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  • Optional
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    • 06-10-10
    • 61350

    #456
    Originally posted by StackinGreen
    Masks do nothing.
    Oh ok.
    .
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    • homie1975
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 12-24-13
      • 15452

      #457
      Originally posted by StackinGreen
      Sweden no masks, open everything, already with herd immunity and single digit deaths in a society that doesn't lack old people.

      Masks do nothing. Securing people at risk does something (if you are worried about them) which may or may not include masks. There is no science whatsoever that masks do anything, in fact all of the studies done have shown N95 don't even change any outcomes, and these are all cloth masks to be worn by asymptomatic people at large.

      Get a clue, this is a total fraud and control scheme. Stop driving entirely if you want to "save a life". It's the dumbest reasoning ever to anyone who has a brain and knows that life is all about benefits vs. risks.

      If I have to tell you that any disease that does not kill 99.5% of the population is not a "crisis" (like the flu), you can't be reasoned with. This is not a lethal virus. Period.
      You don't get it and never will. The sheer hospitalizations needed to treat COVID 19 will overwhelm the healthcare system and that's when the death rate accelerates.

      Some of you just don't get it because you know nothing about the limits of the system to handle a pandemic.

      You won't understand until it hits you at home w mommy daddy grandma or grandpa
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      • Bluehorseshoe
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 07-13-06
        • 14998

        #458
        Originally posted by StackinGreen
        Sweden no masks, open everything, already with herd immunity and single digit deaths in a society that doesn't lack old people.

        Masks do nothing. Securing people at risk does something (if you are worried about them) which may or may not include masks. There is no science whatsoever that masks do anything, in fact all of the studies done have shown N95 don't even change any outcomes, and these are all cloth masks to be worn by asymptomatic people at large.

        Get a clue, this is a total fraud and control scheme. Stop driving entirely if you want to "save a life". It's the dumbest reasoning ever to anyone who has a brain and knows that life is all about benefits vs. risks.

        If I have to tell you that any disease that does not kill 99.5% of the population is not a "crisis" (like the flu), you can't be reasoned with. This is not a lethal virus. Period.
        "Sweden hoped herd immunity would curb COVID-19. Don't do what we did. It's not working.
        Sweden's approach to COVID has led to death, grief and suffering. The only example we're setting is how not to deal with a deadly infectious disease."



        Sweden's approach to COVID has led to death, grief and suffering. The only example we're setting is how not to deal with a deadly infectious disease.
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        • SBR_Guest_Pro
          SBR MVP
          • 02-10-15
          • 3955

          #459
          This death increase is no joke
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          • hehfest
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 09-28-08
            • 7934

            #460
            Couple MACED at California dog park for not
            wearing face masks while having lunch - Watch



            Left Wing 'Health experts' across US call for 2nd COVID
            shutdown...And Therefore the END of The Economy
            Note How They Refuse to Mention S Dakota Or Sweden...

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            • hehfest
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 09-28-08
              • 7934

              #461

              South Dakota.....to my knowledge no social distancing no mask requirement. Doing just fine. Has been doing fine for a long time. Sweden. Once again, never shut down anything, kids back to school, barely social distanced except no groups over 50, and no masks as they were voluntary.
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              • Bluehorseshoe
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 07-13-06
                • 14998

                #462
                <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WH Advisor Larry Kudlow wore a mask today while talking to reporters. Asked why he finally decided to wear one, the 72 year old said seeing reporters wearing masks influenced his decision &amp; he is now encouraging masks as a way to help economy recover. ⁦<a href="https://twitter.com/CBSNews?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CBSNews</a>⁩ <a href="https://t.co/LyLYLcFvYH">pic.twitter.com/LyLYLcFvYH</a></p>&mdash; Paula Reid (@PaulaReidCBS) <a href="https://twitter.com/PaulaReidCBS/status/1287778973431345153?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >July 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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                • StackinGreen
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 10-09-10
                  • 12140

                  #463
                  Originally posted by homie1975
                  You don't get it and never will. The sheer hospitalizations needed to treat COVID 19 will overwhelm the healthcare system and that's when the death rate accelerates.

