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    Holocaust is a big HOAX. ))) IT NEVER HAPPENED (((





    Moshe Peer's astounding Holy Shoah tale - Gassed six times by the Nazis and survived!! - Claims people were murdered in gas chambers at Bergen-Belsen











    As a young boy at the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp, Moshe Peer says he was sent to the gas chambers at least six times.

    To this day, Moshe doesn't know how he survived.

    He still has nightmares about the horror.

    Moshe is most angry that the entire world, as he says, "stood by and let it happen."

    The entire world is guilty of the Hoaxacaust, and should never forget and never allow it to happen again.









    Surviving the horror

    Author recounts experiences in Nazi concentration camp


    Karen Seidman
    THE MONTREAL GAZETTE
    August 5, 1993

    ST. LAURENT - As an 11 year-old boy held captive at the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp during World War II, Moshe Peer was sent to the gas chamber at least six times. Each time he survived, watching with horrors as many of the women and children gassed with him collapsed and died. To this day, Peer doesn’t know how he was able to survive. “Maybe children resist better, I don’t know,” he said in an interview last week.

    Spent 19 years on book

    Now 60, Peer has spent the last 19 years writing a first-person account of the horror he witnessed at Bergen Belsen. On Sunday, he spoke to about 300 young adults at the Petah Tikva Sephardic Congregation in St. Laurent about his book and his experience as a Holocaust survivor.

    The gathering was part of the synagogue’s Shabbaton 93, which brought together young adults from across North America for a cultural and social experience.

    Called Inoubliable Bergen-Belsen (Unforgettable Bergen-Belsen), Peer wrote the book to make the reader feel like a witness at the scene. But he admits he can never recreate for anyone the living hell he experienced. “The conditions in the camp is indescribable,” Peer said. “You can’t bring home the horror.”

    In 1942, at age 9, Peer and his younger brother and sister were arrested by police in their homeland of France. His mother was sent to Auschwitz and never returned.

    Peer and his siblings were sent to Bergen-Belsen two years later. He recalls the separation from his parents as excruciating. But surviving the horrors of the camp quickly became a priority.

    “There were pieces of corpses lying around and there were bodies lying there, some alive and some dead,” Peer recalled.

    “Bergen-Belsen was worse than Auschwitz because there people were gassed right away so they didn’t suffer a long time.”

    Peer said Russian prisoners were kept in an open-air camp “like stallions” and were given no food or water. “Some people went mad with hunger and turned to cannibalism,” Peer said.

    Peer’s day began with a roll call of the numbered prisoners. This could last as long as five hours, while their captors calculated how many prisoners had died. Anyone who fell over during the roll call was beaten on the spot.

    After roll call, the prisoners returned to their barracks, where they were given a tiny piece of bread and some coloured water.

    Peer and his siblings - who all survived - were cared for at the camp by two women, whom Peer has unsuccessful tried to find.

    Children being children, they did play, sometimes chasing each other around the barracks. But there would always be some who were too sick or weak to get up.

    Reunited with father

    After the war, Peer was reunited with his father in Paris and the family moved to Israel. Peer’s four children were born in Israel, but after serving in the Israeli army in a number of wars, Peer moved to Montreal in 1974.

    Even 49 years later, Peer is still haunted by his concentration-camp experience and still finds his memories keep him awake at night.

    But what he is most bitter about is the way the rest of world stood by and let it happen.

    “No one told the Germans not to do it. They had the permission of world,” he said.


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    Wow. People will try and find conspiracies in just about anything.

    The 5 million Jewish adults and 1 million Jewish children that were killed must have been in on it.
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    pronk do you believe in god?

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    Wake up and smell a coffee Kermit. There was probably no 5 million jews living in entire Europe 70 years ago. Take a time and watch this video and in a day or two tell us what you think.


    Most horrific Holy Hoax tale yet: Per Joseph Hertz, Chief Rabbi of the British Empire: "Nazis used babies as balls for soccer/football matches"!


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    Douglas Reed quoted the following Holy Hoax tale in his 1943 book Lest We Regret.

    On December 16, 1942, in his column in the Daily Herald, Hannen Swaffer quoted verbatim from the manuscript of an address made by Joseph Hertz, Chief Rabbi of the British Empire.

    Hannen Swaffer

    WAR'S WORST HORROR

    DELIBERATELY I omitted from my report if the Chief Rabbi's address last Sunday, the most sensational paragraphs.

    I could not hear them clearly enough. I wanted to see the manuscript and to know the source of his information.

    For, as Dr Hertz himself said, some of the stories sound "unbelievable." Yet so is all Nazidom!

    Babies As Footballs !

    HERE, copied from the Chief Rabbi's manuscript, is a verbatim extract:—

    "On July 27 all the Jewish inhabitants of a town near Kiev were ordered to the stadium. The women, of whom there were about 500, were instructed to hold their little children in their arms.

    A few minutes after we had all assembled, an eyewitness declares, a group of German soldiers in football attire entered the stadium. They snatched the infants from their mothers' arms and used them as footballs, bouncing and kicking them around the arena.

    Soon the ground was drenched with blood and the stadium was filled with anguished cries of women driven insane as they saw their children being murdered before their eyes."

