold him accountable"

Bernie ended up leaving without speaking.

So many white people were pissed. Somebyelling profanities and saying "your people caused this" to other black people in the crowd.

There were no fights though, astonishingly.

I wouldn't be suprised if the GOP sent them over.

Just makes very little sense.

But #BlackLivesDoMatter

[The Kraken]

Black Lives Matter interrupted the planned speech for Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders at Westlake Park on Saturday afternoon. Thousands cheered him at an evening political rally.

By Jim Brunner
Seattle Times political reporter
A Seattle speech by Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders was pre-empted in a chaotic confrontation Saturday afternoon with a pair of Black Lives Matter protesters, who took the stage and refused to let him speak.

The Vermont senator, who has drawn huge crowds around the country, was to be the star attraction and final speaker for a rally at Westlake Park to celebrate the 80th birthday of Social Security and the success of other anti-poverty programs.

But his afternoon plans were scuttled by protesters determined to turn attention instead to Sunday’s anniversary of the shooting by a white police officer of Michael Brown, an unarmed black man in Ferguson, Mo.


Later in the evening, Sanders received the reception he’d expected from the Seattle area as the progressive alternative to Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Rodham Clinton.

An estimated 15,000 supporters packed Hec Edmundson Pavilion and an overflow area as Sanders took the stage to thunderous applause and delivered an hourlong populist stemwinder about his plans to wrest the country from the control of billionaires.

As the crowd stomped and cheered, Sanders pledged to fight for a full menu of progressive policies, including 12 weeks of paid leave for new parents, a federal minimum wage of $15 an hour, and an end to unequal pay for women.

“This is not utopian dreaming,” Sanders said. “This is the country we can create if we are prepared to stand together.”

At Westlake, Sanders was just starting to address the crowd, thanking Seattle for being “one of the most progressive cities in the United States of America.”

That’s as far as he got before two women walked onstage and grabbed the microphone.

“If you do not listen … your event will be shut down,” one of the protesters told organizers, who offered to let them speak after Sanders. After a back and forth with the screaming protesters, organizers relented and said the demonstrators could go first.

Some in the largely white audience booed and chanted for protesters to let the senator talk. A few yelled for police to make arrests.


Marissa Johnson, one of the protesters, shot back, “I was going to tell Bernie how racist this city is, filled with its progressives, but you did it for me,” accusing the audience of “white supremacist liberalism.” She cited Seattle’s own police problems, including an ongoing Justice Department consent decree over use of force.


The activists demanded 4½ minutes of silence in memory of Brown, to symbolize the 4½ hours his body lay on a Ferguson street. While rally organizers raised their hands in support, some in the crowd yelled profanities.

After the few minutes of silence, the protesters said they wanted to confront Sanders for failing to address their concerns when he was similarly interrupted at a town hall for liberal activists in Phoenix last month. Johnson beckoned Sanders to stand closer as she spoke — he refused.


The Westlake protesters would not let Sanders take the microphone, prompting rally organizer Robby Stern to say the event was over because the demonstrators were determined to stop it.

Sanders left the stage and walked through the crowd, greeting supporters, before leaving in a white Jeep for a fundraiser at the Comet Tavern on Capitol Hill.

At the Comet, reporters were barred, but Sanders could be heard by a crowd watching outside through open windows.

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/black-lives-matter-protesters-shut-down-bernie-sanders-rally/

[The Kraken]

I'm conflicted, on one hand, i understand. Everyday they face racial and economic inequalities. Police admittedly target them and are caught in emails and on recordings calling them "n1gg3rs" and openly talking about targeting them.

on the other hand, i think to get reapect you have to show respect and they're demanding respect yet just dispre ted a US Senator publicily.

[ByeShea]

Duh ... #blacklivesmatter = on Hillary's payroll

Socialism has no shortage of idiots to work with, that's for sure.

[OldschoolGambler]

Minor correction "useful idiots"

[ByeShea]

Minor correction "useful idiots"

Yup, that.

And more:""" When the crowd asked the activists to allow Sanders to speak, one activist called the crowd “white supremacist liberals,” according to event participants. """


That's when Kraken looked down at his feet with a sad face. Nice rally.

[The Kraken]

that was krakken me up, no doubt

she had so much attitude

But she was courageous. White people are not used to black people being in control and especially black women and when confronted with the situation, we tend to get uncomfortable at best but usually defensive.

