[brainfreeze]

Luke 8:27


27And when he went forth to land, there met him out of the city a certain man, which had devils long time, and ware no clothes, neither abode in any house, but in the tombs.28When he saw Jesus, he cried out, and fell down before him, and with a loud voice said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God most high? I beseech thee, torment me not. 29(For he had commanded the unclean spirit to come out of the man. For oftentimes it had caught him: and he was kept bound with chains and in fetters; and he brake the bands, and was driven of the devil into the wilderness.)

30And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, Legion: because many devils were entered into him. 31And they besought him that he would not command them to go out into the deep.32And there was there an herd of many swine feeding on the mountain: and they besought him that he would suffer them to enter into them. And he suffered them. 33Then went the devils out of the man, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the lake, and were choked.

34When they that fed them saw what was done, they fled, and went and told it in the city and in the country. 35Then they went out to see what was done; and came to Jesus, and found the man, out of whom the devils were departed, sitting at the feet of Jesus, clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid. 36They also which saw it told them by what means he that was possessed of the devils was healed. 37Then the whole multitude of the country of the Gadarenes round about besought him to depart from them; for they were taken with great fear: and he went up into the ship, and returned back again.

38Now the man out of whom the devils were departed besought him that he might be with him: but Jesus sent him away, saying, 39Return to thine own house, and shew how great things God hath done unto thee. And he went his way, and published throughout the whole city how great things Jesus had done unto him.

[Triple_D_Bet]

In blue...

New Testament is pretty mellow in general, but it's bundled with the old testament, which is anything but. Regardless, following either literally is a terrible idea, hence why most don't do it...just like many Christians don't follow the abhorrent parts of the bible, many Muslims don't follow the abhorrent parts of the koran.

Re: hallucinating, I don't know the details about what you're referring to, but my point is our minds constantly mislead us. We see things that aren't there, we remember things that didn't happen...this has nothing do do with you specifically, it has everything to do with how our brains work and how our perception works well in a wide range of situations but is designed to take shortcuts which can easily mislead us. Not saying you're a liar, no more than a guy who remembers putting his keys in his pocket only to find out they're really on the desk

Like I said, don't know the specifics of your mom's actions, but cold-reading is the best guess. Similar to above, the human brain is notoriously bad at running objective analyses; our thoughts are subject to all sorts of biases which mislead us. Becoming familiar with these is a real eye-opener when you see how much faulty reasoning their is in the world, and understanding the biases and accounting for them helps us to be wrong much less often. In this case, I'd guess confirmation bias or similar, where data confirming the assumption that she can do mysterious things is remembered and data against it isn't.

No official conclusion on the pyramids, but doesn't really have to be...once it's proven that it's possible for man to have made them himself, it makes far more sense to assume they were done that way than via supernatural forces.

I have no problem with the question, there's more locked up in America then any where in the world. It's a business, a very profitable one, over $150 a day for housing D.O.C inmates.. I deserved what I got, looking back at it... I was out of control, bars never stopped me though, Only thing that hit me like a Mac truck was Christ... Seriously

Over three years total... Starting from a juvenile.. Haven't seen bars in over ten years, partially because I got real slick, then I got saved by Christ.

There should be better option for returning home felons, they keep taking more and more away. One used to could go work for delta, dealing with the luggage or this type of thing, they've took that away as well now. The jobs are bad for everyone as is, despite what the government says. A felon though, it's like your never done with your time because they hold it against you for the rest of your life. I could see this for violent crimes or sexual ones, anything involving others... I'm good though, God has it all under control, I'm no rich man but I have what's better then gold, Gods Word, family, a legit hustle, and solid friends...

Agreed re:felonies, the classification of what's a felony is out of control, and seems to be increasingly used as a means of creating second class citizens and working around rights. The sort of thinking that gets people supporting these laws is just one of the dangers I'm talking about when people aren't encouraged to think deeply and logically about things As I said before, nothing specific to Christianity or even how most people practice religion these days though...but any mindset that says "just do this stuff cause we said so" isn't helping.

