[Seaweed]

Look how many go unsolved in Detroit. It's astonishing.

Of course they won't investigate in ghettos. Cops let the criminals kill the criminals. Most of that is done over drugs and is gang related. I'm speaking of a highly thought out executed murder, something you would see on Colombo. I watched every episode of Colombo, and every time i thought the murder was perfect and the guy would get away with it. However, every time Colombo somehow managed to solve the case.

[Seaweed]

The icicle is perhaps the best answer I have seen. It is pure genius, Chi archie. Once it melts, it no longer exists.

[MoneyLineDawg]

The only real way is if you were to murder someone completely random, for no reason, that you have zero connection with

[ACoochy]

The icicle is perhaps the best answer I have seen. It is pure genius, Chi archie. Once it melts, it no longer exists.

I think the fishing line idea has merit and is much more practical than a icicle...

[InTheDrink]

Yeah because every smart criminal likes leaving evidence lying around for ballistics to analyze.

Where they fukked up was by creating a pattern for law enforcement to work from.

The truly 'skilled' ones don't create patterns...

fyi based on the thread title if it was one murder theyd have NEVER EVER been caught....i suppose i had to spell that out a little more clearly in my post?

[ACoochy]

fyi based on the thread title if it was one murder theyd have NEVER EVER been caught....i suppose i had to spell that out a little more clearly in my post?

True. If they'd done something like heading to the local hardware store and bought some pool cleaner and assorted other chemicals to meltdown the weapon after their 1st act of atrocity then history may have been written differently.

Again, hypothetically speaking.

[The Giant]

Seaweed, I knew you were falling in debt to your bookie, but this is not the answer. Murder is never the answer.

Please don't go down this path.

[Seaweed]

Seaweed, I knew you were falling in debt to your bookie, but this is not the answer. Murder is never the answer.

Please don't go down this path.

Giant, I wouldn't hurt a fly. You know that. Plus, we're sitting comfortably at 110 dollars after tonight's push.

[The Kraken]

Saer

Did you do it?

[itchypickle]

See Tom Cruise in Jack Reacher....create a smaller random crime that distracts from the main targeted kill.

[Tully Mars 63]

First let me be completely clear I'd never hurt anyone who wasn't trying to harm me, my family or someone else. Basically someone would have to be pointing a gun at me for me to harm another person. I would just never do it, not in my nature. But if I were to attempt to get away with a homicide the victim would be determine what route I would likely take. If my target were male there's a number of poisons that mimic natural causes, two I'm sure I could make without leaving an evidence trail and one I believe I could steal enough of it without being detected. Obviously the ones I believe I could make would be preferable. And no I'm not sharing what those substances are or how they're made. If it were a female, say a girlfriend, co-worker etc... I'm almost certain I could stage a crime scene that would look enough like a sexual assault and murder but not so much that it was obviously staged. Now chances are anyone who decides to kill someone will be killing someone they know and have motive to off so you'd need to have a solid alibi and it wouldn't hurt to hand investigator another suspect or suspects.

Here's a list of things that might help complete the task-

1.) Spend the early evening at a bar where either people know you or they have at least half way decent in house video security. Order a shit load of drinks. One right after another. Make sure you actually drink less then 1/4 or even 1/8 of these drinks. At first taking drinks into the restroom and just dumping them down the toilet will work, but make sure you have a flask of plain soda to refill it. As the evening progresses it would be fine, likely even a good idea, to start spilling more drinks then you actually drink. After 4-5 hours start talking about leaving and needing to "sleep it off." Let the bartender or some other friend, even a new drinking buddy, "talk" you into taking a cab home. Prior to leaving ask if there's a cheap hotel/motel in the area. Make sure you've scouted one out well in advance. The less security and the more brush the better.