She displayed bravery by not giving up her space.

Unfortunately, it was at a Dem event and not a GOP event.

As a side note, King County, which houses Seattle, Is the whitest county in the US amongst the 20 moat populated counties, according to the census bureau

maybe we are racist

[Carseller4]

Black lives matter?

[The Kraken]

Black lives matter?

Unfortunatey, not to everyone, and then even when they do matter, it's not as much.

Maybe she was right by getting up there

it's hard for me to say because I can only see this from a white mans perspective. I don't know

[The Kraken]

Duh ... #blacklivesmatter = on Hillary's payroll

Socialism has no shortage of idiots to work with, that's for sure.

Good point about Hillary, I could see her sending them over as well to disrupt. Bernie Sanders is her biggest competition next year. She'll steamroll whoever comes out of the GOP

[brooks85]

So I attended a "Social Security Works" rally yesterday in downtown Seattle and the guest speaker was going to be Bernie Sanders, who had another rally planned for later in the evening on the UW campus.

Well, right before Sanders is going to talk, the mic and stage get hijacked by #BlackLivesMatter activists

lol yeah and government's create jobs

social security works haha, never heard of that before but certainly belongs in the oxymoron category of phrases; social security certainly does something but "works?" lol... no

[rkelly110]

To me, actions speak louder than words.

To have black lives matter people get up and disrupt a Dem rally is telling me they want more handouts.

EVERY race other than blacks who has come to this country has picked themselves up and made something of
themselves. Every race hates the blacks, because our country has bent over backwards trying to appease these people.

Our own president has used affirmative action, yet many would rather go to the club, hang out in their gangs and
destroy their own neighborhoods.

When their actions show everyone they can be civilized, maybe things will change. Until then, their words don't mean shit.

[The Kraken]

Whats the solution Brooks?

For a large part of minorities, it's their sole source of income. Poverty would triple by next month for African Americans ifnot for SS

What about for people like you ande Brooks? We're fukking vested pal. Been paying into it our entire working lives. For all you put in, you don't want it there to supplement your lifestyle after retirement?

It's currently fully funded through 2035, which at that point, even if it wasn't fully funded, disteibutions would simply be cut, not stopped.

I'm fighting for it because I have no other choice. Would I have loved to have had that money and invested where I saw fit instead of into the Iraq war? Damn skippy but I wasn't afforded that oppotunity. I don't have the luxury to dream "what if".

I don't even mind that welfare falls under the SS umbrella but Brooks we're all in the same boat to some degree.

Thankfully I will never be dependent upon SS as it won't make up even 25% of my retirement portfolio as I have a fully funded state pension, real estate, Roth 403b but it's a defined benefit that we've all been paying into for a long time and as a benefit, I have the right to expect it to benefit me at some point.

[The Kraken]

To me, actions speak louder than words.

To have black lives matter people get up and disrupt a Dem rally is telling me they want more handouts.

EVERY race other than blacks who has come to this country has picked themselves up and made something of
themselves. Every race hates the blacks, because our country has bent over backwards trying to appease these people.

Our own president has used affirmative action, yet many would rather go to the club, hang out in their gangs and
destroy their own neighborhoods.

When their actions show everyone they can be civilized, maybe things will change. Until then, their words don't mean shit.

Spoken like a middle aged white American male.

You're well thoughtout and I always read your posts with interest but this one I think you're off target. And I think a lot of people agree with you.

I know you understand that blacks have been racially profiled for centuries in America, segregation and slavery weren't that long ago, blacks hanging from ropes weren't that long ago, blacks being choked to death and shot is currently going on, and racial and economic inequalities exist today that are astounding in #'s.

Cops continue to racially target young, black youth who end up in a privatized prison system that profits immensely off their being incarcerated. Then these kids have records and it's already harder for a young black male to get a job than a young white male, try being young, black and having a record.

Then you find out the cop that arrested you was recently found out to be sending emails and texts referring to blacks as "n1gg3rs" and openly referring to targeting them.

The chicken or the egg, Rkelly?

Instituional reform has to take place before we will see true euqality because right now it's the instituion that is promoting inequality.

It's hard as a white person to see it from any other perspective. We have that white privilege Dwight, like it or not.

[brooks85]

Whats the solution Brooks?

