[TheRifleman]

The left wing support an expansion of government, no these people are mostly right wing libertarian.

really? Do you have any proof of this? This 9-11 ridiculous nonsense is mostly coming from the gullible, desperate, brainwashed (brainless) left...

[TheRifleman]

9-11 was an inside job carried out by the U.S. Government. I would bet my life on it. I have known this for many years.

You mean you have been brain-dead for many years. Tragic.

Hey, truther....answer me this: assuming that Satan aka George W. Bush, planned 9-11 just to that he could invade Iraq, for whatever reason..oil, I suppose........ and went through the trouble of somehow getting planes (or missiles as some moronic truthers claim) to fly into the World Trade Center, planting explosives in the buildings beforehand so they could be detonated after impact, fabricating the identities of the hijackers, covering up all government involvement after the fact, then I have just one question: Why wouldn’t the Bush administration just forge some Iraqi passports for the phony hijackers in order to make an airtight case for war against Iraq? I mean, if 9/11 was one big ingenious theatrical production by the government, why would Bush and company make the hijackers out to be from Saudi Arabia, a key U.S. ally? Instead, none of the nineteen hijackers were Iraqi, while fifteen of them were Saudi.

I don't expcet an answer...just go.back to smoking pot and eating your captain crunch to satisfy your munchies. Leave the heavy thinking to us, the intelligent people of the world.....ok, now, class dismissed.

[chilidog]

Alright, let's go with the theory that Bin Laden and al-Qaeda hijacked the planes and crashed them into the 2 towers. How did the 3rd tower implode?

[InTheDrink]

pronk is a scary guy

im glad i dont have to be in this guy's presence ever

he seems like the type that will shoot up a shopping mall because the voices in his head told him to

[Dr.Gonzo]

really? Do you have any proof of this? This 9-11 ridiculous nonsense is mostly coming from the gullible, desperate, brainwashed (brainless) left...

Whilst I think Alex Jones is a nut he is the leading advocate of the 911 inside job theory, who does he support? Ron Paul. Not only does he support him, he helped raise an enormous amount of funds for the campaign. He shrilled for Rand Paul, to help get him elected. Visit his site, it's filled with right wing Christians, as is the truth movement.

Who raised concerns about Waco and the world trade center bombings? Largely right wing groups.

Yes there are some leftists, but if you really were to come to the conclusion that government regularly carries out false flag attacks against it's own citizens you couldn't exactly campaign for it's powers to be increased could you?

The majority of truthers are Thomas Jefferson types, they believe in freedom and restricted government.

[Dr.Gonzo]

You mean you have been brain-dead for many years. Tragic.

Hey, truther....answer me this: assuming that Satan aka George W. Bush, planned 9-11 just to that he could invade Iraq, for whatever reason..oil, I suppose........ and went through the trouble of somehow getting planes (or missiles as some moronic truthers claim) to fly into the World Trade Center, planting explosives in the buildings beforehand so they could be detonated after impact, fabricating the identities of the hijackers, covering up all government involvement after the fact, then I have just one question: Why wouldn’t the Bush administration just forge some Iraqi passports for the phony hijackers in order to make an airtight case for war against Iraq? I mean, if 9/11 was one big ingenious theatrical production by the government, why would Bush and company make the hijackers out to be from Saudi Arabia, a key U.S. ally? Instead, none of the nineteen hijackers were Iraqi, while fifteen of them were Saudi.

I don't expcet an answer...just go.back to smoking pot and eating your captain crunch to satisfy your munchies. Leave the heavy thinking to us, the intelligent people of the world.....ok, now, class dismissed.

Watch the film I posted, all your questions will be answered.

[TheRifleman]

yeah, right...lmfao...sick bastard.

[pronk]

After reading this thread, Pronk, Mikail, both of you are fking morons. Ignorant as all hell. Listen I have been on the inside of our government , held a security clearance and for both of you to really believe that our government is capable of pulling off this 9/11 stunt is fking hilarious. Both of you are sad individuals. Ive met a couple of guys like you in my day and usually you are fat, lazy, ugly, never get pussy, mad about everything so you come up with crazy conspiracies. But we are the sheep for following along with what we see before our eyes and you are the enlightened individuals believing what you see on Youtube.

Don't make me laugh pal because i'm very tempted now to post some inside stuff that will blow your mind, but...

Just watch this and shut the hell up.