2.) Be prepared. Be very well prepared. In almost any town USA you can find restaurant employees who bike home after their evening shift. Buy a used bike and coat that look a lot like like what one of these people wear. By these item in a town at least 150 miles away and pay cash. Craigslist and stores like the Good Will might be your friend here. Whatever you do don't use your computer to search for these items. And try to by them and store them months before you need them. You don't need to look exactly like this person just enough so any police, pizza or delivery people, cab drivers etc.. people in the area who regularly see this person don't think twice if you're spotted riding your bike to the soon to be scene of the crime. Once you've checked into your room to sleep it off retrieve the bike, coat and any other items you've hidden, well hidden and use them for transportation to your objective. Make sure when you leave your room you put out the maid sign, no not the don't disturb sign... you're drunk after all. Also use a small narrow wire to flip the little security latch closed as you leave. They're suppose to only work or close from the inside but with a little practice you can master flipping it shut and opening it again from outside the room with a small stiff wire. also make sure you've planed out your route very carefully. Avoid passing ATM's and any business with video camera. If you don't know exactly where these cameras are you can find the ones that work at night with a night vision scope, less the $100 at a Wal-Mart. Or simply put a good UV filter on your digital camera. Both devices will highlight any video cameras with night vision operating in the area. again this must be done and planed well in advance.

3.) Once you have your route, vehicle and alibi set up your ready to begin the action plan portion of scheme. Here's where the tactics really begin to change depending on your target. If it a man and you're going to poison him it could be as simple as breaking into his car and putting the poison on his cigarettes or his steering wheel. Or you might have to quietly break in and put the poison in favorite morning drink or the coffee maker. Anymore most houses are easier to break into then newer cars. You'll just have to pick your best option based on the habits of your target. Depending on how well you know him and what access you have to his personal item you might be able to get a spare key to his car and or house.

If your target is a woman and you're going with the "she was raped and killed" route you will have needed a bit more prep work. A sex offender list, complete with addresses, are available in most communities and could be your ticket to the mother lode of evidence for you to plant. Find a really nasty fukk and follow him until you know what he smokes, where he drinks, what porn stores he visits etc... Follow him long enough and you'll more then likely be able to gather cigarette butts , soda cans and various other item that will have his DNA on them. If you really want to do it up right follow him after he leaves a "beat-off" both at the local porn store. A pair of surgical gloves and zip lock bag and you're walking out with his sperm on a paper towel. Soak that towel in distilled water, pour it in a new condom let it dry and you're in business.

4.) Again be prepared. Be sure Mr. Sex Offender has a fresh supply of his favorite drugs and/or alcohol. An annon. gift of his favorite booze laced with some opiates should knock him on his ass. Last thing you need is for him to have an alibi as good or even better then yours. So if possible give him a nice little black out. It's his bad luck and your good fortune most sex offenders are loners with few friends. If you have to break into either house make sure you have a painters suit, the type they use to spray cars. They're mainly paper and can be burned or dumped in a river later. They'll also lessen the chance you leave so much as a fleck of your skin yet alone a stray hair You're also going to need a screw driver, a cheap cell phone jammer, some rope and duct tape. Most guns hows have cell phone jammers or they can be ordered online. I wouldn't even try to hide having it, tell friends and show them you use it at movie theaters to keep people from ruining your movie. They'll also lessen the chance you leave so much as a fleck of your skin yet alone a stray hair. If you're taking out the female make sure you dump several cigarette butts you've collected from Mr. sex offender near her bedroom window. Use you screw drivers to disconnect her phone line and turn on the jammer, you don't want her calling for help now. The break in quietly as possible. Once in rush her. Choke her out with a sleeper hold, it's easy to learn and anyone should be able to do it. You need her alive long enough to make sure her gets bruised in all the right places. If you kill her and then try to simulate a sexual attack it's not going look right to any trained investigator. Once you bruised her on the inner thighs, her ass and maybe breasts you're going to want to get that condom with your suspects DNA/sperm on it and slide just a part of it onto the handle of your screw driver and get some of her "juices" on the outside of the condom. Now you can take the rope and choke her until she's dead. This entire process should take less then 5-6 minute. Throw a new condom in the toilet and leave the one with DNA and body fluids between the toilet seat and the bowl, make sure it's not easily seen at first glance. Now pour and splash the same brand of liquor your sent to your suspect on the bed and near the body. Make sure t smells like whatever he's drinking. Now go reconnect her phone and turn off your jammer. Return to your hotel room making sure you get rid of your painters suit and any other items you used including the bike, coat etc... A hefty garbage bag, a big rock and a bridge over a river can help you here. Again plan your route well. At this point even if you're stopped and asked what you're doing you're just a drunk who decided to try to walk if off.

