[TheRifleman]

HBO’s “Real Time” host Bill Maher asked female Saudi Arabian filmmaker Haifaa al Mansour about the obstacles she encountered as a female filmmaker on Friday and spoke out against the nation’s governing religion of Islam.

Maher noted that some nations in the Middle East are becoming more conservative in regards to Islam after the Arab Spring, which, in his view, isn’t necessarily a good thing.


“The problem is, the Arab Spring kind of turned into the Arab Winter,” Maher said.

“And Saudi Arabia, I mean, is the most conservative of all. As people criticize me for what I say about the Muslims. I love all people. And it’s funny because the people that come up to me privately say, ‘Bill, I’m with you about the Muslims.’ It’s the American Muslims. It’s the liberals here who don’t quite get it. We’re not criticizing people. We’re criticizing a belief system that turns people into something we wish they wouldn’t be.”


But he also observed that compared to other religions, Islam gets a pass on some of its practices.


“But, you know, Mecca is the capital of the country,” he continued. “And they routinely put people to death … the religious capital, but it’s equivalent to like the Vatican, right — with Catholicism. And, if at the Vatican, they were putting people to death for homosexuality and apostasy, and, you know, adultery — things like that, I feel that there would be a big outcry. I feel that liberals would be upset about that, and it is the center of the religion. It’s a ‘mecca.’”

[TheRifleman]

Because liberals have no principles! The only things that they are concerned with is to be against conservative ideals and principles! That's it! There is no logic, no sense! They just want to be contrary! They are awful people!

THEY are waging a cultural war against the other half of the country, I've never seen that in my life! ( fyi.....they will lose in the end, big)


-- They use racism all the time and only condemn racism when they benefit from it, or invent racism as a "political weapon."
--They are the party of "inclusion" but never the country was so divided. People hate each other, they separate people on race, social difference, religion, age. Without any moral they put people against each other, only for power.
--They speak of intolerance, but go with all the hatred against those who disagree with them. Not to mention, they love to "feel offended" to censor others opinions to manipulate the information.
--They make war against Christianity (which is the opposite of tolerant), Because they are against gay marriage, BUT they are not against Islam that kill gays!
--They have cynically invent the "war against women", pretending to be the
savior of this country, but do not condemn the brutalities that Islam

the list actually is endless....bottom-line....leftism is a cancer that must be rooted out and destroyed like all cancers should....AND IT WILL BE.

[BuddyBear]

Just a heads up, you have to be very careful these days with what you write on the internet. You don't want to say anything on here that a future employer could get a hold of. Diversity is a big thing in the workforce and in school admissions. Bill Maher is a millionaire many many times over and can say whatever he wants without consequence....notice how people who want to say certain things about Islam, "come up to me privately."

[TheRifleman]

Just a heads up, you have to be very careful these days with what you write on the internet. You don't want to say anything on here that a future employer could get a hold of. Diversity is a big thing in the workforce and in school admissions. Bill Maher is a millionaire many many times over and can say whatever he wants without consequence....notice how people who want to say certain things about Islam, "come up to me privately."

I couldn't care less about being politically correct, regardless of any supposed "consequence"....lol.....bring it...I've been waiting.........Freedom is more important to me than some supposed "consequences"......

Looks like you've been brainwashed too.....


Sorry about that.

[TheRifleman]

For all their differences, Islam and Communism (i.e. Marxism,
liberalism) are united in the imperative of achieving totalitarianism by
compulsion, if necessary.

Liberals WILL NOT, in any shape, form or fashion go against their allies.


For some reason, the anti-God,anti-religion Dunceacrats, find common cause with Islam. I suspect it is their shared predilection for totalitarianism. Both are fascist organizations, regardless of their alleged motivations for being so.

The more you compare the beliefs the Islamist and liberals, the more similarities you find. David Horowitz was right: it is an unholy alliance.

[TheRifleman]

Below is a series of statements. Can you distinguish which of them more closely describes Islamism or liberalism? Muslim or liberal?

You decide:
You have many ideas and beliefs, and you insist that other people conform to them.
You believe that lying to obtain your objectives is completely acceptable.
You enjoy mass demonstrations, chanting, and rioting. You get a particular kick out of burning the American flag.
You have a belief system filled with contradictions,and you regard that as normal.
You hate Ronald Reagan.
You discriminate against everyone who does not believe as you do.
You think it is obligatory to be offensive toward those who disagree with you.
You believe that you have the right to take from others.
You enjoy destroying the religious symbols of others.
Your meeting places are actually enemy outposts from which you plan the overthrow of the free world.
You believe you should be able to have sex with anyone you can physically subdue.
You absolutely do not believe in freedom of speech.
You believe that violence is integral to the pursuit of your worthy goals.
You view freedom as an unacceptable proposition.
Your prophets have long been shown to be false.
You believe in using government police or military force to impose your beliefs on others.
You hate all religions except your own.
You believe that pedophilia is proper and moral.
You believe that morality is defined by the rules of the cult you follow.
You often engage in mob violence.
You think that books and publications you don't approve of should not be available to others. You believe that freedom of the press is a terrible idea.
You hate Christianity and Judaism.
You engage in blasphemy on a daily basis.
Your ultimate goal is that everyone else in the world submit to what you believe.
You believe that bullying is an acceptable tactic.
You do not believe in religious freedom.
You are a racist.
You believe that women are sex objects.
You believe that men are sex objects.
You believe that incest is relative.
You abuse Western ideals of religious freedom and tolerance and use them as wedge opportunities to overthrow the society you live in.
You have your own set of laws.
You believe that the enemy of your enemy is your friend.
You believe that Christianity must be destroyed at all costs.
You believe that America is the Great Satan.
You believe that people who don't believe as you do should be killed or subjugated.
You believe that the USA has too much power and must be brought down.
You do not recognize the divinity of Jesus Christ.
You do not believe in the Founding Fathers, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, freedom and liberty, or anything American.
You believe that the ends justifies the means.
You believe that you must win at any cost.


Anyone? Is there any difference between the two???

I don't see any.

[BuddyBear]

I couldn't care less about being politically correct, regardless of any supposed "consequence"....lol.....bring it...I've been waiting.........Freedom is more important to me than some supposed "consequences"......

Looks like you've been brainwashed too.....


Sorry about that.

Oh cool. Congrats. So why don't you post your real name like Bill Maher then? Or direct us to where we can see your published writings/opinions on the issues?

[TheRifleman]

Oh cool. Congrats. So why don't you post your real name like Bill Maher then? Or direct us to where we can see your published writings/opinions on the issues?

Why don't you go suc a big cocck, liberal.

[SamDiamond]

Why don't you go suc a big cocck, liberal.

So, Rifle-- you are advising a man to suck a cawk? And not just any rooster, but you want him to suck a "Big" one.

For someone so anti-gay, you sure are pre-occupied with men touching/sucking other men's cawks.

But hey-- you say you're straight.....

[muldoon]

go suc a big cocck

That seems to be your solution to everything.

[BuddyBear]

Rifleman why don't you openly tell us who you are and attach your name to these things you are saying just like Bill Maher. You aren't worried are you?

[The Madcap]

Rifleman why don't you openly tell us who you are and attach your name to these things you are saying just like Bill Maher. You aren't worried are you?

That would be against forum policy dumbshit.

Sweet Jesus.

[TheRifleman]

Leftist filth.