During his career as a senior State Department official, Dr. Pieczenik utilized his unique abilities and expertise to develop strategies and tactics that were instrumental in resolving major conflicts in Asia, the Middle East, Latin America, Europe and the United States.
Dr. Pieczenik was the principal International Crisis Manager and Hostage Negotiator under Secretaries Kissinger and Vance. During this time he developed conflict resolution techniques that were instrumental in saving over five hundred hostages in different terrorist episodes, including the Hanafi Moslem Seizure in Washington, DC, the TWA Croatian Hijacking, the Aldo Moro Kidnapping, the JRA Hijacking, the PLO Hijacking, and many other incidents involving terrorists such as Idi Amin, Muammar Quaddafi, Carlos, FARC, Abu Nidal and Saddam Hussein.
Dr. Pieczenik helped develop negotiation strategies for major U.S.- Soviet arms control summits under the Reagan administration. He was also involved in advising senior officials on important psycho-political dynamics and conflict mediation strategies for President Carter's successful Camp David Peace Conference. In 1991, Dr. Pieczenik was a chief architect of the Cambodian Peace Conference in Paris. He is currently an advisor to the Department of Defense.

[pronk]

[TheRifleman]

Don't make me laugh pal because i'm very tempted now to post some inside stuff that will blow your mind, but...

Just watch this and shut the hell up.








During his career as a senior State Department official, Dr. Pieczenik utilized his unique abilities and expertise to develop strategies and tactics that were instrumental in resolving major conflicts in Asia, the Middle East, Latin America, Europe and the United States.
Dr. Pieczenik was the principal International Crisis Manager and Hostage Negotiator under Secretaries Kissinger and Vance. During this time he developed conflict resolution techniques that were instrumental in saving over five hundred hostages in different terrorist episodes, including the Hanafi Moslem Seizure in Washington, DC, the TWA Croatian Hijacking, the Aldo Moro Kidnapping, the JRA Hijacking, the PLO Hijacking, and many other incidents involving terrorists such as Idi Amin, Muammar Quaddafi, Carlos, FARC, Abu Nidal and Saddam Hussein.
Dr. Pieczenik helped develop negotiation strategies for major U.S.- Soviet arms control summits under the Reagan administration. He was also involved in advising senior officials on important psycho-political dynamics and conflict mediation strategies for President Carter's successful Camp David Peace Conference. In 1991, Dr. Pieczenik was a chief architect of the Cambodian Peace Conference in Paris. He is currently an advisor to the Department of Defense.

The stupidest thing i've ever watched for 39 seconds.. is this comedy? This isn't serious, it is?? No fn way..

Duh, "i'm a truther..duh, i believe that the Us Gov. declared war on it's own citizens. duh, I am just sheep being led to the slaughter because I cant think for myself... duh..truthers.....lmfao

[pronk]

The stupidest thing i've ever watched for 39 seconds.. is this comedy? This isn't serious, it is?? No fn way..

Duh, "i'm a truther..duh, i believe that the Us Gov. declared war on it's own citizens. duh, I am just sheep being led to the slaughter because I cant think for myself... duh..truthers.....lmfao

First of all: find a shrink who can fix your ADD and only then we can discuss some issues that are bothering you.

39 seconds indeed...

[BlackJack]

*yawn*

Okay, even IF what you guys are posting is true .. so what? What's going to happen? Nothing. Quit living in the past, and become more apathetic. Life gets way more easier and relaxing once you join the ranks of the apathetic.

so you are suggesting that a crime of that nature (if true) should be ignored, not investigated and continue on in history?

[TheRifleman]

truthers...blah, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, blah, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,

I'm sure you don't actually discuss this stuff in public? Do you?? You're dumb, but not totally stupid, right?? You can only get away with being this stupid here....you wouldn't DARE make your idiotic views known in "real life".....would u??

blah, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, truthers..

[wikkidinsane]

Explosions! Boom!

[pronk]

truthers...blah, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, blah, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,

I'm sure you don't actually discuss this stuff in public? Do you?? You're dumb, but not totally stupid, right?? You can only get away with being this stupid here....you wouldn't DARE make your idiotic views known in "real life".....would u??

blah, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, truthers..

HA-HA-HELL!

