[PhillyFlyers]

It is a little more believable than a portal.

How so?

Can you give another example in the history of the world where a failed missile test produced a 3 minute spiral event in the sky?

[SteveRyan]

From Wikipedia:

Official Russian explanation[edit]

On 10 December, the Russian Ministry of Defence confirmed that a Bulava missile test had failed. According to a spokesman, "The missile's first two stages worked as normal, but there was a technical malfunction at the next, third, stage of the trajectory."^[9] Russian defence analyst Pavel Felgenhauer stated to AFP that "such lights and clouds appear from time to time when a missile fails in the upper layers of the atmosphere and have been reported before ... At least this failed test made some nice fireworks for the Norwegians."^[12] Prior to the Russian statement, Jonathan McDowell, an astrophysicist at the Harvard–Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, had already suggested that the unusual light display occurred when the missile's third stage nozzle was damaged, causing the exhaust to come out sideways and sending the missile into a spin.^[7]

[PhillyFlyers]

From Wikipedia:

Official Russian explanation[edit]

On 10 December, the Russian Ministry of Defence confirmed that a Bulava missile test had failed. According to a spokesman, "The missile's first two stages worked as normal, but there was a technical malfunction at the next, third, stage of the trajectory."^[9] Russian defence analyst Pavel Felgenhauer stated to AFP that "such lights and clouds appear from time to time when a missile fails in the upper layers of the atmosphere and have been reported before ... At least this failed test made some nice fireworks for the Norwegians."^[12] Prior to the Russian statement, Jonathan McDowell, an astrophysicist at the Harvard–Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, had already suggested that the unusual light display occurred when the missile's third stage nozzle was damaged, causing the exhaust to come out sideways and sending the missile into a spin.^[7]

The Russian explanation is absurd.

Having been a weapons research scientist and member of the British Interplanetary Society, and having observed many rocket launches including a few failures, I am totally astonished that anyone takes the rocket explanation seriously. It is not a rocket out of control. That is obvious after a few seconds of watching the video because of the amazing regularity and constant speed of the spiral. The other effect that rules out the rocket theory is the end of the effect when the spiral dissipates and turns black. That is a very strange event that needs to be explained properly. I studied Astrophysics and electrohydrodynamics and it looks very much like a spiral plasma leaking from a blue green magnetic field tube coming from the ground. That is consistent with the eye witness reports that stated that the blue green tube appeared first. Another explanation to be considered seriously is the disco light effect, it could be some sort of projection. Either the plasma or the projection would require a large amount of funding and so this is probably an effect of secret military equipment.

The rocket explanation is as credible as saying it is Martians! It's neither of those.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2..._rocket_launch

[SteveRyan]

A moot point when you continue reading from where you quoted.....it's still a missile.

The most plausable explanation is that it was a SLBM launched from the White Sea by a Russian Nuclear powered Submarine, seeing as they were testing a new one in the same place that day (missile not nuclear warhead). Obviously you don't start shooting intercontinental ballistic missiles around in that part of Europe without telling NATO

It's obviously a missile spinning out of control and then it explodes clearing the air.

[PhillyFlyers]

A moot point when you continue reading from where you quoted.....it's still a missile.



It's obviously a missile spinning out of control and then it explodes clearing the air.

You can't prove it's a missile and neither can anyone else.

You have no explanation for why, suddenly, this happens during a failed missile test and then is never observed again.

Also, the official explanation is bullshit in more ways than one. For example, it states it was caused during the third stage. It had to have been the third stage if their theory is correct because of how high it was in the atmosphere when the event occurred.

This leaves a gaping hole in their theory though because if it happened during the third stage, there could never be enough fuel left to make the event last longer than one minute.

The event lasted at least 3 times longer than that.

Sorry friend, try again.

[Kermit]

A missile spinning out of control makes more sense than a stargate opening up and Kurt Russel jumping out of it.

[SteveRyan]

You can't prove it's a missile and neither can anyone else.

You have no explanation for why, suddenly, this happens during a failed missile test and then is never observed again.

Also, the official explanation is bullshit in more ways than one. For example, it states it was caused during the third stage. It had to have been the third stage if their theory is correct because of how high it was in the atmosphere when the event occurred.

This leaves a gaping hole in their theory though because if it happened during the third stage, there could never be enough fuel left to make the event last longer than one minute.

The event lasted at least 3 times longer than that.

Sorry friend, try again.

It would depend upon what type of missile you're actually dealing with. It's obviously some type of missile spinning out of control.

[Russian Rocket]

[Russian Rocket]

here is another failed attempt for the same Bulava missile...check out the spin




damn this shit looks cool:

[zizoudane10]

Philly...tell everyone again, how you think I am paid by the federal government to troll your posts.

Go ahead.

