[mirka50]

this post is priceless)

[PhillyFlyers]

Hitler killed a bunch of Jews, but the Jews that controlled Russia killed millions of white people.

100+ movies about the German Holocaust
No movies about the Russian Holocaust
No movies about the Chinese Holocaust that killed 30 million China men.
No movies about the Cambodian holocaust

To simply say that "Hitler killed a bunch of jews" is over simplistic. It is neither fair nor indicative of the historical record.

The fact is Hitler tried multiple times to have the jews deported to other countries and was rejected each and every time, including by the United States.

I think the Holocaust official story that we have come to know is a lie.

Looking at the pre-war historical records indicates that Germany never once built gas chambers for reasons of genocide. All documents ever presented were drawn up AFTER the war.

Furthermore, the buildings that were identified as the so called "gas chambers" were not hermetically sealed! LOL This means beyond a doubt that if these buildings were being used as gas chambers the Germans would be killing themselves as the gas would have leaked and contaminated the entire area.

What an evil deception. For anyone who is truly interested in learning the true facts about those buildings that were identified as gas chambers and get your fukkin mind blown, google "The Leuchter Report".

[C-Gold]

So I just started looking on some stuff on wikipedia and some other basic sources.

The number widely quoted is 6 million.

So I looked at the number of Jews in Germany pre-war, in the German 1933 census there were 523,000 Jews living in Germany and an estimated 37,000 left after the National Socialist party took over. I'd imagine if anything their population went down as the National Socialists were openly talking about final solutions.

So where do they get 6 million from if only 500,000 Jews were living in Germany? Well they killed Jews in other countries.

Wikipedia lists many other countries, Demark had an estimated 600 killings, Norway 1,000, Italy 6,500. All the way up to the top 4.
Poland 2.7 million killings
Soviet Union 700,000 killings
Hungary 500,000 killings
Germany 135,000 killings

Those numbers seem odd to me, but let's jump back in a second. Here are some other death totals.

Roma Most estimates of Roma (Gypsies) victims range from 130,000 to 500,000
Handicapped persons: 200,000 to 250,000 handicapped persons were killed
Prisoners of War: POW deaths in Nazi captivity totaled 3.1 million
Ethnic Poles: 1.8 to 1.9 million ethnic Polish civilians were victims during the German occupation
Homosexuals: 10,000–15,000 gay men perished in Nazi concentration camps
Other victims of Nazi persecution: Between 1,000 to 2,000 Roman Catholic clergy,
- Serbs: (See World War II persecution of Serbs.) The numbers of Serbs persecuted by the Ustaše is the subject of much debate and estimates vary widely. Yad Vashem estimates over 500,000 murdered
- Slavs were useless sub-humans. As such, their leaders, the Soviet elite, were to be killed and the remainder of the population enslaved or expelled further eastward. As a result of these racist fantasies, millions of civilians in the Soviet Union were deliberately killed, starved, or worked to deat

So do the 3.1 million POW's count as part of the numbers? 1.8 million ethnic poles were killed? What if a Jew ran away from Germany to France? How do you count for the migration? If there are 500,000 Jews in Germany and 200,000 of them fleed the country, that doesn't mean 200,000 are missing so they are dead? How do you count everything?

So basically the numbers say that roughly 50% of the deaths happened in Poland. 3 million to be exact. The numbers also say that 1.8 million non Jewish ethnic poles were killed! So how many Jews were killed in Poland?

If you read up on Auschwitz it says that the records were destroyed and initial estimates there were 2.5 million, then 1.5 million, then 1 million, then 700,000. Pretty big difference don't you think? So much of the numbers come from there, and they have absolutely no idea how many people died there. And who is to say they were all Jews, what if they were part of the 3 million POWs, or the Roma people, or the Homosexuals? Why do all deaths count as Jews.

Were you aware that 3 million POW's were killed? I didn't hear that PR campaign.

So I tried to look by concentration camp on wikipedia. They list the know concentration camps and death estimates. If you add it all up the total only comes up to about 3 million. Where are the rest? How are they off by 50%? That also assumes a 1 million total for Auschwitz, which they have no idea if it is true or not, and what about the other 2 million deaths in Poland?

So when I look at this 6 million number it looks grossly exaggerated. I mean if you asked the average person how many Jews were killed in Germany, they'd probably guess 6 million or 4 or 5 million. No, that number is around 100,000! So basically they are saying that 3 million happened in Poland, and 2 million non Jewish Poles were killed, now where would you guess they were killed? When you look at the concentration camp numbers it only adds up to 3 million.

They said that the German economy was doing awful. When AH came to power, within 2 years his national socialist party had created 6 million jobs. The average German liked that and got behind it. The statistic that kept getting thrown around was "6 million jobs created". Anybody who opposed AH had the 6 million number thrown in their face. It was the popular statistic of the day. Well they said after the war they PR was to reverse that number and throw it in the National Socialists faces. AH didn't create 6 million jobs, he killed 6 million people! This is where the rally cry came from and this is how it was adopted, from what I read.