[CarpeDime]

Just a heads up, you have to be very careful these days with what you write on the internet. You don't want to say anything on here that a future employer could get a hold of. Diversity is a big thing in the workforce and in school admissions. Bill Maher is a millionaire many many times over and can say whatever he wants without consequence....notice how people who want to say certain things about Islam, "come up to me privately."

future employer????



dude, TheRifleman doesn't have a current employer, and he DEFINITELY won't have a future employer

he lives off of some kind of pension/inheritance/social security

he has zero principles, and has proved time and time again that he won't back up anything he says with anything of substance

NEVER puts his money where his mouth is, because of course, he knows if he did, he'd just lose his money, like a classic Limbaugh-era right-winger

zero principles, zero integrity, zero common sense, zero intellectual honesty, zero personal responsibility, zero courage, 100% hypocrisy, 100% inconsistency

this has been shown time and time again in study after study, and TheRifleman himself has personally demonstrated it repeatedly on here in his posts

classic loser, the guy just regrets that he wasn't born into a time when people like him could really flourish, like Nazi Germany or the Spanish Inquisition, or any of the other times and places like that

[SportsInteLect]

Below is a series of statements. Can you distinguish which of them more closely describes Islamism or liberalism? Muslim or liberal?

You decide:
You have many ideas and beliefs, and you insist that other people conform to them.
You believe that lying to obtain your objectives is completely acceptable.
You enjoy mass demonstrations, chanting, and rioting. You get a particular kick out of burning the American flag.
You have a belief system filled with contradictions,and you regard that as normal.
You hate Ronald Reagan.
You discriminate against everyone who does not believe as you do.
You think it is obligatory to be offensive toward those who disagree with you.
You believe that you have the right to take from others.
You enjoy destroying the religious symbols of others.
Your meeting places are actually enemy outposts from which you plan the overthrow of the free world.
You believe you should be able to have sex with anyone you can physically subdue.
You absolutely do not believe in freedom of speech.
You believe that violence is integral to the pursuit of your worthy goals.
You view freedom as an unacceptable proposition.
Your prophets have long been shown to be false.
You believe in using government police or military force to impose your beliefs on others.
You hate all religions except your own.
You believe that pedophilia is proper and moral.
You believe that morality is defined by the rules of the cult you follow.
You often engage in mob violence.
You think that books and publications you don't approve of should not be available to others. You believe that freedom of the press is a terrible idea.
You hate Christianity and Judaism.
You engage in blasphemy on a daily basis.
Your ultimate goal is that everyone else in the world submit to what you believe.
You believe that bullying is an acceptable tactic.
You do not believe in religious freedom.
You are a racist.
You believe that women are sex objects.
You believe that men are sex objects.
You believe that incest is relative.
You abuse Western ideals of religious freedom and tolerance and use them as wedge opportunities to overthrow the society you live in.
You have your own set of laws.
You believe that the enemy of your enemy is your friend.
You believe that Christianity must be destroyed at all costs.
You believe that America is the Great Satan.
You believe that people who don't believe as you do should be killed or subjugated.
You believe that the USA has too much power and must be brought down.
You do not recognize the divinity of Jesus Christ.
You do not believe in the Founding Fathers, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, freedom and liberty, or anything American.
You believe that the ends justifies the means.
You believe that you must win at any cost.


Anyone? Is there any difference between the two???

I don't see any.

WOW, you just described yourself and the current republican party. The similarities between Islamic terrorists and republican christian terrorists are almost identical.

You believe that pedophilia is proper and moral. That would be the catholic church and christian religious leaders who feel that way.
You hate Christianity and Judaism. Both are scientifically proven to be fake. All religions are fake.
You engage in blasphemy on a daily basis. No such thing as blasphemy. Science has proven that there is no such thing as blasphemy.
You do not believe in religious freedom. You want to suppress Islam, no? You f'ucking hypocrite.

Christian and Jew Republican terrorists and Islamic terrorists are both cancers and must be eliminated. Both are enemies to all of mankind. Both are responsible for everything that is wrong with the world. The downfall of all mankind will not be a massive outbreak. It will be religion. No man made invention has caused more harm to the evolution of man than religion.

Buddha, Krishna, Muhammad, and Jesus and all the other "2866" deities are all fake and every country on the planet uses some kind of mythology to govern their country. All you idiots believe your god is real and everyone else's fake.

I wish i could take a time machine and shoot who ever invented religion. F'uck taking a time machine to kill Hitler. I would kill the man who started all this mess. I wish scientists would just speak up and end this. But, even if they did, religious people run the media and will label them crazy.

Leftists dream of living in a world where there are no losers, everyone gets a trophy, and want the government to be a mommy to its citizens. They want an utopian, egalitarian, socialist, communist country.

Sounds great and all, but not as fun as it sounds, when you dig deeper. I don't want to be a slave to Christian republican terrorists or Islamic terrorists. I don't want to be a slave to communist kings or rulers either. I am a man without a country.

Open-minded, fair-minded, rational-thinking, critical-thinking, evidence-based intellectuals are labeled dangers to society by Christians and Islamist's. When in actuality... they are the ones who are dangers to society. There's a reason why religious people and governments suppress education and want to control it.

Listen to them when they talk about education. They fear an open-minded, fair-minded, rational-thinking, critical-thinking, evidence-based society and they will do whatever it takes to stop science from becoming the norm.

Islam and Christianity hate the education system, the media, publications, and the entertainment industry for the exact same reasons. They believe it's suppressing their religious slave chimp agenda. Obedient-slave-bowing-kneeling idiot-chimp workers is what they want. Educated chimps are impossible to control. That is the enemy of religious leaders and governments.

People have the ability to educate themselves online at anytime they feel like it and i hope it happens on a massive scale. You can't read and have no education so i know I'm talking to a rock. I expect name calling or laughter. I know I'm 100 percent right on this. It's amazing the things you can learn when you know how to read and find your critical spirit.

[TheRifleman]

WOW, you just described yourself and the current republican party. The similarities between Islamic terrorists and republican christian terrorists are almost identical.

You believe that pedophilia is proper and moral. That would be the catholic church and christian religious leaders who feel that way.
You hate Christianity and Judaism. Both are scientifically proven to be fake. All religions are fake.
You engage in blasphemy on a daily basis. No such thing as blasphemy. Science has proven that there is no such thing as blasphemy.
You do not believe in religious freedom. You want to suppress Islam, no? You f'ucking hypocrite.

Christian and Jew Republican terrorists and Islamic terrorists are both cancers and must be eliminated. Both are enemies to all of mankind. Both are responsible for everything that is wrong with the world. The downfall of all mankind will not be a massive outbreak. It will be religion. No man made invention has caused more harm to the evolution of man than religion.

Buddha, Krishna, Muhammad, and Jesus and all the other "2866" deities are all fake and every country on the planet uses some kind of mythology to govern their country. All you idiots believe your god is real and everyone else's fake.

I wish i could take a time machine and shoot who ever invented religion. F'uck taking a time machine to kill Hitler. I would kill the man who started all this mess. I wish scientists would just speak up and end this. But, even if they did, religious people run the media and will label them crazy.

Leftists dream of living in a world where there are no losers, everyone gets a trophy, and want the government to be a mommy to its citizens. They want an utopian, egalitarian, socialist, communist country.

Sounds great and all, but not as fun as it sounds, when you dig deeper. I don't want to be a slave to Christian republican terrorists or Islamic terrorists. I don't want to be a slave to communist kings or rulers either. I am a man without a country.

Open-minded, fair-minded, rational-thinking, critical-thinking, evidence-based intellectuals are labeled dangers to society by Christians and Islamist's. When in actuality... they are the ones who are dangers to society. There's a reason why religious people and governments suppress education and want to control it.

Listen to them when they talk about education. They fear an open-minded, fair-minded, rational-thinking, critical-thinking, evidence-based society and they will do whatever it takes to stop science from becoming the norm.

Islam and Christianity hate the education system, the media, publications, and the entertainment industry for the exact same reasons. They believe it's suppressing their religious slave chimp agenda. Obedient-slave-bowing-kneeling idiot-chimp workers is what they want. Educated chimps are impossible to control. That is the enemy of religious leaders and governments.

People have the ability to educate themselves online at anytime they feel like it and i hope it happens on a massive scale. You can't read and have no education so i know I'm talking to a rock. I expect name calling or laughter. I know I'm 100 percent right on this. It's amazing the things you can learn when you know how to read and find your critical spirit.

Hilarious stupidity.

you're an imbecile and an UNEDUCATED DOLT.

