[Swaggy P]

None of it is myth Swaggy, some of it takes spiritual understanding.. but no myth


Again, thank you, you seem like a nice guy but I tell you the truth when I say buddha is not the way, listen to recon1 on this one or keep searching it out... spirits do run through these other religions though, islam, buddha, and so fourth, there all false, truth and love doesn't always come wrapped in a pretty box with a smile, now some can figure that saying ... Truth!... " you can't handle the truth! " it is life changing and transforming with a renewing of the mind, how we think and act, We need God with us and to show us or it can be overwhelming, I assure that...if I may ask, what made you go look to buddha ?

Buddhism is a very pragmatic and down to earth philosophy actually. Also predates Christianity by about 500 years. There are zero promises of eternal heaven or 72 virgins if only one "believes" Buddha always denied that he was a god when people asked him and told his disciples to never worship him but to instead follow the noble eightfold path (which basically consists of ethics, meditation and right livelihood) I have absolutely no idea how one could consider that to be run by "spirits" A demon named mara tried to tempt Buddha himself before he attained Nibbana under the bodhi tree.

[Swaggy P]

Also to answer your question on why I looked to Buddhism.

For knowledge and solid backed reasoning that western religions could not offer.

[brainfreeze]

Buddhism is a very pragmatic and down to earth philosophy actually. Also predates Christianity by about 500 years. There are zero promises of eternal heaven or 72 virgins if only one "believes" Buddha always denied that he was a god when people asked him and told his disciples to never worship him but to instead follow the noble eightfold path (which basically consists of ethics, meditation and right livelihood) I have absolutely no idea how one could consider that to be run by "spirits" A demon named mara tried to tempt Buddha himself before he attained Nibbana under the bodhi tree.

Meditation ? I would be careful with that... New age people don't know what they are getting themselves into, just search demons and meditating ...here's one source http://www.christiandoctrine.net/doc...tation_web.htm

trust me, you don't want nothing to do with that...


As for buddha before Christ, yes and no Jesus always was, He said before Abraham was, I AM... but he did " come through the flesh after buddha, but YAHWEH, as I've shown earlier was here way before buddha and will be here way after... All three God, the Son, and the Holy Ghost...so no, Buddhas late to the show, he wasn't here before Christ

[raydog]

ive had a handful of asian girlfriends that were buddhist .. they werent hardcore temple goers, but i learned a little about the religion... its premise... why buddha didnt believe in a God... the basics the religion gets across are not unlike others... be kind, loving, compassionate, understanding, forgiving, enlightened etc... you know, just try to be good.... although there some serious complexities to everything believed in the religion, its a fundamentally solid teacher of how to live/act right throughout life...

buddha didnt believe in living in fear and the idea that there were so many different religions with different gods with different books about them was one of the main reasons he wasnt a believer... although i honestly dont give it any thought unless i see this thread or my bible beating mother in law calls and starts in about the church, if i Had to be part of something, i would lean that way...

[raydog]

Meditation ? I would be careful with that... New age people don't know what they are getting themselves into, just search demons and meditating ...here's one source http://www.christiandoctrine.net/doc...tation_web.htm

trust me, you don't want nothing to do with that...


As for buddha before Christ, yes and no Jesus always was, He said before Abraham was, I AM... but he did " come through the flesh after buddha, but YAHWEH, as I've shown earlier was here way before buddha and will be here way after... All three God, the Son, and the Holy Ghost...so no, Buddhas late to the show, he wasn't here before Christ

hahaha... that article is part of whats wrong with christians... if your life doesnt involve God, they make up some asinine claims... meditation signals demons and opens you up to possession ..yada yada yada .. cmon man, that stuff is serious weaksauce

[Ghenghis Kahn]

now there are some christians that are claiming aliens are demons.

[brainfreeze]

hahaha... that article is part of whats wrong with christians... if your life doesnt involve God, they make up some asinine claims... meditation signals demons and opens you up to possession ..yada yada yada .. cmon man, that stuff is serious weaksauce

As I said type it in yourself and pick a source... Hindus and Buddhist do this... You know what else they have in common.... Killing themselves, http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-immolation

Do you think God wants you to do this ? No, He loves you...

[brainfreeze]

now there are some christians that are claiming aliens are demons.

No, because there is no such thing as a alien... Angels.... Even demons/fallen angels, they are real.. Those balls of light " UFO's " are real... A friend of mine has seen them and recorded, downtown at that... Yes it is real... No, it's not aliens...

