Americans are finally questioning the US version of 9/11 attacks

**CountNo_Account** · 09-12-13, 05:53 PM

Look at these idiots...case closed.

**ChalkyDog** · 09-12-13, 05:56 PM

To learn who controls (rules) you, find out who you cannot criticize. - Voltaire

**PAULYPOKER** · 09-12-13, 06:01 PM

Sam Diamond is one of them there one track mind folk.......

This makes him TRULY ignorant as one could possibly be........

All yin and absolutely no yang.....

A true by product of conformism or "the American way"

Only the weakest minds can be conformed.......

Sad really.......

**PAULYPOKER** · 09-12-13, 06:09 PM

Originally posted by ChalkyDog

To learn who controls (rules) you, find out who you cannot criticize. - Voltaire

So true........

But not me, there is not a soul,religion,law,government on Earth that I will not question.......

If it doesn't make sense,you question it until it does and if it never comes to the surface of true, it is definitely not real......

**Kermit** · 09-12-13, 06:20 PM

All I know is GTA 5 is releasing this coming Tuesday.

$285 Million dollars to make.

**pavyracer** · 09-12-13, 07:20 PM

**ChalkyDog** · 09-12-13, 08:35 PM

Originally posted by Kermit

All I know is GTA 5 is releasing this coming Tuesday.

$285 Million dollars to make.

THIS x 100.

Already called out.

Game is epic. Love the fact that you can't even access the multiplayer until 10 days after release, making people play the campaign.

This fukkin' game cost more than avatar to create. Only movie in the history of the world that cost more to make was Pirates of the Caribbean 3. It will absolutely push the limits of the PS3.

Epic epic crime simulator.

To keep this post on the topic of the thread, I intend to kamikazee a jet into a building or three.

**smittyallsports** · 09-12-13, 11:12 PM

americans absolutely believe everything. its unreal. 2,000 engineers have put their names on a petition and some guy is talking about what if every thing turns out to be true anyway? lmaooooo. and what about the guy who talked about how gravity pulled some of the jet fuel down and as a result the burning debris led to the collapse of wtc7? lollllll you cant make this stuff up. some people have been robbed of their ability to think critically. i cant even categorize this as critical thinking. its penetrating black and white. the lengths that people go to try and believe this shit. it is absolutely mind boggling. i have found that people are truly blinded. i believe in God and what God's word the Bible says. in it, it says the devil has blinded many people. i think that is entirely true. it would explain why some cant see what is directly in front of their face. i have also found that many folk have been literally programmed to become skeptical and even hostile at this information. they get mad when you talk bad about their leaders. trying to inform these people is like

. you cant wake people up. you will only waste your energy and effort. you will face a barrage of insults and haggle. people will check your background to find anything to contradict or discredit you. its not even worth it. save your energy for people who have an inkling that something is inherently wrong with this system.

**Kermit** · 09-12-13, 11:32 PM

You believe in an invisible man and his invisible nemesis and you are criticizing people for believing in things that they not only saw with their own eyes, but also listened to people's descriptions who were actually at those sites when the devastation was actually happening?

**Wojo** · 09-12-13, 11:45 PM

Originally posted by eidolon

what about building 7?
and no one seeing the plane fly into the pentagon?
or that the fourth plane was probably shot down?

They have film of the plane crashing into the Pentagon, you monkey.

There is no evidence WHATSOEVER of Flight 93 being shot down. Give it up.

**Kermit** · 09-13-13, 12:03 AM

Originally posted by Wojo

They have film of the plane crashing into the Pentagon, you monkey.

There is no evidence WHATSOEVER of Flight 93 being shot down. Give it up.

Actually the day the plane went down many local witnesses from the area said that they did see fighter jets in the air and there were fireballs coming from flight 93 when it was in the air prior to crashing. Donald Rumsfeld had even said that it was shot down on live television.

So I think it is very possible that it could have been shot down, which is something that I honestly can't argue with. You can't let a 4th plane reach it's intended target.

**smittyallsports** · 09-13-13, 01:07 AM

Originally posted by Kermit

You believe in an invisible man and his invisible nemesis and you are criticizing people for believing in things that they not only saw with their own eyes, but also listened to people's descriptions who were actually at those sites when the devastation was actually happening?

well living on earth and looking around, i am certain there is a God. a Great One. however the governments' version of the story just does not add up and it is not close. but hey bro, color me with the 2000 engineers that believe this version of events is simply impossible. i wonder if any of them believe in an 'invisible man and his nemesis'. did anybody at the site see the jet fuel dripping down the walls?

**smittyallsports** · 09-13-13, 01:11 AM

Originally posted by Wojo

They have film of the plane crashing into the Pentagon, you monkey.

There is no evidence WHATSOEVER of Flight 93 being shot down. Give it up.