How are you going to make it through the rest of your life being so dumb?

Seriously.

[Andy117]

Just a heads up, you have to be very careful these days with what you write on the internet. You don't want to say anything on here that a future employer could get a hold of. Diversity is a big thing in the workforce and in school admissions.

Thelittlerifleboy doesn't have to worry about future employment. He has a cushy basement apartment in his parents house, he's set.

[SportsInteLect]

I expect name calling or laughter.

Hilarious stupidity.

you're an imbecile and an UNEDUCATED DOLT.

How are you going to make it through the rest of your life being so dumb?

Seriously.

As expected...

Who taught you those big words? Ren from Ren and stimpy

What exactly did i say that was so funny and wrong?

The government just loves you. A fully indoctrinated primitive chimp. People like you are the reason the government sleeps well at night. What's the matter? Not smart enough to construct a well-articulated answer.

I already know your response to that. Ummm... derrr... nothing about your response is articulate and therefore, there's no need for an articulate answer. Show me this education that you say i don't have but you claim to possess. I'm dying for one republican poster that shows signs of intelligence.

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/saloon/2419006-russell-brand-disses-msnbc-superficial-nwo-media-agenda-bilderberg-group.html

I'm still waiting for a response to my post. Since you claim to be so smart. You should have absolutely no problem responding to everything i pointed out on post #9, right. Let me guess, you're going to either use a laughing emoticon or just ignore me. I'm f'ucking with you because i know you're an idiot that can't construct an answer.

Ive seen this pattern before. Dodge, deflect, ridicule and denial, or my favorite... silence. Evey time i present an argument that has zero flaws to republicans. I get dead silence. I love that shit. Too damn stupid to formulate a constructive thorough response. So they open a new thread to try and move on from getting owned. Ive done that a lot this year to posters.

Liberal democrats, i can get them to see their flawed logic, at times, but republicans. Shit is impossible. You can be presented with the truth and still deny it. It's some kind of weird republican defense mechanism. I wish science would study this phenomena. Ive had heated debates with republicans and muslims in person. Both ended with them threatening to beat me up or kill me. It's some kind of god disorder that makes them turn into violent idiots.

Religious fanatics, Muslims, Christians, and Republicans all share the same dispositions. They don't care about much of anything, are not interested in the facts, prefer not to think, mistrust reasoning as a way of finding things out or solving problems, holds his or her own reasoning abilities in low esteem, are close-minded, inflexible, insensitive, cannot understand what others think, and never are willing to reconsider an opinion or admit being wrong.

Truth-seeking and open-mindedness, is a problem for Christian/Jew/Republican terrorists or Islamic terrorists and extremists of every stripe because terrorists and extremists want to control of what people think. They are ideologists of the worst kind. Their methods include indoctrination, intimidation, and the strictest authoritarian orthodoxy. In the black-and-white world of us vs. them a good education would mean that the people might begin to think for themselves.

And that is something you extremists do not want. Communists, totalitarian empires, fascists, Muslims, Jews, and Christians all create wars on learning, wars on intellectuals, and create regulations aimed at suppressing research and frustrating the fair-minded, evidence-based, and unfettered pursuit of knowledge. The next thing these extremists will try to suppress will be the internet.

[The Madcap]

WOW, you just described yourself and the current republican party. The similarities between Islamic terrorists and republican christian terrorists are almost identical.

Yes,

but you missed a crucial difference:

Here in America (unlike places like Saudi Arabia/Pakistan/Iran etc.) religious fundamentalists have little to no power.

When was the last time the religious right prevented you from doing something you wanted to do? Seriously. Got an example?

I can't think of the last time they stood in the way of me doing something I wanted to do (not unless the left was helping to prevent it as well.)

The idea that radicals on the religious right have power/influence in this country is a myth propagated by the media to keep us in fear of backwoods theologians whose own conferences have marginalized them to the best of their ability.

Think about it, what are the major issues for the religious right?

1) Abortion

During the Bush Administration the conservatives controlled the executive/legislative/judicial branches. Did Roe V Wade get overturned?

NOPE.

Why?

Because the radicals on the religious right didn't have enough power and influence to do so. All they got was the "partial-birth abortion ban" which had little to do with them as plenty of secular people favored as well.

2) Gay Marriage

The chances of their being an amendment on the federal level to ban gay marriage are slim to none.

Why? The religious right doesn't have the power/influence.

It is only on the state level where any laws have been put on the books about gay marriage, and most don't even prevent gay marriage, they simply refuse to call it "marriage."

3) Legalization of Marijuana

In my state, and many others, the left are just as much against this as the GOP

4) Gambling/lottery

Ditto

5) Teaching creationism in schools

Yes, it's true, in certain small pockets of America (notably Georgia, Arkansas, and Alabama) local school districts in these areas have fought for the ability to teach creationism in the classroom. But only in their specific districts and NO WHERE ELSE. This is a far cry from Darwinists on the other side who have fought to prevent any school district from teaching creationism regardless of whether or not this stands in conflict with the will of the people in those areas.

The religious right in the U.S. does not simply have the power or influence (nor will they ever) to bring about the types of laws you fear.

Yes, they would prefer to live in society where people didn't drink as much, or do drugs, or have premarital sex, but they aren't going around bombing shit to get their way. (Aside from the rare, VERY RARE, abortion clinic bombing.) And when such things happen, the conferences of the respective conservative denominations in this country are quick to denounce such actions of violence and strip the membership/funding of any church found to encourage/promote such activity.

The reality in America is that the are millions of religious, right-wing Americans with millions of firearms and rounds of ammunition, and YET, despite the ability to cause a lot of damage, they DON'T.

Why?

They aren't interested.

The religious right in this country monitors itself and keeps themselves in check. This is not the case in your average Islamic nation where the radicals are encouraged and often even funded by the state.

When I was growing up I did not like religious people. They were always looking down on me for drinking, and smoking, and gambling, and basically doing anything that constituted a good time. But they never prevented me from doing any of those things legally. Not anymore than the leftists.

Meanwhile,

the left has made laws that prevent me from doing countless things without facing serious penalty. Such as...

smoking in my own bar
smoking in my own car
playing dodgeball in school
playing kickball in school
going off a diving board at the local swim club
firing worthless employees if they aren't white males
selling a gun to my dad
buying a gun from my friend's brother
leaving my house on vacation for a month without hiring a lawn care service
building a deck in my backyard
letting my niece set up a lemonade stand in our driveway
riding my bike down the block without a helmet
and of course choosing not to buy health insurance

And those are things just off the top of my head. There are dozens and dozens of others I could come up with if I wanted to take the time. Which I don't. The bastards have taken enough of it already.

So you go and cry about religious people and the GOP. They aren't stopping you from doing jack shit.

[TheRifleman]

Yes,

but you missed a crucial difference:

Here in America (unlike places like Saudi Arabia/Pakistan/Iran etc.) religious fundamentalists have little to no power.

When was the last time the religious right prevented you from doing something you wanted to do? Seriously. Got an example?

I can't think of the last time they stood in the way of me doing something I wanted to do (not unless the left was helping to prevent it as well.)

The idea that radicals on the religious right have power/influence in this country is a myth propagated by the media to keep us in fear of backwoods theologians whose own conferences have marginalized them to the best of their ability.

Think about it, what are the major issues for the religious right?

1) Abortion

During the Bush Administration the conservatives controlled the executive/legislative/judicial branches. Did Roe V Wade get overturned?

NOPE.

Why?

Because the radicals on the religious right didn't have enough power and influence to do so. All they got was the "partial-birth abortion ban" which had little to do with them as plenty of secular people favored as well.

2) Gay Marriage

The chances of their being an amendment on the federal level to ban gay marriage are slim to none.

Why? The religious right doesn't have the power/influence.

It is only on the state level where any laws have been put on the books about gay marriage, and most don't even prevent gay marriage, they simply refuse to call it "marriage."