[inrenokid]

Yes but what makes these new owners so bad? Which is the point. The owner of Chelsa is the best owner out there, is he jew? It seems things get bad and there are jews in control! Wow

[GWags]

So I just started looking on some stuff on wikipedia and some other basic sources.

The number widely quoted is 6 million.

So I looked at the number of Jews in Germany pre-war, in the German 1933 census there were 523,000 Jews living in Germany and an estimated 37,000 left after the National Socialist party took over. I'd imagine if anything their population went down as the National Socialists were openly talking about final solutions.

So where do they get 6 million from if only 500,000 Jews were living in Germany? Well they killed Jews in other countries.

Wikipedia lists many other countries, Demark had an estimated 600 killings, Norway 1,000, Italy 6,500. All the way up to the top 4.
Poland 2.7 million killings
Soviet Union 700,000 killings
Hungary 500,000 killings
Germany 135,000 killings

Those numbers seem odd to me, but let's jump back in a second. Here are some other death totals.

Roma Most estimates of Roma (Gypsies) victims range from 130,000 to 500,000
Handicapped persons: 200,000 to 250,000 handicapped persons were killed
Prisoners of War: POW deaths in Nazi captivity totaled 3.1 million
Ethnic Poles: 1.8 to 1.9 million ethnic Polish civilians were victims during the German occupation
Homosexuals: 10,000–15,000 gay men perished in Nazi concentration camps
Other victims of Nazi persecution: Between 1,000 to 2,000 Roman Catholic clergy,
- Serbs: (See World War II persecution of Serbs.) The numbers of Serbs persecuted by the Ustaše is the subject of much debate and estimates vary widely. Yad Vashem estimates over 500,000 murdered
- Slavs were useless sub-humans. As such, their leaders, the Soviet elite, were to be killed and the remainder of the population enslaved or expelled further eastward. As a result of these racist fantasies, millions of civilians in the Soviet Union were deliberately killed, starved, or worked to deat

So do the 3.1 million POW's count as part of the numbers? 1.8 million ethnic poles were killed? What if a Jew ran away from Germany to France? How do you count for the migration? If there are 500,000 Jews in Germany and 200,000 of them fleed the country, that doesn't mean 200,000 are missing so they are dead? How do you count everything?

So basically the numbers say that roughly 50% of the deaths happened in Poland. 3 million to be exact. The numbers also say that 1.8 million non Jewish ethnic poles were killed! So how many Jews were killed in Poland?

If you read up on Auschwitz it says that the records were destroyed and initial estimates there were 2.5 million, then 1.5 million, then 1 million, then 700,000. Pretty big difference don't you think? So much of the numbers come from there, and they have absolutely no idea how many people died there. And who is to say they were all Jews, what if they were part of the 3 million POWs, or the Roma people, or the Homosexuals? Why do all deaths count as Jews.

Were you aware that 3 million POW's were killed? I didn't hear that PR campaign.

So I tried to look by concentration camp on wikipedia. They list the know concentration camps and death estimates. If you add it all up the total only comes up to about 3 million. Where are the rest? How are they off by 50%? That also assumes a 1 million total for Auschwitz, which they have no idea if it is true or not, and what about the other 2 million deaths in Poland?

So when I look at this 6 million number it looks grossly exaggerated. I mean if you asked the average person how many Jews were killed in Germany, they'd probably guess 6 million or 4 or 5 million. No, that number is around 100,000! So basically they are saying that 3 million happened in Poland, and 2 million non Jewish Poles were killed, now where would you guess they were killed? When you look at the concentration camp numbers it only adds up to 3 million.

They said that the German economy was doing awful. When AH came to power, within 2 years his national socialist party had created 6 million jobs. The average German liked that and got behind it. The statistic that kept getting thrown around was "6 million jobs created". Anybody who opposed AH had the 6 million number thrown in their face. It was the popular statistic of the day. Well they said after the war they PR was to reverse that number and throw it in the National Socialists faces. AH didn't create 6 million jobs, he killed 6 million people! This is where the rally cry came from and this is how it was adopted, from what I read.

11 years ago we had an 19 yr old German AuPair whom we had multiple conversations with regarding the Holocaust. She said that most her family believed AH intentions were genocide but the "official" death camp numbers were way off. Her opinion was the numbers were impossible because she had toured these death camps and they were pretty small - her words. We decided to do some research and spent 2 years trying to figure out if 6 million was possible. Taking in consideration the highest estimates we could not exceed 1.5 million. Was AH a sick POS - yes! But who benefits from the higher death toll? In my opinion there is no way the official Jews killed is realistic. If the number was 100 its still sicking to me. Why elevate the actual number? That's where the this gets interesting.

[C-Gold]

11 years ago we had an 19 yr old German AuPair whom we had multiple conversations with regarding the Holocaust. She said that most her family believed AH intentions were genocide but the "official" death camp numbers were way off. Her opinion was the numbers were impossible because she had toured these death camps and they were pretty small - her words. We decided to do some research and spent 2 years trying to figure out if 6 million was possible. Taking in consideration the highest estimates we could not exceed 1.5 million. Was AH a sick POS - yes! But who benefits from the higher death toll? In my opinion there is no way the official Jews killed is realistic. If the number was 100 its still sicking to me. Why elevate the actual number? That's where the this gets interesting.