For a large part of minorities, it's their sole source of income. Poverty would triple by next month for African Americans ifnot for SS

What about for people like you ande Brooks? We're fukking vested pal. Been paying into it our entire working lives. For all you put in, you don't want it there to supplement your lifestyle after retirement?

It's currently fully funded through 2035, which at that point, even if it wasn't fully funded, disteibutions would simply be cut, not stopped.

I'm fighting for it because I have no other choice. Would I have loved to have had that money and invested where I saw fit instead of into the Iraq war? Damn skippy but I wasn't afforded that oppotunity. I don't have the luxury to dream "what if".

I don't even mind that welfare falls under the SS umbrella but Brooks we're all in the same boat to some degree.

Thankfully I will never be dependent upon SS as it won't make up even 25% of my retirement portfolio as I have a fully funded state pension, real estate, Roth 403b but it's a defined benefit that we've all been paying into for a long time and as a benefit, I have the right to expect it to benefit me at some point.

That is easy part thanks to science and evolution, what happens when something isn't working? Cut it out and start over. Same can be said for nearly every department of the government with the Department of Education the shining example of failure. Now the fall out won't be easy to handle but that is life, revolution's and civil war's happen. A wonderful certainty in life, beautiful thing really. A flat tax could avoid all that but I'm not holding my breathe for something that actually makes mathematical sense to actually be enacted.

I have been paying in, bare minimum too because I know I won't get but half(if I'm lucky).

[blackHIPPY]

why do I click these threads

[brooks85]

why do I click these threads

the same reason you think black culture's problem is everyone's fault but your own; you're gullible.

[The Kraken]

I'm not sure of your situation but if you are employed, your employer has been paying in on your behalf as well and that's a defined benefit that, yes, you are entitled to.

I can't agree with the rest of your post. I don't think Science advocates for civil wars. You're talking about millons dying, kids suffering, disability rate skyrocketing due to injuries. That's everything science fights to make better, not worse.

Should SS and medicare/medicaid have been scrapped 50 and 80 years ago? Maybe, even probably so. But it wasn't.

Killing everyone isn't worth scrapping it.

We can start by getting rid of the $118k cap on SS. Intersting, I make close to $118k/year and pay SS on 100% of my wages. The CEO of some company that he runs into the ground and gets paid $10,000,000 to do it, pays the exact same amount as I do.

Now thats fukked up

[blackHIPPY]

the same reason you think black culture's problem is everyone's fault but your own; you're gullible.

I never said that.
i think whites enjoy their white privilege but get very uncomfortable/defensive when it's shoved in their face.
do you think whites played a role in the struggles blacks face today? Yes or no.

[brooks85]

I never said that.
i think whites enjoy their white privilege but get very uncomfortable/defensive when it's shoved in their face.
do you think whites played a role in the struggles blacks face today? Yes or no.

Well, you never said it and I am being sarcastic, if you really don't believe that then go ahead and consider me an ass for assuming wrong.



Of course, white people played a role in the enslavement of black people; Ronald Reagan administration, War on Drugs, FAFSA lending standards on minor drug offense.

[The Kraken]

I'll answer that for him as it's not up for debate or an opinon.

The answer is yes, it's a fact.

Rkelly alluded to the idea that every other race has picked themselves up by the bootstraps, that every other race hates blacks.That we have bent over backwards for blacks and they do 't make the situation better.

But lets not forget, long before America, black people were slaves in Europe. And who do you think occupied these lands we live upon today? Europeans. Of course when all the Euro's got got here, they had slaves sent over. Black people in America have NEVER been on level ground. Never gotten proper, equal treatment. Even when America became America and we distanced ourselves from Europe, we didn't end slavery nor segregation. And it persists today.

As for other races, look what we're doing to Mexicans right now, our treatment towards them, "Lets build a wall" we're so scared as whites to give up control and power over other races. Mexicans are fighting the same fight as black people are.

Look how middle easternen are treated in America, they're fawking terrorist. They're targeted by the TSA or in otherwords, the US government.

Don't tell me every other race or ethnicity has picked themselves up and moved forward because that's both incorrect and BS.

The common denominator is that we continue to oppress every other race, ethnicity and culture

[GunShard]

If people came there to watch Bernie Sanders then Bernie Sanders was first in line.
It's like if Bernie Sanders was waiting in line for a roller coaster ride and then these random protesters cut in line to the front of the line.
Supporting these protesters would mean you support cutting in line at roller coaster rides lines, grocery stores lines and movie theater lines. Disrespectful and wrong.
If Bernie Sanders set up a event schedule then these protesters should set up a black lives matter event schedule as well on a different day.