3) Legalization of Marijuana

In my state, and many others, the left are just as much against this as the GOP

4) Gambling/lottery

Ditto

5) Teaching creationism in schools

Yes, it's true, in certain small pockets of America (notably Georgia, Arkansas, and Alabama) local school districts in these areas have fought for the ability to teach creationism in the classroom. But only in their specific districts and NO WHERE ELSE. This is a far cry from Darwinists on the other side who have fought to prevent any school district from teaching creationism regardless of whether or not this stands in conflict with the will of the people in those areas.

The religious right in the U.S. does not simply have the power or influence (nor will they ever) to bring about the types of laws you fear.

Yes, they would prefer to live in society where people didn't drink as much, or do drugs, or have premarital sex, but they aren't going around bombing shit to get their way. (Aside from the rare, VERY RARE, abortion clinic bombing.) And when such things happen, the conferences of the respective conservative denominations in this country are quick to denounce such actions of violence and strip the membership/funding of any church found to encourage/promote such activity.

The reality in America is that the are millions of religious, right-wing Americans with millions of firearms and rounds of ammunition, and YET, despite the ability to cause a lot of damage, they DON'T.

Why?

They aren't interested.

The religious right in this country monitors itself and keeps themselves in check. This is not the case in your average Islamic nation where the radicals are encouraged and often even funded by the state.

When I was growing up I did not like religious people. They were always looking down on me for drinking, and smoking, and gambling, and basically doing anything that constituted a good time. But they never prevented me from doing any of those things legally. Not anymore than the leftists.

Meanwhile,

the left has made laws that prevent me from doing countless things without facing serious penalty. Such as...

smoking in my own bar
smoking in my own car
playing dodgeball in school
playing kickball in school
going off a diving board at the local swim club
firing worthless employees if they aren't white males
selling a gun to my dad
buying a gun from my friend's brother
leaving my house on vacation for a month without hiring a lawn care service
building a deck in my backyard
letting my niece set up a lemonade stand in our driveway
riding my bike down the block without a helmet
and of course choosing not to buy health insurance

And those are things just off the top of my head. There are dozens and dozens of others I could come up with if I wanted to take the time. Which I don't. The bastards have taken enough of it already.

So you go and cry about religious people and the GOP. They aren't stopping you from doing jack shit.

there is little question that MapCap, BY FAR is the most intelligent poster in any of these forums.

What a breath of fresh air.

[Andy117]

Meanwhile,

the left has made laws that prevent me from doing countless things without facing serious penalty. Such as...

smoking in my own bar
smoking in my own car What state doesn't allow this?
playing dodgeball in school
playing kickball in school
going off a diving board at the local swim club That's probably more an insurance issue more than anything
firing worthless employees if they aren't white males What law prevents this?
selling a gun to my dad
buying a gun from my friend's brother
leaving my house on vacation for a month without hiring a lawn care service
building a deck in my backyard Zoning laws come from both sides
letting my niece set up a lemonade stand in our driveway
riding my bike down the block without a helmet For adults? Only heard of this for children
and of course choosing not to buy health insurance The mandate was originally a conservative idea

And those are things just off the top of my head. There are dozens and dozens of others I could come up with if I wanted to take the time. Which I don't. The bastards have taken enough of it already.

So you go and cry about religious people and the GOP. They aren't stopping you from doing jack shit.

I personally love the smoking ban in restaurants.

[MoneyLineDawg]

3) Legalization of Marijuana

In my state, and many others, the left are just as much against this as the GOP

4) Gambling/lottery

Ditto

Have any links or examples?

Any time I can remember, it's usually been a jerkoff Republican that has spoken up against either of these issues. I'm sure there's also some dumbass Democrats too with moronic views on these issues, but I really can't recall seeing it

Just curious.

[THE_LOCKSMITH]

[The Madcap]

I personally love the smoking ban in restaurants.

OK.

In the words of Dave Chappell...

"Some people say a cucumber tastes better pickled."

[The Madcap]

Have any links or examples?

Any time I can remember, it's usually been a jerkoff Republican that has spoken up against either of these issues. I'm sure there's also some dumbass Democrats too with moronic views on these issues, but I really can't recall seeing it

Just curious.

Yeah, there's a reason for that. We'll get to it in a minute.

Marijuana....


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3479283.html

Some points to note from the map:

-Most of the states with legalized/or medicinal marijuana are on the west coast.

-Arizona/Montana/Alaska are more "traditional" red states and have medicinal marijuana, whereas several bluer states back east that have gone to Obama the past couple elections (New York, Wisconsin, Minnesota, New Hampshire, Maryland, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Illinois) do not.

This would seem to indicate a larger correlation to geographical region/climate than political leadership.


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Gambling....

well considering there are only three fukking states in the whole damn country that have legalized sports gambling, meaning 47 DO NOT, and a lot of those states are run by Democrats, I'd think this would be pretty self-evident.

But if you need more info....

18 states currently allow casinos...(other than Indian Casinos)

They are....

Colorado
Delaware
Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Louisiana
Maryland
Massachusetts
Michigan
Mississippi
Missouri
Nevada
New Jersey
Ohio
Pennsylvania
South Dakota
Washington
West Virginia

1/3 of those are red states.

And notice there are a lot of blue states missing who don't allow casinos.

Other interesting tidbits...

Oregon has legalized sports gambling, but laws against casinos.
New York has a race track, but no casinos.
New Jersey (and their Republican governor) is in the news today pushing to legalize sports gambling....

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/06/...betting-legal/


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So back to your comment....

"Any time I can remember, it's usually been a jerkoff Republican that has spoken up against either of these issues."

Well no shit.

That's what they want you to think.

Think of all you've just read. Think of how the reality conflicts with your perception. What could possibly shape your understanding of these issues in such a skewed way?

it's called the fukking MEDIA.

So the next time you hear someone pissed off about liberal media bias, now you'll know what they're talking about.

[SportsInteLect]

Yes,

but you missed a crucial difference:

Here in America (unlike places like Saudi Arabia/Pakistan/Iran etc.) religious fundamentalists have little to no power.

When was the last time the religious right prevented you from doing something you wanted to do? Seriously. Got an example?

I can't think of the last time they stood in the way of me doing something I wanted to do (not unless the left was helping to prevent it as well.)

The idea that radicals on the religious right have power/influence in this country is a myth propagated by the media to keep us in fear of backwoods theologians whose own conferences have marginalized them to the best of their ability.

Think about it, what are the major issues for the religious right?

1) Abortion

During the Bush Administration the conservatives controlled the executive/legislative/judicial branches. Did Roe V Wade get overturned?

NOPE.

Why?

Because the radicals on the religious right didn't have enough power and influence to do so. All they got was the "partial-birth abortion ban" which had little to do with them as plenty of secular people favored as well.

2) Gay Marriage

The chances of their being an amendment on the federal level to ban gay marriage are slim to none.

Why? The religious right doesn't have the power/influence.

It is only on the state level where any laws have been put on the books about gay marriage, and most don't even prevent gay marriage, they simply refuse to call it "marriage."

3) Legalization of Marijuana

In my state, and many others, the left are just as much against this as the GOP

4) Gambling/lottery

Ditto

5) Teaching creationism in schools

Yes, it's true, in certain small pockets of America (notably Georgia, Arkansas, and Alabama) local school districts in these areas have fought for the ability to teach creationism in the classroom. But only in their specific districts and NO WHERE ELSE. This is a far cry from Darwinists on the other side who have fought to prevent any school district from teaching creationism regardless of whether or not this stands in conflict with the will of the people in those areas.

The religious right in the U.S. does not simply have the power or influence (nor will they ever) to bring about the types of laws you fear.

Yes, they would prefer to live in society where people didn't drink as much, or do drugs, or have premarital sex, but they aren't going around bombing shit to get their way. (Aside from the rare, VERY RARE, abortion clinic bombing.) And when such things happen, the conferences of the respective conservative denominations in this country are quick to denounce such actions of violence and strip the membership/funding of any church found to encourage/promote such activity.

