don't be so hard on yourself Poof 😴Originally Posted by sourtwist
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04-26-15 01:15 PM #36
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04-26-15 01:20 PM #37
Vegas is one of the biggest low class places you'll ever be it's not a real community all transients mainly lower class and uneducated people.
There are jobs but they're all minimum-wage type because it's not a real city
There's absolutely nothing to do here it's all based off indoor activities and casinos and it's a horrific sports town.
I would try places like Minneapolis, Chicago some of the cities in Texas, Wisconisn Boise Idaho etc.
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04-26-15 01:28 PM #38
Ive been wanting to visit Boise for ages. Originally Posted by jjgold
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04-26-15 05:18 PM #39
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04-26-15 05:24 PM #40
Anybody have experience living in st petersburg florida?
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04-26-15 05:36 PM #41
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04-26-15 05:43 PM #42
Originally Posted by Big Bear
If you did, you would know that there is nothing in Glendale and there are dogs everywhere here.
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04-26-15 06:12 PM #43
All the Family is in south PA. Pa sucks and Little River is about a 7 hr drive Originally Posted by Big Bear
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04-26-15 08:43 PM #44
what? Originally Posted by El Nino
If you did, you would know that there is nothing in Glendale and there are dogs everywhere here.
glendale is growing fast
how the hell would i know about dogs?
i lived in a shitty dorm
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04-26-15 11:22 PM #45
Glendale is a waste land. 30 min from anywhere good. It's why it was heavily criticized when they decided to build University of Phoenix Stadium and Westgate out there. It's why the Coyotes never have anyone at their games. It's a mixture of retirees, blacks, and illegals. As a matter of fact, you would fit right in. Originally Posted by Big Bear
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04-26-15 11:59 PM #46
Las Vegas is the place to be.
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04-27-15 12:03 AM #47
Stay out of Seattle bear, not many blacks here. You'd have trouble fitting in. I'm white and in the minority. I have seen two black people since I moved here.
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04-27-15 12:41 AM #48
Don't relocate to either Las Vegas or Arizona. Both places have rampant unemployment and most of the available jobs are minimum wage type jobs. Both Nevada and Arizona are in the top 7 in unemployment in this country. Nevada being a little higher unemployment. If you are looking for minimum wage jobs and can survive off of that, then either place is fine. If you want to make a little more, stay far away from both. I know a lot of people in Arizona who have been unemployed for over a year and are lucky to get a job interview once every 5 months or so. So be warned, these two states have too much unemployment.
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04-27-15 01:29 AM #49
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04-27-15 08:38 AM #50
i love seattle but if i lived in washington i think i would want to live outside of seattle ... maybe along the columbia river where the fishing is good. Originally Posted by The Kraken
i heard seattle is so expensive that if you make 100K a year there its really hard to afford a nice house near the city.
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04-27-15 08:54 PM #51
Canada
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05-01-15 01:16 PM #52
Originally Posted by jjgold
Minnesota too cold.
where can i find a house for under 200,000 with a lot of privacy and a bad ass pool?
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05-01-15 01:25 PM #53
why does everyone say Vegas is hard to find a job?
is it hard to get jobs at the casinos?
what about selling timeshare or working at the porsche dealership?
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05-01-15 01:33 PM #54
Gritter would know more about Vegas
Seems basic jobs and low pay..time share too competitive
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05-01-15 01:46 PM #55
Florida
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05-01-15 02:15 PM #56
I use to work in the Columbia Gorge. Hood River would be an awesome place to live, but more of a place to retire. Check into Bend, OR. Also, you aren't going to be Salmon fishing on a whim nor in that section of the Columbia. Sturgeon fishing is doable though. Property on the river is pretty damn expensive (Washington side). With all that being said, I grew up in this area and I have zero plans to return. Rains too much. The people are depressing. The economy is very vulnerable. Originally Posted by Big Bear
Utah gets a bad rap on a lot of fronts--Mormons, not a happening city if you are into clubs, etc., but the quality of living and the strength of the economy are as good as it gets.