                  Some of you just don't get it because you know nothing about the limits of the system to handle a pandemic.

                  You won't understand until it hits you at home w mommy daddy grandma or grandpa
                  That's what you said months ago, and were wrong. Like all the prognostications. Wrong, wrong again, wrong some more, never any humility. Sweden didn't do it, never overwhelmed, and we haven't been, and won't be. USS Comfort? Stadiums? Not needed. Ventilators? Another fail.

                  We did the experiment. You know nothing about it. I work at a hospital. Yes I told you I'm a doctor. You don't need to be a doctor to know that a virus that kills only old and fat people (.5% of the population even though there are many more fatasses than that) is not a crisis. If you think a 99%+ survival rate is a health problem, you're frankly an idiot who can't be reasoned with.

                  Stop driving if you want to "save more lives."
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                  • StackinGreen
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 10-09-10
                    • 12140

                    #464
                    Originally posted by Bluehorseshoe
                    "Sweden hoped herd immunity would curb COVID-19. Don't do what we did. It's not working.
                    Sweden's approach to COVID has led to death, grief and suffering. The only example we're setting is how not to deal with a deadly infectious disease."



                    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...mn/5472100002/
                    Nice usatoday editorial. No statistically significant difference, they actually live, peope like you are scared and caused countless others to lose jobs, a future, and take more drugs and drink booze for despair. For what, some guy who is owed unsustainable health care, benefits and has lived 80 years already? GTFO. You didn't say one peep when influenza was "killing" that guy, yet you just killed the future of millions. Great job.
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                    • StackinGreen
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 10-09-10
                      • 12140

                      #465
                      Originally posted by Optional
                      Oh ok.
                      In case you are being sarcastic, N95 respirators do not change the infection rate of respiratory viruses. And we all wear cloth masks, dirty ones that people change maybe weekly. It's a joke, a social experiment, and political terrorism.
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                      • Tanko
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 09-19-09
                        • 5141

                        #466
                        Originally posted by StackinGreen
                        In case you are being sarcastic, N95 respirators do not change the infection rate of respiratory viruses. And we all wear cloth masks, dirty ones that people change maybe weekly. It's a joke, a social experiment, and political terrorism.
                        I would love to see a real scientific study that proves this. Please do not post a study completed by a quack scientist or a facebook post or some article from Foxnews. I want to see a thoroughly reviewed study that states N95 masks to not stop the spread of Covid-19.

                        Without a source, a real scientific source, you are just stating an opinion.
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                        • Tanko
                          SBR Hall of Famer
                          • 09-19-09
                          • 5141

                          #467
                          In case you were wondering, here is a study by the National Institute of Health. One of the most respected institutions in the world.
                          It took 5 seconds to find a real study that proves masks are effective.



                          Results

                          A total of 19 randomised controlled trials were included in this study – 8 in community settings, 6 in healthcare settings and 5 as source control. Most of these randomised controlled trials used different interventions and outcome measures. In the community, masks appeared to be effective with and without hand hygiene, and both together are more protective. Randomised controlled trials in health care workers showed that respirators, if worn continually during a shift, were effective but not if worn intermittently. Medical masks were not effective, and cloth masks even less effective. When used by sick patients randomised controlled trials suggested protection of well contacts.
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                          • KVB
                            SBR Aristocracy
                            • 05-29-14
                            • 74817

                            #468
                            Speaking of NIH.

                            The US Government, through the NIH, has a patent on the medical use of marijuana in it's ability to treat stroke victims.

                            Yet it's still classified, by the US Government, as a schedule I drug which bans it's use for medical research.

                            Fukkers, at least they are laxing some rules.

                            Carry on.

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                            • Stallion
                              SBR MVP
                              • 03-21-10
                              • 3616

                              #469
                              I wear a mask 8-10 hours a day while working. They work.
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                              • MinnesotaFats
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 12-18-10
                                • 14758

                                #470
                                OSHA has a list of rules and environmental qualifications for mask effectiveness.

                                Basically most industrial ones are good for a day. Medical grade require a sterile environment to be effective.

                                If you don't wash your cloth mask after 48 hours it's a cesspool.