[Ghenghis Kahn]

so you think aliens are demons and angels? oh boy...

[Ghenghis Kahn]

Do you think God wants you to do this ? No, He loves you...

but yet he has no problems sending innocent people to hell? what's wrong with this picture?

[Swaggy P]

buddha didnt believe in living in fear and the idea that there were so many different religions with different gods with different books about them was one of the main reasons he wasnt a believer... although i honestly dont give it any thought unless i see this thread or my bible beating mother in law calls and starts in about the church, if i Had to be part of something, i would lean that way...

I believe he belonged to a strict Hindu family (kshatriya warrior clan) before he ventured out of his mansion and experimented with a wide variety of different teachings from well known yogis who lived in India at the time. Until of course he was left unsatisfied and came up with his own way to achieve permanent bliss.

[Swaggy P]

Meditation ? I would be careful with that... New age people don't know what they are getting themselves into, just search demons and meditating ...here's one source http://www.christiandoctrine.net/doc...tation_web.htm

trust me, you don't want nothing to do with that...


As for buddha before Christ, yes and no Jesus always was, He said before Abraham was, I AM... but he did " come through the flesh after buddha, but YAHWEH, as I've shown earlier was here way before buddha and will be here way after... All three God, the Son, and the Holy Ghost...so no, Buddhas late to the show, he wasn't here before Christ

I'm not even going to answer to this. Just be happy with Jesus

[raydog]

i dont believe in et's/ufo's either, but visible angels/demons.... and your buddy has it recorded... by chance did your buddy take as much or more hallucinogens back in the day too? or still do them

oh dear, bf... you are going a little deeper into this bible stuff than i think any of us expected

[recon1]

hahaha... that article is part of whats wrong with christians... if your life doesnt involve God, they make up some asinine claims... meditation signals demons and opens you up to possession ..yada yada yada .. cmon man, that stuff is serious weaksauce

Good-luck to you ray dog. Hope you find the truth that fits you're particular needs.

[recon1]

so you think aliens are demons and angels? oh boy...

Nephilim

[brainfreeze]

oh dear, bf... you are going a little deeper into this bible stuff than i think any of us expected

Yes, he's even been interviewed by those "UFO " folks...

Here's a link
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2r_wf3HKdy8

No mushrooms for you friend.. Just a dose of truth, thinks that enough for today.

[raydog]

Good-luck to you ray dog. Hope you find the truth that fits you're particular needs.

and you too recon and seriously, i dont take feelings from one thread to another... while i might find you/others completely off in this thread, it never gets dragged into another thread about sportsbooks or the cowboys or whatever it might be... we might be side by side... some of the kids cant do it.. they think that if you are perceived as a moron in one thread, its war in every single thread you both enter...

this has been an enlightening decent thread for the last few pages...i have enjoyed it... i like the discussion and would love hearing more about what it is exactly that lead you christians to believe so deeply... i assume it has a lot to do with the upbringing and being told that god is the only way and the bible is 100% fact...

i remember i got in trouble one day for giving my group church leader some shit about the parting of red sea an noahs ark ... even being at an impressionable age, i was calling bullshit on that i didnt get to go on the field trip to monday night wrestling that week either.. was pissed

[Ghenghis Kahn]

Yes, he's even been interviewed by those "UFO " folks...

Here's a link
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2r_wf3HKdy8

No mushrooms for you friend.. Just a dose of truth, thinks that enough for today.

that looks like chinese lanterns to me.

[The Kraken]

Brainfreeze, your testimony is one I've encountered more than a few times over the years and one I'm intimately familiar with.

First and foremost, congrats on cleaning up your life.

However, being honest here, I'm very skeptical when I hear stories like that. What I hear is you chose the alternative to jail. And then found a new life and became addicted to it, much like you were addicted to weed prior.

Its very common for addicts to convert to Christianity and become "fanaticals". It's in their DNA, addictive personality.

like yourself, I used to get in a lot of trouble. Did a lot of drugs. Found God in high school. I went all out, got clean, read the bible religiously, went to three different bible studies a week.

then one day I thought "Kraken you gotta be honest with yourself here. Do you REALLY, truely believe in God? Is there proof that you believe? Is this the path you want to stay on?"

I contemplated the questions and my answers for some time and one day, I was finally able to be honest with myself, I did not believe in God.