[Triple_D_Bet]

Luke 8:27


27And when he went forth to land, there met him out of the city a certain man, which had devils long time, and ware no clothes, neither abode in any house, but in the tombs.28When he saw Jesus, he cried out, and fell down before him, and with a loud voice said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God most high? I beseech thee, torment me not. 29(For he had commanded the unclean spirit to come out of the man. For oftentimes it had caught him: and he was kept bound with chains and in fetters; and he brake the bands, and was driven of the devil into the wilderness.)

30And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, Legion: because many devils were entered into him. 31And they besought him that he would not command them to go out into the deep.32And there was there an herd of many swine feeding on the mountain: and they besought him that he would suffer them to enter into them. And he suffered them. 33Then went the devils out of the man, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the lake, and were choked.

34When they that fed them saw what was done, they fled, and went and told it in the city and in the country. 35Then they went out to see what was done; and came to Jesus, and found the man, out of whom the devils were departed, sitting at the feet of Jesus, clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid. 36They also which saw it told them by what means he that was possessed of the devils was healed. 37Then the whole multitude of the country of the Gadarenes round about besought him to depart from them; for they were taken with great fear: and he went up into the ship, and returned back again.

38Now the man out of whom the devils were departed besought him that he might be with him: but Jesus sent him away, saying, 39Return to thine own house, and shew how great things God hath done unto thee. And he went his way, and published throughout the whole city how great things Jesus had done unto him.

Cool story, but according to Jesus, he didn't do the guy any favors:

Matthew 12:43-45:

43 "When an evil spirit comes out of a man, it goes through arid places seeking rest and does not find it.
44 Then it says, 'I will return to the house I left.' When it arrives, it finds the house unoccupied, swept clean and put in order.
45 Then it goes and takes with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there. And the final condition of that man is worse than the first.



Hopefully the evil spirits got out of their pigs before jumping back in, otherwise that could be messy!

[brainfreeze]

New Testament is pretty mellow in general, but it's bundled with the old testament, which is anything but. Regardless, following either literally is a terrible idea, hence why most don't do it...just like many Christians don't follow the abhorrent parts of the bible, many Muslims don't follow the abhorrent parts of the koran.

the Old Testament is the Jews tunuk, it is based on flesh. The laws are of flesh, war was a flesh one along with spiritual. The New Testament is completely spiritual, why Jesus said this,

…6"But because I have said these things to you, sorrow has filled your heart. 7"But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you. 8"And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment;…

The whole Bible is Gods word, but the new testament and the gospel in general are about the Holy Spirit. Paul breaks this down fairly well in Romans 6,7, and 8. One has to search these things out for themselves to get a full understanding, if we just cherry pick verses we won't get a grasp on what's being conveyed..

Re: hallucinating, I don't know the details about what you're referring to, but my point is our minds constantly mislead us. We see things that aren't there, we remember things that didn't happen...this has nothing do do with you specifically, it has everything to do with how our brains work and how our perception works well in a wide range of situations but is designed to take shortcuts which can easily mislead us. Not saying you're a liar, no more than a guy who remembers putting his keys in his pocket only to find out they're really on the desk
I'm sorry tripper but I've seen some pretty wild stuff in this life, and by far this takes the cake. This is no illusion, falsity, or replacement reality I've made for myself, this is real. My brain works very well under pressure, I've put myself in very intense situations over the years, and I know how my brain reacts to situations. I'm telling you the truth, why would I bother otherwise ? The point is I've made my choice on who I'm going to serve, I know what I've passed up, and I'm more the happy with my decision. I know who I am and I've found real love, peace, and joy in Christ... Hope you would seek Him and find the same.

Like I said, don't know the specifics of your mom's actions, but cold-reading is the best guess. Similar to above, the human brain is notoriously bad at running objective analyses; our thoughts are subject to all sorts of biases which mislead us. Becoming familiar with these is a real eye-opener when you see how much faulty reasoning their is in the world, and understanding the biases and accounting for them helps us to be wrong much less often. In this case, I'd guess confirmation bias or similar, where data confirming the assumption that she can do mysterious things is remembered and data against it isn't.