$500 to anybody who produces video footage of an airplane hitting the pentagon. there is no footage. the one building with more closed circuit cameras than any building in the world (literally) and no footage. where is the footage wojo? slap the floor...

**Albert Pujols** · 09-13-13, 01:20 AM

Originally posted by Wojo

They have film of the plane crashing into the Pentagon, you monkey.

There is no evidence WHATSOEVER of Flight 93 being shot down. Give it up.

You're too dumb to realize that you're dumb. People like you are really dangerous. Quit life now.

**Kermit** · 09-13-13, 01:22 AM

Originally posted by smittyallsports

$500 to anybody who produces video footage of an airplane hitting the pentagon. there is no footage. the one building with more closed circuit cameras than any building in the world (literally) and no footage. where is the footage wojo? slap the floor...

My first Cousin just retired after 20 years in the Marines and we got to talking at the Pirates game last week about the events of 9/11 and even he said that people do not realize how much different the damage would have been if a missile that size hit the Pentagon.

**darrell74** · 09-13-13, 02:30 AM

The government has lied to its people in the past.

Its not the craziest thing in the world to question the government, especially, when it already has a track record of misinformation.

**ArchieBunker** · 09-13-13, 05:07 AM

Al Quaeda are now allies in Syria what is wrong with this picture

**SamDiamond** · 09-13-13, 11:26 AM

Originally posted by PAULYPOKER

Sam Diamond is one of them there one track mind folk.......

This makes him TRULY ignorant as one could possibly be........

All yin and absolutely no yang.....

A true by product of conformism or "the American way"

Only the weakest minds can be conformed.......

Sad really.......

Irony. Ten fuking tons of irony.

Pauly demonstrates nothing but a one track mind-- everything is a conspiracy.

Anyone who disagrees with him is "weak-minded".

How fuking funny is that?

**PAULYPOKER** · 09-13-13, 07:54 PM

Ron Paul:
Sept. 11 blowback for decades of US interventionism

Former US congressman and presidential candidate Ron Paul has called the September 11, 2001 attacks the result of “decades of US intervention in the Middle East”.

“We’re supposed to believe that the perpetrators of 9/11 hated us for our freedom and goodness,” Paul wrote on Facebook on Wednesday.

“In fact, that crime was blowback for decades of US intervention in the Middle East. And the last thing we needed was the government’s response: more wars, a stepped-up police and surveillance state, and drones,” he wrote on the 12th anniversary of the attacks.

Twenty one hours after the post went up, it had 35,000 “likes” on Paul’s Facebook page which has 1.1 million fans.

Last week, Paul also said it would be “historic” if Congress would vote against Obama’s request for military action in Syria.

The remarks made by the former US politician come as distrust of the US government is growing twelve years after the attacks.

A new poll conducted by "YouGov" showed that one out of every two Americans has “doubts about the official report of the 9/11 events."

According to the poll, 10 percent do not believe the official story at all, while 12 percent are unsure what to believe.

Nearly 3,000 people died when hijacked jets crashed into the World Trade Center in 2001.

AN/ISH

Screenshot of Ron Paul's FB post

**PAULYPOKER** · 09-13-13, 08:08 PM

Kerry, Kissinger and the other Sept. 11

Henry Kissinger and John Kerry in this file photo.

As President Barack Obama’s attack on Syria appears to have been delayed for the moment, it is remarkable that Secretary of State John Kerry was meeting, on Sept. 11, with one of his predecessors, Henry Kissinger, reportedly to discuss strategy on forthcoming negotiations on Syria with Russian officials. The Kerry-Kissinger meeting, and the public outcry against the proposed attack on Syria to which both men are publicly committed, should be viewed through the lens of another Sept. 11 ... 1973.

On that day, 40 years ago, the democratically elected president of Chile, Salvador Allende, was violently overthrown in a U.S.-backed coup. Gen. Augusto Pinochet took control and began a 17-year dictatorial reign of terror, during which more than 3,000 Chileans were murdered and disappeared-about the same number killed on that later, fateful 9/11, 2001. Allende, a socialist, was immensely popular with his people. But his policies were anathema to the elites of Chile and the U.S., so President Richard Nixon and his secretary of state and national-security adviser, Henry Kissinger, supported efforts to overthrow him.

Kissinger’s role in plotting and supporting the 1973 coup in Chile becomes clearer as the years pass and the documents emerge, documents that Kissinger has personally fought hard to keep secret. Peter Kornbluh of the nonprofit National Security Archive has been uncovering the evidence for years, and has recently updated his book, “The Pinochet File: A Declassified Dossier on Atrocity and Accountability.” Kornbluh told me that Kissinger was “the singular most important figure in engineering a policy to overthrow Allende and then, even more, to embrace Pinochet and the human-rights violations that followed.” He said that Kissinger “pushed Nixon forward to as aggressive but covert a policy as possible to make Allende fail, to destabilize Allende’s ability to govern, to create what Kissinger called a coup climate.”

