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    Oldest Known Human Fossil Discovered

    http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/mar/04/jaw-bone-discovery-in-ethiopia-is-oldest-ever-human-lineage-remains

    Around 400,000 years older than previous discovery of homo lineage, 2.8m-year-old jaw and five teeth was found on rocky slope in the Afar region of Ethiopia.

    A lower jaw bone and five teeth discovered on a hillside in Ethiopia are the oldest remains ever found that belong to the genus Homo, the lineage that ultimately led to modern humans.

    Fossil hunters spotted the jaw poking out of a rocky slope in the dry and dusty Afar region of the country about 250 miles from Addis Ababa.

    The US-led research team believes the individual lived about 2.8m years ago, when the now parched landscape was open grassland and shrubs nourished by tree-lined rivers and wetlands.

    The remains are about 400,000 years older than fossils which had previously held the record as the earliest known specimens on the Homo lineage.

    The discovery sheds light on a profoundly important but poorly understood period in human evolution that played out between two and three million years ago, when humans began the crucial transformation from ape-like animals into forms that used tools and eventually began to resemble modern humans.

    “This is the the first inkling we have of that transition to modern behaviour. We were no longer solving problems with our bodies but with our brains,” said Brian Villmoare at the University of Nevada in Las Vegas.

    The new fossil, found at a site called Ledi-Geraru, has a handful of primitive features in common with an ancient forerunner of modern humans called Australopithecus afarensis. The most well-known specimen, the 3m-year-old Lucy, was unearthed in 1974 in Hadar, only 40 miles from the Ledi-Geraru site. But the latest fossil has more modern traits too. Some are seen only on the Homo lineage, such as a shallower chin bone.

    The picture that emerges from the fossil record is that 3m years ago, the ape-like Australopithecus afarensis died out and was superseded by two very different human forms. One, called Paranthropus, had a small brain, large teeth and strong jaw muscles for chewing its food. The other was the Homo lineage, which found itself with much larger brains, a solution that turned out to be more successful.

    “By finding this jaw bone we’ve figured out where that trajectory started,” said Villamoare. “This is the first Homo. It marks in all likelihood a major adaptive transition.”

    What drove Australopithethus to extinction and led to the rise of Homo is a mystery, but researchers suspect a dramatic change in the environment transformed the landscape of eastern Africa. “It could be that there was some sort of ecological shift and humans had to evolve or go extinct,” said Villmoare.

    Other fossils recovered nearby the new human remains suggest that the region was much wetter than Hadar where Lucy was found. Remnants of antelopes, prehistoric elephants, primitive hippos, crocodiles and fish were all recovered from the Ledi-Geraru site, researchers said. Details of the discoveries are reported in two papers published in Science.

    The human jaw was discovered in January 2013 by Chalachew Seyoum, an Ethiopian national on the team, and a student at Arizona State University. He was part of a group that had set off from camp that morning to look for fossils on a hill that was later found to be brimming with ancient bones.

    Villamoare, who was on the expedition, recalled the moment of discovery. “I heard people yelling Brian! Brian! And I went round the corner and there was Chalachew. He recognised it, and said: ‘We’ve got a human.’ It had eroded out of the stratigraphy. It was in two pieces and was missing some of the teeth, but it was clearly of the genus Homo.”

    The fossil bones are too fragmentary to give them a human species name. The jawbone could belong to Homo habilis, known as “handy man”, the earliest known species on the Homo lineage. But Villamoare is not convinced. It could be a new species that lived before Homo habilis.

    Other researchers agree. In a separate paper published in Nature, Fred Spoor at University College, London, reports a virtual reconstruction of a Homo habilis skull. “By digitally exploring what Homo habilis really looked like, we could infer the nature of its ancestor, but no such fossils were known,” said Spoor. “Now the Ledi-Geraru jaw has turned up as if on request, suggesting a plausible evolutionary link between Australopithecus afarensis and Homo habilis.”

    But until more remains are found, the mystery will remain. The US-led team has been back to the site this January to look for more fossils, but Villamoare said he cannot yet talk about what they did or did not find.

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    Very Interesting, thanks.

    No doubt related to my relatives.

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    Very exciting news indeed katcher.

    Helps answer another question in the evolutional link...

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    Nice post

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    Thanks Roy

    Wonder what they will discover next?

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    Evolutions a fraud.... " experts " from Berkeley in else where agree on this...

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6luYV55QkU

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    Over 3 million years? Lol.

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    crap, i thought this was another Betty White article

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    scam

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    Quote Originally Posted by ACoochy View Post
    Oldest Known Human Fossil Discovered



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    Quote Originally Posted by brainfreeze View Post
    Evolutions a fraud.... " experts " from Berkeley in else where agree on this...