The reality in America is that the are millions of religious, right-wing Americans with millions of firearms and rounds of ammunition, and YET, despite the ability to cause a lot of damage, they DON'T.

Why?

They aren't interested.

The religious right in this country monitors itself and keeps themselves in check. This is not the case in your average Islamic nation where the radicals are encouraged and often even funded by the state.

When I was growing up I did not like religious people. They were always looking down on me for drinking, and smoking, and gambling, and basically doing anything that constituted a good time. But they never prevented me from doing any of those things legally. Not anymore than the leftists.

Meanwhile,

the left has made laws that prevent me from doing countless things without facing serious penalty. Such as...

smoking in my own bar
smoking in my own car
playing dodgeball in school
playing kickball in school
going off a diving board at the local swim club
firing worthless employees if they aren't white males
selling a gun to my dad
buying a gun from my friend's brother
leaving my house on vacation for a month without hiring a lawn care service
building a deck in my backyard
letting my niece set up a lemonade stand in our driveway
riding my bike down the block without a helmet
and of course choosing not to buy health insurance

And those are things just off the top of my head. There are dozens and dozens of others I could come up with if I wanted to take the time. Which I don't. The bastards have taken enough of it already.

So you go and cry about religious people and the GOP. They aren't stopping you from doing jack shit.

I asked the copy and paste idiot that claims to be educated to answer my post.

Let me make it clear that in no way am I saying that democrats are angels. I hate liberal democrats. Just like I hate conservative republicans. I just hate conservative republicans, EVEN MORE. Is that all you got? Yeah, I know, one is more violent than the other. I never said they are identical to each other. I said they are ALMOST identical to each other. The republican platform is based on Theo-totalitarian-fascism.

There is a difference between islamist terrorists and christian conservative terrorists and that is one is more violent than the other. That is the only thing that separates them. Go down the check list and they are almost a perfect match of each other. Give a muslim terrorist and a christian conservative terrorist the same check list of what a perfect government would look like. I guarantee that they almost get the same score.

The only difference is one follows Muhammad and the other Jesus. A hundred years ago they both would have been as equally violent. Republicans have people in every position of power, so there is no need to commit terrorist acts of violence. Judges, law enforcement, corporations, and politicians are all owned mostly by republicans. There is no need to use violence to get what they want. The political process works just fine for them.

You're right. The religious right has never stopped me from doing anything. They never will. I will do it anyway. It's the uproar and mass hysteria they create to try to stop me is what pisses me off. All politicians are religious fundamentalists. It's just the republican party openly mixes religion and politics more than democrats do. If the left voted to get a republican bill in power. It was because republicans gave democrats something in return. And, Vice Versa.

I blame the party that introduced the dumb bill and not the few who went along with it for political purposes. They don't have the power to stop abortion. But they are the party that uses a fake book of mythological fairy tales to justify their crazy idiotic beliefs. My point is democrats don't make abortion, gay marriage, pot, drugs, gambling, or creationism political ISSUES. If Obama was to make abortion, gay marriage, pot, drugs, and gambling legal. Which party would preach Jesus on every single platform and would fight with every single scare tactic they can think of to prevent it.

Which party would make and create an uproar with mass hysteria over Darwinism being the only thing taught in ALL schools. I don't care about state or federal levels. I care about the politicians behind the issues. I pay attention to the party and politicians that bring the issues to the forefront. I pay attention to the political party that makes a certain issue a political issue. So you're saying that fox news is purposely portraying republicans in a negative light?

You have this idea that liberals get their information on what republicans believe in from liberal sources. I get my information on republicans from the republicans themselves. My perspective on republicans was created by reading what republicans think and say. By listing and watching republicans I can learn all about what they believe. The liberal media didn't make me think this way. The words that come out of republican politicians, voters, writers, radio personalities, TV personalities is what brought me to the conclusion that republicans are worse than democrats and are Theo-totalitarian-fascists.

It's not a myth that they are in control. I hate Reagan, Nixon, Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. with a passion. All of them are christian terrorist dictators in my eyes. Yes, I am aware of those stupid new laws and regulations created by liberal nanny state democrats. You see blue and red states. I see, who are the people in charge? Who are the politicians, judges, and the heads of law enforcement in power. It's a known fact that most of the people in positions of power lean republican. Which party openly and vigorously opposes legalizing drugs on a continuous basis.

Which party financially benefits the most from drug laws? Nanny state democrats are out of control. The Obama administration is the worst democrat administration in history. I think this is the first time in US history that democrats are actually in positions of power. I think that is why democrats are out of control. They have never had any power before. For the first time in history they are making political strides. The difference is that democrats are not religiously motivated, racially motivated, or motivated by bigotry with their policies. I'm not given much of a choice.

If you make me choose between blue-socialist-commie-nanny-fascists and red-Theo-bigot-totalitarian-fascists. I'm going to pick the blue one. Especially the blue one that believes in science. Today both sides are equally bad. Before the Obama administration came to be. I would have never said that. They should let democrats control social issues and republicans control business issues. You think my beliefs are created by the liberal media.

I only read and watch things created by republicans, mostly. Joe Rogan hates both parties. Maher and Stewart are left leaning libertarians, like I am. They hate both parties, but hate the anti-science, religious right, nut job, terrorists, more. Just as I do. CNN, CBS and NBC are boring. Fox News is entertainment news. I'd rather get my news from the idiots I hate. It gives me a look at the mindset of the enemy. John Stossel is my favorite reporter, journalist, author and columnist.

My favorite TV programs are:

John Stossel: Stupid in America
John Stossel: War on Drugs: A War on Ourselves
John Stossel: No They Can't
John Stossel: Illegal Everything
John Stossel: Myths, Lies and Complete Stupidity

You can find them on YouTube. Everyone should see these TV specials. Ive seen them all a few times. I can't get enough. I would vote for him to be president. The idiots still label me a democrat.

[Kpn]

firing worthless employees if they aren't white males

Madcap can attest to me being fairly politically centrist in the modern world (left in USA, because of their skew)

I'm in Canada and this quote is far more evident here. The only acceptable group there are no consequences to saying or doing things to is white males.

[ADR51]

That would be against forum policy dumbshit.

Sweet Jesus.

Ohhh, careful with the forum police!

[Hustler11]

Just a heads up, you have to be very careful these days with what you write on the internet. You don't want to say anything on here that a future employer could get a hold of. Diversity is a big thing in the workforce and in school admissions. Bill Maher is a millionaire many many times over and can say whatever he wants without consequence....notice how people who want to say certain things about Islam, "come up to me privately."

Explain to me how a future employer is going to get a hold of what he says behind the name TheRifleman?

[ADR51]

Hilarious stupidity.

you're an imbecile and an UNEDUCATED DOLT.

How are you going to make it through the rest of your life being so dumb?

Seriously.

Dude, seriously, you can't be that childish, is really funny, Your only argument is curseand calling names.
Any other post you make is a copy paste job.

[Mikail]

Bill Maher doesn't know sh*t about Islam and apparently neither does the OP who started this thread. Funny how those who hate the truth I.E Islam act as if they are the foremost authority on the subject all the while propagating complete nonsense regarding said subject.

أشهد أن لا إله إلا الله و أشهد أن محمد رسول الله

[Hustler11]

Bill Maher doesn't know sh*t about Islam and apparently neither does the OP who started this thread. Funny how those who hate the truth I.E Islam act as if they are the foremost authority on the subject all the while propagating complete nonsense regarding said subject.

أشهد أن لا إله إلا الله و أشهد أن محمد رسول الله

One thing is for sure, it's not a religion of peace.

[The Madcap]

I asked the copy and paste idiot that claims to be educated to answer my post.

Let me make it clear that in no way am I saying that democrats are angels. I hate liberal democrats. Just like I hate conservative republicans. I just hate conservative republicans, EVEN MORE. Is that all you got? Yeah, I know, one is more violent than the other. I never said they are identical to each other. I said they are ALMOST identical to each other. The republican platform is based on Theo-totalitarian-fascism.