<center>Protocol #4
DAZZLE - "deceive" - DEBASE</center>
"To prevent them from really thinking out anything for themselves, we shall deflect their attention
to amusements, games, pastimes, excitements and other people's palaces. Becoming less and less accustomed to independent thinking, people will express themselves in unison with us because we alone offer new lines of thought, presented by people we control but who appear unconnected to us."
<center>Protocol #4 (cont)</center><center>"We must undermine faith, eradicate from the minds of the Gentiles the very principles of God and Soul, and replace these conceptions by mathematical calculations and material desires."</center>

[importmoon]

Found this interesting article dated 20 May 2001 (less then 5 months later, 7 October 2001 war against Taliban began)

Source: New York Times (NY)

TALIBAN'S BAN ON GROWING OPIUM POPPIES IS CALLED A SUCCESS

UNITED NATIONS, May 18 — The first American narcotics experts to go to Afghanistan under Taliban rule have concluded that the movement's ban on opium-poppy cultivation appears to have wiped out the world's largest crop in less than a year, officials said today.

The American findings confirm earlier reports from the United Nations drug control program that Afghanistan, which supplied about three-quarters of the world's opium and most of the heroin reaching Europe, had ended poppy planting in one season.

But the eradication of poppies has come at a terrible cost to farming families, and experts say it will not be known until the fall planting season begins whether the Taliban can continue to enforce it.

"It appears that the ban has taken effect," said Steven Casteel, assistant administrator for intelligence at the Drug Enforcement Administration in Washington.

The findings came in part from a Pakistan-based agent of the administration who was one of the two Americans on the team just returned from eight days in the poppy-growing areas of Afghanistan.

Mr. Casteel said in an interview today that he was still studying aerial images to determine if any new poppy-growing areas had emerged. He also said that some questions about the size of hidden opium and heroin stockpiles near the northern border of Afghanistan remained to be answered. But the drug agency has so far found nothing to contradict United Nations reports.

The sudden turnaround by the Taliban, a move that left international drug experts stunned when reports of near-total eradication began to come in earlier this year, opens the way for American aid to the Afghan farmers who have stopped planting poppies.

On Thursday, Secretary of State Colin L. Powell announced a $43 million grant to Afghanistan in additional emergency aid to cope with the effects of a prolonged drought. The United States has become the biggest donor to help Afghanistan in the drought.

"We will continue to look for ways to provide more assistance to the Afghans," he said in a statement, "including those farmers who have felt the impact of the ban on poppy cultivation, a decision by the Taliban that we welcome."

The Afghans are desperate for international help, but describe their opposition to drug cultivation purely in religious terms.

At the State Department, James P. Callahan, director of Asian affairs at the Bureau for International Narcotics and Law Enforcement Affairs who was one of the experts sent to Afghanistan, described in an interview how the Taliban had applied and enforced the ban. He was told by farmers that "the Taliban used a system of consensus-building."

They framed the ban "in very religious terms," citing Islamic prohibitions against drugs, and that made it hard to defy, he added. Those who defied the edict were threatened with prison.

Mr. Callahan said that in the southern provinces of Kandahar and Helmand, where the Taliban's hold is strongest, farmers said they would rather starve than return to poppy cultivation — and some of them will, experts say.

In parts of Nangahar province in the east, where the Taliban's hold is less complete, farmers told the visiting experts that they would flee to Pakistan or risk illegal crops rather than watch their families die.

The end of opium poppy cultivation in Afghanistan has come at a huge cost to farmers, Mr. Callahan and Mr. Casteel said. The rural economy, especially in the usual opium-poppy areas, had come to rely on the narcotics trade. "The bad side of the ban is that it's bringing their country — or certain regions of their country — to economic ruin," Mr. Casteel said. "They are trying to replace the crop with wheat, but that is easier said than done."

"Wheat needs more water and earns no money until it is sold," Mr. Casteel said. "With the opium trade they used to get their money up front."

The Taliban, who used to collect taxes on the movement of opium, is also losing money, adding another layer of difficulty for a government that is already isolated and not recognized diplomatically by most nations.

Afghanistan is now under United Nations sanctions, imposed at the insistence of the United States because the Islamic movement will not turn over Osama bin Laden for trial in connection with attacks on two American Embassies in Africa in 1998.

American experts and United Nations officials say the Taliban are likely to face political problems if the effects of the opium ban are catastrophic and many people die.

Barbara Crossette

________________________________________ ________________________________________ _________

Well, I'll be darned!!!!!!!!! Now this crummy war against Taliban does makes sense

thanks for the info~~~

[importmoon]

Cognitive Dissonance Avoidance, Denial, & Rationalization is the very reason why people are easily controlled by government..........
If there is a lot of built up psychological stake in a certain position or attitude and a piece of solid evidence comes in which conflicts with that position, it may be easier, psychologically, to dismiss the new information than alter the existing structure.
You can imagine how ingrained psychological structures can be when a human being is raised within a certain country, system, or reality. Growing up in the US, or any culture, for that matter, you will absorb an overwhelming number of messages about what is true, what is possible, and what is important.
Many of of these messages are absorbed subconsciously and become part of the basic structure of our reality. It becomes very difficult to question the fundamentals when opposing messages only come in small doses from the “fringe.”