She can tell someone what they've done, she can tell them about sentimental items they cherish, who they got them from, how old they were and different things with different individuals, she will tell anyone, she's no psychic and she doesn't converse with spirits. This has nothing to do with math or science, this is a gift from God. There's no explanation other then God

No official conclusion on the pyramids, but doesn't really have to be...once it's proven that it's possible for man to have made them himself, it makes far more sense to assume they were done that way than via supernatural forces.
We are in 2015, how much longer is needed ? I'm not saying fallen spirits did this or not, I'm saying there's more to life then what meets the eye. There's vibrations, sound, and things we are unaware of because we don't understand them, look up a place called " coral castle " I think you'll be pretty amazed at what 1 man can do that weighed maybe 100lbs wet...


Agreed re:felonies, the classification of what's a felony is out of control, and seems to be increasingly used as a means of creating second class citizens and working around rights. The sort of thinking that gets people supporting these laws is just one of the dangers I'm talking about when people aren't encouraged to think deeply and logically about things As I said before, nothing specific to Christianity or even how most people practice religion these days though...but any mindset that says "just do this stuff cause we said so" isn't helping

Agreed, and I don't want to make people follow Christ ever, that breaks free will, God is love, there's a choice there, with the option to go or stay.
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I will also leave you with a few more verses....
Acts 2:17
17And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:


Mark 8:36
36For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?

[brainfreeze]

Cool story, but according to Jesus, he didn't do the guy any favors:

Matthew 12:43-45:

43 "When an evil spirit comes out of a man, it goes through arid places seeking rest and does not find it.
44 Then it says, 'I will return to the house I left.' When it arrives, it finds the house unoccupied, swept clean and put in order.
45 Then it goes and takes with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there. And the final condition of that man is worse than the first.



Hopefully the evil spirits got out of their pigs before jumping back in, otherwise that could be messy!

It's unoccupied ... " no Holy Spirit ", meaning one will be open and accessible to letting anything in. People are just vessels, what's inside shows out... If we stand on sand " the world " we sink, people get lost to the world daily, drugs, prostitution, music, evolution, luciferian, alchemy, new age stuff, all sorts of things... There's plenty that will take you away... So He's saying if you don't stand on His words, you can fall for any sorts of spirits to come in..This whole world is spiritual tripper, all we see is flesh and what's tangible, life goes far beyond that and the universe is a good example of that.... We don't know how far it goes ..

[boomer62]

And it's all playing out, like the book of Revelations.

[Fidel_CashFlow]

wtf happened to this thread

if you all want cliff notes , just look here http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...25015-god.html

[brainfreeze]

Guess seller will have to make a new thread to pay back trip.... This thread was on a mission of purpose..

[sourtwist]

interesting thread. def some intelligent posters in here.

I can relate to carseller's actions...in my early 20's I screwed up several times, and ruined some important relationships due to gambling way above my means.

the point waves was making is right on point. you can't enable someone with a history of stiffing people and happens to be a degenerate and expect a different outcome. there is a gamble being taken by the lender, who probably likes turmoil to a certain degree. that doesn't mean the lender is a bad person, or is at fault by any means. I also think its pretty cool that bobbywaves and brainfreeze were willing to help the guy out without expecting anything in return. most loans to people with addiction are never paid back anyway, surprised trip, as smart as he seems(other than his religious beliefs, or lack thereof) would have expected anything different.

[Andy117]

How is it possible that carseller is still getting loans?

[Triple_D_Bet]

I will also leave you with a few more verses....
Acts 2:17
17And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:


Mark 8:36
36For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?

That's exactly the problem freezer: our brains do many things well, but they're not very good at assessing their own performance. Our confidence in our memory, perception or general performance is frequently inaccurate. This isn't speculation, it's well-documented science...people living millenia ago can be forgiven for not knowing how this stuff works, but these days there's less and less excuse not to learn this stuff when it's so readily available.