Germans aren't even allowed to talk about it. Americans don't really have free speech on this either. If you question 9/11 you are a crazy conspiracy theorist but if you question the 6 million deaths you are an anti-semite racist which is basically worse than saying the N word to any employer.

The Arabs say the total is 50,000 to 100,000 which is still a tragedy but nowhere near the number. I think the incentive is the larger the number the greater the tragedy. Sort of like how when Obama was inaugurated they inflated the number of people there by saying twice as many people attended.

[nyplayer33]

jews are super intelligent and own espn at the broadcast...

[PhillyFlyers]

11 years ago we had an 19 yr old German AuPair whom we had multiple conversations with regarding the Holocaust. She said that most her family believed AH intentions were genocide but the "official" death camp numbers were way off. Her opinion was the numbers were impossible because she had toured these death camps and they were pretty small - her words. We decided to do some research and spent 2 years trying to figure out if 6 million was possible. Taking in consideration the highest estimates we could not exceed 1.5 million. Was AH a sick POS - yes! But who benefits from the higher death toll? In my opinion there is no way the official Jews killed is realistic. If the number was 100 its still sicking to me. Why elevate the actual number? That's where the this gets interesting.

The short answer is money. Germany was forced to pay reparations after WW2 not just in the form of money but also confiscation of property, annexation of territories, dismantling of german industries, intellectual property, and forced labor.

Google The Potsdam Conference. To this date, it is the largest and most comprehensive reparations program ever implemented. Reparatiosn have been paid to the state of israel (which did not even exist during the war), and so called holocaust survivors.

As for AH's intentions being genocide , that is false. I've already addressed this issue. Hitler tried to deport them multiple times and was rejected each time. That is the historical record.

[hotelis]

what a surprise eh? Jews were also in control in Germany before Hitlers rise.

[Pareto]

So I just started looking on some stuff on wikipedia and some other basic sources.

The number widely quoted is 6 million.
Demark had an estimated 600 killings, Norway 1,000, Italy 6,500. All the way up to the top 4.

Just a FYI. There were 7000-8000 jews in Denmark during WW2, most of these escaped to Sweden, but 450 of them were captured by Nazis and brought to the concentration camp Theresienstadt. Out of the 450 captured 51 persons died ( mostly old people from illness ), the rest returned home after the war. You can read about it here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rescue_of_the_Danish_Jews



I dont know where you get the number 600, but that has to include resistence fighters and not only jews.

[Snowball]

Jews print the money. They can buy anything that is for sale.

[CarpeDime]

you have to hand it to them, they must be smart as fuk

how the fuk did they wind up controlling the whole fukin world???

and what can we do about it today??? obviously any new kind of holocost/extermination could never be done nowadays. so how do we solve The Jewish Question in 2013???

[C-Gold]

Just a FYI. There were 7000-8000 jews in Denmark during WW2, most of these escaped to Sweden, but 450 of them were captured by Nazis and brought to the concentration camp Theresienstadt. Out of the 450 captured 51 persons died ( mostly old people from illness ), the rest returned home after the war. You can read about it here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rescue_of_the_Danish_Jews



I dont know where you get the number 600, but that has to include resistence fighters and not only jews.

I got the number from Wikipedia. The problem is they say that 6 million Jews were killed and they start listing how many Jews lived in that country Pre-WWII and then they estimate death totals. But weren't a lot of them fleeing because the words coming out of AH's mouth scared the crap out of them? How many times have you heard of Jews speak about their family fleeing Germany or Europe during the Holocaust? You can't just look at before and after numbers and conclude deaths.

When you look at the death totals from all the concentration camps the number comes up to 3 million. That also doesn't separate between Jews and non Jews and the same source says around 2 million Polish people were killed, 500,000 Gypsies were killed, Handicapped people were killed, Gays were killed. So then how many Jews were really killed?

[C-Gold]

what a surprise eh? Jews were also in control in Germany before Hitlers rise.

That is the point.

The Jews were the "1%ers" of the 1930's in Europe. The average German middle class person was struggling and this guy AH said that you are at least partially suffering because this rich, greedy, immoral, top 1% is screwing you over. Elect my National Socialist party and I will help you take your country back.

[PhillyFlyers]

I got the number from Wikipedia. The problem is they say that 6 million Jews were killed and they start listing how many Jews lived in that country Pre-WWII and then they estimate death totals. But weren't a lot of them fleeing because the words coming out of AH's mouth scared the crap out of them? How many times have you heard of Jews speak about their family fleeing Germany or Europe during the Holocaust? You can't just look at before and after numbers and conclude deaths. When you look at the death totals from all the concentration camps the number comes up to 3 million. That also doesn't separate between Jews and non Jews and the same source says around 2 million Polish people were killed, 500,000 Gypsies were killed, Handicapped people were killed, Gays were killed. So then how many Jews were really killed?

It also does not separate those who were killed for reasons of genocide and those that were put in the camps because they had epidemic typhus.