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6luYV55QkU
    Quote Originally Posted by jtoler View Post
    Over 3 million years? Lol.
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    scam
    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/02...fox-news-lies/

    War On Christianity? FBI Hate Crime Statistics Utterly Destroy Fox News Lies

    The right wing insists that there’s a war on Christianity. FBI hate crimes statistics tell a very different story, however. Far from being the victims of religiously motivated attacks, hate crimes against protestants are almost non-existent, while crimes against Jews, Muslims and people of other faiths occur much more frequently, with more violent consequences.

    According to the most recent FBI hate crimes statistics (2013), most hate crimes in the United States are not religiously motivated. Almost half of all hate crimes committed in the US are racially motivated. Out of those, more than 66 percent were directed at black people. Another 11 plus percent of hate crimes are motivated by an ethnic bias, such as a bias toward Arab Americans or toward Hispanic citizens. Altogether, attacks against minorities constitute more than 77 percent of all hate crimes in the US.

    But we know that it’s white America that’s really under attack, right? At least that’s what they keep telling us on Fox News.

    Anti-gay violence is the second most commonly occurring type of hate crime in the United States. Contrary to the right wing narrative that Christians are under attack by the gays, the list of violent crimes committed against the LGBT community speaks for itself. Where are the incidents of gays attacking Christians? They do not exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ACoochy View Post
    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/02...fox-news-lies/

    War On Christianity? FBI Hate Crime Statistics Utterly Destroy Fox News Lies

    The right wing insists that there’s a war on Christianity. FBI hate crimes statistics tell a very different story, however. Far from being the victims of religiously motivated attacks, hate crimes against protestants are almost non-existent, while crimes against Jews, Muslims and people of other faiths occur much more frequently, with more violent consequences.

    According to the most recent FBI hate crimes statistics (2013), most hate crimes in the United States are not religiously motivated. Almost half of all hate crimes committed in the US are racially motivated. Out of those, more than 66 percent were directed at black people. Another 11 plus percent of hate crimes are motivated by an ethnic bias, such as a bias toward Arab Americans or toward Hispanic citizens. Altogether, attacks against minorities constitute more than 77 percent of all hate crimes in the US.

    But we know that it’s white America that’s really under attack, right? At least that’s what they keep telling us on Fox News.

    Anti-gay violence is the second most commonly occurring type of hate crime in the United States. Contrary to the right wing narrative that Christians are under attack by the gays, the list of violent crimes committed against the LGBT community speaks for itself. Where are the incidents of gays attacking Christians? They do not exist.
    How did we go from talking about evolution to hate crime ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by brainfreeze View Post
    How did we go from talking about evolution to hate crime ...
    Because the uneducated bring race into fukking everything

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    Quote Originally Posted by brainfreeze View Post
    Evolutions a fraud.... " experts " from Berkeley in else where agree on this...

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6luYV55QkU
    Can't you just embrace your faith without needing science to agree?

    Next you'll be swearing humans have only existed for 3000 years.

    Religion is not in a position to comment on science. Not needing proof is one of the cornerstones of faith after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brainfreeze View Post
    How did we go from talking about evolution to hate crime ...
    Lets see.

    3 known god fearing christian posters post in this thread with their usual ignorant comments.

    They must be butt hurt, hence the link to show that the world is indeed not against them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Booya711 View Post
    Because the uneducated bring race into fukking everything
    Never heard of cause and effect then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    Can't you just embrace your faith without needing science to agree?

    Next you'll be swearing humans have only existed for 3000 years.

    Religion is not in a position to comment on science. Not needing proof is one of the cornerstones of faith after all.
    Can't you understand science and God work together, real science... That video is proof of that, inventors like N. Tesla or Raymond Damadian believe in God, and our top of the line scientist do also.. Real science agrees with God, period.

    O, yeah...God is in position to do as He pleases optional ... Doesn't need our two cents

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    Quote Originally Posted by ACoochy View Post
    Lets see.

    3 known god fearing christian posters post in this thread with their usual ignorant comments.

    They must be butt hurt, hence the link to show that the world is indeed not against them...
    I posted the link, watch the video, it's the truth.... Something you run from, and love to change the subject when confronted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brainfreeze View Post
    Can't you understand science and God work together, real science... That video is proof of that, inventors like N. Tesla or Raymond Damadian believe in God, and our top of the line scientist do also.. Real science agrees with God, period.

    O, yeah...God is in position to do as He pleases optional ... Doesn't need our two cents
    Hahahahahaha

    Funniest thing ive read all day..

    You should be a comedian freezer.

    Only problem youd have though is that people would be laughing at you, not with you...

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    Quote Originally Posted by brainfreeze View Post
    I posted the link, watch the video, it's the truth.... Something you run from, and love to change the subject when confronted.
    Fact vs Fiction

    Nuff said

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    Quote Originally Posted by ACoochy View Post
    Hahahahahaha

    Funniest thing ive read all day..

    You should be a comedian freezer.

    Only problem youd have though is that people would be laughing at you, not with you...
    What's so funny...