GL, bear.
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05-01-15 02:20 PM #57
Bear you seem to be the type of guy who would want to live in a log cabin in Alaska. Get you a wireless card so you can still post on SBR. Hunt & fish for your food. Live off the land. May be a tough sell for Mrs Bear though.
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05-01-15 03:04 PM #58
Here ya go Bear..
This is right up your alley..
Live like a king for $1200 or less per month!
Thank me later!
The World's 7 Best Budget Destinations
If budget is a top concern, following are 7 destinations where you should be focusing your attention. You could live in each of these places on a budget of $1,200 per month or less. (Note, coincidentally, that that's the amount of the average Social Security payment.)
You could spend more, maybe much more, retired in these destinations, depending on the lifestyle you adopt and where, exactly, you choose to settle yourself. But, if you're in the market right now for a simple but comfortable retirement on a modest budget, here's where I'd suggest you shop:
#1: Cayo, Belize
Warm and welcoming, independent and private. Those four perhaps seemingly contradictory adjectives best describe both Belizeans and their country. Belize is also one of the safest countries in the world, despite what you may read about it. In some neighborhoods of Belize City, gang members and drug dealers do the things that gang members and drug dealers do, but those are small, contained areas. Outside Belize City, crime is nearly non-existent.
Belize was a colony of Britain until 1981, meaning the people here speak English. They also value their freedom, as it's relatively new.
In the nearly 30 years that I've been spending time in this country, I've joked that "the good news from Belize is no news from Belize." This is a sleepy Caribbean nation with but 330,000 people and three highways. On the other hand, little Belize offers a whole lot of what many retirees and investors are looking for--a chance to start over on sandy, sunny shores--and the country has built a reputation as a Caribbean holiday destination.
However, I favor the interior Cayo region with its Mayan ruins, caves, rivers, waterfalls, and rain forest, a frontier where self-sufficient communities are emerging and attracting like-minded folks interested in being "independent together," as a friend living in this part of the world describes it. This is also the most affordable part of the country; life here can cost half as much as out on the islands.
#2: Cebu, Philippines
The Philippine Islands lie about 800 kilometers off the southeast coast of China and to the north east of Borneo. Over 7,000 islands, originating from volcanic activity, form the archipelago, yet the total land mass is about the size of the state of Arizona. Only about 7% of the islands are larger than 1 square mile, and only one-third of the islands have names.
The reason to consider this island nation is its cost of living and of real estate. The Philippines is a popular destination among retired U.S. military, because the people are friendly, the health care is good, and a military pension buys a better-than-comfortable standard of living. As throughout Asia, foreign ownership of real estate is restricted, but you can buy a condo in your own name for full- or part-time use, retirement, and rental. The government seems to be on a path to relaxing foreign ownership restrictions.
I wouldn't recommend Manila. Too hot and too crowded. Instead, consider Cebu, which is protected by outer lying islands from the fierce typhoon winds that beat on some parts of these islands most years. Winter in Cebu (October through February) can be delightful; temperatures are about 75 degrees Fahrenheit and accompanied by gentle breezes.
Expats in Cebu come from all over the world, but the majority are from the United States, England, and Australia, plus a few from Germany, including good numbers of men aged 45 to their mid-60s who've come so their pensions will stretch much further than they would back home and, often, to restart their lives with new wives and new families.
#3: Cuenca, Ecuador
Lots of overseas retirement destinations tout the fact that they're just like the United States, that, retired there, you could settle in to familiar surroundings. You won't hear that about Ecuador. Each day you spend in this country, you know you're in a different and wonderful part of the planet.
Ecuador is also the world's best place to retire overseas on a budget and to live better for less. The cost of living is low, and the cost of real estate is near rock bottom for Latin America. The health care is high quality, honest, and inexpensive. Specifically, I would recommend Cuenca, Ecuador, a beautiful colonial city with a fresh, spring-like climate 12 months of the year and a large and growing expat community that is one of Latin America's most diverse and well-blended.