                                The "mask" idea is to capture spittle, coughs and sneeze residue from getting on your or your neighbors and by any means. They don't stop the virus from penetrating either end of the mask, but they reduce the spread of physical carriers (saliva, mucus, etc) from reaching surfaces that are touched by multiple people.

                                In that sense, they are quasi effective. But for God's sake, clean them and use new ones frequently or you might as well find a piece of moldy sheetrock to lick
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                                • hehfest
                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                  • 09-28-08
                                  • 7934

                                  #471
                                  Originally posted by StackinGreen
                                  In case you are being sarcastic, N95 respirators do not change the infection rate of respiratory viruses. And we all wear cloth masks, dirty ones that people change maybe weekly. It's a joke, a social experiment, and political terrorism.
                                  You're a good fukker StackinGreen.
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                                  • blankoblanco
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 11-18-11
                                    • 3493

                                    #472
                                    Originally posted by Stallion
                                    I wear a mask 8-10 hours a day while working. They work.
                                    Absolutely. Of course they work. If you understand how COVID spreads at all, it only takes the most basic understanding to realize a mask over the nose and mouth significantly impedes people from spreading it

                                    I seriously don't even get how obvious facts are up for debate. So many Americans (and SBR posters) are such goddamn idiots, and their idiocy has become a weapon, it's infuriating
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                                    • Goat Milk
                                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                      • 03-24-10
                                      • 25850

                                      #473
                                      My brother tested positive today and he's not feeling well. He's young and in great shape.

                                      Take this seriously.
                                      Cause Sleep is the Cousin of Death
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                                      • Buckandadime
                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                        • 04-21-15
                                        • 8847

                                        #474
                                        Originally posted by Goat Milk
                                        My brother tested positive today and he's not feeling well. He's young and in great shape.

                                        Take this seriously.
                                        Hope he comes out fine..
                                        My sis-in-law had it a few weeks back..
                                        Nothing more than a head cold for her..
                                        Attacks people differently and until they find out why, everyone is at risk..
                                        Keep us posted Goat..
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                                        • b1slickguy
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 11-24-11
                                          • 11959

                                          #475
                                          From the New England Journal of Medicine
                                          May 21, 2020

                                          "We know that wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection. Public health authorities define a significant exposure to Covid-19 as face-to-face contact within 6 feet with a patient with symptomatic Covid-19 that is sustained for at least a few minutes (and some say more than 10 minutes or even 30 minutes). The chance of catching Covid-19 from a passing interaction in a public space is therefore minimal. In many cases, the desire for widespread masking is a reflexive reaction to anxiety over the pandemic."


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                                          • homie1975
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 12-24-13
                                            • 15452

                                            #476
                                            Originally posted by Goat Milk
                                            My brother tested positive today and he's not feeling well. He's young and in great shape.

                                            Take this seriously.
                                            some people here won't listen. that's why they deserve to get sick and even better would be if the "hoaxers" lose a loved one. wouldn't that be poetic justice?
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                                            • homie1975
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 12-24-13
                                              • 15452

                                              #477
                                              Originally posted by b1slickguy
                                              From the New England Journal of Medicine
                                              May 21, 2020

                                              "We know that wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection. Public health authorities define a significant exposure to Covid-19 as face-to-face contact within 6 feet with a patient with symptomatic Covid-19 that is sustained for at least a few minutes (and some say more than 10 minutes or even 30 minutes). The chance of catching Covid-19 from a passing interaction in a public space is therefore minimal. In many cases, the desire for widespread masking is a reflexive reaction to anxiety over the pandemic."


                                              https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372
                                              that's a bunch of garbage. masks work all over asia. go ahead and cough on to a surface. see what happens. then wear a mask and cough again, does it go on to the surface?

                                              common sense is not so common.
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                                              • homie1975
                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                • 12-24-13
                                                • 15452

                                                #478
                                                FL 184 COVID deaths reported today. highest daily total so far
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                                                • b1slickguy
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 11-24-11
                                                  • 11959

                                                  #479
                                                  Originally posted by homie1975
                                                  that's a bunch of garbage. masks work all over asia. go ahead and cough on to a surface. see what happens. then wear a mask and cough again, does it go on to the surface?