Now that I've been out of church for 10 years I can look back at that time objectively and analyze it. And I realize for me if something is worth doing, it's worth becoming addicted to. That's my genetic makeup. It's my greatest strength and weakness.

What I learned from it all, my take away lesson, is to always always always be honest with yourself. Brutally honest.

[no1here]

What Is Real?

by Owen K Waters

What is real? What is there to hold on to?

One of the main reasons for experiencing life on Earth is to discover what is real.

We spend our lives coming here, going there, trying this and trying that. We acquire physical things and eventually let them go. Life’s experiences pass by like so much water under the bridge.

One constant in all of life’s ever-changing realities is the inner observer. This aspect of your inner self is present in all of life’s experiences, watching, learning, remembering. However, when you go even deeper than this, you reach the underlying basis of all consciousness, the awareness that, simply, you exist.
This fundamental awareness can be summarized in two words: “I am.”

The great “I Am” presence

You are one individual viewpoint of the great I Am, the consciousness of All That Is, the all-inclusive and all-embracing Infinite Being.
Consciousness is reality. Experiences may change from minute to minute, but underneath the flow of experiences lies that constant awareness, the sense of being that says, “I am.”
Life is about experiences which unfold at different locations in space and time. Space, however, is merely a construct of the Creator’s consciousness. The concept of space was created to allow an infinite variety of viewpoints to exist.
Time is also a construct of consciousness. Time enables change within space, making events and experiences possible.
Is physical matter a construct of consciousness? Matter is composed of energy, and energy, like all things in life, is a construct of consciousness.

The definition of energy

Energy is compressed consciousness.

Each unit of energy is formed by counter-rotating vortices of Intent. These vortices push together to form a tiny sphere of compressed consciousness within their center, which becomes a particle of living energy.
Intent and Love in motion are the original, fundamental principles used in Infinite Being’s creation of the universe. Like thought and feeling, these aspects of being operate as complements to each other, and yet each one can be defined as an underlying, fundamental principle. When intent, the principle of thought, and love, the principle of feeling, are set into motion, then one invokes the other. The same complementary action occurs in electromagnetism when electricity is set into motion. The electrons – particles of compressed, original Intent – invoke a complementary magnetic field within the fabric of space.
The fabric of space is created by the Love aspect of the Creator. Love is the aspect of Infinite Being which provides the supportive matrix upon which all else is built. From the point of view of physics, the fabric of space would be defined as pure, inert, magnetic energy. Or, at least, it would be if physics had gotten around to defining it yet. It used to be called the aether, but its properties were not fully understood at the time. Physics, for the most part, does not currently believe in the aether, does not currently believe in a Creator of the universe, and, as a result, has no idea why particles of energy exhibit signs of consciousness.

The original Creation

Before the original Creation occurred, Infinite Being formed an expression of itself which was to become the Creator of the universe. Then, as the One Creator, it focused its Intent, expressed its Love, and brought these two aspects of Itself into motion. All of the universe was built upon these underlying principles, which make possible the facets of Creation such as time, space, energy and matter.
A universe in motion makes possible the changes we call experience. But if life is constantly changing, then what is there to hold on to? What is unchangingly real?
Unchanging reality is to be found beneath those fundamental aspects of the Creator’s Intent and Love in motion. Infinite Being is the underlying reality. Infinite Being is all that is, it never changes. Being is pure potential, whereas doing is the acting out of that potential.
The underlying reality of Infinite Being is complete beingness. Infinite Being is real. It never changes. It always is; just is.
How do you connect with reality? By meditating, by using the affirmation, “I am Infinite Being,” you can build your connection daily to the true reality which lies within you.
When you make spirituality your number one priority at the start of each day, then daily meditation becomes a habit, something which occurs with ease. By building that inner bridge to reality, you are empowering your own potential and also helping to shift the global mind towards enlightenment.