Perhaps the biggest draw to Cuenca is its cost of living, which is low in an absolute sense. The falling dollar has caused prices to go up sharply for overseas Americans in many countries where goods are priced in the local currency. This won't happen in Ecuador as long as the country continues to use the U.S. dollar as its currency. Real estate, too, is an absolute bargain. You can buy a small condo for less than $40,000. The city's premium location is the historic center; this is the area that should hold its value even in the face of market ups and downs. It's a recognized world treasure.
#4: Georgetown, Malaysia
Showing the bias of my perspective, I refer to Malaysia as Asia's Panama. That is to say, this country is a regional and a global hub, for trade, for business, and for cultures. The cost of living is affordable, though elsewhere in Asia (Thailand, Vietnam, China) can be cheaper. Kuala Lumpur (KL), Malaysia's capital, is clean, efficient, and well-functioning, with shopping, restaurants, and all the other trappings of a modern metropolis. It's also (again like Panama) an expat melting pot with big numbers of expats both from all over Asia and, to a lesser extent, the West.
Malaysia is more welcoming of foreigners than any other country in Asia. Its My Second Home program makes retiree residency easy to obtain, meaning you don't have to worry about regular "border runs," as many expats in this part of the world do. Because it is a former British colony, English is widely spoken, so you don't have to worry about trying to learn to speak Malay either.
Life is different here than in the West. When you go to your neighborhood shop, take your time and converse with the owner, ask about his family as he asks you about yours. By the second or third time you visit, you are recognized and waved to when you walk down the sidewalk. You may be invited to dinner or at least to share a cup of rich kopi.
In some Asian cities, it's easy for a foreigner to feel something akin to a walking wallet. Not in Malaysia. Foreigners pay the same prices as the locals. Health care is first-rate, public transportation is modern and efficient, and the tap water is safe to drink. Beautiful beaches are just a short drive or flight away, cool mountain retreats can be reached in less than an hour, and the thriving city-state of Singapore is easily accessible in a few hours by car, train, or bus or an hour by plane.
#5: Granada, Nicaragua
Nicaragua was once the breadbasket of Central America. Thanks to the first round of Sandinista rule and the confiscation of farmland in the name of "the people," that changed in the 1980s. The activities of the Sandinistas also created a stigma related to property rights in this country that remains. The country's current Sandinista President Daniel Ortega, however, hasn't done anything to infringe on anyone's property rights. Still, since Ortega's re-election in 2007, foreign investors have stayed away from this market. The tourist trade continues, though, as Nicaragua, one of the lowest-cost destinations in Central America, continues to attract more than its share of backpackers and surfers.
Geographically, Nicaragua is blessed, with two long coastlines and two big lakes, plus volcanoes, highlands, rain forest, and rivers. In this regard, it's got everything Costa Rica and Panama have got, all less discovered and developed and available for the adventurer and eco-traveler at bargain rates. Architecturally, too, Nicaragua is notable. Its two sister colonial cities, Granada and Leon, vie for the title of Oldest City in the Americas. Whichever story you believe (that the Spanish conquistadores settled first on the shores of Lake Nicaragua at Granada or, perhaps, a few months earlier in Old Leon), Nicaragua is the big winner, with impressive colonial-era churches, public buildings, and parks to her credit.
I recommend Granada as the top choice in this country for the would-be retiree, primarily because of the sizable population of foreign retirees who already call this city home (and will go out of their way to welcome you to their community).
Property values have fallen significantly in this country over the past several years, thanks to Ortega's re-election and then the global recession. As a result, you can buy a house on Nicaragua's Pacific coast for less than $100,000.