Return to your room and try t get some sleep or just watch TV. Make sure you have at least a pint of liquor. Around 8 or 9 drink it. Having a blood alcohol level the next morning will do nothing but help your alibi. Especially if the police show up to question you. If they do question you you know absolutely nothing but you want an attorney. But you're willing to take a blood test or breath test. Once your attorney arrives ask him about DNA reliability and then be fine with offering to submit some. If you did it right there wont be a trace of you at the scene. Certainly not your semen. Whatever you do don't talk much, when you do talk get the questions wrong, you're hung over and still a little drunk. Let your attorney talk.

Lastly never tell anyone what you've done. I seen a lot of people with great planning get nailed because they just had to talk. Most of the ones I've known didn't kill anyone but had really well thought out plans to steal this or that and only got nabbed because they blabbed. Never blab.

[Kpn]

Wow Tully that is very well thought out. My only questions are, how are you paying for the hotel? What if the receptionist is paying attention enough not to notice the fact the sex offender nor woman have been there/payed for a room before? Also the chance of cameras catching you hauling in the bodies into the room, or the maid being typical and not respecting the don't come in sign and calling the police prior to getting the sex offender into the room and making the scene prep'd with DNA.

Don't forget to keep matches or a lighter with the frame'ee, if you don't how would he even have cigarette butts? Also no one beats off at a porn store this isn't 1998, getting semen would be a lot more difficult depending on what he does after, garbage or toilet. Could pass it off as a case of whiskey dick and just take a swab inside of his penis and place that DNA inside the condom or directly inside the victim and break the condom to make it look like it accidentally got inside which caused him not to ejaculate out of fear, more spontaneous as opposed to clear cut night event.

[Let's Go Rangers]

First let me be completely clear I'd never hurt anyone who wasn't trying to harm me, my family or someone else. Basically someone would have to be pointing a gun at me for me to harm another person. I would just never do it, not in my nature. But if I were to attempt to get away with a homicide the victim would be determine what route I would likely take. If my target were male there's a number of poisons that mimic natural causes, two I'm sure I could make without leaving an evidence trail and one I believe I could steal enough of it without being detected. Obviously the ones I believe I could make would be preferable. And no I'm not sharing what those substances are or how they're made. If it were a female, say a girlfriend, co-worker etc... I'm almost certain I could stage a crime scene that would look enough like a sexual assault and murder but not so much that it was obviously staged. Now chances are anyone who decides to kill someone will be killing someone they know and have motive to off so you'd need to have a solid alibi and it wouldn't hurt to hand investigator another suspect or suspects.

Here's a list of things that might help complete the task-

1.) Spend the early evening at a bar where either people know you or they have at least half way decent in house video security. Order a shit load of drinks. One right after another. Make sure you actually drink less then 1/4 or even 1/8 of these drinks. At first taking drinks into the restroom and just dumping them down the toilet will work, but make sure you have a flask of plain soda to refill it. As the evening progresses it would be fine, likely even a good idea, to start spilling more drinks then you actually drink. After 4-5 hours start talking about leaving and needing to "sleep it off." Let the bartender or some other friend, even a new drinking buddy, "talk" you into taking a cab home. Prior to leaving ask if there's a cheap hotel/motel in the area. Make sure you've scouted one out well in advance. The less security and the more brush the better.