There is a difference between islamist terrorists and christian conservative terrorists and that is one is more violent than the other. That is the only thing that separates them. Go down the check list and they are almost a perfect match of each other. Give a muslim terrorist and a christian conservative terrorist the same check list of what a perfect government would look like. I guarantee that they almost get the same score.

The only difference is one follows Muhammad and the other Jesus. A hundred years ago they both would have been as equally violent. Republicans have people in every position of power, so there is no need to commit terrorist acts of violence. Judges, law enforcement, corporations, and politicians are all owned mostly by republicans. There is no need to use violence to get what they want. The political process works just fine for them.

You're right. The religious right has never stopped me from doing anything. They never will. I will do it anyway. It's the uproar and mass hysteria they create to try to stop me is what pisses me off. All politicians are religious fundamentalists. It's just the republican party openly mixes religion and politics more than democrats do. If the left voted to get a republican bill in power. It was because republicans gave democrats something in return. And, Vice Versa.

I blame the party that introduced the dumb bill and not the few who went along with it for political purposes. They don't have the power to stop abortion. But they are the party that uses a fake book of mythological fairy tales to justify their crazy idiotic beliefs. My point is democrats don't make abortion, gay marriage, pot, drugs, gambling, or creationism political ISSUES. If Obama was to make abortion, gay marriage, pot, drugs, and gambling legal. Which party would preach Jesus on every single platform and would fight with every single scare tactic they can think of to prevent it.

Which party would make and create an uproar with mass hysteria over Darwinism being the only thing taught in ALL schools. I don't care about state or federal levels. I care about the politicians behind the issues. I pay attention to the party and politicians that bring the issues to the forefront. I pay attention to the political party that makes a certain issue a political issue. So you're saying that fox news is purposely portraying republicans in a negative light?

You have this idea that liberals get their information on what republicans believe in from liberal sources. I get my information on republicans from the republicans themselves. My perspective on republicans was created by reading what republicans think and say. By listing and watching republicans I can learn all about what they believe. The liberal media didn't make me think this way. The words that come out of republican politicians, voters, writers, radio personalities, TV personalities is what brought me to the conclusion that republicans are worse than democrats and are Theo-totalitarian-fascists.

It's not a myth that they are in control. I hate Reagan, Nixon, Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. with a passion. All of them are christian terrorist dictators in my eyes. Yes, I am aware of those stupid new laws and regulations created by liberal nanny state democrats. You see blue and red states. I see, who are the people in charge? Who are the politicians, judges, and the heads of law enforcement in power. It's a known fact that most of the people in positions of power lean republican. Which party openly and vigorously opposes legalizing drugs on a continuous basis.

Which party financially benefits the most from drug laws? Nanny state democrats are out of control. The Obama administration is the worst democrat administration in history. I think this is the first time in US history that democrats are actually in positions of power. I think that is why democrats are out of control. They have never had any power before. For the first time in history they are making political strides. The difference is that democrats are not religiously motivated, racially motivated, or motivated by bigotry with their policies. I'm not given much of a choice.

If you make me choose between blue-socialist-commie-nanny-fascists and red-Theo-bigot-totalitarian-fascists. I'm going to pick the blue one. Especially the blue one that believes in science. Today both sides are equally bad. Before the Obama administration came to be. I would have never said that. They should let democrats control social issues and republicans control business issues. You think my beliefs are created by the liberal media.

I only read and watch things created by republicans, mostly. Joe Rogan hates both parties. Maher and Stewart are left leaning libertarians, like I am. They hate both parties, but hate the anti-science, religious right, nut job, terrorists, more. Just as I do. CNN, CBS and NBC are boring. Fox News is entertainment news. I'd rather get my news from the idiots I hate. It gives me a look at the mindset of the enemy. John Stossel is my favorite reporter, journalist, author and columnist.

My favorite TV programs are:

John Stossel: Stupid in America
John Stossel: War on Drugs: A War on Ourselves
John Stossel: No They Can't
John Stossel: Illegal Everything
John Stossel: Myths, Lies and Complete Stupidity

You can find them on YouTube. Everyone should see these TV specials. Ive seen them all a few times. I can't get enough. I would vote for him to be president. The idiots still label me a democrat.

I find your comments surprising considering your appreciation of John Stossel.

Are you not aware that the whole reason he moved from ABC to Fox is because the nanny-staters who run that network couldn't handle his 20/20 exposes on their bullshit?

I grew up hating Baptists/other right-wing religious types for some of the same reasons you do now, but never as an adult have I been worried about them impinging on my freedoms. Most, MOST, are not these theocratic fascists you speak of. You say you base your opinions on what you hear from the Republicans themselves, but there's a difference between the truth and the whole truth. Based on your comments it would seem your radar picks up more on the words of the nutjobs.

"My point is democrats don't make abortion, gay marriage, pot, drugs, gambling, or creationism political ISSUES."

Wait, what?

Surely you meant...

"My point is democrats don't make abortion, gay marriage, pot, drugs, gambling, or creationism religious ISSUES."

Otherwise,

ARE YOU FUCKKING SERIOUS!!!?!!

Holy shit I think my head just exploded.

Um, dude, think back to what the laws used to be in this country. Like abortion and gay marriage. Back to that time when these issues were never talked about. When no one in our nation was making a big deal about them. What changed?

What changed is that the Democrats decided it was their role as politicians to use politics to change the established policies to different policies they preferred. It was nothing BUT politics.

Furthermore,

the first federal laws designed to ban narcotics in this country were introduced by Woodrow Wilson, the godfather of liberal progressivism himself (The Harrison Act).

And then using that as a foundation, nanny-state hero FDR would be the first to put forth laws specifically rooting out and criminalizing marijuana (The Marijuana Tax Act).

When it comes to gambling, at least where I live, it's a major political issue to the Democrats.

And finally,

the issue of creationism only arose AFTER the liberal nanny-state feds went into every school district in every small dot town of America and told them what they could and couldn't teach because one or two atheists in a population of 1,000 couldn't handle being exposed to a culture different than their own complained about it until they never had to see or hear the word "Jesus" again.


It seems to me you are basing your conclusions more on what you hear some people say, and not what these people actually do. It's as if you've never heard of the concept of "pandering."

So I'll let you in on something....

John Stossel's issue with the GOP is not that it's run by theocratic right-wingers,

it's that the morons who run the GOP are too stupid to realize that pandering to the religious right holds them back from connecting with a wider array of Americans and actually making a positive difference. And your comments about who you think they are would be Stossel's Exhibit A.

" It's a known fact that most of the people in positions of power lean republican."

What are the major institutions of power/influence in the United States?

Military
Wall Street/corporate America
Public School System
Academia
Government Departments
Judicial System
American Bar Association
Law Enforcement
Media
Hollywood
Church

Wall Street donated more money to Obama than any President in history. The richest man on Wall Street (Warren Buffett) is a liberal. Of the wealthiest corporations still headquartered in America, outside of Walmart, most are either split or dramatically left-leaning. Think GE, AOl, Time Warner, etc.

Liberals run the Dept. of Education. Liberals run most school districts. Liberals run most schools. Most school teachers are liberals.

Liberals make up the bulk of college chancellors/presidents/BOGs/trustees/deans/faculty in academia.

Liberals run/or make up the vast majority of workers in government programs/agencies. (Dept of Energy, Agriculture, Interior, US Post Office, Fish and Wildlife etc.)

Liberals run the mainstream media, as the majority of journalism graduates in this country are, and have mostly always been, liberals.

Liberals run Hollywood (and the entirety of the music industry outside of Nashville) and have done so largely since the 1960's.

The judicial system across the country is basically like the Supreme Court, SPLIT. Right now SCOTUS is basically a 4.75-4.25 majority for the conservatives. (Kennedy being the swing vote) But it wasn't always that way. On the contrary, for the bulk of the 20th century SCOTUS often had a 6-3/7-2 LIBERAL bent thanks to FDR and Earl Warren.