    Neroism Reborn

    NEVER since the days of the martyrdom of Christians in the Colosseum by Nero has such a story been told.

    Yet Dr. Hertz never allows himself to be led into over-statement, even in the flash of oratory. He is most most reserved in his utterance.

    He spoke too as the religious head of a great community and in the presence of its leaders—M.P.s. University professors, doctors of distinction and the Lord Mayor of London.

    He would not jeopardise, I know, a case presented to the world by one exaggeration.

    Voice of Authority

    WHAT is the Chief Rabbi's authority? He has quoted a story told to the Soviet newspapers by Abraham Fivusovitch, a 26-year-old Russian soldier now fighting on the Stalingrad front. He gives the name of the village—Pogrehistchi.

    It is now circulated by the World Jewish Congress, which is urging the United Nations to action in the vain hope of minimising the Horror [sic], and of the British section of which the Marchioness of Reading is president, and Professor Brodetsky, Jewry's first Senior Wrangler, and Philip Guedalla vice-presidents.

    Daily Herald, December 16, 1942, p.3.


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    Yanina Cywinska's bizarre Holyhoax tale: At 10 years old, I dragged bodies out of the Auschwitz gas chambers, survived being gassed, survived 5 days with no water




    Yanina autographs copies of her book.



    Yanina Cywinska has improved her Holy Hoax fairy tale.


    Summary:

    At only 10 years old, Yanina was taken to Auschwitz.

    Her job at Auschwitz was as a "sonderkommando", in which she had to drag dead bodies out of the gassum chambers.

    One day she was horrified to see that she had pulled her own mother out of the chamber!

    Another time Yanina says she was forced by the Nazis to dig a big ditch that was to serve as their own mass grave. They worked digging the ditch for five days without any food or water!

    The Nazis tried to holocaust her by shooting her and then dumping her into the mass grave. But the firing squad's bullets missed! The Nazis then pulled her out of the ditch and took her to Auschwitz for holocausting.

    Yanina was then taken to the gas chamber to be deathed. She held her father's hand inside the gas chamber as he died!

    Yanina passed out inside the gas chamber, but somehow survived! Carbon monoxide was used, and not Zyklon B. She was then secretly resuscitated by an inmate!

    Yanina now lives in the United States and spends her time telling her fairy tale to young school children.

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    Jews were genocided at Auschwitz by rail cars that dumped people directly into the ovens















    Source: Winston Smith Ministry of Truth






    Everything that follows is a direct quote from a report on Auschwitz-Birkenau, by the United States (Jewish) War Refugee Board in 1945:





    "800 to 900 yards from the place where the ovens were, the prisoners were squeezed into little cars that ran on rails. In Auschwitz these cars had various dimensions and could hold up to 15 people. As soon as a car was loaded, it would be set in motion on an inclined plane that traveled at full speed down a corridor. At the end of the corridor there was a wall, and in the wall was the door to the oven. As soon as the car hit the wall, the door opened automatically, and the car would dip forward and pitch its cargo of living people into the oven. Right behind it came another car, and so on."








    Actual photograph of the rail car dumping jews into the oven:










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    "Auschwitz-Birkenau" document supplied by "Executive of the War Refugee Board"

    Inside the Concentration Camps: Eyewitness Accounts of Life in Hitler's Death Camps (1946) by Eugene Aroneanu, Page 132

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    "A Year in Treblinka" by By Yankel Wiernik - Babies torn in half, woman leaps 10 ft barbed-wire fence, guards nail inmates' ears to walls, etc





    Yankel Wiernik while building a model of Treblinka for the Ghetto Fighters' House Holocaust and Jewish Resistance Heritage Museum, Israel.


    Another must read, and one for the Holohoax Tales Hall of Fame.

    Yankel Wiernik was a polish jew and alleged former inmate at Treblinka. Wiernik wrote a book called "A Year in Treblinka", which is described as "the first eyewitness report" of life in the camp, and is one of the key "eyewitness testimonies" used as "evidence" of the alleged atrocities committed in the camp.

    From reading this tale, it is obvious that Vasily Grossman relied heavily on Wiernik's "eyewintess" account for his own article on Treblinka, "The Hell of Treblinka" . Perhaps Vasily and Wiernik even got together and cooked up these tales in Warsaw after the war.

    Wiernik says he was a carpenter and helped build the gas chambers and other buildings at the camp, that he lead Jews to the execution chambers, and that he dragged corpses from the gas chambers to the mass graves.

    Like Vasily's story, Wiernik's fable is sophomoric and deamonizes the Germans as subhuman "barabarians", "beasts", "fiends", and even "hyenas."

    Wiernik claims that a motor taken from a dismantled Soviet tank was used for gassings, 1200 people fit into a 7 meter X 7 meter gas chamber, and the corpses of men would not burn but the corpses of women burned easily and were "used for kindling."

    Wiernik says that he saw a naked Jewish girl leap over a three-meter (10 ft.) high barbed wire fence, wrench the rifle out of the hands of a pursuing guard, and shoot two guards before she was overpowered.

    He claims one German guard named Sepp would "frequently snatch children from their mother's arms and tear the child in half", and that the infamous Ukranian guard "Ivan the terrible" would nail the ears of inmates to the walls.