2.) Be prepared. Be very well prepared. In almost any town USA you can find restaurant employee who bikes home after their evening shift. Buy a used bike and coat that look a lot like like what one of these people wear. By these item in a town at least 150 miles away and pay cash. Craigslist and stores like the good will might be your friend here. Whatever you do don't use your computer to search for these items. and try to by them and store them months before you need them. You don't need to look exactly like this person just enough so any police, pizza or delivery people, cab drivers people in the area who regularly see this person don't think twice if you're spotted riding your bike to the soon to be scene of the crime. Once you've checked into your room to sleep it off retrieve the bike, coat and any other items you've hidden, well hidden and use them for transportation to your objective. Make sure when you leave your room you put out the maid sign, no not the don't disturb sign... you're drunk after all. Also use a small narrow wire to flip the little security latch closed as you leave. They're suppose to only work or close from the inside but with a little practice you can master flipping it shut and opening it again from outside the room with a small stiff wire. also make sure you've planed out your route very carefully. Avoid passing ATM's and any business with video camera. If you don't know exactly where these camera are you can find the one that work at night with a night vision scope, less the $100 at an Wal-Mart. Or simply put a good UV filter on your digital camera. Both devices will highlight any video cameras with night vision operating in the area. again this must be done and planed well in advance.

3.) Once you have your route, vehicle and alibi set up your ready to begin the action plan portion of scheme. Here's where the tactics really begin to change depending on your target. If it a man and you're going to poison him it could be as simple as breaking into his car and putting the poison on his cigarettes or his steering wheel. Or you might have to quietly break in and put the poison in favorite morning drink or the coffee maker. Anymore most houses are easier to break into then newer cars. You'll just have to pick your best option based on the habits of your target. Depeding on how well yu know him and what access you have to his personal item you might be able to get a spare key to his car and or house.

If your target is a woman and you're going with the "she was raped and killed" route you will have needed a bit more prep work. a sex offender list, complete with addresses available in most communities could e your ticket to the mother lode of evidence for you to plant. Find a really nasty fukk and follow him until you know what he smokes, where he drinks, what porn stores he visits etc... Follow him long enough and you'll more then likely be able to gather cigarette butts , soda cans and various other item that will have his DNA. If you really want to do it up right follow him after he leave a "beat-off" both at the local porn store. A pair of surgical gloves and zip lock bag and you're walking out with his sperm on a paper towel. Soak that towel in distilled water, pour it in a new condom let it dry and you're in business.

4.) Again be prepared. Be sure Mr. Sex Offender has afresh supply of his favorite drugs and/or alcohol. An annon. gift of his favorite booze laced with some opiates should knock him on his ass. Might even give him a nice black out. It's his bad luck and your good fortune most sex offenders are loners with few friends. If you have to break into either house make sure you have a painter suit, the type they use to spray cars. They're mainly paper and can be burned or dumped in a river later. They'll also lessen the chance you leave so much as a fleck of your skin yet alone a stray hairYou're also going to need a screw driver, a cheap cell phone jammer, some rope and duct tape. Most guns hows have cell phone jammers or they can be ordered online. I wouldn't even try to hide having it, tell friends and show them you use it at movie theaters to keep people from ruining your movie. They'll also lessen the chance you leave so much as a fleck of your skin yet alone a stray hair. If you're taking out the female make sure you dump several cigarette butts you've collected from Mr. sex offender near her bedroom window. Use you screw drivers to disconnect her phone line and turn on the jammer, you don't want her calling for help now. The break in quietly as possible. Once in rush her. Choke her out with a sleeper hold, it's easy to learn and anyone should be able to do it. You need her alive long enough to make sure her gets bruised in all the right places. If you kill her and then try to simulate a sexual attack it's not going look right to any trained investigator. Once you bruised her on the inner thighs, her ass and maybe breasts you're going to want to get that condom with your suspects DNA/sperm on it and slide just a part of it onto the handle of your screw driver and get some of her juices on the outside of the condom. Now you can take the rope and choke her until she's dead. This entire process should take less then 5-6 minute. Throw a new condom in the toilet and leave the one with DNA and body fluids between the toilet seat and the bowl, make sure it's not easily seen at first glance. Now pour and splash the same brand of liquor your sent to your suspect on the bed and near the body. Make sure t smells like whatever he's drinking. Now go reconnect her phone and turn off your jammer. Return to your hotel room making sure you get rid of your painters suit and any other items you used including the bike, coat etc... A hefty garbage bag, a big rock and a bridge over a river can help you here. Again plan your route well. At this point even if you're stopped and asked what you're doing you're just a drunk who decided to try to walk if off.