Sam, call me. Office, 10am. We need to discuss this "Philly-situation". The guy knows too much. We can't let it happen, that he tells the whole world the truth about our friends and their portals.

[Russian Rocket]

Sam, call me. Office, 10am. We need to discuss this "Philly-situation". The guy knows too much. We can't let it happen, that he tells the whole world the truth about our friends and their portals.

[Fidel_CashFlow]

A missile spinning out of control makes more sense than a stargate opening up and Kurt Russel jumping out of it.

Sam, call me. Office, 10am. We need to discuss this "Philly-situation". The guy knows too much. We can't let it happen, that he tells the whole world the truth about our friends and their portals.

[peppermillrick]

Whats the big deal? My friend here in Vegas has been calling down UFOs for years.



Nellis Air Force Base did not call back.

[PhillyFlyers]

It would depend upon what type of missile you're actually dealing with. It's obviously some type of missile spinning out of control.

There is no missile in the history of the world that could produce the giant black globe the spiral produced nor the light show, nor the blue beam.

If you still think it's a missile, then you are delusional.

Never in the history of the world has a missile produced an event like this nor has it been produced since.

[PhillyFlyers]

here is another failed attempt for the same Bulava missile...check out the spin




damn this shit looks cool:

These two photos are nothing alike and proof that the object couldn't be a missile.

First, there is no blue beam produced from the missile photo nor is the spiral from the gas it produced perfect in shape the way the spiral phenomena is.

It is a picture of a wild, out of control, failed missile.

The spiral event looks nothing like that.

[rkelly110]

Commissioner Gustonov is signaling Spiral man. Must be some trouble in Metropuluv.

Seriously, it's a laser lite show. Notice the spin on the lite. A negative charged laser fired into a positive charged
atmosphere will create the phenomena.

[SteveRyan]

There is no missile in the history of the world that could produce the giant black globe the spiral produced nor the light show, nor the blue beam.

And I'm sure you are well versed on every missile ever made, because as you know, the government tells the public about every missile they have ever made.

The simplest solution tends to be the correct one. It's some type of missile/rocket/man made fuel propelled object that is in the sky spinning out of control.

But go ahead and cling to your "Alien portal" theory as it is much more plausible.

[Kermit]

I think I figured out what was creating that circular spinning motion. It was an alien.

[zizoudane10]

I think I figured out what was creating that circular spinning motion. It was an alien.

[James D]

Even IF something was in the air couldn't it be a new Russian aircraft ? Granted its unlikely they would test something over Moscow but its not impossible. The first stealth bombers the US rolled out were in 1981 with testing and similar designs being tested decades before that. If you saw the f-117 or something similar flying in the early 1980's you would have thought it was a UFO as well. Any rational person would have as nothing every looked anything Like the F-117 at that time.

[Russian Rocket]

I think I figured out what was creating that circular spinning motion. It was an alien.

[SteveRyan]

Even IF something was in the air couldn't it be a new Russian aircraft ? Granted its unlikely they would test something over Moscow but its not impossible. The first stealth bombers the US rolled out were in 1981 with testing and similar designs being tested decades before that. If you saw the f-117 or something similar flying in the early 1980's you would have thought it was a UFO as well. Any rational person would have as nothing every looked anything Like the F-117 at that time.

Exactly. It's some kind of man made rocket / aircraft or whatever that has obviously malfunctioned. You can look at it and tell is's man made. The damn thing is loaded up with fuel and spewing it out of control in a spiral. Very obvious man made fail.

If you ask me, the whole space program is completely whack. Think about it. They build this towering rocket, jam it FULL of liquid oxygen, place a few people near the tip and then ignite that sucker! Craziest shiit ever. 1000 years from now we will look back and have a good laugh.

[PhillyFlyers]

Even IF something was in the air couldn't it be a new Russian aircraft ? Granted its unlikely they would test something over Moscow but its not impossible. The first stealth bombers the US rolled out were in 1981 with testing and similar designs being tested decades before that. If you saw the f-117 or something similar flying in the early 1980's you would have thought it was a UFO as well. Any rational person would have as nothing every looked anything Like the F-117 at that time.

Why would the military ever test top secret technology over public airspace?

[PhillyFlyers]

And I'm sure you are well versed on every missile ever made, because as you know, the government tells the public about every missile they have ever made.

The simplest solution tends to be the correct one. It's some type of missile/rocket/man made fuel propelled object that is in the sky spinning out of control.

But go ahead and cling to your "Alien portal" theory as it is much more plausible.

It is foolish to believe that the event was a failed Russian missile test.

First, the incident happened over Finnish airspace. Finland is a member of NATO.

Do you seriously believe Russia was testing missiles over a member of NATO's airspace?

Holy violations, Batman.

[bigtymer56]