    Wiernik describes a giant machine that could excavate 3,000 corpses at one time, and huge open-air pyres used to burn 10,000 to 12,000 corpses at one time.

    Excerpts from the book:

    On why he tells wrote this fable...to cause people to hate the Germans for "centuries and generations to come":


    The world must be told of the infamy of those barbarians, so that centuries and generations to come can execrate them. And, it is I who shall cause it to happen. No imagination, no matter how daring, could possibly conceive of anything like that which I have seen and lived through.

    -Chapter 1
    Yes, of course...no one, especially a jew, could fabricate a story such as this, or even exaggerate what really occured.



    A Ukranian guard named Ivan would nail the inmates' ears to walls...


    The machinery of the gas chambers was operated by two Ukrainians. One of them, Ivan, was tall, and though his eyes seemed kind and gentle, he was a sadist. He enjoyed torturing his victims. He would often pounce upon us while we were working; he would nail our ears to the walls or make us lie down on the floor and whip us brutally. While he did this, his face showed sadistic satisfaction and he laughed and joked. He finished off the victims according to his mood at the moment. The other Ukrainian was called Nicholas. He had a pale face and the same mentality as Ivan.

    -Chapter 5
    John Demjanuk, a Ukranian born US citizen, was extradited to Israel and tried as this "Ivan" (the terrible). He was identified by five 'eyewitnesses' and sentenced to death. As it turned out, forged documents were used to extradite Demjanuk, and, he actually never set foot in Treblinka. His conviction was overturned, and he was eventually freed. The 'eyewitnesses' at the trail were also pathological liars.


    On the "gas chambers":


    A motor taken from a dismantled Soviet tank stood in the power plant. This motor was used to pump the gas, which was let into the chambers by connecting the motor with the inflow pipes.

    -Chapter 5

    The new construction job between Camp No. 1 and Camp No. 2, on which I had been working, was completed in a very short time. It turned out that we were building ten additional gas chambers, more spacious than the old ones, 7 by 7 meters or about 50 square meters. As many as 1,000 to 1,200 persons could be crowded into one gas chamber.

    -Chapter 7

    German guard who would tear babies in half:


    One of the Germans, a man named Sepp, was a vile and savage beast, who took special delight in torturing children. When he pushed women around and they begged him to stop because they had children with them, he would frequently snatch a child from the woman's arms and either tear the child in half or grab it by the legs, smash its head against a wall and throw the body away. Such incidents were by no means isolated. Tragic scenes of this kind occurred all the time.

    -Chapter 7

    Wiernik says the new gas chambers, which he helped build, had a defective motor used to supply the gas, so it took "hours" for the victims to die. Sounds like German engineering and efficiency to me.


    As I have already indicated, there was not much space in the gas chambers. People were smothered simply by overcrowding. The motor which generated the gas in the new chambers was defective, and so the helpless victims had to suffer for hours on end before they died. Satan himself could not have devised a more fiendish torture. When the chambers were opened again, many of the victims were only half dead and had to be finished off with rifle butts, bullets or powerful kicks.

    -Chapter 7

    Wiernik says "often the jews were left in the gas chambers overnight without the gassed turned on":


    Often people were kept in the gas chambers overnight with the motor not turned on at all. Overcrowding and lack of air killed many of them in a very painful way. However, many survived the ordeal of such nights; particularly the children showed a remarkable degree of resistance. They were still alive when they were dragged out of the chambers in the morning, but revolvers used by the Germans made short work of them....

    -Chapter 7


    The woman who jumped over a 10 foot fence:


    On one occasion a girl fell out of line. Nude as she was, she leaped over a barbed wire fence three meters high, and tried to escape in our direction. The Ukrainians noticed this and started to pursue her. One of them almost reached her but he was too close to her to shoot, and she wrenched the rifle from his hands. It wasn't easy to open fire since there were guards all around and there was the danger that one of the guards might be hit. But as the girl held the gun, it went off and killed one of the Ukrainians. The Ukrainians were furious. In her fury, the girl struggled with his comrades. She managed to fire another shot, which hit another Ukrainian, whose arm subsequently had to be amputated. At last they seized her. She paid dearly for her courage. She was beaten, bruised, spat upon, kicked and finally killed. She was our nameless heroine.

    -Chapter 8

    On Himmler's order to dig up and cremate the corpses...women corposes burned easily and were "used for kindling", male corpses would not burn, even after soaked in gasoline....whenever an airplane was sighted overhead, all work was stopped, the corpses were covered with foliage as camouflage against aerial observation.


    But there were new events to upset our emotional balance. This was the period when the Germans talked a lot about Katyn1) , which they used for anti-Soviet propaganda purposes. One day, by accident, we got hold of a newspaper from which we learned about that mass killing. It was probably these reports that made Himmler decide to visit Treblinka personally and to give orders that henceforth all the corpses of inmates should be cremated. There were plenty of corpses to cremate-there was no one who could have been blamed for the Treblinka killings except the Germans who, for the time being, were the masters of the land which they had wrested from us [Poles] by brute force. They did not want any evidence of the mass murders left.

