[brainfreeze]

Never trust people and their cameras.

My trust lays with God.. The Holy Ghost guides one in to all truth, one will be able to separate the lies and the truth with discernment ... Truth speaks to the soul, one will know it when they hear it... Gods word is 100 % truth.. Period, if some want to think I'm gullible or just a addict or whatever " shrugs " ... I can't do nothing about that, it's up to the individual on what they want to believe... I'm not here to convince with evidence, I'm here to just tell people to have faith or belief small as a mustard seed... Read His word...


God will do the rest...

but true Jtoler, and don't believe everything you see, search " project Bluebeam " you'll be amazed with what they can do with holograms today... Believe God, truth, love, and righteousness ... That's what's real my friend

[brainfreeze]

Never trust people and their cameras.

Tell me what you guys think of this...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FDK8bEU1s7M

[raydog]

lolz..the first vid was fake and was debunked very easily... you should stop wasting your time though... you wont find anything that cant be explained...

the hologram is very cool ...

[brainfreeze]

lolz.. ridiculous fake and was debunked very easily... you should stop wasting your time though... you wont find anything that cant be explained...

What are you talking about ? That's a hologram... Yeah, it's a fake... A real fake
" hologram ", nothing to debunk?

I'm asking what you guys think of the capabilities of today's technology .. that one won't know real from fake... Why I said you can't trust your eyes either..

satans favorite tool is lies and deception...

[The Kraken]

Except Satan doesn't exist. Simply life. That's it my man, from dust to dust

[jtoler]

Except Satan doesn't exist. Simply life. That's it my man, from dust to dust

So life is pointless then.

[brainfreeze]

So life is pointless then.

Pretty much, without God .... All is vain

[raydog]

What are you talking about ? That's a hologram... Yeah, it's a fake... A real fake
" hologram ", nothing to debunk?

I'm asking what you guys think of the capabilities of today's technology .. that one won't know real from fake... Why I said you can't trust your eyes either..

satans favorite tool is lies and deception...

i was talking about the video in jerusalem, not the hologram... the video was proven fake by many camera editing guys... they can all be explained...every single one of them... you just arent going to find anything real on youtube... the fact that some guys think these fake/doctored videos are proof of Angels or Spirits or even ufo's, is fall out of the chair funny to me... no offense, but you say meditation is bad and then your own gullible mind is leading you to believe in all these fake videos, im pretty sure meditation is where i would search for myself first... if i ever thought i needed to go searching for something... again, no offense, you believe what you believe... lets just not get crazy about some youtube nonsense

the hologram is super cool... those 7D things are crazy

[brainfreeze]

i was talking about the video in jerusalem, not the hologram... the video was proven fake by many camera editing guys... they can all be explained...every single one of them... you just arent going to find anything real on youtube... the fact that some guys think these fake/doctored videos are proof of Angels or Spirits or even ufo's, is fall out of the chair funny to me... no offense, but you say meditation is bad and then your own gullible mind is leading you to believe in all these fake videos, im pretty sure meditation is where i would search for myself first... if i ever thought i needed to go searching for something... again, no offense, you believe what you believe... lets just not get crazy about some youtube nonsense

the hologram is super cool... those 7D things are crazy

Tell you truth.... I've seen lights a lot stranger then that in my own backyard and a lot closer... I've seen my mother tell a man where he got a scar on his forehead and how old he was when he did it ... Again, I don't know if any of those particular vids were real, I don't hedge my faith on that, but people see balls of light just like that all the time,there's thousands of stories, if you don't want to believe... I'm not going to laugh at you, I'm going to pray for you... and I hope you well, sir.

[raydog]

the thing about shit flying around in the sky... its always explained when seen by many... when seen by one or a few and they tell the story, its always by those who believe they are angels/demons, ufo's or who are on drugs or have used a lot of drugs... its because you guys believe in that stuff.. i dont mean to laugh, but its so damn funny what you guys turn balloons , planes, divers, copters etc. into .. you guys think everything you see has biblical meaning... it simply doesnt ...

[Snowball]

Except Satan doesn't exist. Simply life. That's it my man, from dust to dust

ok, so I'm going to cast some evil spells on you and send a demon into your life.

you cool with that ?

[Ghenghis Kahn]

ok, so I'm going to cast some evil spells on you and send a demon into your life.

you cool with that ?

do you still smoke crack?

[brainfreeze]

the thing about shit flying around in the sky... its always explained when seen by many... when seen by one or a few and they tell the story, its always by those who believe they are angels/demons, ufo's or who are on drugs or have used a lot of drugs... its because you guys believe in that stuff.. i dont mean to laugh, but its so damn funny what you guys turn balloons , planes, divers, copters etc. into .. you guys think everything you see has biblical meaning... it simply doesnt ...

You have not given any evidence of the vids I posted, that they were fake, that's your opinion, the one in Jerusalem ... Maybe Idk, the rest give me evidence they were not real sightings not what " some think " explaining it.. and I never said everything has biblical meaning, what I will say, is there's nothing new under the sun, and God has dominion over all.. but it sounds like you've made your choice " meditation " with the yogi's so why are we still talking about it..