Return to your room and try t get some sleep or just watch TV. Make sure you have at least a pint of liquor. Around 8 or 9 drink it. Having a blood alcohol level the next morning will do nothing but help your alibi. Especially if the police show up to question you. If they do question you you know absolutely nothing but you want an attorney. But you're willing to take a Blood test or breath test. Once your attorney arrives ask him about DNA reliability and then be fine with offering to submit some. If you did it right there wont be a trace of you at the scene. Certainly not your semen. Whatever you do don't talk much, When you do talk get the questions wrong, you're hung over and still a little drunk. Let your attorney talk.

Lastly never tell anyone what you've done. I seen a lot of people with great planning get nailed because they just had to talk. Most of the ones I've known didn't kill anyone but had really well thought out plans to steal this or that and only got nabbed because they blabbed. Never blab.

Better make sure the hotel is key entry and not the swipe card entry...
Otherwise while you were "sleeping it off" someone accessed your card to gain entry to your room.
Same applies if you use swipe card to gain access to entry other than the lobby

[Let's Go Rangers]

Let's say a person lives 50 miles away from you and you plan on having them murdered. How would you have it done so that you do not get caught? Is it possible to create and execute a prefect murder?

1) invite them for Christmas dinner

2) pick them up at the airport but tell them they have to ride in the trunk

3) ...

[Tully Mars 63]

Wow Tully that is very well thought out. My only questions are, how are you paying for the hotel? What if the receptionist is paying attention enough not to notice the fact the sex offender nor woman have been there/payed for a room before? Also the chance of cameras catching you hauling in the bodies into the room, or the maid being typical and not respecting the don't come in sign and calling the police prior to getting the sex offender into the room and making the scene prep'd with DNA.

Don't forget to keep matches or a lighter with the frame'ee, if you don't how would he even have cigarette butts? Also no one beats off at a porn store this isn't 1998, getting semen would be a lot more difficult depending on what he does after, garbage or toilet. Could pass it off as a case of whiskey dick and just take a swab inside of his penis and place that DNA inside the condom or directly inside the victim and break the condom to make it look like it accidentally got inside which caused him not to ejaculate out of fear, more spontaneous as opposed to clear cut night event.

1.) You check into the hotel under your name, it's a main part of your alibi. You want people at the bar to know you're taking a taxi there because you're just too fukking drunk to do anything. I'd make sure when signing in my signature on the check in and on the CC receipt is extremely poorly written and on the wrong line. Make sure you're on their cameras as stumbling and look disoriented. Do whatever it takes to make sure they remember you and that you were really drunk. Go to the wrong floor for your room and then go back and tell the desk "Tis keys don't work *hic* open my door."

I don't even know what you're talking about hauling bodies to rooms. You leave the bodies where you killed them. In the case of offing the female you leave her and as much as Mr. Sex Offenders DNA as you can gather.


2.) You don't know much about places like video stores with "video booths" do you? I had a guy on Parole (I spent 20+ yrs working as a Parole Officer) who's entire job it was was to clean up the video booths after each "customer left." He said it was disgusting. Guys would often try to "shoot their load" onto the TV screen. I've also had guys on parole for sex offenses who's parole agreement forbid them from visiting places like strip clubs and porn store. More then once I've followed them into a porn store with video booths. Now I'm a nice guy so I let them finish before taking them into custody. But it doesn't take a genius to figure out they've been spanking it when they're zipping up their zipper on the way out and there several wet paper towels on the floor behind them. The last town I worked has two stores like this and I know for a fact the local PD still gets calls from the owner and manager when guys get drunk and pass out in the booth with the door locked and they can't get them out.