    At any rate, the cremations were promptly begun. The corpses of men, women, children and old people were exhumed from the mass graves. Whenever such a grave was opened, a terrible stench rose from them, because the bodies were already in an advanced stage of decomposition.

    [...]

    Work was begun to cremate the dead. It turned out that bodies of women burned more easily than those of men. Accordingly, the bodies of women were used for kindling the fires. Since cremation was hard work, rivalry set in between the labor details as to which of them would be able to cremate the largest number of bodies. Bulletin boards were rigged up and daily scores were recorded. Nevertheless, the results were very poor. The corpses were soaked in gasoline. This entailed considerable expense and the results were inadequate; the male corpses simply would not burn . Whenever an airplane was sighted overhead, all work was stopped, the corpses were covered with foliage as camouflage against aerial observation.

    It was a terrifying sight, the most gruesome ever beheld by human eyes. When corpses of pregnant women were cremated, their bellies would burst open. The fetus would be exposed and could be seen burning inside the mother's womb.


    -Chapter 9


    Burning the corpses in pits was not going fast enough, so they used a huge excavation machine that could dig up 3,000 bodies at once, and the giant outdoor hibachis:


    Then, one day, an Oberscharfuhrer wearing an SS badge arrived at the camp and introduced a veritable inferno. He was about 45 years old, of medium height, with a perpetual smile on his face. His favorite word was "tadellos [perfect]" and that is how he got the by-name Tadellos. His face looked kind and did not show the depraved soul behind it. He got pure pleasure watching the corpses burn; the sight of the flames licking at the bodies was precious to him, and he would literally caress the scene with his eyes.

    This is the way in which he got the inferno started. He put a machine for exhuming the corpses into operation, an excavator which could dig up 3,000 corpses at one time. A fire grate made of railroad tracks was placed on concrete foundations 100 to 150 meters in length. The workers piled the corpses on the grate and set them on fire.

    I am no longer a young man and have seen a great deal in my lifetime, but not even Lucifer could possibly have created a hell worse than this. Can you picture a grate of this length piled high with 3,000 corpses of people who had been alive only a short time before? As you look at their faces it seems as if at any moment these bodies might awaken from their deep sleep. But at a given signal a giant torch is lit and it burns with a huge flame. If you stood close enough, you could well imagine hearing moans from the lips of the sleeping bodies, children sitting up and crying for their mothers. You are overwhelmed by horror and pain, but you stand there just the same without saying anything. The gangsters are standing near the ashes, shaking with satanic laughter. Their faces radiate a truly satanic satisfaction. They toasted the scene with brandy and with the choicest liqueurs, ate, caroused and had a great time warming themselves by the fire.

    Thus the Jews were of some use to them even after they had died. Though the winter weather was bitter cold, the pyres gave off heat like an oven. This heat came from the burning bodies of Jews. The hangmen stood warming themselves by the fire, drinking, eating and singing. Gradually, the fire began to die down, leaving only ashes which went to fertilize the silent soil. Human blood and human ashes - what food for the soil! There will be a rich harvest. If only the soil could talk! It knows a lot but it keeps quiet.

    Day in and day out the workers handled the corpses and collapsed from physical exhaustion and mental anguish. And while they suffered, the hearts of the fiends were filled with pride and pleasure in the hell they had created. It gave light and warmth, and at the same time it obliterated every trace of the victims, while our own hearts bled. The Oberscharfuhrer who had created this inferno sat by the fire, laughing, caressing it with his eyes and saying, "tadellos [perfect]!" To him, these flames represented the fulfillment of his perverted dreams and wishes.

    The cremation of the corpses proved an unqualified success. Because they were in a hurry, the Germans built additional fire grates and augmented the crews serving them, so that from 10,000 to 12,000 corpses were cremated at one time. The result was one huge inferno, which from the distance looked like a volcano breaking through the earth's crust to belch forth fire and lava. The pyres sizzled and crackled. The smoke and heat made it impossible to remain close by. It lasted a long time because there were more than half a million dead to dispose of.


    -Chapter 9


    Sometimes they just bypassed the gas chambers, and killed the jews right beside the giant hibachi pyres. Children were wrenched from mothers and thrown into the flames alive...


    In April, 1943, transports began to come in from Warsaw. We were told that 600 men in Warsaw were working in Camp No. 1; this report turned out to be based on fact. At the time a typhus epidemic was raging in Camp No. 1. Those who got sick were killed. Three women and one man from the Warsaw transport came to us. The man was the husband of one of the three women. The Warsaw people were treated with exceptional brutality, the women even more harshly than the men. Women with children were separated from the others, led up to the fires and, after the murderers had had their fill of watching the terror-stricken women and children, they killed them right by the pyre and threw them into the flames. This happened quite frequently. The women fainted from fear and the brutes dragged them to the fire half dead. Panic-stricken, the children clung to their mothers. The women begged for mercy, with eyes closed so as to shut out the grisly scene, but their tormentors only leered at them and kept their victims in agonizing suspense for minutes on end. While one batch of women and children were being killed, others were left standing around, waiting their turn. Time and time again children were snatched from their mothers' arms and tossed into the flames alive, while their tormentors laughed, urging the mothers to be brave and jump into the fire after their children and mocking the women for being cowards.