I don't doubt you believe what you're telling me! Just saying that the exact things you describe can be replicated...pick up a book on cold-reading techniques and with a little practice you'll probably do just as well.

There's far more to the world than we can see or understand for sure, but there are ways to increase our understanding of it; saying "god made it that way" implicitly discourages that.

If prophesying, seeing visions and dreaming is a sign of the last days, they've been going on for some time now and will likely continue until we're extinct!

It's unoccupied ... " no Holy Spirit ", meaning one will be open and accessible to letting anything in. People are just vessels, what's inside shows out... If we stand on sand " the world " we sink, people get lost to the world daily, drugs, prostitution, music, evolution, luciferian, alchemy, new age stuff, all sorts of things... There's plenty that will take you away... So He's saying if you don't stand on His words, you can fall for any sorts of spirits to come in..This whole world is spiritual tripper, all we see is flesh and what's tangible, life goes far beyond that and the universe is a good example of that.... We don't know how far it goes ..

That's certainly one interpretation of it, but it doesn't match the literal words, where he goes on to say the entire generation will suffer this fate and conveniently forgets to mention that they might avoid this fate. It takes a lot of work to ensure even a simple statement is infallible (using the best knowledge available at the time), and when you try to say an entire book is infallible and always will be, it's kind of inevitable that you run into more and more spots where it's wrong over time.

wtf happened to this thread

if you all want cliff notes , just look here http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...25015-god.html

One less CS4 attention-whoring thread in points forum

Guess seller will have to make a new thread to pay back trip.... This thread was on a mission of purpose..

What we're trying to tell ya is that there's 0 chance of that. CS4 specializes in screwing up, regardless of how many chances he's given.

interesting thread. def some intelligent posters in here.

I can relate to carseller's actions...in my early 20's I screwed up several times, and ruined some important relationships due to gambling way above my means.

the point waves was making is right on point. you can't enable someone with a history of stiffing people and happens to be a degenerate and expect a different outcome. there is a gamble being taken by the lender, who probably likes turmoil to a certain degree. that doesn't mean the lender is a bad person, or is at fault by any means. I also think its pretty cool that bobbywaves and brainfreeze were willing to help the guy out without expecting anything in return. most loans to people with addiction are never paid back anyway, surprised trip, as smart as he seems(other than his religious beliefs, or lack thereof) would have expected anything different.

I expected one of two things to happen when lending to him: either he would pay back as agreed, or he would be banned. Since the former wasn't something he wanted to do and the latter didn't happen, we've had to settle for him being blacklisted from any future loans. Can't say it played out too differently from what I expected.

A bit of background on bobby: his only attempt to "help" came shortly after i caught up to him an annual poker contest. Presumably he tried to gift CS4 the points out of frustration with this (since he'd never lifted a finger to help him in the years before that); indeed, when he was given the chance to do it again several days later, he changed his mind and wanted something in return.

Freezer was genuinely trying to help, but as you said, enabling a person like CS4 doesn't actually help them...some people only learn the hard way if at all, and shielding him from the consequences of his actions doesn't help. My loan to him was more help than he could have expected given his past: an opportunity to show that despite years of mistakes, he could live up to an agreement. He failed to do so and paid the price, end of story.

Don't blame ya for not knowing the details, this stuff can be tough to catch up on if you're not checking into points forum regularly

How is it possible that carseller is still getting loans?

He's not, at least not until he settles his current debt. With a balance about 50% greater than the number of atoms in the universe and (more importantly) no desire on his part to resume abiding by his agreement, doesn't seem like it's happening anytime soon

[sourtwist]

tripleD, I'm sure that there is more of a back-story than what is in this thread, so I understand what you're saying.

[bobbywaves]

Yea, seen that in a thread... He rather hang out with hookers then play cards. That's up to him, I think he said that because the others there, didn't want to hang out with him and instead of being hurt by that he'd rather sound cool... People here can be hurtful though, just comes with the element ... Whhhatever

More like I rather get laid, then hang out with at least one atheist. Yeah it was up to me, my coolness is irrelevant here.

