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Do you not understand that I accept the legislative aspect of this issue? I don't think the Federal government should step in this issue. I am just disappointed that there is a majority of voters in any part of the United States in 2012 that would support the banning of same sex marriage.Originally Posted by Sam Odom
surely you dont think a country as big and diverse as the USA would have homogeneity on an hot button issue ? I'm sure those voters in NC are disappointed in you
Sorry but not what you mean. I think gay marriage is a state rights issue. I support the right to bear arms because I am guaranteed this right in the U.S. Constitution. Possessing alcohol is a state and local issue as it should be. Some localities allow the selling of alcohol while others don't. I'm fine with that. I don't want the federal government trying to legislate that for us. It's bad enough they tie highway funds to setting the drinking age to 21. I think the state should be able to decide their own drinking age. Gambling is also a state rights issue (except maybe internet gambling). Some states allow gambling while some don't. I'm fine with that. I don't want the federal government legislating it for us.
They can be as disappointed as they want, but atleast my deductive reasoning is consistent.
The whole debate is absurd; it could be easily solved if the government simply stopped referring to it as 'marriage'. A 'union' could exist legally (between two people of any gender) for the purposes of taxes, default heir, etc. People could still marry at their churches, synagogues, whatever, as they do now. If a particular religion doesn't believe in same sex marriage, that's fine; they are under no obligation to perform or acknowledge same sex marriages. Likewise, if a religion wanted to perform same sex marriages, they would be free to do so.
Vitooch , I'm sure you believe that
Why do people always say it is taking away someone's rights? It isn't.... I have the right to marry a woman. Just like a homosexual has the right to marry a woman. Nobody's rights are being taken away.
I think a very large percentage of the voters that were in support of this bill did so not because of the legislative aspect of it, but more so due the fact that they find it innately evil.
Now if you were to argue that everyone should have the right to marry whoever they want, then fine, let the sick pedos marry a 12 year old girl. Hell, they do it in other cultures. But there are laws that prohibit that. I guess those laws are infringing on rights too? When states pass these laws prohibiting homosexual marriage, it is the same thing. No ones rights are being violated. Everyone still has the right to marry a member of the opposite sex, as God and/or nature intended. Now please mention how homosexuality is present in animals in nature which obviously means that as humans we should sometimes cook and eat our babies since that is present in nature too.
Terrible, terrible, comparison. There are age of consent laws in this country that are absolutely justifiable and rational. We are dealing with the issue of two, consenting adults, not a man with a chemical imbalance that preys on innocent childen.
see post #47
many times state bodies have offered the compromise you suggest... 99% of the time it is slapped away by Organized National Gay Lobbies - They have a separate agenda
Are you really comparing same sex marriage to cannibalism? I can explain to you the fundamental differences between the two, but I don't think I can ever get through to a person with your interesting way of thinking.
I think limiting marriage to a male and a female is valid. You don't. You didn't really make any argument to persuade or attempt to persuade that main disagreement.
Most people who oppose gay marriage really don't care one way or the other if gays are allowed to marry. Its what will come afterwards as a result of legalizing gay marriage that they are trying to prevent.
While liberal idiots don't possess the intelligence to think a step or 2 ahead, conservatives do and we know that if gay marriage were ever to become legal across all 50 states, the "movement" wouldn't just end there. It would become a requirement that homosexuality be introduced and even encouraged in all sex education classrooms in our high schools.
When those that oppose gay marriage say "how do I explain 2 men french kissing each other to my young children", those that support gay marriage respond "why should I give a shit about what you tell your children" to which I respond "why should I ever support allowing you freaks to marry"?
If the gay/lesbian movement could somehow GUARANTEE to cease to exist if gay marriage was legalized across all 50 states, I would support gay marriage as it would be a good trade-off. However, like the Civil Rights Movement brought affirmative action, legalizing gay marriage will bring all sorts of unexpected negative consequences so I will always OPPOSE it.Mayan, you have more HATE in you than 100 neocons combined.Neo cons only care about themselves..
Hypocrisy at its finest...
I was shooting down a common retort to the nature comment. Homosexuals are eager to point out that chimpanzees and other animals sometimes have homosexual sex, essentially arguing that their actions are normal since it takes place in nature. If you didn't follow that, I'd appreciate you not attempting to argue since I don't think we'd get anywhere.
I think marriage should be a loving union between two consenting adults. I do not see the fundamental difference between a marriage between a man and man, and a man and woman.
this is sorta what i'm talking about but not marriage specific
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012...ng-pansy-bible
Andywend
Your views are a little extreme but I do think there are negative side effects to all this nonsense. Hell, every main stream show feels pressured to throw a homosexual in its cast to avoid people bitching about being none. With 10 people on a show, there shouldn't be a gay statistically, yet there always is.
A valid argument may exist in this post, but your condescending tone prevents me from reading. Come back with a mature, well-thought out argument instead of an arrogant rant and maybe I will give you the respect of responding to your comment.
chargebacking and stiffing pts are immoral yet you do them all the time.
typical neo-con.... "do as i say, not as i do."
Your boy obummer is against gay marriage yet your retarded vice president joe biden came out for it.
Can we all expect another flip flop from obummer to gain the gay vote?
It's really funny how I could actually care less about gays getting married, I guess you could say I support the idea of it, just because I doesn't bother me at all.....But on the other hand, I find it sickening how the mainstream feels forced to show homosexuals or minorities or whatever else......Why can't they just tell the complainers to fukk off and make their own shows with homosexuals in it without having to deal with any repercussions?? THAT is the problem with our country
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I filled out a dozen plus law school applications a few months back and they all asked if I was homosexual.