The Pinochet regime was violent, repressive and a close ally of the United States. Pinochet formed alliances with other military regimes in South America, and they created “Operation Condor,” a campaign of coordinated terror and assassinations throughout Argentina, Chile, Paraguay, Uruguay, Bolivia and Brazil. Operation Condor even reached onto the streets of Washington, D.C., when, on Sep. 21, 1976, a former Chilean ambassador to the U.S. during the Allende government, Orlando Letelier, along with his assistant, a U.S. citizen named Ronni Moffitt, were killed by a car bomb planted by Pinochet’s secret police on Embassy Row, just blocks from the White House.

Eventually, under increasing global condemnation and growing internal, nonviolent resistance, the Pinochet regime was forced to hold a plebiscite, a national vote, on whether Pinochet would continue as Chile’s dictator. With a resounding “No!” the public rejected him, ushering in the modern, democratic era in Chile.

At least two U.S. citizens were murdered during the 1973 coup. Charles Horman and Frank Teruggi were in Chile to observe the democratic experience there, working as writers and journalists. Their abduction and murder by Pinochet’s forces, with the likely collaboration by the U.S. government, is depicted movingly in the 1982 Oscar-winning film “Missing,” directed by Costa Gavras, starring Jack Lemmon and Sissy Spacek. On the week of the coup’s 40th anniversary, Charles Horman’s widow, Joyce Horman, held a commemoration. The event, hosted in New York City by the Charles Horman Truth Foundation, attracted hundreds, many who were personally involved with the Allende government or who were forced into exile from Chile during those terrible years.

Among those in attendance was Juan Garces, a Spanish citizen who was President Allende’s closest adviser. Garces was with Allende in the presidential palace on Sept. 11, 1973. Just before the palace was bombed by the air force, Allende led Garces to the door of the palace and told him to go out and tell the world what had happened that day.

Allende died during the coup. Garces narrowly escaped Chile with his life. He led the global legal pursuit of Pinochet, finally securing his arrest in Britain in 1998, where Pinochet was held for 504 days. While Pinochet was eventually allowed to return to Chile, he was later indicted there and, facing trial and prison, died under house arrest in 2006, at the age of 91.

Today, Garces sees alarming similarities between the repression in Chile and U.S. policies today: “You have extraordinary renditions. You have extrajudicial killings. You have secret centers of detentions. I am very concerned that those methods ... were applied in Chile with the knowledge and the backing of the Nixon-Kissinger administration in this period. The same methods are being applied now in many countries with the backing of the United States. That is very dangerous for everyone.”

Rather than meeting with Kissinger for advice, John Kerry would better serve the cause of peace by consulting with those like Garces who have spent their lives pursuing peace. The only reason Henry Kissinger should be pursued is to be held accountable, like Pinochet, in a court of law.

AN/ISH

**pronk** · 09-13-13, 11:56 PM

I actually met that old fart at some stupid luncheon in DC 7 years ago. He was sitting next to me with that silly grin on his face.

**indio** · 09-14-13, 12:14 AM

Originally posted by PAULYPOKER

Kerry, Kissinger and the other Sept. 11

Henry Kissinger and John Kerry in this file photo.

As President Barack Obama’s attack on Syria appears to have been delayed for the moment, it is remarkable that Secretary of State John Kerry was meeting, on Sept. 11, with one of his predecessors, Henry Kissinger, reportedly to discuss strategy on forthcoming negotiations on Syria with Russian officials. The Kerry-Kissinger meeting, and the public outcry against the proposed attack on Syria to which both men are publicly committed, should be viewed through the lens of another Sept. 11 ... 1973.

On that day, 40 years ago, the democratically elected president of Chile, Salvador Allende, was violently overthrown in a U.S.-backed coup. Gen. Augusto Pinochet took control and began a 17-year dictatorial reign of terror, during which more than 3,000 Chileans were murdered and disappeared-about the same number killed on that later, fateful 9/11, 2001. Allende, a socialist, was immensely popular with his people. But his policies were anathema to the elites of Chile and the U.S., so President Richard Nixon and his secretary of state and national-security adviser, Henry Kissinger, supported efforts to overthrow him.

Kissinger’s role in plotting and supporting the 1973 coup in Chile becomes clearer as the years pass and the documents emerge, documents that Kissinger has personally fought hard to keep secret. Peter Kornbluh of the nonprofit National Security Archive has been uncovering the evidence for years, and has recently updated his book, “The Pinochet File: A Declassified Dossier on Atrocity and Accountability.” Kornbluh told me that Kissinger was “the singular most important figure in engineering a policy to overthrow Allende and then, even more, to embrace Pinochet and the human-rights violations that followed.” He said that Kissinger “pushed Nixon forward to as aggressive but covert a policy as possible to make Allende fail, to destabilize Allende’s ability to govern, to create what Kissinger called a coup climate.”