    -Chapter 10

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    Pronk, if you put this effort into this thread, you must spend a shit load of time capping games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I/O View Post
    Pronk, if you put this effort into this thread, you must spend a shit load of time capping games.
    You betcha I/O. The truth shall set you free!

    http://expeltheparasite.com/2013/10/...ever-happened/

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    Pronk what is your address? I am sending you a copy of the Book of Mormon. You need some peace and understanding in your life.

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    Who needs 10 wives Innovation?

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    We all brother from another mother.

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    Pronk, hit the showers if you get my drift

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    it was a mini one, the biggest one of all time that nobody talks about happened in russia
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    TT, ashkenazies died like everyone else: some fighting, others from pandemic, starvation and some were executed as insurgents. Wars have casualties. About 10 million germans died during that crummy war, over 20 million russians also paid the price. So did poles, italians, serbs, french, gypsies and britishers.
    Holocaust is a multi billion dollar brand was cooked up by some very sick, twisted and disturbed lowlives about 6 years after the end of WW2.
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    Seems like there would be an easy way to support or refute the 6 million Jews died claim

    Kind of like back testing a sports betting strategy, randomly select 1000 individual records prewar of Jews in France, Germany, and Poland

    See if you can find records of them post war there or in Israel, the US, Canada, or other countries where many Jews emigrated

    I'm sure there are holes that need to be filled in this strategy but if you come up with 10 post war records out of 1000 prewar you know it was a holocaust, if you find 825 out of 1000 then something stinks

    I have been to Germany several times and have witnessed a hatred of Jews but it is pretty hush hush these days. I'm not sure if it is a racial hatred or a resentment of the bad PR the newer generations deal with now. It is illegal to deny the holocaust in Germany, and Germans, not Jews, make the laws there now so that would seem to support the presence of undeniable proof of the holocaust.

    Personally I think many Jews died, some were killed, but because of Jewish media control it has been magnified more than the deaths of all the gypsies, the mentally and physically handicapped, soldiers on both sides, and the torture and holocaust of many many captured German soldiers at the hands of the Russians.

    I'll never forget about 15 years ago I met an old woman from Poland in a casino (here in the US), and after conversing with her found out she was imprisoned by the Germans during WWII. I don't know if she was ethnically Polish or Jewish, but I asked her how she deals with what she went through, and with a shrug she said, "It was war."

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    Guys, you really need to read The Leuchter Report.

    I posted the video here on SBR months ago.

    Do and SBR search for The Leuchter Report.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ttwarrior1 View Post
    it was a mini one, the biggest one of all time that nobody talks about happened in russia
    Yeah Stalin was an evil bastard,he was scarier then Hitler in my opinion,he had free rein to do what he wanted after the War.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCentaur View Post
    Seems like there would be an easy way to support or refute the 6 million Jews died claim

    Kind of like back testing a sports betting strategy, randomly select 1000 individual records prewar of Jews in France, Germany, and Poland

    See if you can find records of them post war there or in Israel, the US, Canada, or other countries where many Jews emigrated

    I'm sure there are holes that need to be filled in this strategy but if you come up with 10 post war records out of 1000 prewar you know it was a holocaust, if you find 825 out of 1000 then something stinks

    I have been to Germany several times and have witnessed a hatred of Jews but it is pretty hush hush these days. I'm not sure if it is a racial hatred or a resentment of the bad PR the newer generations deal with now. It is illegal to deny the holocaust in Germany, and Germans, not Jews, make the laws there now so that would seem to support the presence of undeniable proof of the holocaust.

    Personally I think many Jews died, some were killed, but because of Jewish media control it has been magnified more than the deaths of all the gypsies, the mentally and physically handicapped, soldiers on both sides, and the torture and holocaust of many many captured German soldiers at the hands of the Russians.

    I'll never forget about 15 years ago I met an old woman from Poland in a casino (here in the US), and after conversing with her found out she was imprisoned by the Germans during WWII. I don't know if she was ethnically Polish or Jewish, but I asked her how she deals with what she went through, and with a shrug she said, "It was war."
    The Japanese were pretty evil,ive heard so many stories of how they use to torture P.O.W

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    How about British war crimes?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_war_crimes

    World War II

    Crimes against prisoners, civilians, and civilian property

    In violation of the Hague Conventions, line of communication troops conducted small scale looting in the French towns of Bayeux and Caen, following their liberation.[24] On 21 April 1945, troops randomly selected and burned two cottages in Seedorf, Germany, in reprisal against local civilians who had hidden German soldiers in their cellars.[25]
    On 23 May 1945, troops held Prince Ferdinand of Holstein, prior to looting Glücksburg castle in Schleswig-Holstein. In addition to stealing jewelry, 38 coffins - in the castle's mausoleum - were desecrated.[26]
    An MI19 prisoner of war facility, known as the "London Cage", was utilized during and immediately after the war. This facility has been the subject of allegations of torture.[27] The Bad Nenndorf interrogation centre, in occupied Germany, managed by the Combined Services Detailed Interrogation Centre, was the subject of an official inquiry in 1947. It found that there was "mental and physical torture during the interrogations" and that "personal property of the prisoners were stolen".[28]
    Unrestricted submarine warfare