#6: Medellin, Colombia (outside El Poblado)
Years ago, I sat around a table in a just-opened restaurant in a little-known mountain town in Panama called Boquete with a group of investors and businesspeople, in the country, as I was, to scout opportunity. "I believe that the potential in this place for retirees is enormous," one of the gentlemen in the group (the one who had just invested in opening the restaurant where we were having dinner) theorized. "Right now, the opportunity here is for the investor and the speculator. Property prices are so under-valued. Apartments in Panama City are a screaming bargain on a global scale. Pacific beachfront, Caribbean, farmland, river-front, this country has it all, and it's all cheap.
"Panama is still misunderstood, suffering from a lingering case of bad press," my host for the evening continued. "When you say 'Panama' to an American today, he thinks: Noriega...drug cartels...CIA intrigue. It won't be too many years before those perceptions are flipped on their head. I predict that, five, seven years from now, when you say 'Panama' to the average American, he'll think: Retirement. Because that's what this country is gearing up to offer--a very appealing retirement option."
That was 1999. In August 2010, the AARP named Boquete, Panama, one of the top five places in the world to retire.
In 2011, I sat around a table in a just-opened restaurant in a little-known mountain town in Colombia called Medellin with a group of investors and businesspeople, in the country, as I was, to explore current opportunity. "Property values in this city are so under-valued," one of the gentlemen having dinner with me remarked. "I believe that apartment costs here are the lowest for any cosmopolitan city in the world on a per-square-meter basis. This is because Colombia, including Medellin, is still misunderstood. When you say 'Medellin' to the average American, he thinks: Drugs...gangs...Pablo Escobar. It's such a misperception. The current reality of this city is so far removed from all that."
My host for the evening had just toured me around central Medellin, taking me to see apartment buildings he was rehabbing, converting into rentals, including one in a neighborhood I'd not visited before. "Manhattan retro chic" might be the best way to describe it. Running off a carefully maintained, beautifully landscaped park, these few side-streets are lined with small colonial structures housing sushi restaurants, funky bars, contemporary art galleries, and vintage clothing and furniture shops. The last thing I felt was unsafe.
As in Panama years ago, the opportunity today in Medellin is for the investor and the speculator. Prices are an absolute, global bargain. Costs of getting in are low, and demand is expanding. Right now, in this city, you could buy almost anything and feel comfortable that you could make money from the purchase. And this is a market where you could buy even with very little capital, as little as $50,000.
The coming opportunity in Medellin is for the retiree. I predict that, five, seven years from now, when you say 'Medellin' to the average American, he'll think: Retirement. Because that's what this City of Eternal Springtime is on track to offer--a very appealing and competitive retirement option that right now is among the world's most affordable.
#7: Pedasi, Panama
Panama has been one of the world's most important crossroads since the days when pirates ruled these waters. You name it, it passes through Panama in some way at some time going somewhere. Largely as a result of its crossroads positioning but also thanks to its reputation worldwide as a top retirement, tax, and business haven, Panama is the fastest-growing market in the region and one of the fastest-growing countries in the world.
Panama's benefits are many, including First World health care at Third World prices and the world's gold standard program of special benefits for retirees (plus 14 resident **** options for the non-retiree). It's also one of the world's few remaining tax havens (meaning you can operate an online business here tax-free), and a U.S. dollar-based economy (meaning zero currency risk for dollar-holders).
Panama is a small country but offers many lifestyle options, some much more affordable than others. Panama City is over-priced and over-hyped. The farther from the capital city you travel, the lower the cost of living. Charming coastal Pedasi is about four hours from Panama City. That's the bad news (though the roads connecting the two are well-paved). The good news is that Pedasi offers the best of beachside living at a very competitive cost on a global scale.
Originally Posted by PAULYPOKER
You can live well -- even in luxury -- if you're willing to leave the US. Yes, it's a big move, but here are 5 places where a Social Security check goes a long way.
By Liz Weston
Easy living abroad
Retiring abroad isn't for everyone or even for most people. But the adventurous can find comfortable, even luxurious lifestyles in many places that cost them far less than what they would pay at home, said Kathleen Peddicord, the author of "How to Retire Overseas: Everything You Need to Know to Live Well (For Less) Abroad."