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    Quote Originally Posted by brainfreeze View Post
    Can't you understand science and God work together, real science... That video is proof of that, inventors like N. Tesla or Raymond Damadian believe in God, and our top of the line scientist do also.. Real science agrees with God, period.

    O, yeah...God is in position to do as He pleases optional ... Doesn't need our two cents
    Then why do you need to make up silly arguments to protect him? (or protect your interpretation of 'his word' to be more accurate)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ACoochy View Post
    Fact vs Fiction

    Nuff said
    Fiction ? What you believe, yes... Very much so, posted what was necessary, done with the topic

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    Would you say that any scientist who agrees the fossil in this article is around 2.8 million years old is not a "real scientist" Brainfreeze?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    Then why do you need to make up silly arguments to protect him? (or protect your interpretation of 'his word' to be more accurate)
    I don't need to, I speak the truth He would have me do... Better understanding for people who didn't have it. What silly argument are you referring to, " is God real " ? I don't believe it's silly at all... I think it's a good topic for people who want to know .. because some have faith, and I'm hoping my words have strengthened that faith, and maybe even have a few considering that faith..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    Would you say that any scientist who agrees the fossil in this article is around 2.8 million years old is not a "real scientist" Brainfreeze?
    He's a scientist but promoting a distorted view of science...Now would you call those guys in that video scientist or what ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by brainfreeze View Post
    He's a scientist but promoting a distorted view of science...Now would you call those guys in that video scientist or what ?
    Jonathan Wells? No
    Wells said, "One of the things that Father [Reverend Sun Myung Moon] advised us to do at UTS was to pray to seek God's plan for our lives." He later described that plan: "To defend and articulate Unification theology especially in relation to Darwinian evolution."
    This moron is as far away from being a scientist as can be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zizoudane10 View Post
    Jonathan Wells? No
    Wells said, "One of the things that Father [Reverend Sun Myung Moon] advised us to do at UTS was to pray to seek God's plan for our lives." He later described that plan: "To defend and articulate Unification theology especially in relation to Darwinian evolution."
    This moron is as far away from being a scientist as can be.


    This freezer guy is out with the fairies for real.

    Its a shame the gov does not spend more on mental health care. People like freezer could really benefit from their services...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ACoochy View Post


    This freezer guy is out with the fairies for real.

    Its a shame the gov does not spend more on mental health care. People like freezer could really benefit from their services...
    Honestly it isn't even fun to toy around with this guy... Seriously. It's like bullying a mentally challenged kid, that certainly isn't funny at all.
    Fukkin sees a youtube video made by morons FOR morons and oh wow, oh so surprisingly he falls for it... Who would have thought...
    Fossils don't contradict evolution, they very very very strongly support it. But this guy doesn't get it.
    And what amazes me the most is: evolution doesn't even contradict believing in a deity. But whatever....

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    brainer thinks faith and visions (had after many years of drug abuse) = fact ... even though there are so many logical explanations for what he thinks happened, what he thinks he sees and for the condition he has that he simply ignores, im glad to see guys find a better life and be in a better place... as long as what you believe isnt hurting anyone, believe in anything you like... just dont expect to be taken seriously by everyone... and get used to people disregarding the idea of a God at a very fast pace

    i still giggle at guys who dont seem to have a problem with the earth being 6-10k yrs old, yet laugh at the idea of how old fossils actually are and how old the earth actually is...the bible doesnt support the age, so they dont believe it... but the bible supports women turning into salt, world flooding over the highest mountains and virgin births and that is somehow more believable ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by raydog View Post
    brainer thinks faith and visions (had after many years of drug abuse) = fact ... even though there are so many logical explanations for what he thinks happened, what he thinks he sees and for the condition he has that he simply ignores, im glad to see guys find a better life and be in a better place... as long as what you believe isnt hurting anyone, believe in anything you like... just dont expect to be taken seriously by everyone... and get used to people disregarding the idea of a God at a very fast pace

    i still giggle at guys who dont seem to have a problem with the earth being 6-10k yrs old, yet laugh at the idea of how old fossils actually are and how old the earth actually is...the bible doesnt support the age, so they dont believe it... but the bible supports women turning into salt, world flooding over the highest mountains and virgin births and that is somehow more believable ...
    I'm not the one getting visions... I see you have a hard time paying attention, Jesus loves you guys. Be blessed..scientist reject evolution, but the bully scientific community doesn't want to except that.. go ahead, act like this is all fun and jokes, when we all know this is anything but fun and jokes...

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    Yea, all a big farce right ?

    http://www.dissentfromdarwin.org

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    Quote Originally Posted by brainfreeze View Post
    Yea, all a big farce right ?

    http://www.dissentfromdarwin.org
    Guy that owns that site is founder of the discovery institute, a christian organisation....

    No bias there at all hey...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ACoochy View Post
    Guy that owns that site is founder of the discovery institute, a christian organisation....

    No bias there at all hey...

    Tool
    There's always going to be bias, after coming to truth...

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