[brooks85]

I'll answer that for him as it's not up for debate or an opinon.

The answer is yes, it's a fact.

Rkelly alluded to the idea that every other race has picked themselves up by the bootstraps, that every other race hates blacks.That we have bent over backwards for blacks and they do 't make the situation better.

But lets not forget, long before America, black people were slaves in Europe. And who do you think occupied these lands we live upon today? Europeans. Of course when all the Euro's got got here, they had slaves sent over. Black people in America have NEVER been on level ground.

As for other races, look what we're doing to Mexicans right now, our treatment towards them, "Lets build a wall" we're so scared as whites to give up control and power over other races. Mexicans are fighting the same fight as black people are.

Look how middle easternen are treated in America, they're fawking terrorist. They're targeted by the TSA or in otherwords, the US government.

Don't tell me every other race or ethnicity has picked themselves up and moved forward because that's both incorrect and BS.

The common denominator is that we continue to oppress every other race, ethnicity and culture

you skipped a few chapters in the history book apparently..


your logic is not why white people are culpable, if you follow your logic Black people are culpable for slavery; which is correct.


ps.. they are remaking ROOTS, to anyone that is easily influenced by fairytales do not watch it...

for anyone who enjoys a good laugh at perfectly time propaganda like myself then tune in.

[The Kraken]

If people came there to watch Bernie Sanders then Bernie Sanders was first in line.
It's like if Bernie Sanders was waiting in line for a roller coaster ride and then these random protesters cut in line to the front of the line.
Supporting these protesters would mean you support cutting in line at roller coaster rides lines, grocery stores lines and movie theater lines. Disrespectful and wrong.
If Bernie Sanders set up a event schedule then these protesters should set up a black lives matter event schedule as well on a different day.

I mentioned in my first post that I was conflicted and the point you bring up is the confliction. But make no mistake, what they did yesterday doesn't equal what has happened to them over the years.

So I didn't get to hear Bernie speak, I already knew what he was going to say anyways. I still would have liked to have heard him though.

Guess what, Bernie gave a speech later last night at another rally in front of 15k and the theme? That black lives matter. There were no protestors or activists last night but every single one of his pre-speakers mentioned "Black Lives Matter" and so did he.

He was saying "I hear you and yes, you do matter"

And that's democracy.

White people have done plenty of this stuff over the years. Just ask anyone here old enough to have lived through 60's, shutting down cities with protests.

[The Kraken]

you skipped a few chapters apparently..


your logic is not why white people are culpable, if you follow your logic Black people are culpable for slavery; which is correct.


ps.. they are remaking ROOTS, to anyone that is easily influenced by fairytales do not watch it...

for anyone who enjoys a good laugh at perfectly time propaganda like myself then tune in.

Brooks it could have ended at any time but it didn't and now we're faced with a race that's been ignored and oppressed for centuries. So black people in Africa sold black people in Africa to Europeans made it completely alright for the Europeans to own other humans? Degrade them?

This isn't propaganda, it's just modern day America.

The history of slavery is well known, regardless of where it started, America was the land of the free. A clean slate. But not really, not if you black. It was more of the same

[rkelly110]

Spoken like a middle aged white American male.

You're well thoughtout and I always read your posts with interest but this one I think you're off target. And I think a lot of people agree with you.

I know you understand that blacks have been racially profiled for centuries in America, segregation and slavery weren't that long ago, blacks hanging from ropes weren't that long ago, blacks being choked to death and shot is currently going on, and racial and economic inequalities exist today that are astounding in #'s.

Cops continue to racially target young, black youth who end up in a privatized prison system that profits immensely off their being incarcerated. Then these kids have records and it's already harder for a young black male to get a job than a young white male, try being young, black and having a record.

Then you find out the cop that arrested you was recently found out to be sending emails and texts referring to blacks as "n1gg3rs" and openly referring to targeting them.

The chicken or the egg, Rkelly?

Instituional reform has to take place before we will see true euqality because right now it's the instituion that is promoting inequality.

It's hard as a white person to see it from any other perspective. We have that white privilege Dwight, like it or not.