    On 4 May 1940, in response to Germany's intensive unrestricted submarine warfare, during the Battle of the Atlantic and its invasion of Denmark and Norway, the Royal Navy conducted its own unrestricted submarine campaign. The Admiralty announced that all vessels, in the Skagerrak, were to be sunk on sight without warning. This was contrary to the terms of the Second London Naval Treaty.[29][30]
    HMS Torbay incident

    In July 1941, the submarine HMS Torbay (under the command of Anthony Miers) was based in the Mediterranean were it sank several German ships. On two occasions, once off the coast of Alexandria, Egypt, and the other off the coast of Crete, the crew attacked and killed dozens of shipwrecked German sailors and troops. None of the shipwrecked survivors posed a major threat to Torbay's crew. Miers made no attempt to hide his actions, and reported them in his official logs. He received a strongly worded reprimand from his superiors following the first incident. Meir's actions violated the Hague Convention of 1907, which banned the killing of shipwreck survivors under any circumstances.[31][32]
    Rapes

    According to writer Sean Longden, although far from the scale of those committed by Soviet forces, rapes of local women were a common feature among British troops in Germany. Even elderly women were targeted. The Royal Military Police tended to turn a blind eye towards abuse of German prisoners and civilians but rape was a major issue for them. Some officers reportedly treated this behaviour with leniency.[33]
    Many rapes were the result of alcohol or post-traumatic stress, but there were also instances of premeditated attacks. For example, the attempted gang-rape of two Germans at gunpoint in the village of Oyle, near Nienburg. This attack ended with the death of one of the women, when a soldier (it is not clear if unintentionally or otherwise) discharged his gun, striking her in the neck. Reports also exist of "sexual assault and offences" committed against Belgian and Dutch children. A number of servicemen were convicted of these crimes, while fraternizing with Dutch and Belgian families during the winter of 1944-45.[33]
    Bombing of Dresden

    Main article: Bombing of Dresden in World War II

    Dresden after the bombing raid


    The British, with other allied nations (mainly the U.S.) carried out air raids against enemy cities during World War II, including the bombing of the German city of Dresden, which killed more than 25,000 people. While "no agreement, treaty, convention or any other instrument governing the protection of the civilian population or civilian property" from aerial attack was adopted before the war,[34] the Hague Conventions did prohibit the bombardment of undefended towns. Allied forces inquiry concluded that an air attack on Dresden was militarily justified on the grounds the city was defended.[35]
    This city was filled with refugees fleeing the oncoming Red Army.[36][37] When asked whether the bombing of Dresden was a war crime, British historian Frederick Taylor replied: "I really don't know. From a practical point of view, rules of war are something of a grey area. It was pretty borderline stuff in terms of the extent of the raid and the amount of force used."[38] Historian Donald Bloxham claims that "the bombing of Dresden on 13–14 February 1945 was a war crime". He further argues that there was a strong prima facie for trying Winston Churchill among others and that there is theoretical case that he could have been found guilty. "This should be a sobering thought. If, however it is also a startling one, this is probably less the result of widespread understanding of the nuance of international law and more because in the popular mind 'war criminal', like 'paedophile' or 'terrorist', has developed into a moral rather than a legal categorisation."[39]
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhillyFlyers View Post
    How about British war crimes?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_war_crimes

    World War II

    Crimes against prisoners, civilians, and civilian property

    In violation of the Hague Conventions, line of communication troops conducted small scale looting in the French towns of Bayeux and Caen, following their liberation.[24] On 21 April 1945, troops randomly selected and burned two cottages in Seedorf, Germany, in reprisal against local civilians who had hidden German soldiers in their cellars.[25]
    On 23 May 1945, troops held Prince Ferdinand of Holstein, prior to looting Glücksburg castle in Schleswig-Holstein. In addition to stealing jewelry, 38 coffins - in the castle's mausoleum - were desecrated.[26]
    An MI19 prisoner of war facility, known as the "London Cage", was utilized during and immediately after the war. This facility has been the subject of allegations of torture.[27] The Bad Nenndorf interrogation centre, in occupied Germany, managed by the Combined Services Detailed Interrogation Centre, was the subject of an official inquiry in 1947. It found that there was "mental and physical torture during the interrogations" and that "personal property of the prisoners were stolen".[28]
    Unrestricted submarine warfare

    On 4 May 1940, in response to Germany's intensive unrestricted submarine warfare, during the Battle of the Atlantic and its invasion of Denmark and Norway, the Royal Navy conducted its own unrestricted submarine campaign. The Admiralty announced that all vessels, in the Skagerrak, were to be sunk on sight without warning. This was contrary to the terms of the Second London Naval Treaty.[29][30]
    HMS Torbay incident

    In July 1941, the submarine HMS Torbay (under the command of Anthony Miers) was based in the Mediterranean were it sank several German ships. On two occasions, once off the coast of Alexandria, Egypt, and the other off the coast of Crete, the crew attacked and killed dozens of shipwrecked German sailors and troops. None of the shipwrecked survivors posed a major threat to Torbay's crew. Miers made no attempt to hide his actions, and reported them in his official logs. He received a strongly worded reprimand from his superiors following the first incident. Meir's actions violated the Hague Convention of 1907, which banned the killing of shipwreck survivors under any circumstances.[31][32]
    Rapes