Consider these two examples:

• Believing that your friend is trustworthy (having built up that attitude over years of experience) is a cognition that would be dissonant with the sudden discovery of your friend stealing money from you. As a result, you might seek to dismiss or minimize the importance of this new information—maybe telling yourself it was a freak thing, a joke, or an accident, or that he was broke or desperate or on drugs. You might even try to forget that you saw it.
• In presenting new, contradictory (dissonant) evidence concerning 9/11, it is frustrating how many people immediately begin to bring up rationalizations and excuses in order to dismiss the significance of the information. You can often witness cognitive dissonance in action as these skeptics try to avoid the psychological turmoil of facing the very disturbing implications of 9/11 Truth. The collapse ofWTC 7 is an interesting example. Skeptics are likely to quickly dismiss this piece of evidence rather than acknowledge the suspicious fact that the destruction of a third skyscraper was essentially blacked-out of the official story of 9/11 by the government and media.

seriously I learn a lot from this thank you

[The Kraken]

The entire 9/11 conspiracy theory is built around eye witness accounts and opinions of lay persons and a few rogue "experts". Just listening to the video I hear three different eye witness accounts of the plane that hit the WTC tower1. "The plane was gray", "The plane was black", "It was a fighter jet" Sounds convincing

It's easy to start with a conclusion and work backwards to support it, picking and choosing what will support your theory. Working the scientific method backwards, quite a fallacy.

Just some information on how reliable eye witness accounts really are
http://www.apa.org/monitor/apr06/eyewitness.aspx
http://www.simplypsychology.org/eyew...testimony.html
http://www.npr.org/2011/08/29/140039...under-scrutiny
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...ity/51049540/1

Mistaken or flawed identification has assumed a newfound prominence in recent years: It's been cited as a factor in nearly 78 percent of the nation's first 130 convictions later overturned by DNA testing, according to the New York-based Innocence Project, which works to free the wrongly convicted

[TheRifleman]

The entire 9/11 conspiracy theory is built around eye witness accounts and opinions of lay persons and a few rogue "experts". Just listening to the video I hear three different eye witness accounts of the plane that hit the WTC tower1. "The plane was gray", "The plane was black", "It was a fighter jet" Sounds convincing

It's easy to start with a conclusion and work backwards to support it, picking and choosing what will support your theory. Working the scientific method backwards, quite a fallacy.

Just some information on how reliable eye witness accounts really are
http://www.apa.org/monitor/apr06/eyewitness.aspx
http://www.simplypsychology.org/eyew...testimony.html
http://www.npr.org/2011/08/29/140039...under-scrutiny
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...ity/51049540/1

They didn't see a damn thing. That's what they saw. NOTHING.

[TheRifleman]

They get their information from Alex Jones who is stealing money from these suckers with his bogus radio program and website. he's laughing all the way to the bank...he's a buffoon, a liar and a fraud, but most of these "truthers' are leftists who accept liar's, frauds and buffoons as evidenced by their choice and acceptance of the current leader of their political party who is all of those things. Fraud, liar and buffoon. Nothing more to say.

[pronk]

They get their information from Alex Jones who is stealing money from these suckers with his bogus radio program and website. he's laughing all the way to the bank...he's a buffoon, a liar and a fraud, but most of these "truthers' are leftists who accept liar's, frauds and buffoons as evidenced by their choice and acceptance of the current leader of their political party who is all of those things. Fraud, liar and buffoon. Nothing more to say.

[gregm]

[QUOTE=pronk;15809750]

Nov. 2, 2001, 12:00 PST -- On Oct. 31 the French daily Le Figaro dropped a bombshell. While in a Dubai hospital receiving treatment for a chronic kidney infection last July, Osama bin Laden met with a top CIA official -- presumably the chief of station. The meeting, held in bin Laden's private suite, took place at the American hospital in Dubai at a time when he was a wanted fugitive for the bombings of two U.S. embassies and last year's attack on the USS Cole. Bin Laden was eligible for execution according to a 2000 intelligence finding issued by President Bill Clinton before leaving office in January. Yet on July 14, 2001 he was allowed to leave Dubai on a private jet, and there were no Navy fighters waiting to force him down.


I didnt read have to read any further than this first part. This is absurd and false. See if you can find a record of that article anywhere in Le Figaro today.