Now you are right you may not be able to get your fall guys semen, it would be a huge nail if you could but it's not a deal breaker if you don't get it. Hell he might not visit video stores, it's almost certain it's on his parole agreement that he not. But you need something, anything, with his DNA on it to leave at the scene. A paper coffee cup he drank from or cigarette butts. Make sure you get his and only his. Cause when the investigation team arrives and starts collecting stuff they're going to tag and bag everything. They'll certainly tag and bag cigarette butts on the ground outside the victims window or a coffee cup found in the shrub. His DNA is gong to be in the system and when they get around to tsting it they're ging to bring him in to question him. They'll asked "were you ever at _______ address?" "ever do any work for the _______ family?" Etc.. now he's gong to answer no... because he has wasn't and didn't. They're then going to tell him or ask him how his DNA got there and he's going to tell them it wasn't- "no way because I was never there." And the team is gong to have their #1 suspect and who ever else they were looking at, possibly you depending on how strong your motive was, just became an after thought.

[Swinging Johnson]

Seaweed, this is a very dark topic and one I don't think your folks would take kindly to you discussing either in an open forum or even in the confines of your once innocent mind.

There's a rainbow out there just for you Seaweed and conversations like this make those bright, vibrant colors turn a grim, dreary gray. I want you to have a peanut butter sandwich with as much fluffernutter as you please, watch the Wiggles and slowly drift away away into a peaceful slumber.

When you awake, we will not speak of this and I will make certain the mods delete this thread. It is your responsibility to deliver joy and happiness to this world Seaweed. Smiles and laughter are the intoxicants you bring to the masses. Misery is easy, you've got the hard work to do, so do it right little mister and leave this discussion for the nabobs of negativity, of which there are many.

[Tully Mars 63]

Better make sure the hotel is key entry and not the swipe card entry...
Otherwise while you were "sleeping it off" someone accessed your card to gain entry to your room.
Same applies if you use swipe card to gain access to entry other than the lobby

Guess I wasn't that clear about using a small wire to flip the safety lock and why. You flip it into the locked position so no one else can get in the room, except you when you return with the wire to slide it back into the unlocked position. Plus I completely left out you need to tape over the door knob lock so the door can be opened again by you without logging any room entries. It was late and I was tired when I wrote out my plan.

Also as part of scouting you need to find the right hotel, you need a place where the rooms directly access the parking lot. You also either need to find a place that doesn't have a video camera on every floor or you need to do some prep work and take a few cameras out the night before you put your plan into action. The best thing would be find a place where the lobby is covered but the parking lot isn't. Now these days that might be hard. But you absolutely need to stay off any recordings that show you leaving and then returning. Your best bet might be a cheap hotel where people meet to cheat on their wife or husbands. This all goes under prep work and if you don't do it with attention to every detail you could be seriously be hanging yourself. Esp. if your target is the male and you have major motives from wanting him dead. And lets face it if you don't have major motives why are you killing him? With the female once they find Mr. Sex Offender's DNA at the scene and he "lies" to the detectives stating he was never there you're problems will have mostly gone away. But keep in mind they will still tie up loose ends so they'll still be checking out your story. But now their motive will have changed. They'll now be doing that just so a defense attorney can't claim they didn't do a complete investigation. So thinking they've got their man, complete with a DNA match, they'll be wanting to clear your name rather then be closely looking for holes in your story. And being shit faced drunk can clear up a lot of holes. It allows you to answer questions like "did you ever leave the room, ever, even for a short time?" with "Man, not that I remember. I remember being really thirsty and hungry and when I got up that morning there was a half empty bottle of coke on the floor and and empty bag of Doritos... I have no idea where they came from or how they got there."

[Let's Go Rangers]

1 final suggestion

If you get caught...
you blame it on an anti Muslim video...

the press will believe that

[PaperTrail07]

there has to be no motive...

[Let's Go Rangers]

there has to be no motive...

unless he is a contract killer or serial killer there would always be motive

[Boner_18]

Easy peasy. Kill a perfect stranger.

[PaperTrail07]

Like Boner18 said

.....a contract killer the motive is $......