I asked Peddicord, who has written about living and retiring overseas for more than 25 years, to pick out five cities where a couple could retire comfortably on the typical U.S. Social Security check of $1,200 a month. Access to good medical care is a must, of course, and all five places on Peddicord's list offer it, as well as low crime rates and emerging communities of expatriates to help show you the ropes.
"You wouldn't be the first gringo in town, but (in most cases) you wouldn't be joining an established community of thousands," as in some other cities already discovered by expats, said Peddicord, the publisher of the Live and Invest Overseas group. "The places with the truly established and thriving expat communities are going to be more expensive."
People who are considering retiring abroad need to do their research, because countries vary dramatically in how welcoming they are to foreign nationals who want to become residents. Tax laws vary as well, and most Americans will want to buy health insurance -- either a local plan, which may cost less, or an international plan, which typically offers more flexible coverage. Peddicord said that in Panama, where her family of four lives, local or "in country" health plans cost as little as $100 a month but are not available to people over a certain age (usually early to mid-60s). An international plan with a $3,400 deductible might cost a 60-year-old about $180 a month.
Cuenca, Ecuador
Peddicord calls Cuenca "the most affordable place you'd want to live in Latin America." There may be cheaper locales, but in her view they're too far removed from the conveniences and amenities of a city.
Cuenca has the colonial charm of cobblestone streets and soaring cathedrals as well as a mild climate and plenty of cultural happenings. Ecuador uses the U.S. dollar as its currency, so you don't have to worry about disadvantageous exchange rates.
Peddicord has a friend who lives there for less than $1,200 a month, including $550 in rent and fees for a 2,600-square-foot apartment with a doorman and underground parking. If you're willing to make do without those amenities, Peddicord said, you could rent a smaller, 600-square-foot "local"-style apartment in an older building for $100 a month.
If you were to buy a home with cash -- say, from the sale of your current home -- you could live comfortably for $700 a month, including utilities, groceries and entertainment, Peddicord said. Hiring full-time household help would add about $200 to the bill.
Chiang Mai, Thailand
Thousands of expatriate Westerners have discovered the largest city in northern Thailand, where the cost of living is about half that of its better-known (and bigger) rival, Bangkok. Chiang Mai is in a river valley surrounded by mountains, with year-round daytime temperatures in the 80s and 90s.
A comfortable apartment costs about $400 a month, with $150 for utilities (including high-speed Internet, cable TV, telephone and electricity), $100 for groceries, $150 for full-time household help and $150 for entertainment, including eating out (people rave about the food and the variety of restaurants). Foreigners cannot own land, although they can own apartments and condos.
León, Nicaragua
Like Chiang Mai, León is its country's second-largest city. Like Cuenca, it boasts a large number of colonial-era homes, buildings and churches.
But it hasn't been discovered by expatriates the way nearby Granada has, Peddicord said, which means the cost of living is still low. She said a budget of $1,200 to $1,400 buys a comfortable lifestyle, including $500 to rent a higher-end home. Utilities, including phone, Internet and TV, cost $70, while your food budget would be about $360 and entertainment budget about $200. Full-time household help costs about $180.
León is a university city known for its bookstores, cafes and museums. Although it's inland, a beach is just 15 miles away. The climate is hot, but temperatures drop in the evenings.
Las Tablas, Panama
If you want oceanfront living, check out Las Tablas, which Peddicord said is a nice little beach town on the Pacific coast of the Azuero Peninsula.
Panama has significant advantages for expats, including the fact that it's a tax haven (even Americans can live there tax-free), the country encourages foreigners to settle there by making it easy to acquire residency, and its infrastructure is well-developed. Those advantages have led to an influx of foreigners that has helped drive up the cost of living in the nation's biggest city, Panama City, but Las Tablas is still relatively undiscovered.