I personally wish every homosexual would go home, look in the mirror, and try to think of 25 other adjectives to describe themselves besides being homosexual. I have nothing against homosexuals, I just wish they didn't feel the need to openly talk about their sexuality 16 hours a day and I wish they could define themselves other ways. I'm sure it is relieving for them to out themselves, but honestly, no one gives a shit. Stop talking about it. As for marriage, no, they shouldn't get that. No adoption either. No sense in throwing children into that environment. Is not healthy on any level.
I retorted with a reasonable counter argument myself. Homosexual activity in nature proves that that type of behavior is natural, not artificial as some opposers of gay marriage make it seem ("Being gay is a choice"). Yes, cannibalism is also natural, but there is a very fundamental difference between the two, so you cannot make that comparison.
You're misinformed......Not every gay person is out in the open like this. Like everything else, the annoying ones give the rest a bad name
I absolutely hate how tv and shows and networks are so concerned with diversity. And no, I don't mean and old wooden ship from the civil war era. The best people for the parts should get the jobs. My bigger concern with homosexuals is their flamboyance. Seriously! No one cares that you are gay. We all know someone who is gay and thinks the world revolves around his homosexuality. It is a nightmare.
Many are not Libs and even more are fiscal conservatives - a % albeit a small %, IMO, are not for gay marriage laws
I used to have a guy added on Facebook who came out in college. All of his status updates were about his homosexuality after that.
Imagine if heterosexuals behaved that way.
"oh man. I just saw a hot girl. She was so hot. I just love pussy. So much. I'm so straight and proud of it!!!"
Or how every other commercial has a black, a white, an asian, and a gay dude all eating together at some restaurant laughing it up
Very annoying.
Or how every other commercial has a black, a white, an asian, and a gay dude all eating together at some restaurant laughing it up
Very annoying.
and....you never see a black burglar on Home Alarm commercials
Look up any school website and you will see Asians, blacks, whites that are equally dispersed. It is always exact too, like if there is 9 people, itll be 3,3,3. Looks so natural, lol.Or how every other commercial has a black, a white, an asian, and a gay dude all eating together at some restaurant laughing it up
Very annoying.
LOL.....I almost used the college brochures or websites as an example instead of the commercials....
All I ask is for this country to get real for one fukkin time and understand that its OK........Most races stick with eachother, its a fukkin fact man, don't try to insult our intelligence........
I'm cool with diversity and everything and one of the most open minded person but damn man, just sick of the "forced" and "fake" race and diversity bullshit.......The mainstream should fukkin wake up and realize they are going about it the wrong fukkin way and just pissing off the closed minded people even more
We will never truly get over the diversity hump in this country until we are FUKKIN REAL with eachother regarding it.....FACT
How come Obama is trash now, lol. A few years back that dude was introduced as the world savior.
American politics and especially media always amaze me.
What the many reasonable and informed voters saw in Obama was a very charismatic, well-spoken, intelligent man who could be a breath of fresh air for the presidency after 8 lackluster years of what many considered an unqualified George Bush. I think many of those who voted for him will admit that these last 3 or so years havent exactly gone as well as expected, but I wouldn't call the presidency a disaster by any means, certainly not as severe as the biased conservatives would like to make it seem.How come Obama is trash now, lol. A few years back that dude was introduced as the world savior.
American politics and especially media always amaze me.
Did those who voted for him expect him not to deliver on some of the now seemingly lofty promises he made? One thing I do know is that he didnt drag us into a war we didnt need to partake in.
Exactly. A marriage should involve c*ntscent between 2 people. One providing the c*ntscent of course
It's a thoroughly meaningless setback, nothing more than posturing for geriatric Republicans to rally around in between attending the funerals of their friends and family. As we've already seen with the Ninth Circuit's ruling that a ban on same-sex marriage is unconstitutional, these efforts to thwart gay marriage at the state level are doomed to failure under a Federal interpretation. That's one area where the Tenth Amendment can't save you, when a state attempts to pass a law that violates our Federal Constitution.
Rest assured a gay couple will challenge this amendment in the courts, and after a few rounds of appeals it'll be headed for the same fate as Proposition 8 in California. Do you guys that trumpet the "one man, one woman" belief even possess the ability to recognize that you're taking up the same mantle that was worn by the proponents of anti-miscegenation laws in the 60's? 50 years hence, we now look at those people as misguided fools, the last gasp of a generation that was unable to overcome their bigotry on such a trivial matter as the color of a person's skin. Now we get to see it all over again, but this time the topic isn't the skin color of a person's intended spouse, but rather their gender.
On June 12, 1967, the Supreme Court decided in the case Loving v. Virgina that our Federal Constitution establishes freedom for a person to marry another regardless of their race. That day, 16 states (including North Carolina) who had laws on the books requiring that people marry within their own race were forced to accept that they had no right to enforce those laws. That case has already been cited as precedent for striking down the attempt by California voters to ban gay marriage, and I have no doubt it will do the same in the North Carolina and all other states who attempt to enforce such bans.
The straight, white male has a target on his back now. After centuries of oppression and intolerance, it is now you who are the hunted, and it is your enemies that have become the hunter. Women, Hispanics, African-Americans, Asians, LGBT folk of all sort, we are now the protected classes and you can only pray that we show more tolerance during our watch than you did during yours.
Obama isn't an ideal leader, but just the fact that he got elected in spite of the vehemence with which the Conservative base swore they wouldn't see a socialist African-American take up residence in the Oval Office proves how marginalized you've become. Enjoy primary season, because it's the only time your voice will be heard this year and in the election cycles to follow.
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