    According to writer Sean Longden, although far from the scale of those committed by Soviet forces, rapes of local women were a common feature among British troops in Germany. Even elderly women were targeted. The Royal Military Police tended to turn a blind eye towards abuse of German prisoners and civilians but rape was a major issue for them. Some officers reportedly treated this behaviour with leniency.[33]
    Many rapes were the result of alcohol or post-traumatic stress, but there were also instances of premeditated attacks. For example, the attempted gang-rape of two Germans at gunpoint in the village of Oyle, near Nienburg. This attack ended with the death of one of the women, when a soldier (it is not clear if unintentionally or otherwise) discharged his gun, striking her in the neck. Reports also exist of "sexual assault and offences" committed against Belgian and Dutch children. A number of servicemen were convicted of these crimes, while fraternizing with Dutch and Belgian families during the winter of 1944-45.[33]
    Bombing of Dresden

    Main article: Bombing of Dresden in World War II

    Dresden after the bombing raid


    The British, with other allied nations (mainly the U.S.) carried out air raids against enemy cities during World War II, including the bombing of the German city of Dresden, which killed more than 25,000 people. While "no agreement, treaty, convention or any other instrument governing the protection of the civilian population or civilian property" from aerial attack was adopted before the war,[34] the Hague Conventions did prohibit the bombardment of undefended towns. Allied forces inquiry concluded that an air attack on Dresden was militarily justified on the grounds the city was defended.[35]
    This city was filled with refugees fleeing the oncoming Red Army.[36][37] When asked whether the bombing of Dresden was a war crime, British historian Frederick Taylor replied: "I really don't know. From a practical point of view, rules of war are something of a grey area. It was pretty borderline stuff in terms of the extent of the raid and the amount of force used."[38] Historian Donald Bloxham claims that "the bombing of Dresden on 13–14 February 1945 was a war crime". He further argues that there was a strong prima facie for trying Winston Churchill among others and that there is theoretical case that he could have been found guilty. "This should be a sobering thought. If, however it is also a startling one, this is probably less the result of widespread understanding of the nuance of international law and more because in the popular mind 'war criminal', like 'paedophile' or 'terrorist', has developed into a moral rather than a legal categorisation."[39]
    You are freakin clueless , why do I even bother,these Historians were not the ones getting bombed by the Nazis,its pretty easy for them to sit back and point the finger. I dont blame the British or the Americans for anything they did at the time,they did not ask for that War. My grandad didnt ask to be sent away for six years to fight in the Desert.
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    Quote Originally Posted by packerd_00 View Post
    You are freakin clueless , why do I even bother,these Historians were not the ones getting bombed by the Nazis,its pretty easy for them to sit back and point the finger. I dont blame the British or the Americans for anything they did at the time,they did not ask for that War. My grandad didnt ask to be sent away for six years to fight in the Desert.
    LOL



    Leave it to a british asshole like yourself to point the finger at germans but conveniently dismiss the war crimes you yourself committed. I bet your grandfather was one of those british war criminals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pronk View Post
    Watch from min. 18

    Fantastic! Great post pronk!


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    Quote Originally Posted by PhillyFlyers View Post
    LOL



    Leave it to a british asshole like yourself to point the finger at germans but conveniently dismiss the war crimes you yourself committed. I bet your grandfather was one of those british war criminals.
    How dare you insult my family like that you piece of trash,you wouldnt have the first clue about getting off your ass and putting your life on the line,no doubt you were a draft dodger just like your grandad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by packerd_00 View Post
    How dare you insult my family like that you piece of trash,you wouldnt have the first clue about getting off your ass and putting your life on the line,no doubt you were a draft dodger just like your grandad.


    Keep going this is fun. Don't get angry at me just because your grandfather was a war criminal. That's on him and you not me.

    Also, love your hypocrisy. It's a horrendous and evil if the germans commit war crimes but perfectly acceptable when the british do it.


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    I usually do not reply to threads that are like this but in December I went to Krakowand during my visit I visited aushwitz. I heard stories and facts about the holocaust. You can believe whatever you want but really???? It was not just Jews that died - Christians, gypsies, Slavs and intellectuals. It is comical and I hope you are just joking, for your own sake.

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    It always surprises me that all people talk about is the Holocaust but no one mentions the tens of millions of civilians that died from bomb raids, starvation, forced labor, etc in all parts of the world during WWII. Like those people deserved to die whereas Holocaust victims didn't.
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    Jews make a big deal out of everything. They are always 1 step ahead of Europe and milked the holocaust to full effect.

    Jews are smart as hell

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    Lunch, they're not Jews, european ashkenazies in reality are khazar converts originally from Caspian sea region. In the 8th century ad, this blood thirsty tribe excepted talmud teachings and you know the rest of the story.

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    [QUOTE=lunch;20888890]Jews make a big deal out of everything. They are always 1 step ahead of Europe and milked the holocaust to full effect.

    Jews are smart as hell

    you are just an asshole/

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    Quote Originally Posted by toga toga View Post
    I visited aushwitz. I heard stories and facts about the holocaust.
    Would you mind sharing those stories with us Toga?