[no1here]

The Joy of a Soul Connection

by Owen Waters
When we tune into the soul level of consciousness, we find that there is much more to achieving personal happiness than to anything related to external events. Real joy comes from within, from an unending source which is divine in origin.
The creative will of the Divine Father aspect of God merged in perfect union with the everlasting love of the Divine Mother aspect of God together fill the universe with total, unadulterated, blissful joy!
The greatest discovery of a person who regularly practices meditation is that, one day, the door will open to this unending supply of blissful joy. On that day, the spiritual seeker knows, beyond all shadow of any doubt, that God lies silently within all things and all consciousness. We are a part of that Divine Oneness, and it is through the joy of soul consciousness that we realize this connection.
Remember that your soul consciousness is your complete, inner consciousness. Your daily, conscious awareness, on the other hand, is focused on the outside world for a purpose. The true purpose is so that we can find our way back to that from which we came, even though we are spiritually “blindfolded,” so to speak. The game of life on Earth is played so that we can experience the rediscovery of that joyous connection to the oneness from which we originally came.
All the happiness in the world pales in comparison with the supreme joy of that inner connection. Soul-inspired joy is lasting happiness. It has no beginning and no end because it is always there, just as God is always there, within each and every one of us.

[no1here]

The Ultimate Meditation

by Owen K Waters
Peace can sometimes be so far away, and inner bliss… even farther away.
Take the time now to spend some real quality time by going within. Find that sense of peace that lies within. Visit the place where inner bliss dwells and waits patiently for your return.
Let yourself unwind and compose yourself for a few precious moments of peace. Remember that your mind is much more far-reaching than your physical brain. Your mind, as consciousness, is nonphysical, while your brain is just the physical translator of your consciousness.
Your mind, therefore, always has the ability to tell your brain;
“Shsh! It’s meditation time!”
Focus your mind away from the clutter of day-to-day living and turn your attention inwards to the peaceful core of your inner being. Then think of the deepest possible state of consciousness.
And what could that state be?
It is the state of consciousness known as Infinite Being. The word Infinite reflects the idea of ultimate, while the word Being refers to a state of awareness, rather than a doing activity. Infinite Being is infinite consciousness without a focus upon any specific activity.
Infinite Being doesn’t have to do anything, it already is everything.
It is important to appreciate that the state of Infinite Being is not “out there” somewhere external to us. Infinite Being encompasses all consciousness, including all manifestation. We are that consciousness, as is everything else in existence.
The Most Powerful Affirmation
In meditation practices, affirmations are often used to focus the mind. By simply repeating the words, “I am,” you affirm your true nature as consciousness. In the case of the Infinite Being meditation, we affirm our innermost identity as the ultimate, infinite consciousness.
The affirmation “I am Infinite Being” is the most powerful affirmation possible within the English language.
The phrase “I am Infinite Being” is an affirmation of your oneness with the ultimate potential, the source of all life, the consciousness from which all life sprang. You are one with that universal consciousness. Everything in manifestation is one with that universal consciousness. Now is the time to consciously affirm your ultimate potential. It may take courage to begin with, but the results are more than worth the effort.
If you find issues arising, such as a feeling of unworthiness in your alignment with the ‘All That Is,’ with Infinite Being, just let those thoughts go, then gently bring your mind back into focus upon the affirmation. You do not have to justify the words, or settle any internal argument about them, just because of some prior conditioning as to how someone said you “should” think in this life. Think independently, think infinitely, and you will connect with the consciousness of your ultimate potential.
Have the inner discipline to stay with the affirmation and let any issues fade away unchallenged. Your inner self knows the meaning of the words and resonates in joy with their exact and literal truth. Every time you make this affirmation, you become more connected with Infinite Being. Any lesser thoughts are then healed within the light of greater truth.
Find a quiet space to sit down for a few minutes, close your eyes, and start looking for the quiet space within. To keep your brain occupied with the task at hand, focus your attention on the slow, even flow of your breath as it passes in and out of your nostrils.
As you breathe each in-breath, mentally repeat the affirmation “I am Infinite Being.”
On the out-breath, simply allow your attention to follow the flow of air from your nostrils. To induce an immediate calming effect, allow each out-breath to take longer than each in-breath.
Life energy, also known as etheric energy, is conditioned primarily within the human spinal column. From there it is distributed to the rest of the body via the subtle nervous system. Most key functions in the human body owe their operation primarily to the supply of etheric life energy, rather than to the supply of electrical energy. Etheric energy, like consciousness, is non-physical and yet it is behind all life.
To help enhance the natural flow of life energy within your spine while performing this meditation it is preferable to sit upright in an erect chair. As you progress with this meditation, the natural flow of life energy within your spine will become enhanced, bringing an enlivened awareness to your consciousness.
When distracting thoughts arise – which they will – treat them with patience and understanding. Put each distracting thought aside so that you can continue with the Infinite Being meditation. If a thought seems important or urgent, then it will be sure to return later, after your meditation session has finished.
There are a number of ways to enhance your meditation experience. One is to reserve a small space, such as the corner of a quiet room, where only meditation is conducted. That space then becomes more conducive to a meditation environment. A small table or surface can be covered with items that you connect with spiritual practice. Candles and incense are especially useful as they provide some initial focus for the senses.
It also helps to always use the same chair, one that is constructed primarily of a non-metallic material. Metal chairs attract etheric life energy away from you, which is great for the chair, but not so good for the meditation session.
A small clock completes your setting, and clean, light clothing, reserved especially for meditation, further enhances the atmosphere. A shower or bath before meditation is very valuable, as water is a powerful cleanser. If, for example, you have just come home from a hectic day at work, then your energy body will be filled with the distractions of the day, stored in etheric energy form.
The water that cleanses you in a shower or bath not only cleanses you of physical impurities, but, more importantly, it also cleanses the etheric energy impurities that do not belong in your energy body.
The reason that water is such an effective energy cleanser lies in its chemical composition. Water consists of H₂O – hydrogen and oxygen. Oxygen is not just a chemical that the body needs. Its greater role is to carry life-giving, etheric energy. When you shower, your etheric body is being washed with the water’s flow of cleansing, etheric energy.
Make Spirituality Your Number One Priority
The best investment of your time each day is to spend 20 minutes in meditation. Make the time for this to happen. Make it the day’s first priority. The easiest habit to adopt is one which makes up the first activity of the day. Making it a routine will also reinforce the effects of the meditation.
If you are hungry to the point of distraction before a meditation session, then have some light refreshment, such as fruit or juice. Conversely, a full stomach after a heavy meal will have a deadening effect upon the higher possibilities of your meditation session, so plan to eat any large meals at least two hours ahead.
The Aims of the Infinite Being Meditation