Most trial lawyers are liberals.

Despite what you think, and despite what their own personal beliefs might be, most cops today actually vote Democrat. At least, in metropolitan areas. Rural LEO's still tend to be heavily conservative. (State troopers vary depending on the local politics of the state)

These Republicans you speak of don't control SHIT. Out of all those positions of power and influence, the only things the right still predominates are the military and the church. And the church has less power in America than it ever has and it is evaporating ever faster.

And while you're sitting there casting stones at these theocratic boogeymen, our commie overlords laugh with delight at how they've turned your hatred of the right-wing zealot against yourself, helping exterminate the last few bastions/strongholds of thought and influence resisting their takeover. While you're busy convincing yourself it's the GOP that's full of fascists, they're trying to slip the "Fairness Doctrine" under your nose to control the airwaves. You are what they would call a "useful idiot."

And I'm not saying that to talk shit to you. I'm not saying it to insult you. I'm saying it, in the hopes that you will ask yourself this one question: "If I favor the left over the right, why doesn't John Stossel?"

If you figure that out, maybe America has a chance.

[Hustler11]

I find your comments surprising considering your appreciation of John Stossel.

Are you not aware that the whole reason he moved from ABC to Fox is because the nanny-staters who run that network couldn't handle his 20/20 exposes on their bullshit?

I grew up hating Baptists/other right-wing religious types for some of the same reasons you do now, but never as an adult have I been worried about them impinging on my freedoms. Most, MOST, are not these theocratic fascists you speak of. You say you base your opinions on what you hear from the Republicans themselves, but there's a difference between the truth and the whole truth. Based on your comments it would seem your radar picks up more on the words of the nutjobs.

"My point is democrats don't make abortion, gay marriage, pot, drugs, gambling, or creationism political ISSUES."

Wait, what?

Surely you meant...

"My point is democrats don't make abortion, gay marriage, pot, drugs, gambling, or creationism religious ISSUES."

Otherwise,

ARE YOU FUCKKING SERIOUS!!!?!!

Holy shit I think my head just exploded.

Um, dude, think back to what the laws used to be in this country. Like abortion and gay marriage. Back to that time when these issues were never talked about. When no one in our nation was making a big deal about them. What changed?

What changed is that the Democrats decided it was their role as politicians to use politics to change the established policies to different policies they preferred. It was nothing BUT politics.

Furthermore,

the first federal laws designed to ban narcotics in this country were introduced by Woodrow Wilson, the godfather of liberal progressivism himself (The Harrison Act).

And then using that as a foundation, nanny-state hero FDR would be the first to put forth laws specifically rooting out and criminalizing marijuana (The Marijuana Tax Act).

When it comes to gambling, at least where I live, it's a major political issue to the Democrats.

And finally,

the issue of creationism only arose AFTER the liberal nanny-state feds went into every school district in every small dot town of America and told them what they could and couldn't teach because one or two atheists in a population of 1,000 couldn't handle being exposed to a culture different than their own complained about it until they never had to see or hear the word "Jesus" again.


It seems to me you are basing your conclusions more on what you hear some people say, and not what these people actually do. It's as if you've never heard of the concept of "pandering."

So I'll let you in on something....

John Stossel's issue with the GOP is not that it's run by theocratic right-wingers,

it's that the morons who run the GOP are too stupid to realize that pandering to the religious right holds them back from connecting with a wider array of Americans and actually making a positive difference. And your comments about who you think they are would be Stossel's Exhibit A.

" It's a known fact that most of the people in positions of power lean republican."

What are the major institutions of power/influence in the United States?

Military
Wall Street/corporate America
Public School System
Academia
Government Departments
Judicial System
American Bar Association
Law Enforcement
Media
Hollywood
Church

Wall Street donated more money to Obama than any President in history. The richest man on Wall Street (Warren Buffett) is a liberal. Of the wealthiest corporations still headquartered in America, outside of Walmart, most are either split or dramatically left-leaning. Think GE, AOl, Time Warner, etc.

Liberals run the Dept. of Education. Liberals run most school districts. Liberals run most schools. Most school teachers are liberals.

Liberals make up the bulk of college chancellors/presidents/BOGs/trustees/deans/faculty in academia.

Liberals run/or make up the vast majority of workers in government programs/agencies. (Dept of Energy, Agriculture, Interior, US Post Office, Fish and Wildlife etc.)

Liberals run the mainstream media, as the majority of journalism graduates in this country are, and have mostly always been, liberals.

Liberals run Hollywood (and the entirety of the music industry outside of Nashville) and have done so largely since the 1960's.

The judicial system across the country is basically like the Supreme Court, SPLIT. Right now SCOTUS is basically a 4.75-4.25 majority for the conservatives. (Kennedy being the swing vote) But it wasn't always that way. On the contrary, for the bulk of the 20th century SCOTUS often had a 6-3/7-2 LIBERAL bent thanks to FDR and Earl Warren.

Most trial lawyers are liberals.

Despite what you think, and despite what their own personal beliefs might be, most cops today actually vote Democrat. At least, in metropolitan areas. Rural LEO's still tend to be heavily conservative. (State troopers vary depending on the local politics of the state)

These Republicans you speak of don't control SHIT. Out of all those positions of power and influence, the only things the right still predominates are the military and the church. And the church has less power in America than it ever has and it is evaporating ever faster.

And while you're sitting there casting stones at these theocratic boogeymen, our commie overlords laugh with delight at how they've turned your hatred of the right-wing zealot against yourself, helping exterminate the last few bastions/strongholds of thought and influence resisting their takeover. While you're busy convincing yourself it's the GOP that's full of fascists, they're trying to slip the "Fairness Doctrine" under your nose to control the airwaves. You are what they would call a "useful idiot."

And I'm not saying that to talk shit to you. I'm not saying it to insult you. I'm saying it, in the hopes that you will ask yourself this one question: "If I favor the left over the right, why doesn't John Stossel?"

If you figure that out, maybe America has a chance.

FINALLY! Somebody who gets it! Liberals have all the influence in the world, thanks MadCap for sharing. Professors use students gullibility to make them member of the party that they want (LIBERA). Liberals are so dirty and slanderous, yet, claim to be the most helpful and caring party. PFFFFFFF

[SportsInteLect]

I find your comments surprising considering your appreciation of John Stossel.

Are you not aware that the whole reason he moved from ABC to Fox is because the nanny-staters who run that network couldn't handle his 20/20 exposes on their bullshit?

I grew up hating Baptists/other right-wing religious types for some of the same reasons you do now, but never as an adult have I been worried about them impinging on my freedoms. Most, MOST, are not these theocratic fascists you speak of. You say you base your opinions on what you hear from the Republicans themselves, but there's a difference between the truth and the whole truth. Based on your comments it would seem your radar picks up more on the words of the nutjobs.

"My point is democrats don't make abortion, gay marriage, pot, drugs, gambling, or creationism political ISSUES."

Wait, what?

Surely you meant...

"My point is democrats don't make abortion, gay marriage, pot, drugs, gambling, or creationism religious ISSUES."

Otherwise,

ARE YOU FUCKKING SERIOUS!!!?!!

Holy shit I think my head just exploded.

Um, dude, think back to what the laws used to be in this country. Like abortion and gay marriage. Back to that time when these issues were never talked about. When no one in our nation was making a big deal about them. What changed?

What changed is that the Democrats decided it was their role as politicians to use politics to change the established policies to different policies they preferred. It was nothing BUT politics.

Furthermore,

the first federal laws designed to ban narcotics in this country were introduced by Woodrow Wilson, the godfather of liberal progressivism himself (The Harrison Act).

And then using that as a foundation, nanny-state hero FDR would be the first to put forth laws specifically rooting out and criminalizing marijuana (The Marijuana Tax Act).