[Dutch]

but most of these "truthers' are leftists...

You were on a roll for awhile, but now you're just making shit up.

Most of these "truthers" are anti-government types. Almost all of the left, even the pretty far left like Rolling Stone mag have always dismissed the talk of "It was an inside job by Bush and Cheney." The mainstream left has never given real weight to that theory. But don't let facts get in the way of a good rant.

Go back to your Budweiser and cheez wiz on crackers and leave the heavy thinking to the intelligent people.

[pronk]

[QUOTE=gregm;16032782]

Nov. 2, 2001, 12:00 PST -- On Oct. 31 the French daily Le Figaro dropped a bombshell. While in a Dubai hospital receiving treatment for a chronic kidney infection last July, Osama bin Laden met with a top CIA official -- presumably the chief of station. The meeting, held in bin Laden's private suite, took place at the American hospital in Dubai at a time when he was a wanted fugitive for the bombings of two U.S. embassies and last year's attack on the USS Cole. Bin Laden was eligible for execution according to a 2000 intelligence finding issued by President Bill Clinton before leaving office in January. Yet on July 14, 2001 he was allowed to leave Dubai on a private jet, and there were no Navy fighters waiting to force him down.


I didnt read have to read any further than this first part. This is absurd and false. See if you can find a record of that article anywhere in Le Figaro today.

Dubaï, l’un des sept émirats de la fédération des Emirats arabes unis, au nord-est d’Abu Dhabi. Cette ville de 350 000 habitants a été le théâtre discret d’une rencontre secrète entre Oussama ben Laden et le représentant de la CIA sur place, en juillet. Un homme, partenaire professionnel de la direction administrative de l’hôpital américain de Dubaï, affirme que l’ennemi public numéro un a séjourné dans cet établissement hospitalier du 4 au 14 juillet.
En provenance de l’aéroport de Quetta au Pakistan, Oussama ben Laden a été transféré dès son arrivée à Dubaï Airport. Accompagné de son médecin personnel et fidèle lieutenant, qui pourrait être l’Égyptien Ayman al-Zawahari – sur ce point les témoignages ne sont pas formels -, de quatre gardes du corps, ainsi que d’un infirmier algérien, Ben Laden a été admis à l’hôpital américain, un bâtiment de verre et de marbre situé entre Al-Garhoud Bridge et Al-Maktoum Bridge.
Chaque étage comporte deux suites «VIP» et une quinzaine de chambres. Le milliardaire saoudien a été admis dans le très réputé département d’urologie du docteur Terry Callaway, spécialiste des calculs rénaux et de l’infertilité masculine. Joint par téléphone à de multiples reprises, le docteur Callaway n’a pas souhaité répondre à nos questions.
En mars 2000 déjà, l’hebdomadaire Asia Week publié à Hongkong s’inquiétait de la santé de Ben Laden, faisant état d’un grave problème physique précisant que ses jours étaient en danger à cause d’une «infection rénale qui se propage au foie et nécessite des soins spécialisés». Selon des sources autorisées, Ben Laden se serait fait livrer dans son repaire afghan de Kandahar l’ensemble d’un matériel mobile de dialyse au cours du premier semestre 2000. Selon nos sources, le «déplacement pour raison de santé de Ben Laden» n’est pas le premier. Entre 1996 et 1998, Oussama ben Laden s’est rendu plusieurs fois à Dubaï pour ses affaires.
Le 27 septembre, quinze jours après les attentats du World Trade Center, sur demande américaine, la Banque centrale des Emirats arabes unis a annoncé avoir ordonné le gel des comptes et des investissements de 26 personnes ou organisations soupçonnées d’entretenir des contacts avec l’organisation de Ben Laden, notamment auprès de la Dubaï Islamic Bank.