[StackinGreen]

The truth lies in the more spiritual non dual traditions of any major religion you look. Gnosticism (christianity) advaita (hinduism) sufism (islam) etc

The truth is much deeper than just believing in some bearded man living in the sky who created the world. That is just childish bullshit.

Non superstitious people don't believe in what you've stated here and your non-dual statement is incorrect. You likely have never studied or realize what the early christians believed or how they practiced, for example.

[StackinGreen]

You have not given any evidence of the vids I posted, that they were fake, that's your opinion, the one in Jerusalem ... Maybe Idk, the rest give me evidence they were not real sightings not what " some think " explaining it.. and I never said everything has biblical meaning, what I will say, is there's nothing new under the sun, and God has dominion over all.. but it sounds like you've made your choice " meditation " with the yogi's so why are we still talking about it..

What's your point brain? God doesn't exist through evidence, especially in the way that a western brain and culture attempts at synthesizing these. He exists in reality through us experiencing Him.

These guys have been lead astray by consumerist western hyper-individualism and the distorted christianity that the West produced, with much innovation. They reject it and go for eastern religions because they have no idea what christianity's balance is, nor its history, and so they go all the way to a depersonalized "god"/creation, which is equally as extreme.

[raydog]

i dont need meditation either.. i simply stated that i would choose meditation over becoming a sheep that thinks everything floating around in the sky is an angel, demon or ufo.... and since you dont believe in ufo's, you think everything you cant explain is an angel or demon... except they can all be explained

im not trying to argue, just giving my opinions, like you... when you make a claim, its up to you to prove it...this debate will go on forever without anyone producing a single shred of evidence of any god, angels, demons etc... while there is already so much evidence the earth is a stupid amount older than the 6k years that christians are led to believe... but no need to dwell on scientific facts when you have faith, right?

im glad you have faith and im glad its turned your life around and you seem to be a much better person for it... whatever it takes to make your world and the world a better place, im all for it... its a shame religions seem to work against each other and they all work against agnostics/atheists

[brainfreeze]

Revelations 12:11

And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.


I am evidence... I'm living proof, my testimony ... If you don't want to believe it, fine.

[muldoon]

If you met a 30 year old that was adamant Santa Claus was real, you'd (most likely), be amused (and maybe concerned). Would you vote for this person?

Yet scorekeeper in the sky fantasy believers are elected and have special rights based on LESS PROOF than Santa Claus.

Because one myth is more accepted?

Amazing.

[brainfreeze]

If you met a 30 year old that was adamant Santa Claus was real, you'd (most likely), be amused (and maybe concerned). Would you vote for this person?

Yet scorekeeper in the sky fantasy believers are elected and have special rights based on LESS PROOF than Santa Claus.

Because one myth is more accepted?

Amazing.

Old " saint " nick eh ? .... Let's see who he really is..

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Old+Nick

[bigtymer56]

Old " saint " nick eh ? .... Let's see who he really is..

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Old+Nick

Similar to this:

http://www.krampus.com/who-is-krampus.php

If you cant get people(or in this case kids) to behave with the promise of treats and rewards...just scare them with some demon.

[brainfreeze]

Similar to this:

http://www.krampus.com/who-is-krampus.php

If you cant get people(or in this case kids) to behave with the promise of treats and rewards...just scare them with some demon.

Well, if old nick won't do, just sing them a song ?... (NOT THESE !)

http://www.ncregister.com/blog/matth...nursery-rhymes

[Ghenghis Kahn]

If you met a 30 year old that was adamant Santa Claus was real, you'd (most likely), be amused (and maybe concerned). Would you vote for this person?

Yet scorekeeper in the sky fantasy believers are elected and have special rights based on LESS PROOF than Santa Claus.

Because one myth is more accepted?

Amazing.

santa doesn't exist through evidence, especially in the way that a western brain and culture attempts at synthesizing these. he exists in reality through us experiencing him.

get it through you thick skull muldoon. he is real. i felt him inside of me. wait what?

[brainfreeze]

Seek God , ... You will find truth!

[recon1]

and you too recon and seriously, i dont take feelings from one thread to another... while i might find you/others completely off in this thread, it never gets dragged into another thread about sportsbooks or the cowboys or whatever it might be... we might be side by side... some of the kids cant do it.. they think that if you are perceived as a moron in one thread, its war in every single thread you both enter...

this has been an enlightening decent thread for the last few pages...i have enjoyed it... i like the discussion and would love hearing more about what it is exactly that lead you christians to believe so deeply... i assume it has a lot to do with the upbringing and being told that god is the only way and the bible is 100% fact...

i remember i got in trouble one day for giving my group church leader some shit about the parting of red sea an noahs ark ... even being at an impressionable age, i was calling bullshit on that i didnt get to go on the field trip to monday night wrestling that week either.. was pissed

Agreed, i will never carry a disagreement into another thread. I was once like you and wasn't much of anything anyone was gonna tell me about the "Big pie in the sky" BS. I just happened into an incident that could not be explained other than if evil exist good must exist. I witnessed good win a battle, and rest is history. Many people have a come to Jesus moment through various reasons and most of it is from bad descions they've made from evil influences. I was unique in that i had no vices and probably wouldn't have turned to God if not for the unique circumstanses i walked into that i mentioned earlier in this thread.