                                                  common sense is not so common.

                                                  It sure isn't.
                                                  The results of 7 different independent studies completed since 2009 are in the link below.




                                                  Masks Don’t Work: A Review of Science Relevant to COVID-19 Social Policy
                                                  "No RCT study with verified outcome shows a benefit for HCW or community members in households to wearing a mask or respirator. There is no such study. There are no exceptions.

                                                  By making mask-wearing recommendations and policies for the general public, or by expressly condoning the practice, governments have both ignored the scientific evidence and done the opposite of following the precautionary principle.

                                                  In an absence of knowledge, governments should not make policies that have a hypothetical potential to cause harm. The government has an onus barrier before it instigates a broad social-engineering intervention, or allows corporations to exploit fear-based sentiments.

                                                  Furthermore, individuals should know that there is no known benefit arising from wearing a mask in a viral respiratory illness epidemic, and that scientific studies have shown that any benefit must be residually small, compared to other and determinative factors.

                                                  Otherwise, what is the point of publicly funded science?

                                                  The present paper about masks illustrates the degree to which governments, the mainstream media, and institutional propagandists can decide to operate in a science vacuum, or select only incomplete science that serves their interests. Such recklessness is also certainly the case with the current global lockdown of over 1 billion people, an unprecedented experiment in medical and political history."


                                                  https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/...-social-policy
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                                                  • homie1975
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 12-24-13
                                                    • 15452

                                                    #480
                                                    everyone who is saying "wear a mask" is stupid, i get it.

                                                    live in your own world. good luck
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                                                    • Goat Milk
                                                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                      • 03-24-10
                                                      • 25850

                                                      #481
                                                      Originally posted by Buckandadime
                                                      Hope he comes out fine..
                                                      My sis-in-law had it a few weeks back..
                                                      Nothing more than a head cold for her..
                                                      Attacks people differently and until they find out why, everyone is at risk..
                                                      Keep us posted Goat..
                                                      Thanks bro
                                                      Cause Sleep is the Cousin of Death
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                                                      • stefan084
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 07-21-09
                                                        • 1490

                                                        #482
                                                        It would be a paradox if masks and respirators worked, given whatwe know about viral respiratory diseases: The main transmission path is long-residence-timeaerosol particles (< 2.5 μm), which are too fine to be blocked, and the minimum-infective-doseis smaller than one aerosol particle.
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                                                        • b1slickguy
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 11-24-11
                                                          • 11959

                                                          #483
                                                          Originally posted by stefan084
                                                          It would be a paradox if masks and respirators worked, given whatwe know about viral respiratory diseases: The main transmission path is long-residence-timeaerosol particles (< 2.5 μm), which are too fine to be blocked, and the minimum-infective-doseis smaller than one aerosol particle.
                                                          Exactly. It's like putting up a chain link fence to keep mosquitoes out of your yard.
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                                                          • blankoblanco
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 11-18-11
                                                            • 3493

                                                            #484
                                                            Originally posted by stefan084
                                                            It would be a paradox if masks and respirators worked, given whatwe know about viral respiratory diseases: The main transmission path is long-residence-timeaerosol particles (< 2.5 μm), which are too fine to be blocked, and the minimum-infective-doseis smaller than one aerosol particle.
                                                            Masks block the vast majority of respiratory droplet size particles which happen when people speak, cough, or sneeze. Also the infection spread has slowed in places that made masks compulsory. It's not rocket science

                                                            Just wear the goddamn mask and stop trying to find excuses for your selfishness. I promise it's not that hard
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                                                            • blankoblanco
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 11-18-11
                                                              • 3493

                                                              #485
                                                              Originally posted by b1slickguy
                                                              Exactly. It's like putting up a chain link fence to keep mosquitoes out of your yard.
                                                              Or it's like wearing a hockey mask to keep the puck from hitting you in the face. See, I can make inaccurate analogies too
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                                                              • Buckandadime
                                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                • 04-21-15
                                                                • 8847