When it comes to gambling, at least where I live, it's a major political issue to the Democrats.

And finally,

the issue of creationism only arose AFTER the liberal nanny-state feds went into every school district in every small dot town of America and told them what they could and couldn't teach because one or two atheists in a population of 1,000 couldn't handle being exposed to a culture different than their own complained about it until they never had to see or hear the word "Jesus" again.


It seems to me you are basing your conclusions more on what you hear some people say, and not what these people actually do. It's as if you've never heard of the concept of "pandering."

So I'll let you in on something....

John Stossel's issue with the GOP is not that it's run by theocratic right-wingers,

it's that the morons who run the GOP are too stupid to realize that pandering to the religious right holds them back from connecting with a wider array of Americans and actually making a positive difference. And your comments about who you think they are would be Stossel's Exhibit A.

" It's a known fact that most of the people in positions of power lean republican."

What are the major institutions of power/influence in the United States?

Military
Wall Street/corporate America
Public School System
Academia
Government Departments
Judicial System
American Bar Association
Law Enforcement
Media
Hollywood
Church

Wall Street donated more money to Obama than any President in history. The richest man on Wall Street (Warren Buffett) is a liberal. Of the wealthiest corporations still headquartered in America, outside of Walmart, most are either split or dramatically left-leaning. Think GE, AOl, Time Warner, etc.

Liberals run the Dept. of Education. Liberals run most school districts. Liberals run most schools. Most school teachers are liberals.

Liberals make up the bulk of college chancellors/presidents/BOGs/trustees/deans/faculty in academia.

Liberals run/or make up the vast majority of workers in government programs/agencies. (Dept of Energy, Agriculture, Interior, US Post Office, Fish and Wildlife etc.)

Liberals run the mainstream media, as the majority of journalism graduates in this country are, and have mostly always been, liberals.

Liberals run Hollywood (and the entirety of the music industry outside of Nashville) and have done so largely since the 1960's.

The judicial system across the country is basically like the Supreme Court, SPLIT. Right now SCOTUS is basically a 4.75-4.25 majority for the conservatives. (Kennedy being the swing vote) But it wasn't always that way. On the contrary, for the bulk of the 20th century SCOTUS often had a 6-3/7-2 LIBERAL bent thanks to FDR and Earl Warren.

Most trial lawyers are liberals.

Despite what you think, and despite what their own personal beliefs might be, most cops today actually vote Democrat. At least, in metropolitan areas. Rural LEO's still tend to be heavily conservative. (State troopers vary depending on the local politics of the state)

These Republicans you speak of don't control SHIT. Out of all those positions of power and influence, the only things the right still predominates are the military and the church. And the church has less power in America than it ever has and it is evaporating ever faster.

And while you're sitting there casting stones at these theocratic boogeymen, our commie overlords laugh with delight at how they've turned your hatred of the right-wing zealot against yourself, helping exterminate the last few bastions/strongholds of thought and influence resisting their takeover. While you're busy convincing yourself it's the GOP that's full of fascists, they're trying to slip the "Fairness Doctrine" under your nose to control the airwaves. You are what they would call a "useful idiot."

And I'm not saying that to talk shit to you. I'm not saying it to insult you. I'm saying it, in the hopes that you will ask yourself this one question: "If I favor the left over the right, why doesn't John Stossel?"

If you figure that out, maybe America has a chance.

Yes, I am aware of why he is no longer with ABC. He constantly exposed the left on their bullshit. Do I worry about the right, no, but I do think they constantly put up barriers on the evolution of the country. That's why I am so angry with them. My radar only picks up the words of the nut-jobs? Are there any righties, who are not nut-jobs in politics? My point is democrats don't make abortion, gay marriage, pot, drugs, gambling, or Darwinism political ISSUES.

Ah, yes, "religious" issues, you got me there. That's exactly how I meant to put it. Yes, I know issues like abortion, prostitution, gay marriage, pot, drugs, gambling, and Darwinsim were not discussed at one time. I know it has been the democrats that have been pushing these topics to the political forefront. It's because liberals believe in the country EVOLVING. Woodrow Wilson was a demokkkrat. Back in those times it was the republicans that were the good guys and the demokkkrats were the bad guys. All that changed once Nixon came to power. A complete shift in the political landscape occurred.

The republican party became the republikkkan party and the democrats became the party of good guys. Look up the southern strategy. I think forcing Darwinism is a good thing for society. All government controlled schools should be forced to teach science ONLY. Now, if people want a private school to teach creationism I'm OK with that. I know what Stossel's issue is with the GOP. I've been a fan of his for years. I don't know about democrat politicians, but 90 percent of democrat voters want to bring the military industrial complex to the ground. The military has to be controlled by republicans because it is a republican business. Just like big oil.

Republicans make way too much money on oil and other resources they get from war to shut it down. Why would wall-street and corporate America want to tax themselves to death? You actually think the United States military industrial complex war machine is controlled by liberals? Really? I thought liberals were anti-war hippies? You actually believe there are liberal Chief's of CIA, FBI, DEA, ICE, Customs, Border Patrol, and Police? I thought liberals were not tough enough to be in charge of these things?

The only liberal I can think of in control of law enforcement is Eric Holder of the DOJ. And, I wouldn't exactly call him a liberal, either. I know his stupid political views. The United States has the HIGHEST incarceration rate on the ENTIRE PLANET and you believe that liberals are responsible for that? I thought if liberals were in charge that it would be lawless anarchy? You actually believe that the prison industry in the United States is controlled by liberals? Republican lawyers, judges, and law enforcement personnel want and need everything to be illegal. Without people getting arrested they would go out of a job.

If liberals and libertarians get their way. A whole lot of people would lose their jobs. Not to mention the billions of dollars the government makes putting people through the republican criminal justice system. The entire US machine is controlled by thousands of Theo-fascist, greedy, corrupt, racist republican Joe Arpaio's. And, it will always be that way. I have no idea what planet you live on. Yes, I am aware of liberals being mostly in control of education. I already said that I despise both parties.

The left doesn't laugh at me at all. I know what they are up to. People who know me in the political forums have seen me attack both sides. You think I don't see the democrats gaining power. You think I don't wish I could stop it. I know exactly why John Stossel favors the right over the left. The reason is that because he wants to take the GOP back to what it originally was. The party of low taxes, freedom, equality, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, and justice for all. A party of the people, for the people, controlled by free people, who are all EQUALS.

I would love to vote for a republican for once in my life. I came pretty close with Ron Paul (even he is a Theo-crat). John Stossel believes the republican party should be for as much freedom as possible. Stossel believes the republican party should be the party in favor of immigrants and the party of all races (remember the republican party freed blacks). Now, republicans use the southern strategy. Stossel believes republicans should be in favor of a woman's choice to choose an abortion. In favor of separation of church and state (like the founding fathers intended).

Stossel believes republicans should be in favor of a woman's right to be a prostitute. In favor of body rights. In favor of less laws and regulations. In favor of gay's having the freedom to marry. In favor of decriminalizing drugs. In favor of legalizing gambling. In favor of encouraging American institutions of education to teach Darwin science. Stossel also believes the republican party should be in favor of bringing ALL US troops home and believes republicans should be in favor of shutting down all US bases around the world. Ask yourself ... would any single republican politician be in favor of this? How would the republican party and its voters act if the United States was to do these things? Would democrats even care, if these things were to happen?

I want the party of Lincoln to be in charge, too. All my political heroes are republicans. It's just the America I envision will never happen with the Theo-fascist-bigot-idiot-republicans of today in power. John Stossel believes his party should evolve with the times. I would tell him... good luck with that impossible dream of changing the idiots, sir.

I believe I have a better shot at getting what I dream of with democrats in power. You can change democrats. I believe it's impossible to fix republicans. I think Stossel's dream of fixing the republicans is impossible. It's like trying to educate radical Muslims. I don't think it's realistically possible. To be honest, I think my dream is pretty much impossible to attain with either party in charge, right now.