By no motive I mean....a complete stranger, for no reason, randomly,

unless he is a contract killer or serial killer there would always be motive

[Tully Mars 63]

If there's no motive why commit the crime? There's always a motive unless just simply dealing with a "Son of Sam" type nut job. With the plan(s) I detailed above I'd deal with motive, when asked, with a response of "Did I like the person? Hell no! Is the world a better place if they're dead? (until someone specifically tells you they're dead answer all questions as if you think they were simply assaulted. You'd be surprised how many people will state "hey I didn't shoot the guy" only to have the investigator say "who said he was shot?) Tell them "Most likely the world is better off without them" But would I ruin my life and my happiness by doing something stupid just to hurt them and/or their families? Fukk no, they aren't worth it. Karma will always bite people like them in the ass sooner or later, sounds like from what you're telling me and asking me in the case of this asshole/bitch karma decided sooner was better then later." Depending on how well I knew them I might even tell investigators I thought the recently departed led a sad unhappy life, which is why they spent do much time making others unhappy. They're probably more at peace now then when they were still breathing. Myself I enjoyed the fact they were unhappy and honestly I wouldn't do anythng I thought might lead to them being at peace.

The fact is the police will question people and they'll know way before they ask you one question what type of relationship you and the dearly departed had. Telling the police you had no problems with them or didn't even really dislike them while everyone else is saying the two of you hated each other is going to send all kinds of red flags up. IMO it would be best to say "yeah I thought they were more or less a complete POS and I'm not sorry at all something bad happened to them. Just confirms my belief bad things happen to bad people but I had nothing to do with it. When you find the guy or gal responsible let me know so I can donate to their defense fund, my guess is they had ample reason to remove that POS from the gene pool."

[nyplayer33]

askthe guy/guys who killed jimmy hoffa. How people get caught, open up there mouth, confess what they have done, leave behind a trail...

[Ghenghis Kahn]

this is easy. just ask the best lawyer in town. he'll have the best answer.

[Seaweed]

Hernendez, this thread could of helped you

[InTheDrink]

saer killed thegiant!

[Tully Mars 63]

Sounds like Hernandez acted out of anger or other emotions and did something without a plan. These folks are almost always easily caught.

[dante1]

Hey Tully, you have given this some thought guy. lol

How are you my friend, it has been awhile since I said hello. Hope you and your family are well.

[Tully Mars 63]

Hey Tully, you have given this some thought guy. lol

How are you my friend, it has been awhile since I said hello. Hope you and your family are well.

I'm doing good. Hope you are as well. Enjoying some time with my girlfriend while she's off work on summer vacation. There's lots to see and do all around me, it's nice to have some time to go explore. Spent sometime at the fort where Gen. Santa Anna was nearly shot for being a traitor. The guy defeated US forces at the Alamo and was president of Mexico like 16 different times. Those that liked him, loved him. Those that didn't like him wanted him dead. This fort also has what's displayed as Capt. Henry Morgan's personal pistol. It's looks too pristine to me but I guess it could be the real thing. Story is he thought he could capture the town, Camphece, and he thought wrong. It's nice to have more than a weekend to go explore this area.

What can I say I've seen a lot of folks make simply mistakes after planning out a great crime.

I was standing in my office once when a pissed off father tried to attack my boss for not charging a young man with raping his daughter. The kid was later charged but the investigation was taking too long for this dad. Guy actually took a swing at my boss, big mistake. My boss and still one of my best friends stands about 5'4" but is very highly trained. He's like a pasty white Mr. Miyagi. Which probably worked out in this guys favor because he left with a really sore arm and wrist but without actually assaulting anyone. No one in the office wanted to charge him with anything, could have hooked him up with attempted assault of an officer of the court. No one wanted that, we wanted to charge the kid with rape but you need evidence. Evidence can be hard to find when it boils down to he said she said.

After the parent left we basically said "well what would you do if someone raped your kid?" I said "a pre dug hole up in a remote forest fern bed and a couple bags of lye and no one would ever see him again." A young girl intern we had working for us, right out of high school, looked up at me and said "wow, you've put way too much thought into this." Nope that's just the first thing that popped into my head at the thought of someone assaulting my kid. I told her "remember- dig the hole before taking the guy up there. Just like Joe Pesci's character in the movie "Casino" said "you dig the hole first or you could be digging holes all day if other people show up." Her eyes got really big and she stayed away from me for a long time. That was 20 years ago and she's now an officer with another agency. I see her now and then and we're friends today but she told me once that I scared the shit out of her that day.