"There's an emerging community of expats living here, and (Las Tablas has) all services and resources you'd need to live very comfortably," Peddicord said. "Your budget could be as little as $1,000 per month. . . . You can rent a little two-bedroom house within five minutes' walk of the beach for as little as $350 a month."
Utilities average $200 a month and food $300, while $80 is a reasonable entertainment budget. Full-time household help costs $150.
Penang, Malaysia
Peddicord called Malaysia the best option in Asia for full-time retirement living, because it's the only country in Asia that makes it easy for foreign retirees to gain full-time residency.
Income from foreign sources is tax-free, and foreigners are allowed to buy real estate (which isn't a given elsewhere). Malaysia is also determined to become a "first world" country by 2020, which means it's investing in infrastructure, including modern divided highways and convenient airports. Health care is considered good, with a thriving trade of "health tourists" who come to save money on surgical procedures and other treatments.
"This country is a melting pot and very international, with good infrastructure and great food," Peddicord said. But Penang is the cheaper of the two big expat centers (the other is Kuala Lumpur). About $1,200 a month "buys a comfortable life here," covering an $800 rental apartment and $100 each for food, utilities and entertainment, Peddicord said. Full-time household help would set you back about $130 a month.
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05-01-15 03:09 PM #59
How is Salt Lake City??
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05-01-15 03:14 PM #60
are REno (Poster from MW) and his computer programmer partner Fendy (creator of G.U.S.H.) still camping out in HorseShoe Bay/?
they also created gamblers exchange aka gamblers sexchange. Reno was an epic arb bettoer inthe 80s with his rickety bike
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05-01-15 03:28 PM #61
I have been to Boise, ID a few times and it is awesome! Definitely a place to think about if your good with small town. I was there for work and only for a week at a time so not sure what living there is like but the locals all loved it. Like a lot of smaller towns that are becoming popular they had big pushes to "keep boise weird" or "keep boise local" or something along those lines - basically keep the chains out.
Anyway - cool little place and something to think about
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05-01-15 03:41 PM #62
Compactor what a memory!!
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05-01-15 04:02 PM #63
so if u had to pick between
Fort Myers Florida
St Petersburg Florida
Jupiter Florida
Nashville TN
Boulder Colorado
or
Las Vegas Nevada
Myrtle Beach SC
Charleston SC
which would you choose?
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05-01-15 04:31 PM #64
Boulder but high priced college city
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05-01-15 05:42 PM #65
Chiang Mai, Thailand
Thousands of expatriate Westerners have discovered the largest city in northern Thailand, where the cost of living is about half that of its better-known (and bigger) rival, Bangkok. Chiang Mai is in a river valley surrounded by mountains, with year-round daytime temperatures in the 80s and 90s.
A comfortable apartment costs about $400 a month, with $150 for utilities (including high-speed Internet, cable TV, telephone and electricity), $100 for groceries, $150 for full-time household help and $150 for entertainment, including eating out (people rave about the food and the variety of restaurants). Foreigners cannot own land, although they can own apartments and condos.
When you retire to Thailand, an added bonus is the access to high-quality, low-cost hospitals that have made the country a hub for medical tourism.
Rent: $400
Basic groceries for a couple: $250
Electricity: $35
Water: $5
Gas: $5
Cable: $20
Internet: $20
Landline phone: $10
Entertainment: $250
Total: $1,000
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05-01-15 06:59 PM #66
It all depends on the person you are and what your looking for. Take a look in the mirror and answer your own question. You know yourself better than any of us
But we did light this form up
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05-01-15 08:17 PM #67
I wonder how the living quarters are in Thailand though?
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05-01-15 08:20 PM #68
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05-02-15 12:22 AM #69
Yellowknife,NWT Originally Posted by MoMoneyMoVaughn
lived there for 3 years, Fuking cold Mo.
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05-02-15 12:39 AM #70
colorado, central maryland, st. pete florida (i'll be visiting there next week
), or another planet are your best options
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