«Les rapports entre l’Emirat et l’Arabie Saoudite ont toujours été très étroits, expliquent nos sources, les princes des familles régnantes qui avaient reconnu le régime des talibans se rendaient souvent en Afghanistan. Un des princes d’une famille régnante participait régulièrement à des chasses sur les terres de Ben Laden qu’il connaissait et fréquentait depuis de nombreuses années.» Une liaison aérienne entre Dubaï et Quetta est d’ailleurs quotidiennement assurée par les compagnies Pakistan Airlines et Emirates. Quant aux avions privés émiratis ou saoudiens, ils desservent fréquemment Quetta où ils ne sont la plupart du temps ni enregistré ni consigné dans les registres de l’aéroport.
Durant son hospitalisation, Oussama ben Laden a reçu la visite de plusieurs membres de sa famille, de personnalités saoudiennes et émiraties. Au cours de ce même séjour, le représentant local de la CIA, que beaucoup de gens connaissent à Dubaï, a été vu empruntant l’ascenseur principal de l’hôpital pour se rendre dans la chambre d’Oussama ben Laden.
Quelques jours plus tard, l’homme de la CIA se vante devant quelques amis d’avoir rendu visite au milliardaire saoudien. De sources autorisées, l’agent de la CIA a été rappelé par sa centrale le 15 juillet, au lendemain du départ de Ben Laden pour Quetta.
A la fin juillet, les douaniers émiratis arrêtent à l’aéroport de Dubaï un activiste islamiste franco-algérien, Djamel Beghal. Début août, les autorités françaises et américaines sont alertées. Interrogé par les autorités locales à Abu Dhabi, Beghal raconte qu’il a été convoqué en Afghanistan fin 2000 par Abou Zoubeida – un responsable militaire de l’organisation de Ben Laden, Al Quaida. La mission de Beghal: faire sauter l’ambassade des Etats-Unis, avenue Gabriel, près de la place de la Concorde, à son retour en France.
Selon différentes sources diplomatiques arabes et les services de renseignements français eux-mêmes, des informations très précises ont été communiquées à la CIA concernant des attaques terroristes visant les intérêts américains dans le monde, y compris sur le territoire de l’Union. Un rapport de la DST daté du 7 septembre rassemble la totalité de ces données, précisant que l’ordre d’agir devait venir d’Afghanistan.
En août, à l’ambassade des Etats-Unis à Paris, une réunion d’urgence est convoquée avec la DGSE et les plus hauts responsables des services américains. Extrêmement inquiets, ces derniers présentent à leurs homologues français des demandes de renseignements très précises concernant des activistes algériens, sans toutefois s’expliquer sur le sens général de leur démarche. A la question «que craignez-vous dans les jours qui viennent?», les Américains opposent un mutisme difficilement compréhensible.
Les contacts entre la CIA et Ben Laden remontent à 1979 lorsque, représentant de la société familiale à Istanbul, il commença à enrôler des volontaires du monde arabo-musulman pour la résistance afghane contre l’Armée rouge. Enquêtant sur les attentats d’août 1998 contre les ambassades américaines de Nairobi (Kenya) et de Dares-Salaam (Tanzanie), les enquêteurs du FBI ont découvert que les traces laissées par les charges proviennent d’un explosif militaire de l’armée américaine et que cet explosif a été livré trois ans auparavant à des Afghans arabes, les fameuses brigades internationales de volontaires, engagés au côté d’Oussama ben Laden durant la guerre d’Afghanistan contre l’armée soviétique.
Poursuivant ses investigations, le FBI découvre des «montages» que la CIA avait développés avec ses «amis islamistes» depuis des années. La rencontre de Dubaï ne serait donc que la suite logique d’une «certaine politique américaine».



