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RAS is a fraud because you cant get their lines
I paid good money for their service and can't get there lines any way possible. There, I said it. Bash me if you wish, but no way. Handicap a game that has the wrong team favored or a total that is way off. But to keep a record involving a line that changes within 20 seconds is BS. Nobody else in the business does that.
I am not bashing at all. I subscribed last year and pretty much got the lines. This year, I was EXTREMELY lucky, and got a local who didn't move lines(which I know is not the norm).
What site do you use?
It doesn't matter so much anymore, but Dr. Bob used to move lines in NCAAF pretty significantly, he kept a release record, and a post line move record. With RAS, you can figure it out, but you have to go to the site, and do the math yourself which is a pita.
But what can he do though? He releases the plays at the given lines, the lines move. Not much he can do about it. It doesn't matter what game he plays, the lines will move. That is out of his control. Again though, I do get your frustration.
I use an online site designed for professionals (although I do have a day job). My frustration is more that there are plenty of games that do not come close to the posted line/total, yet these guys find an "edge" in a game that comes down to a couple points? And more than that, I am having to pay big $$$ for a service that gets to claim a line I cannot get AS A CUSTOMER. So yes, I am frustrated
You're going to have to accept betting totals at 2 points worse and sides at .5 points worse. That is the best your going to do unless you can find a slow moving book that won't cut you off.
His 3 year win % based on lines released is 57.2% So, if you can't get those lines your win % will be less than 56% in the long run. Plus, his had a great run already this season and could be treading water the rest of the day.
3 year win % at 57.2% = losing with juice. Not worth it
I pay and don't get his lines. This is a BS marketing scam and I'm done. 1-7 today I don't care what lines he released I still went 1-7 with his shit plays.
I agree G. There are enough good ones out there. I follow IC, and he doesn't always win, but I have no problem getting his lines. He loses, I lose. He wins, I win. I also follow Turner. They play on the overnight lines, so I always get theirs. They lose, I lose. They win, I win. That's all I want
Originally Posted by GChild
That's tough GChild. I don't know why they move lines like they do and how they do it because 57% is not all that great.
I would just stick with IC, he hits 60% and the lines don't move like that.
If you figure his record against the closing line, which is closer to what most will get, he is about 25 units lower than his posted record. Unless you are a subscriber that has multiple outlets and are hanging there waiting for his multiple releases, you will not win with RAS.
Agree!!
I agree too!!
You also got to include the cost of the service...not cheap!
If you all think 57 is losing you aren't gonna make it lo in this....57 is 10 percent return on your investment...if for some reason you think you lose money on 57 or you gamble in a way that you don't win on 57 then I really feel bad for you....but you obviously don't get it....52.4 is break even with juice, 57 is making huge bank....
Wow...simply wow....I feel like this thread is a spoof...did I miss the sarcasm somewhere?
Hey G, how's that fadin IC RAS thing going for ya?
Exactly. They need to go back to the drawing board. Taking games that cover/dont cover by half a points on a regular basis don't cut it
Really Sunzal shill? Cost of service + unavailability of lines TO SUBSCRIBERS + juice on 200 games @ 57% = not profitable any way you look at it
agreed ... and buying points suckss dicck and just creates more juice
I followed every play today unfortunately & I went 1-7-1 w the lines at the time I put in my plays so it doesn't get much worse than that while he went 4-5 with his lines that are impossible to get. That's a kick in the balls in any scenario
Love how he is so slow to update his site on losers and when he wins they are graded 30 secs after the game is over
And Edward is no where to be found...
Uhhhh...I guess your math makes sense if you play 40 dollar units....in which case Edward tells you not to buy the service....why would a 40 dollar per unit bettor pay that for a subscription....but even a 50 per bettor will make money at 57 and service cost....
Just calling someone a shill doesn't make you right....the wonderful thing about math is there are always answers and people like you will always be proven wrong?...
Pretty funny too that you make fun of Edward for not responding the same night when no other capper out there even bothers coming on Sbr and responding to fools like you
You're missing the major point of all the posts. The lines given are UNAVAILABLE TO SUBSCRIBERS. But nice try SunzalRas
Yeah I'm still f**king pissed FML
Quick question Edward, do u bet your games. I'm sure the answer is yes but want to verify. Anyways, if u do, u could help your subscribers by first giving out your pucks to them, then after awhile place your bets. The books know who u are and automatically move lines a couple points within seconds. Then again, they probably subscribe too to get what your picking, lol.
I agree, it's has to be frustrating for your paying customers to not get your lines. They might as well don't subscribe and wait like us since they aren't getting the same line.
I'm no expert but KS has a point, it seems a bit disingenuous to release plays based on lines that subscribers can't get (and base your win-loss records on those unavailable lines). It's not like he is mooching the picks for free and complaining, the dude subscribes to the service.
Sunzal, I take it you're a subscriber that gets the lines released every day and hits 57.2% over 3 years? Good for you because no one on here who has subscribed have been able to get the released lines with any consistantcy at all. So, it is impossible for them to hit 57% in the long run.
That's all trouters buddy.
That's not true. Not true at all actually. Check with the other RAS subscribers on this site. And if you are looking for more than a 57% win percentage, good luck with that.
Can we admitt this is a dumb argument. He hits 57% what else do you want the guy to do. He can't stop the lines from moving and he can't help you get the line he gets. He isn't forcing you to buy his plays, and he has the price where it is for a reason. If there was no one buying the service he would lower the price. I just don't get how you can be pissed at a guy that wins on the lines he has when given out.the lines move for a reason. If he didn't win do you think they would move the lines
And just for the record ks...I would like to quote someone you cannot argue with...and that would be you
"Without any exceptions, I follow RAS, IC, and Turner. I have seen my bankroll progressively get higher. I ignore unit plays and play the same amount on each play. To me, these are the best 3 in the biz by a long shot"
a poor 4 day run and you jump ship?
Can we admitt this is a dumb argument. He hits 57% what else do you want the guy to do. He can't stop the lines from moving and he can't help you get the line he gets. He isn't forcing you to buy his plays, and he has the price where it is for a reason. If there was no one buying the service he would lower the price. I just don't get how you can be pissed at a guy that wins on the lines he has when given out.
Did you guys do any research at all before paying for his service? Or simply do a search on here?
Edward's not a fraud. The lines move very quickly after he releases plays - that's actually a huge compliment to him. Wannabe pro handicappers like to claim the same thing about their ability to affect lines yet it doesn't happen. Sportsbooks subscribe to his service ffs. What does that say?
But you need to have a pretty pro setup to get the lines he does ie people working with you so you can allocate who's going to watch for releases during which time of day; sportsbook accounts basically everywhere and again, people working with you so you can use their accounts too, etc... This isn't some amateur service where a guy's hoping he can make a few bucks off of followers. You need to be a diehard - with many people helping you - to use RAS properly.
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That's a bunch of trouble to go through for 57% win rate....expensive too!
No offense, but you just aren't too bright. What books do you use? Or should I say, what book do you use?
You have to be nimble. I know many guys who subscribe (I can't afford it). They always get within a half of point on the line. Either you are slow, or you need more books.
RAS is not a scammer. He is probably the best CBB capper there is. That is why you have to be fast.
Go cry to someone else.
If he texts you 2-10 minutes before every play is released wouldn't it be pretty easy to put in your bet before the line changes?
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