Take care my friend, enjoy your summer.

[dante1]

I'm doing good. Hope you are as well. Enjoying some time with my girlfriend while she's off work on summer vacation. There's lots to see and do all around me, it's nice to have some time to go explore. Spent sometime at the fort where Gen. Santa Anna was nearly shot for being a traitor. The guy defeated US forces at the Alamo and was president of Mexico like 16 different times. Those that liked him, loved him. Those that didn't like him wanted him dead. This fort also has what's displayed as Capt. Henry Morgan's personal pistol. It's looks too pristine to me but I guess it could be the real thing. Story is he thought he could capture the town, Camphece, and he thought wrong. It's nice to have more than a weekend to go explore this area.

What can I say I've seen a lot of folks make simply mistakes after planning out a great crime.

I was standing in my office once when a pissed off father tried to attack my boss for not charging a young man with raping his daughter. The kid was later charged but the investigation was taking too long for this dad. Guy actually took a swing at my boss, big mistake. My boss and still one of my best friends stands about 5'4" but is very highly trained. He's like a pasty white Mr. Miyagi. Which probably worked out in this guys favor because he left with a really sore arm and wrist but without actually assaulting anyone. No one in the office wanted to charge him with anything, could have hooked him up with attempted assault of an officer of the court. No one wanted that, we wanted to charge the kid with rape but you need evidence. Evidence can be hard to find when it boils down to he said she said.

After the parent left we basically said "well what would you do if someone raped your kid?" I said "a pre dug hole up in a remote forest fern bed and a couple bags of lye and no one would ever see him again." A young girl intern we had working for us, right out of high school, looked up at me and said "wow, you've put way too much thought into this." Nope that's just the first thing that popped into my head at the thought of someone assaulting my kid. I told her "remember- dig the hole before taking the guy up there. Just like Joe Pesci's character in the movie "Casino" said "you dig the hole first or you could be digging holes all day if other people show up." Her eyes got really big and she stayed away from me for a long time. That was 20 years ago and she's now an officer with another agency. I see her now and then and we're friends today but she told me once that I scared the shit out of her that day.

Take care my friend, enjoy your summer.

I love history too Tully, that was interesting.

Your last paragraph was funny but I agree with you 100%, I wrote just a few days ago I can't understand why some of these serial killers aren't murdered by a mother or father. I doubt very much that any of them would do jail time, I mean the parents. I guess it is the security but I know I would attempt to beat it.

You too buddy, take care.

[Iw1nBets]

Let's say a person lives 50 miles away from you and you plan on having them murdered. How would you have it done so that you do not get caught? Is it possible to create and execute a prefect murder?

I don't know about murder yo, but if you need help planning a home invasion, hit me up at Red Roof Inn later tonight, and I'll hook you up mane

[Tully Mars 63]

I love history too Tully, that was interesting.

Your last paragraph was funny but I agree with you 100%, I wrote just a few days ago I can't understand why some of these serial killers aren't murdered by a mother or father. I doubt very much that any of them would do jail time, I mean the parents. I guess it is the security but I know I would attempt to beat it.

You too buddy, take care.

There was a semi famous case where a father waited for the police to transport a guy who killed or raped or maybe killed and raped his son. The father found out where the transport would pass and set up in wait as they passed. He pulled out a hand gun and shot the POS in the head. The whole thing was caught by TV news video. I think the guy ended up getting five years, mostly probation. Plead "severe emotional distress" I think. After that prisoner movements/transports became more "need to know" and prisoners are often outfitted with bullet proof vest. The vest wouldn't have help the guy I'm talking abut because he took a direct head shot from a .357. Saved the tax payers a lot of money, too bad the dad had to go to trial at all in my opinion. DA should have cut a deal and let him walk.

[dante1]

Tully I was speaking about that same thing yesterday and a guy found it on youtube and posted it. Let me find it. I said I didn't think he did much time well it ended up he didn't do any time. It was 5 years probation and I applauded that. That was quite a while ago. And you had it exactly, from memory???? Wow

[dante1]

Bragging racist thread...I bumped it.


Thanks again to Kermit.