Translation:


Kicker: "The head of the Al Qaida organization stayed in the U.A.E. at the beginning of the summer for health reasons"
Title: "The CIA met bin Laden in Dubai in July" by Alexandra Richard
"Dubai, one of the seven emirates of the United Arab Emirates federation, is northeast of Abu Dhabi. This city of 350,000 inhabitants was the discreet stage for a secret meeting between Osama bin Laden and the local CIA representative, in July. A man, a professional partner of the administrative management of the American hospital of Dubai, affirms that public enemy number one stayed in this hospital from July 4-14.
"Coming from the airport of Quetta in Pakistan, Osama bin Laden was transferred on arrival at Dubai airport. Accopanied by his personal doctor, and faithful lietenant, who could be the Egyptian Ayman al Zawahari, -- on this point the eyewitness accounts are not fully confirmed --, four bodyguards, as well as an Algerian nurse, bin Laden was admitted to the American hospital, a glass and marble building situated between the Al-Garhoud Bridge and the Al-Maktoum Bridge.
"Each floor has two VIP suites and about 15 rooms. The Saudi billionaire was admitted to the very famous urology department of Dr. Terry Calloway, specialist in kidney stones and male infertility. Reached by telephone, several times, Dr. Calloway did not want to answer our questions.
"Already in March 2000, the weekly Asia Week published in Hongkong, etc. .... a mobile dialysis machine delivered to his hideout in Kandahar, in the first half of 2000. According to our sources, 'bin Laden's move for health reasons' was not the first. Between 1996 and 1998, Osama bin Laden went to Dubai several times for business.
"On September 27, 15 days after the attacks against the World Trade Center, on US demand, the central Bank of the U.A.E. announced that it had ordered the freezing of accounts and investments of 26 persons or organizations suspected of having contacts with the organizaiton of bin Laden, especially the Dubai Islamic Bank.
"'Relations between the Emirates and Saudi Arabia have always been very close,' our sources explain, 'the princes of the royal (reigning) family which had recognized the Taliban regime, travelled to Afghanistan frequently. One prince of the reigning family participated regularly in hunts on the land of bin Laden, whom he had known and frequented for many years.' An air connection between Dubai and Quetta is guaranteed daily by Pakistan Airlines and the Emirates. As for private Saudi or Emirate planes, they service Quetta frequently, where they are most of the time neither registered nor listed in the registers of the airport.
"During his hospitalization, Osama bin Laden received visits of several family members, Saudi and Emirate personalities. In the course of the same stay, the local CIA representative, whom many people in Dubai know, was seen taking the main elevator of the hospital to go to Osama bin Laden's room.
"A few days later, the CIA man boasted to some friends that he had visited the Saudi billionaire. According to authorized sources, the CIA agent was called by his headquarters on July 15, the day after bin Laden's departure for Quetta.
"At the end of July, the U.A.E. customs authorities arrested Djamel Beghal.... Beghal's mission: to blow up the US Embassy, Avenue Gabriel, near the Place de la Concorde, on his return to France.
"According to different diplomatic Arab sources and the French intelligence services, very precise information was communicated to the CIA concerning terrorist attacks aiming at American interests in the world, including on the territory of the Union ***. A report of the DST dated Sept. 7, collected the totality of such detailed information, specifying that the order to act was to come from Afghanistan.
"In August, at the US Embassy in Paris, etc. ... incomprehensible silence.
"The contacts between the CIA and bin Laden date back to 1979, when representing the family firm in Istanbul, he began to recruit volunteers from the Arab-Islamic world, to the Afghan resistance against the Red Army. Investigating the August 1998 attacks against the US Embassies in Nairobi (Kenya) and Dar es Salaam (Tanzania), the FBI investigators discovered that the traces left by the explosions came from a military explosive *** of the US army, and that this explosive had been delivered three years earlier to Arab Afghansi, the famous international volunteer brigades, engaged with Osama bin Laden during the Afghan war against the Soviet army.
"Following their investigations, the FBI discovered 'structures' that the CIA had developed with its 'Islamist friends' for years. The meeting in Dubai, therefore, is nothing but the logical follow-up of a 'certain American policy'."
[source: Le Figaro, Oct 31, pg 2]

[pronk]

The Front-Page lead story in French Newspaper Le Figaro on Wednesday, October 31, 2001 is that Osama bin Laden was in an American Hospital in Dubai, in July, and had contacts with the CIA. The story, also featured on Radio France Internationale and other radio news, is as follows:<!-- Scoop Media Cartel DFP Tag --><center></center>



[Source: Le Figaro, 31.10.01]
Kicker: "Gravely ill, enemy number one stayed in an American hospital in the [United Arab] Emirates at the beginning of the summer."
Banner headline: "July 2001: Bin Laden meets the CIA in Dubai"
"Suffering from a kidney disorder, Osama Bin Laden stayed at the American hospital in Dubai, from July 4-14, where he reportedly met an official of the CIA, according to a witness, a professional partner of the administrative management of the hospital.
"Coming from the airport in Quetta, Pakistan, the man who since the Sept. 11 attacks has become public enemy number one, was immediately transferred on arrival at the Dubai airport. He was accompanied by his personal physician and loyal lieutenant, who could be the Egyptian Ayman al-Zawahari, four bodyguards, as well as an Algerian nurse.
"Already in March 2000, the weekly Asia Week, published in Hong Kong, was concerned about Bin Laden's health, talking about of a serious physical problem, specifiying that his days were in danger, due to a 'kidney infection which is spreading to the liver, and requires special treatment.' According to authorized sources, Bin Laden had a mobile dialysis machine delivered to his hideout in Kandahar in the first half of 2000.
"His trip to Dubai was not the first, according to our sources. Between 1996 and 1998, Osama bin Laden had gone there several times for business. During his hospitalization in July, he received the visit of the local representative of the CIA. This person was recalled to Washington on July 15, the day after bin Laden's departure for Quetta.
"Fifteen days later, UAE customs officials arrested a Franco-Algerian Islamist activist, at the Dubai airport, named Djamel Beghal. The French and American authorities were alerted. Interrogated at Abu Dhabi, Beghal said that he had been convoked to Afghanistan at the end of 2000, by Abu Zoubeida -- a military official of the bin Laden organization, Al Qaida. Beghal's mission: to blow up the American embassy in Paris.
"According to Arab diplomatic sources, and French intelligence services, very precise information was communicated to the CIA, regarding terrorist attacks against American interests in the world. A report of the DST [French intelligence] of Sept. 7, collected this information, specifying that the order to act would come from Afghanistan."In August, at the US Embassy in Paris, an emergency meeting was convened with the DGSE [French intelligence] and the most senior officials of the American intelligence services. Extremely disturbed, the latter presented their French counterparts with demands for very precise information concerning the Algerian activists, without however explaining the general sense of their demand. When asked, 'What do you fear in the coming days?', the Americans responded with an incomprehensible silence."

