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confessions of a stiffer
ah, it's lunch time and I was checking out the forum and pz and say some very amusing stuff. I even say my name thrown out at forums i've never heard of or seen... "i'm" even posting at another site already, although amazingly I couldn't even spell my screen name right.... I was gonna give a long winded, detailed, names, amounts, numbers post. but I realize that the "audience" I'd be catering to isn't really worth that 10 mins, nor the disclosure of other posters' names... that's on them if they want to remain annymous or tell their story too.... but I won't snitch... I don't mind being the "bad guy deadbeat stiffer"..... and i'm bored of this..... I'm not sure why people are wasting 20 secs reading this opening paragraph... I'm just a bad man who stiff's people... but we love our soap operas, so get your popcorn, i'll try my best to recollect without digging through my spreadsheets and text messages...
here's the cliff notes I can type out from 1:00-1:45
made a few paypal vs paypal bets with some people on the forum back in feb/march... including T.. I won 3 bets in a row, he paid each time in 1-2 days. just 25-50 bets
I get some pm's and emails from T about his website, i'm a bit wary... but 3 weeks later I decided to give it a try during college b-ball conference championships..
I figure i'll start small (i'm a small timer anyways... 5-25 dollar bets) I win a few weeks in a row, T pays via paypal in a very timely manner... (he promised to always pay within 16 hrs of the finish of the last game on sunday nights.)
(players had like 3 days to pay up to the bookie)
I won 2 weeks in a row and realized that in baskets you could BUY 5 full points at 6 cents a half point, from a reduced juice -104 line
so in other words you could play a -5.5 favorite buy it to -.5 at -164 and be playing the moneyline essentially at -164 on a ml fav around -280-300
using some math, arbs, scalps, middles ect I went on to win 8 straight weeks. But again small time stuff 100-250 bucks. payments were on time. but I knew this couldn't last. No way you can make $ giving those kind of numbers.
around the world baseball classic, I used to get alot of texts or im's from my bookie, about other players... what they were up, what they were down, who hadn't paid ect. some of that has even made its way to the forum, as apparently T, told ALOT of people who was betting with him.... this was a bit disconcerting
but my bookie was confident, he told me that he was doing very well and was gonna "move off shore" in the near future and compete with A+ books. He even had bought a website address for his new book already.
early nba playoffs, and their were no middles... all games were blowouts one way or the other... so there went my 10 point middles and value on point buys. so I lost a few weeks in a row for the first time and pretty big for a small timer like me... I paid no problem. I think I was on a 3 week losing streak, when I started to win big via nba finals especially game 6 live betting on the lakers... AND mlb which i'm actually good at.
won close to 600 somthing one week
won 100 somthing another week
won another 100 somthing....
NO payments, BUT at least I got an email and 1-2 texts everyday saying "payment is going out tonight"
I said, fuk this I fuked around with my account to take a shot at my bookie, since I'd been lied to.... I ending up losing back most of that 700 hundred.
27 days after I was first owed the 500+ I finally got the "difference" via paypal it amounted to about 110 bucks. I asked what the story was, why it had taken so long, "was it other's slow paying" but was ignored and alternately lied to... meanwhile many other posters and friends that were ALSO not getting paid, or had already given up on being paid.....lost....and stiffed...
it was clear there was no more real money coming out of NYC, due to others stiffing, slow pays, and too many people catching on to the 5 point buys at -164 near the end of the playoffs.
I played one more "small time" week of 5-10 buck wagers, won about 60 bucks....
didn't get paid day 1, 2,3,4,5,6,7 and this time no lies or "payment will go out tonight" messages..... just silence
about 3-4 threads were started at that time, about T stiffing them, "where's my payment" ect. I actually don't think any of those were true, but they were reflections of the "real" players that people don't know about it, posters here, and posters at other sites. We all communicated in different ways, to colloborate and find if who had been paid, how much, and when... the writing on the wall was that, the $ had dried up.
so it was time to get out, but I was bitter so I tried to take one last "shot", a shot I knew wouldn't be able to be paid on anyways
I made a series of max 300 limit bets on dogs in MMA, late MLB games, and whatever else was bettable late sunday night. end of the night I was down 1680..
I sent T a message, saying you honestly don't expect to get this $. you knew I was taking a shot, you haven't paid, you've lied, you've slow paid, you haven't even shown you you can cover 500 dollar bets.
he replied saying he knew I was taking a shot and he made it apparent he was upset that I implied that he couldn't cover my small time bets. That's mainly what he was concerned about... telling me that he DID have $ and how he paid soooo much money just to have various sbr posters play at "his book"
I mean i'd be embarrassed to if I couldn't pay a 5 dollar bettor for almost a month. and only paid when a 600 tab was run down to 100
anywho, long way of saying, as i've said to my bookie, the forum/pz, and chat for the last 3 days.... I'm a bad bad degen stiffing asshole.
enjoy your popcornand stone throwing, i'm sure I deserve it
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