                                                                #486
                                                                Originally posted by blankoblanco
                                                                Masks block the vast majority of respiratory droplet size particles which happen when people speak, cough, or sneeze. Also the infection spread has slowed in places that made masks compulsory. It's not rocket science

                                                                Just wear the goddamn mask and stop trying to find excuses for your selfishness. I promise it's not that hard
                                                                Originally posted by blankoblanco
                                                                Or it's like wearing a hockey mask to keep the puck from hitting you in the face. See, I can make inaccurate analogies too
                                                                Right?
                                                                On that same line of thinking, if NFL players didn't wear a helmet, chances of permanent brain damage or death would probably only be 1/10 per game so why should they even put the bulky things on?
                                                                It hinders their performance and takes away their constitutional right to not wear one..
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                                                                • Eddy Munny
                                                                  Restricted User
                                                                  • 08-13-13
                                                                  • 15767

                                                                  #487
                                                                  Originally posted by Stallion
                                                                  I wear a mask 8-10 hours a day while working. They work.
                                                                  Maybe masks prevent cancer... Because you wear them 8-10 hours a day and don't have cancer.
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                                                                  • Ghenghis Kahn
                                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                                    • 01-02-12
                                                                    • 19734

                                                                    #488
                                                                    Originally posted by Buckandadime
                                                                    Right?
                                                                    On that same line of thinking, if NFL players didn't wear a helmet, chances of permanent brain damage or death would probably only be 1/10 per game so why should they even put the bulky things on?
                                                                    It hinders their performance and takes away their constitutional right to not wear one..
                                                                    There are always two sides to every story... Nothing is absolute.
                                                                    That's what pisses me off most about idiots. They haven't a clue but they think they know what's best for everyone else since they don't have any cognitive thinking skills. They eat up everything and anything the media tells them.
                                                                    Size of SARS-CoV-2 is 0.1 micron. Do you know how small that is? How many on here actually wear N95 masks? I'm willing to bet less than 10%. So please STFU and mind your own fukking business, you're not helping by wearing your stupid worthless masks.

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                                                                    • Wrongside
                                                                      SBR MVP
                                                                      • 09-26-15
                                                                      • 3579

                                                                      #489
                                                                      Originally posted by b1slickguy
                                                                      It sure isn't.
                                                                      The results of 7 different independent studies completed since 2009 are in the link below.



                                                                      Masks Don’t Work: A Review of Science Relevant to COVID-19 Social Policy
                                                                      "No RCT study with verified outcome shows a benefit for HCW or community members in households to wearing a mask or respirator. There is no such study. There are no exceptions.

                                                                      By making mask-wearing recommendations and policies for the general public, or by expressly condoning the practice, governments have both ignored the scientific evidence and done the opposite of following the precautionary principle.

                                                                      In an absence of knowledge, governments should not make policies that have a hypothetical potential to cause harm. The government has an onus barrier before it instigates a broad social-engineering intervention, or allows corporations to exploit fear-based sentiments.

                                                                      Furthermore, individuals should know that there is no known benefit arising from wearing a mask in a viral respiratory illness epidemic, and that scientific studies have shown that any benefit must be residually small, compared to other and determinative factors.

                                                                      Otherwise, what is the point of publicly funded science?

                                                                      The present paper about masks illustrates the degree to which governments, the mainstream media, and institutional propagandists can decide to operate in a science vacuum, or select only incomplete science that serves their interests. Such recklessness is also certainly the case with the current global lockdown of over 1 billion people, an unprecedented experiment in medical and political history."


                                                                      https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/...-social-policy
                                                                      Too much science, dude. Take it easy.
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                                                                      • blankoblanco
                                                                        SBR MVP
                                                                        • 11-18-11
                                                                        • 3493

                                                                        #490
                                                                        Originally posted by Eddy Munny
                                                                        Maybe masks prevent cancer... Because you wear them 8-10 hours a day and don't have cancer.
                                                                        Or maybe they work because a) basic science that a kindergartener would understand and b) there's a known correlation between a county mandating masks and COVID cases in that county slowing down

                                                                        Nice job at pushing it as a logical fallacy though. Honestly, valiant effort. Unfortunately you're a moron so you can't understand when that idea applies and when it doesn't
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