• To quiet your daily brain activity by focusing on rhythmic activities that induce a spiritual focus.
• To affirm your connection to the highest possible state of awareness.
• To charge your system with additional life energy through controlled breathing.
• To create a Being Space, where your consciousness can move easily into the experience of your inner state of being.

The Complete Infinite Being Meditation Technique

1. Take a few moments to completely relax your physical body. Sit in an upright chair with your eyes closed, then clench your feet, toes and leg muscles. Release the tension and let your feet and legs relax completely. Do the same clench-and-release process for your stomach, chest and back; then your arms and hands; then your neck and face.
2. In preparation, take three deep breaths and exhale each one completely.
3. Now focus your attention on the slow, even flow of breath as it passes in and out of your nostrils.
4. As you breathe each in-breath, mentally repeat the affirmation,
   “I am Infinite Being.”
   
5. On the out-breath, allow your attention to follow the flow of air from your nostrils. To induce an immediate calming effect, slow each out-breath and allow it to take up to twice as long as each in-breath.
6. To make a space for your consciousness to dip into the experience of being, pause at the end of the out-breath. Hold the breath out of your body until you feel the need to inhale again. This will typically be for around three seconds, sometimes less. When you are in this motionless quiet space, don’t think, just be. Subtle impressions may arise from your inner self in this Being Space. The end of each breathing cycle is your personal communion space with your inner being. Ignore surface mental noise – words and feelings that jump into your attention – and maintain your focus upon the quiet inner space and subtle impressions of higher consciousness. Nothing loud comes from your inner being. Focus your awareness upon your inner silence. With practice, this is a time when great insights and inspiration quietly dawn upon your awareness.
7. Repeat this cycle of breathing and being for 20 minutes.

Remember
The affirmation “I am Infinite Being” is the most powerful affirmation possible within the English language.
An effective meditation technique opens the door to more inspiration, love and creativity into your life.
Happy surfing upon the realms of spiritual awareness!

[Big Bear]

God is not a liberal kinda place where everyone gets a trophy. Just gotta accept the gift Jesus offers confess your sins and turn away from them. Really is pretty simple. He's not expecting perfection from us, just repentance.

exactly

[Swaggy P]

this has been an enlightening decent thread for the last few pages...i have enjoyed it... i like the discussion and would love hearing more about what it is exactly that lead you christians to believe so deeply... i assume it has a lot to do with the upbringing and being told that god is the only way and the bible is 100% fact...

That's true for most cases. Most folks would rather just go by their family traditions and bury their heads in the sand without having to critically evaluate their religions. That's good enough for them.