[leafs_ducks]

penetrate America

[leafs_ducks]

Hard. Anal style

[pronk]

Hard. Anal style

You can say that again leafs but this is not our fault (United States of America), all credits go to the United States of Tel f-ng Aviv.

[Balco10]

OK Jeese Ventura.

[terpkeg]

Years ago a buddy of mine believed that every NFL game was fixed, not some every single one. I said Murf how is this done. He had a complete explanation. He said at half time they are told how the second half should go and what team is going to win the game. I would just look at him and think, how the fck can a person with a decent IQ believe such a crazy fckin thing. Well he did and he was adamant about it.

Now some of you guys actually believe that hundreds of American citizens working for the government can be involved in such a conspiracy that first would fake a moon landing and second kill thousands of American citizens. Do you ever stop and think about the logistics? How the fck does this and can this happen and not be discovered. Hmmm? Did you ever think that these people are Americans and that they cannot control the people being killed. Meaning it might be family or friends, how do you explain this. Mind control, drugs. WTF happens to you people that reasonably intelligent people can believe such crazy stuff. This isn't hollywood people. I know R are evil but I doubt very much they would kill Americans, maybe some would, but not hundreds.

Also the entire NASA population was involved in a fake landing. Are you out of your fckin mind? Is this brain damage, every month or so one or two of you nuts bring this up. WTF, is going on in your brain?

You don't need to have hundreds of peoplelying because people can justify anything in their own mind. I didn't readeverything above, and I can't say I believe 9-11 was an "inside job,"but what you are describing above is not necessary. A selective group of peoplecan make selfish, ruthless decisions to attain power, they can be justified intheir own mind or not, and feed off of the irrational emotions of other people.Convince them of threats that are not real because life is full of events thatare out of your control and it is human nature to try and eliminate theuncertainties.

A lot of conspiracy theory is out of context but the underlying truth is thatthere is absolutely no reason to trust our government. You cannot trust peoplewho rise the political ranks because they will do anything to further theirposition. A healthy distrust of government was the cornerstone of our society. Now, people can say, and will say,"the times of changed".. ... "things are different" etc.But people have been saying that and will be saying that for millennia’s. It is no different than it ever was.

Whoever wishes to foresee the future must consult the past; for human events resemble those of preceding times. This arises from the fact that they are produced by who have been, and ever shall be, animated by the same passions, and thus they necessarily have the same result.– Machiavelli

“The safety of the people against dangers from foreign force, depends not only on their forebearing to give just causes of war to other nations, but also ontheir placing and continuing themselves in such a situation as not to invitehostility or insult; for it need not be observed, that there are pretended aswell as just causes for war. John Jay –No. 4

[smitch124]

The US Government was in on 9/11 by not reacting to the OPEC embargo in the 1970s by immediately doing their best to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels and making our presence in the middle east no longer necessary. By continuing to foster our need for oil for monetary gain they were the de facto pilots of those planes on 9/11.

[spike420211]

As a follow-up to 2001,
a packet of heroin can now be had in Northern Noo Joisey
4 less than a pack of smokes.
Thx Amurrica.

[raydog]

smitchaayy....hit us up in tinychat pal...

conspiracy...jaysus konck...i would hate to wake up everyday and deal with the nonsense that runs through your wacked out mind...goodluck on your witch hunt ... hey, if you see god flying around, let us know about that guy too..thanks

[pronk]

smitchaayy....hit us up in tinychat pal...

conspiracy...jaysus konck...i would hate to wake up everyday and deal with the nonsense that runs through your wacked out mind...goodluck on your witch hunt ... hey, if you see god flying around, let us know about that guy too..thanks

"Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!” Samuel Adams

[doublek1229]

The creator of this thread should be banned for being so stupid.