Yes, you are correct in a lot of what you say, but just look around at what the black man has accomplished in the
short 50 years since LBJ has enacted the civil rights laws. Black congressmen and women. Black mayors, governors
city council members and to the top office in the land. Black music is the choice of our youth.

Until we aren't afraid to just walk down the street minding our own business w/o being mugged or beaten 1/2
to death by a pack of something straight out of the jungle, I'll stand by my statements of actions speak louder
than words.

[The Kraken]

And I'll agree with you that "actions speak louder than words"

Sometimes though, they overlap, like yesterday. The action was getting up there and demanding to be heard. The words were being heard.

Guess what, Bernie heard them. It was the main theme of his later rally.

I don't argue with you that there are black people that hurt their own cause but every race has those people.

until young, black youth can be put to work instead of put in jail, these problems persist.

And lets not ignore the many black people that do swim upstream to beat the odds. There are plenty of examples in todays society. We have black doctors, attorneys, nurses, policemen, tade workers etc... But their #'s are low even when adjusted

There is progress but more to be made

[brooks85]

Brooks it could have ended at any time but it didn't and now we're faced with a race that's been ignored and oppressed for centuries. So black people in Africa sold black people in Africa to Europeans made it completely alright for the Europeans to own other humans? Degrade them?

This isn't propaganda, it's just modern day America.

The history of slavery is well known, regardless of where it started, America was the land of the free. A clean slate. But not really, not if you black. It was more of the same

yes, at the time. When tribes in Africa would go to war they would often take slaves from the other side then Europeans came and the rest is history.


And ROOTS and blacklivesmatter is 100% propaganda. Blacklivesmatter is more of the same divisiveness used to mask the real problem which is a police state. Certainly not lost on whoever is paying to produce the reproduction of ROOTS, a proven BS story by many experts.

[The Kraken]

Police state, now we have common ground.

And that affects everyone, regardless of race. However, not everyone equally at the local level.

On a bigger scale, we're all affected by the ever expanding scoap of the NSA, FBI, CIA, police, military etc...

[innovation]

I want to know the logic of blaming others that black lives matter.

if these people were intelligent enough to gather the data of the staggering high% of blacks killing other blacks. They would be better served to take this message to Baltimore or any high death rate area of minorities.


remember this tweet?
"In the 513 days between Trayvon dying, and today’s verdict, 11,106 African-Americans have been murdered by other African-Americans."


I just dont understand how they think they are addressing the issues by crying foul at others

[scumbag]

you guys know me. i'm the biggest champion of the blacks around.

in this case, and some others, "black lives matter" is doing a great job of making rational people think they're penetrating morons.

if these idiots actually cared about black lives they'd march 20k deep on a police station with their middle fingers in the air.

you know... actually take the fight to the assholes who are oppressing you. that is a movement people can respect.

great job at convincing your only allies - white liberals - that you're complete assholes.

blacks lives matter is either shilling for hillary or the dumbest group of people ever assembled.

[THE_LOCKSMITH]

[brooks85]

you guys know me. i'm the biggest champion of the blacks around.

in this case, and some others, "black lives matter" is doing a great job of making rational people think they're penetrating morons.

if these idiots actually cared about black lives they'd march 20k deep on a police station with their middle fingers in the air.

you know... actually take the fight to the assholes who are oppressing you. that is a movement people can respect.

great job at convincing your only allies - white liberals - that you're complete assholes.

blacks lives matter is either shilling for hillary or the dumbest group of people ever assembled.

lol someone ask him how many black friends he has

[The Kraken]

you guys know me. i'm the biggest champion of the blacks around.

in this case, and some others, "black lives matter" is doing a great job of making rational people think they're penetrating morons.

if these idiots actually cared about black lives they'd march 20k deep on a police station with their middle fingers in the air.

you know... actually take the fight to the assholes who are oppressing you. that is a movement people can respect.

great job at convincing your only allies - white liberals - that you're complete assholes.

blacks lives matter is either shilling for hillary or the dumbest group of people ever assembled.

I agree Scumbag, and I think your sentiments are echoed by many.

Why Bernie Sanders? Hasn't he been the biggest proponent of their cause all along, amongst the major candidates? Why shut him down?

But I think it's important to remember, yet hard to conceptualize, that we can't say what we would do if we were in their shoes, if white history and black history had been reversed.

It might be me and you up on that stage

Who knows

[VeggieDog]

If #blacklivesmatter, why are they killing each other at a horrific rate?