[recon1]

What are you talking about ? That's a hologram... Yeah, it's a fake... A real fake
" hologram ", nothing to debunk?

I'm asking what you guys think of the capabilities of today's technology .. that one won't know real from fake... Why I said you can't trust your eyes either..

satans favorite tool is lies and deception...

You're getting into deep thoughts Brain. I know where you're going and its noble that you at least sound the alarm, but i think most here and elsewhere will think you're stretching it.

The traps for the sheep to fall into are set and many will fall for the deception awaiting…..and soon i think.

[The Kraken]

So life is pointless then.

Nope. Absolutely not.

But why would life be pointless with god or satan?

If you're referring to what happens during our life time, I can think of endless examples that would give meaning to life independent of god.

Also, why does life form in general have to have a point? Why couldn't life just be random and the point is to get the most out of it while you're here, help your fellow inhabitants and then check out?

[The Kraken]

Revelations 12:11

And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.


I am evidence... I'm living proof, my testimony ... If you don't want to believe it, fine.

but we have similar testimonies and by all means I shouldn't be alive. I shouldn't have turned my life around. I should have stayed living on SW13th street and Drexel and died there.

But I didn't stay there, I didn't stay in poverty, I overcame, just like you.

You are living proof that a person can turn their life around and overcome. And that's something to be proud of on it's own merit.

With that said I don't care whether you believe or not. In fact, my church years were some of the best of my life. I had a blast and the community was great. Met life long friends there. So I understand the draw to religion. It's just not for me.

But I personally can't accept either your testimony or biblical verses as evidence of any existence of god.

[raydog]

i think god said on facebook he had the cowboys ML ... you can bet your ass ill be following him next week

[raydog]

[brainfreeze]

but we have similar testimonies and by all means I shouldn't be alive. I shouldn't have turned my life around. I should have stayed living on SW13th street and Drexel and died there.

But I didn't stay there, I didn't stay in poverty, I overcame, just like you.

You are living proof that a person can turn their life around and overcome. And that's something to be proud of on it's own merit.

With that said I don't care whether you believe or not. In fact, my church years were some of the best of my life. I had a blast and the community was great. Met life long friends there. So I understand the draw to religion. It's just not for me.

But I personally can't accept either your testimony or biblical verses as evidence of any existence of god.

There not similar ... You proclaim self, I give accredit to the Messiah, I'm not proud, I don't take " pride " in something that was gifted to me, and my draw to Christ Jesus/Yahshua isn't from friends I've met... It's from manning up and accepting the truth of what is reality... I've prayed for this understanding as long as I can remember ... I received it, I'll pray that one day Kraken, you will realize all the situation put before you, were for you, to make choices... Don't be so sure YOU did anything.

[brainfreeze]

#1.. Yes.. #2 ...their own sick, sin filled fault " look up fallen angels and daughters of men " #3 His favor is with His children #4 Jews and Romans did it to Him, FOR YOU ..Smh, #5 Lie, He's everywhere ..He's always there, watching and listening...

[brainfreeze]

If everyone KNEW He was real.... People would be scared straight in a flash... He doesn't want that, or He would've just made robots.. He wants a willingness to serve Him, this is why we are tried by fire here on earth.. Individual choice... be a wheat, or a tare ...He loves us so much He gives the option, that's something anyone should do with someone they love... If they want to leave, let them go

[raydog]

God, the comedian on facebook, is pretty freakin funny....

makes a lot of fun of the unrealistic silly stuff in the bible and the people that trust ever word... the comedian gets it

[raydog]

If everyone KNEW He was real.... People would be scared straight in a flash... He doesn't want that, or He would've just made robots.. He wants a willingness to serve Him, this is why we are tried by fire here on earth.. Individual choice... be a wheat, or a tare ...He loves us so much He gives the option, that's something anyone should do with someone they love... If they want to leave, let them go

why would people be scared straight? if they knew, for a fact, a God existed, wouldnt they just fukk stuff up until they were on their death bed? similar to what a ton of christians do anyways without really thinking about it

[jtoler]

Nope. Absolutely not.

But why would life be pointless with god or satan?

If you're referring to what happens during our life time, I can think of endless examples that would give meaning to life independent of god.

Also, why does life form in general have to have a point? Why couldn't life just be random and the point is to get the most out of it while you're here, help your fellow inhabitants and then check out?

Life is pointless without a God, trust me if I thought there were no God, Id be doing all types of sneaky stuff to get paid, everything in my power without getting caught, online stealing you name it, I dont do these things now not for fear of being caught, but rather another fear, but thats just me. This life here on earth is short, very short in comparison to what lies next, just my belief. No sense in having morals really if you dont believe there is a God.