[brainfreeze]

Brainfreeze, your testimony is one I've encountered more than a few times over the years and one I'm intimately familiar with.

First and foremost, congrats on cleaning up your life.

However, being honest here, I'm very skeptical when I hear stories like that. What I hear is you chose the alternative to jail. And then found a new life and became addicted to it, much like you were addicted to weed prior.

Its very common for addicts to convert to Christianity and become "fanaticals". It's in their DNA, addictive personality.

like yourself, I used to get in a lot of trouble. Did a lot of drugs. Found God in high school. I went all out, got clean, read the bible religiously, went to three different bible studies a week.

then one day I thought "Kraken you gotta be honest with yourself here. Do you REALLY, truely believe in God? Is there proof that you believe? Is this the path you want to stay on?"

I contemplated the questions and my answers for some time and one day, I was finally able to be honest with myself, I did not believe in God.

Now that I've been out of church for 10 years I can look back at that time objectively and analyze it. And I realize for me if something is worth doing, it's worth becoming addicted to. That's my genetic makeup. It's my greatest strength and weakness.

What I learned from it all, my take away lesson, is to always always always be honest with yourself. Brutally honest.

Trust me Kraken, overnight.... Nothing, I even kept smoking weed for a little while after, didn't know if it was acceptable to him or not, it's a plant grown from the ground right ?... Poisonous snakes are on the ground to, doesn't mean we should pick them up... but when I did decide to stop again, I did it so easily, I've been to jail and even on parole didn't care... but now I can drop it literally like a " bad habit " ... I hold the power because of He who is in me now.. and trust me you've never heard a testimony like that, running into what I ran into, it was pure evil what I'm up against... God calmed me... I have a peace that only dead men should have...

Yes, I am addicted to God, because he's the source of all life, He's the true King, I'm in his line as royalty as all his children are. I've been in a lot of situation in my life, I come from the streets. I've seen a lot, I've done a lot, and I'm telling you what I speak of is no joke, God is real. It's up to you if you want to believe in Him or not, if you ever really want to know, search it out for real, with all your heart,...

[brainfreeze]

that looks like chinese lanterns to me.

Look at this video, and then look at the other.... You tell me the difference, it looks like they were interacting with each other... No lanterns ..

[Ghenghis Kahn]

i did watch it. same color same shape. and they move like chinese lanterns. sorry pal, they're not demons or fallen angels.

i'm pretty sure they're chinese lanterns.

[jtoler]

lol.

[brainfreeze]

i did watch it. same color same shape. and they move like chinese lanterns. sorry pal, they're not demons or fallen angels.

i'm pretty sure they're chinese lanterns.

Are these just lanterns, Kahn ? Just type in Arizona UFO's ...tell me how many different siting you see...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=51D_l82B4KI

[Ghenghis Kahn]

Are these just lanterns, Kahn ? Just type in Arizona UFO's ...tell me how many different siting you see...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=51D_l82B4KI

not sure what those are but one you posted before certainly seems like chinese lanterns.

honestly though, this day and age too many cgi fakes to tell what's real and what's fake.

[brainfreeze]

not sure what those are but one you posted before certainly seems like chinese lanterns.

honestly though, this day and age too many cgi fakes to tell what's real and what's fake.

True, because they're turning the place into fantasy land.... Just look at what they did with this new movie " the interview "... A movie!! ... Trying to make a real life event and actions taking place because of what ?... A fantasy land flick... The world is in a dark place, full of falsities

[brainfreeze]

That's exactly the way they want it... They don't want you to know what's real and what's fake anymore.... Even women " hence " transgenders....

[raydog]

obvious chinese balloons in new orleans and obvious night skydivers with flares in az...read the comments and then go watch more of their videos... cmon, bf.. you are going to have to do a little better than this homey

[brainfreeze]

obvious chinese balloons in new orleans and obvious night skydivers with flares in az...read the comments and then go watch more of their videos... cmon, bf.. you are going to have to do a little better than this homey

As I said ... That's not the only one just do a search, a few of them were in the news in Arizona and everything, if you want to believe comments, up to you, I'm telling you those balls of light are real, but they are no aliens ... Here's an interesting one though,
" over the dome of the rock " in Jerusalem.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m6737MHrReg

is this a skydiver, or maybe a lantern ? ... Com'on Raydog ...

[jtoler]

Never trust people and their cameras.