[brainfreeze]

interesting thread. def some intelligent posters in here.

I can relate to carseller's actions...in my early 20's I screwed up several times, and ruined some important relationships due to gambling way above my means.

the point waves was making is right on point. you can't enable someone with a history of stiffing people and happens to be a degenerate and expect a different outcome. there is a gamble being taken by the lender, who probably likes turmoil to a certain degree. that doesn't mean the lender is a bad person, or is at fault by any means. I also think its pretty cool that bobbywaves and brainfreeze were willing to help the guy out without expecting anything in return. most loans to people with addiction are never paid back anyway, surprised trip, as smart as he seems(other than his religious beliefs, or lack thereof) would have expected anything different.

Super solid post!! My father had the same problem, I think the bottom line, deep down, it relates to pain. It's not about the winning, it's the losing, they feel something when one loses, like someone cutting themselves.. Glad my pop got a hold of his problem, " enjoys fishing and hunting these days " a little to late, after my mother divorced him, and the kids ran wild...better late then never, Sellers problem might not be that serious be it, it's just points but it relates... I hope he can regain control, give it to God seller...

[sourtwist]

there's a good chance carseller is using betting points as an alternative to using money necessary to live and take care of his family, its definitely cheaper. many people who gamble need a different outlet to take their mind off of the destruction of ones life that gambling has a habit of bringing. I know for a fact that if I didn't gamble, my life would be enhanced I'm every single way possible. happiness, money, family time, and just the feeling of seeing things clearly without distraction are just a few of the many things I know that I am missing out on, but nothing excites me the way gambling does. I know I'm not the only one, and I also know that many will not admit it because they are WINNING. at least that's what they think, because even when winning, you are sacrificing something more valuable than any hot streak could buy.

If I decide to quit using my hard earned money to have many ups and downs, I can see myself going pro and using betpoints to get my fix.

[brainfreeze]

there's a good chance carseller is using betting points as an alternative to using money necessary to live and take care of his family, its definitely cheaper. many people who gamble need a different outlet to take their mind off of the destruction of ones life that gambling has a habit of bringing. I know for a fact that if I didn't gamble, my life would be enhanced I'm every single way possible. happiness, money, family time, and just the feeling of seeing things clearly without distraction are just a few of the many things I know that I am missing out on, but nothing excites me the way gambling does. I know I'm not the only one, and I also know that many will not admit it because they are WINNING. at least that's what they think, because even when winning, you are sacrificing something more valuable than any hot streak could buy.

If I decide to quit using my hard earned money to have many ups and downs, I can see myself going pro and using betpoints to get my fix.

In the words of Steve Wynn " the only way to beat a casino, is to own one ". People lose a lot more then they win, southtwist...generally anyway.

[frankzig]

Thought this was back on track?

[Auto Donk]

Have not even been close to placing in the World Series of Poker deal.

Think Karma is biting me.

Time to make things right with TDB.

I'll start by paying back the principal. (1000 points)

Think I have paid 140 towards that so 860 to go.

I'll start paying back here.

Quandary.

Time to make things right???????

"you're due"

[frankzig]

Time to make things right???????

"you're due"

[Carseller4]

sent 100

350/1000

[Carseller4]

A payback thread in the saloon?

Why?

[Russian Rocket]

A payback thread in the saloon?

Why?

just do what needs to be done
don't worry about a location of the thread

[Triple_D_Bet]

A payback thread in the saloon?

Why?

This thread and the ones preceding it weren't really about points....your invitations for abuse should be auto-salooned. GTFO already.

*/>1x10^100

[brainfreeze]

A payback thread in the saloon?

Why?

That way, you have a few selections on where you want to hit the betpoint icon in each thread... Come on seller, didn't you just hit two big trivia's ? You should update on the principle, your at 300/1000, set a goal...

get to 550 before months end..

[retard]

payback the virtual points scum

[Carseller4]

Paid 650

1000/1000

[boeing power]

Paid 650

1000/1000

Great job.

Want a small loan as a reward?

[bobbywaves]

CS still owes some reasonable interest.