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    Our tour guide was Polish and had been a guide for 15 years. Aushwitz was originally barracks for the Polish Army - the buildings were brick and remain in good condition. Birkenau was built by the prisoners and about a half mile away. Made of wood and most have been destroyed or were burned when the Germans retreated. That is the camp in which the railroad was within 100 yards of the chambers. These 2 camps were the only in which prisoners were tattooed with numbers When prisoners arrived to birkenau they were either put to work or were led to the chamber - it would depend upon their physical condition It is reported that only 7 prisoners every escaped. For 2 miles around the camp German families lived as the polish families,we're moved. Therefore, no escapee could expect help - generally the opposite.

    People generally only could survive in the prison for 6 months and trains from throughout Europe were integrated to feed into these prisons. In Poland people were told they were going to the country to do work and they could only bring one suitcase - generally filled with their most precious possessions. These suitcases are on display, as well as dolls,toys, glasses, hair and pictures of the prisoners.

    Initially - the prison was filled with polish artists, intellectuals, police, teachers, etc , all those that would be considered a threat. Then things slowly changed and those deemed less desirable we're put in the camps. Prostitiutes, criminals, gays, and Jews. Conditions in the camp were inhumane - bathroom breaks -30 seconds per day. Prison uniforms were cleaned once every 6 weeks. Food was scarce and many died from starvation. Pictures of the prisoners being rescued we're on display. However, after the Germans were gone the Russians took over- which is a completely different story.

    Krakow and the near regions had about 100,000 Jews - now very few still live in krakow. In addition, the Germans did not damage the city of Krakow but Warsaw was destroyed. Why - the Germans considered the Poles inhabiting Warsaw to be Slavic and krakow not.

    War is war - both sides have nothing to be proud of and the winner writes the history. Nevertheless, to say the holocaust did not happen is hard to fathom. The reason behind it, could be part of war and those targeted the enemy. You can come to your own reasoning. Throughout history things such as this happen, recently in Rwanda, Bosnia, Sudan, and now Syria. Groups are targeted for being a certain nationality, sect, religion or whatever. The issue about the holocaust is do we learn from the horrors of the past or repeat them. --- not whether it occurred or not!
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    Quote Originally Posted by toga toga View Post
    Our tour guide was Polish and had been a guide for 15 years. Aushwitz was originally barracks for the Polish Army - the buildings were brick and remain in good condition. Birkenau was built by the prisoners and about a half mile away. Made of wood and most have been destroyed or were burned when the Germans retreated. That is the camp in which the railroad was within 100 yards of the chambers. These 2 camps were the only in which prisoners were tattooed with numbers When prisoners arrived to birkenau they were either put to work or were led to the chamber - it would depend upon their physical condition It is reported that only 7 prisoners every escaped. For 2 miles around the camp German families lived as the polish families,we're moved. Therefore, no escapee could expect help - generally the opposite.

    People generally only could survive in the prison for 6 months and trains from throughout Europe were integrated to feed into these prisons. In Poland people were told they were going to the country to do work and they could only bring one suitcase - generally filled with their most precious possessions. These suitcases are on display, as well as dolls,toys, glasses, hair and pictures of the prisoners.

    Initially - the prison was filled with polish artists, intellectuals, police, teachers, etc , all those that would be considered a threat. Then things slowly changed and those deemed less desirable we're put in the camps. Prostitiutes, criminals, gays, and Jews. Conditions in the camp were inhumane - bathroom breaks -30 seconds per day. Prison uniforms were cleaned once every 6 weeks. Food was scarce and many died from starvation. Pictures of the prisoners being rescued we're on display. However, after the Germans were gone the Russians took over- which is a completely different story.

    Krakow and the near regions had about 100,000 Jews - now very few still live in krakow. In addition, the Germans did not damage the city of Krakow but Warsaw was destroyed. Why - the Germans considered the Poles inhabiting Warsaw to be Slavic and krakow not.

    War is war - both sides have nothing to be proud of and the winner writes the history. Nevertheless, to say the holocaust did not happen is hard to fathom. The reason behind it, could be part of war and those targeted the enemy. You can come to your own reasoning. Throughout history things such as this happen, recently in Rwanda, Bosnia, Sudan, and now Syria. Groups are targeted for being a certain nationality, sect, religion or whatever. The issue about the holocaust is do we learn from the horrors of the past or repeat them. --- not whether it occurred or not!
    No, it's not. The Holocaust is a modern term invented by Jews to make money off of it. David Irving went to Aushwitz and told the tour guide that the ovens there was built by Poles AFTER the war. He was fined 30,000 deutschemarks for the comment even though it was true.

    The official story of 6 million perishing at the hands of a Nazi genocide program is a lie. Complete fiction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhillyFlyers View Post
    No, it's not. The Holocaust is a modern term invented by Jews to make money off of it. David Irving went to Aushwitz and told the tour guide that the ovens there was built by Poles AFTER the war. He was fined 30,000 deutschemarks for the comment even though it was true.

    The official story of 6 million perishing at the hands of a Nazi genocide program is a lie. Complete fiction.
    Shut up Draft Dodger.

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