Offensive is highly subjective opti. I don't get offended easily and don't consider an OP like this offensive, just someone making dumb assumptions. Personally, I prefer it when ignorant people are allowed to self-identify; presents the opportunity to either change their mind or if that's not possible, ignore them. This being SBR's territory to do whatever they feel like, they're welcome to do what they want with it of course....but most of the discussion in this forum seems to revolve around controversial statements.
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triple d sounding like a penetrating moron!
maybe this idiot doesn't know that blacks are still discriminated in the workplace. do this: send out 100 resumes as john jameson, then send out 100 as jamal jackson. equal education and experience. as ignorant as you appear to be - you'd be shocked at the results.
quit being so penetrating dumb.
do i need to link you the studies? or are you smart enough to use google?Comment -
If anything I'd say affirmative action is a slight admittance at saying "Yes black people I know my people are racist, I know even if you're beyond qualified there's a good chance your white lesser qualified peer will be hired instead of you". "So therefore I'll put affirmative action in place, I'll make sure they will let you in because left to their own devices the playing field will be unjustly unequal".No halfway intelligent person is denying that white people enslaved black people in the US...it's history, it happened and there's no great difficulty in admitting it. The disagreement over affirmative action and other racist policies isn't about denying history. Both the oppressors and the oppressed were our ancestors. You're not responsible for the actions of people you've never met simply because you share DNA.
Your examples of black people struggling today are simply looking at the problem incorrectly; poor black people have less opportunity mostly because they're poor. Is there some loss of "opportunity" because some other people are racist? Yup...but drop in the bucket compared to growing up poor. Once again, trying to combat problems caused by poverty by applying racially-biased aid just fosters the racism you imagine to be the problem.
Affirmative action is actually just racism (treating people differently based solely on the color of their skin), but calling it reverse racism helps distinguish it from the kind everyone is automatically opposed to, and hopefully gets people critically thinking about why it would be wise to try to combat racism by being racist
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First amendment protects speech, whether or not you consider it hateful. An interesting statement from a guy who struggles to go a few sentences without calling someone a "stupid penetrate" and/or disparaging racial/ethnic/religious groups
You're correct that while you have the right to free speech, it doesn't supersede the property rights of SBR to do whatever the hell they want with their forum.Comment -
it protects speech from government censorship - you penetrating idiot.Comment -
"Some other people are racist (to an extent which isn't knowable, but I'll just make some assumptions), therefore I'm going to be racist against those other groups and hope everything equals out". Not really how it works...treating people differently based on race doesn't "level the playing field"; it just creates an environment in which people have increased justification to resent other races.Comment -
"affirmative action is stupid"
"of course blacks are discriminated against in the workplace"
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So it does, regardless of how hateful anyone thinks that speech is. See, you learned something today...keep that up and perhaps someday you won't need to call people idiots when they correct you
No doubt...when people run short on ability to think critically, violence is usually the impulse. Since you can't do that, how about getting past the fact you don't like what I said and try explaining why you think differently?
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oh... ya... you're quite the penetrating "intellectual".Comment -
I thought I was being pretty clear on what I'm arguing, but go ahead and enlighten me on what measures were taken and how you think they prove that racially-biased hiring practices are a good idea.
Only compared to some it appears. I guess I'll take that as a "No", you're not interested in backing up your opinions and would rather angrily spout them off unchallenged?
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they aren't "my opinions" they're facts.
like i'm really trying to waste time my "debating my position" with some idiot who acknowledges that blacks face racism at the workplace and doesn't want to do anything about it because "it will make the whites like me hate them even more".Comment -
Answer these two questions. 1. Do you believe whites are intellectly superior to blacks? 2. Do you feel blacks were/are discriminated against in the workplace?I thought I was being pretty clear on what I'm arguing, but go ahead and enlighten me on what measures were taken and how you think they prove that racially-biased hiring practices are a good idea.
Only compared to some it appears. I guess I'll take that as a "No", you're not interested in backing up your opinions and would rather angrily spout them off unchallenged?Comment -
Your opinions would be factual if you proved them...so far, all you've done is run away from me asking you to do so, preferring halfhearted insults and restating the non-relevant.
1) Don't believe there's any racial difference in intelligence.
2) Were and are...same as people discriminate against gamblers, rednecks, or pretty much any group.
Question for you: do you believe the discrimination against blacks is a bad thing? If so, why?Comment -
Well at least the thread has taken a more positive turn
@itchypickle DwightShrute was right that I was probably over reacting to you a little.
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this is why i refuse to take you seriously and mostly stick to insulting your stupid ass.Question for you: do you believe the discrimination against blacks is a bad thing? If so, why?Comment -
So jtoler asks me several questions and that's fine with you; I ask him a few back and for some reason you're unable to take me seriuosly? Don't kid yourself; you just don't like anyone challenging you to back up your opinions. Maybe you're lazy, maybe you know you dont have any facts to back them up, maybe you just want to be angry and not have to justify it...who knows? All we can say for certain is that you have no business calling anyone dumb
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I honestly don't think there is anything subjective or debatable about how this thread was offensive.
Trying to debate it adds to the offense imho. It's clear. And I don't just mean for a black person but for anyone with a sense of humanity.
Anyway, as you already know I just don't get the US obsession with freedom of speech. If you talk like an asshole you should be treated like one. And to just stand by watching a small obsessed group find a new news story they can make an inflammatory race based generalization with every single day of the year is wrong too.
Thankfully someone usually does object in most threads but the same obsessed crew just overwhelm that as no one else without a personality disorder cares near as much as them about the issue.
I have to ignore it usually as it actually pisses me off enough to ruin my day but I keep seeing this stupid thread popping up day after day and some of truly fukked up things some people have posted and today I had to say something.
I bet these guys don't even really think the crap they say about any black/asian/jewish/mexican/muslim person they actually know in real life..Comment -
No worries. And I don't claim to be the patron saint of morality or anything...I'll admit that.
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Shrug, if it offends you it's offensive. Not sure that I agree that anyone with a sense of humanity should find it offensive...it's idiocy, to be corrected or pitied if the person is incapable of learning better.
US freedom of speech doesn't say anything about treating assholes like assholes, just that it's not illegal...anyone claiming more is just self-identifying.
The world has plenty of people who are willfully ignorant in one way or another...hard to imagine getting upset by what a stranger thinks.Comment -
Exactly. And lets be honest...everyone of every race and societal clique is discriminated against in the workforce so can't see why the rules should only apply to one group. It's called life....minimum wage jobs that just put a body with a task aside....any company with the three tiered evaluation process for candidates (resume submissions, initial interview and final interview/job offer) has its discriminatory leanings. People are hired to fit a work atmosphere and business process...not to be a broader societal experiment. Knowing people helps, previous work experience and productivity comes into play, appearance plays a major role as well but not as far as race but overall standards.
So yes, absolutely a black male or female encounters some form of discrimination but the same goes for whites or Asians etc. Also on the female side, HR won't just can a resume of a woman just because she's a woman but if she is up against a woman with no kids and no husband and she is divorced and raising 2 kids on her own or no kids buy just about to be married they will consider who will be more apt to be distracted, take off early, or ask for more vacation days etc in making that hire.Comment -
I haven't read the executive order in its entirety, but here is what I support. That everyone be treated equally, equal opportunity employment, simple as that. We agree that we don't believe neither blacks nor whites are superior to one another intellectually and that discrimination against blacks exists qualified blacks are discriminated against based on color.
Therefore something needed to be done, I'm not for quotas, but history has shown unequal hiring practices based on color so what do you do? If man did the right thing there would be no need for quotas and affirmative action.Comment