The Pinochet regime was violent, repressive and a close ally of the United States. Pinochet formed alliances with other military regimes in South America, and they created “Operation Condor,” a campaign of coordinated terror and assassinations throughout Argentina, Chile, Paraguay, Uruguay, Bolivia and Brazil. Operation Condor even reached onto the streets of Washington, D.C., when, on Sep. 21, 1976, a former Chilean ambassador to the U.S. during the Allende government, Orlando Letelier, along with his assistant, a U.S. citizen named Ronni Moffitt, were killed by a car bomb planted by Pinochet’s secret police on Embassy Row, just blocks from the White House.

Eventually, under increasing global condemnation and growing internal, nonviolent resistance, the Pinochet regime was forced to hold a plebiscite, a national vote, on whether Pinochet would continue as Chile’s dictator. With a resounding “No!” the public rejected him, ushering in the modern, democratic era in Chile.

At least two U.S. citizens were murdered during the 1973 coup. Charles Horman and Frank Teruggi were in Chile to observe the democratic experience there, working as writers and journalists. Their abduction and murder by Pinochet’s forces, with the likely collaboration by the U.S. government, is depicted movingly in the 1982 Oscar-winning film “Missing,” directed by Costa Gavras, starring Jack Lemmon and Sissy Spacek. On the week of the coup’s 40th anniversary, Charles Horman’s widow, Joyce Horman, held a commemoration. The event, hosted in New York City by the Charles Horman Truth Foundation, attracted hundreds, many who were personally involved with the Allende government or who were forced into exile from Chile during those terrible years.

Among those in attendance was Juan Garces, a Spanish citizen who was President Allende’s closest adviser. Garces was with Allende in the presidential palace on Sept. 11, 1973. Just before the palace was bombed by the air force, Allende led Garces to the door of the palace and told him to go out and tell the world what had happened that day.

Allende died during the coup. Garces narrowly escaped Chile with his life. He led the global legal pursuit of Pinochet, finally securing his arrest in Britain in 1998, where Pinochet was held for 504 days. While Pinochet was eventually allowed to return to Chile, he was later indicted there and, facing trial and prison, died under house arrest in 2006, at the age of 91.

Today, Garces sees alarming similarities between the repression in Chile and U.S. policies today: “You have extraordinary renditions. You have extrajudicial killings. You have secret centers of detentions. I am very concerned that those methods ... were applied in Chile with the knowledge and the backing of the Nixon-Kissinger administration in this period. The same methods are being applied now in many countries with the backing of the United States. That is very dangerous for everyone.”

Rather than meeting with Kissinger for advice, John Kerry would better serve the cause of peace by consulting with those like Garces who have spent their lives pursuing peace. The only reason Henry Kissinger should be pursued is to be held accountable, like Pinochet, in a court of law.

AN/ISH

I am no fan of Kissinger, in fact, he's a detestable human being, but you're definitely one-sided on this. Allende was not as popular as you make him out to be, and he blatantly ignored the Chilean Constitution. The Socialists made life miserable for many of Chile's small business owners and shopkeepers and many hard working, innocent workers were killed by bombs planted by communists. In Argentina, the communists bombed and killed many innocent working people and policemen, and Videla had to fight fire with fire, which tore the country apart, but did succeed in keeping many Argentine citizens safe from the communist terrorists, who were bombing everything. Many in Chile view Pinochet as a hero, and he is still adored by many Chileans, just as many Chileans hate him also. Last time I was in Chile, there were still a lot of people who loved Pinochet and viewed him as a hero.

My question is, why is someone like Kissinger, who along with other globalist stooges like Brzezinski, that haven't had any official diplomatic position in over 40 years even being consulted? I guess that's rhetorical, but the way they don't even try to hide it is arrogant and a slap in the face.

**The Inevitable** · 09-14-13, 08:42 AM

So the official story is, jet fuel burned and made the beams in the towers weak? Which caused the building to collapse one story at a time? How many beams are we talking about here? ...4?

**darrell74** · 09-14-13, 09:57 AM

One thing that continues is that people are still divided and angry about 9/11

**PAULYPOKER** · 09-16-13, 01:05 AM

Ex-CIA agent:
9/11 lies bigger than already known

Ex-CIA agent: 9/11 lies ‘big and tragic’

Many people including observers inside the United States have on frequent occasions called the September 11 attacks in New York an inside job.

Numerous theorists have spoken out over the past 12 years talking about the controlled demolition of the World Trade Center, Israeli complicity in the events, and many other issues.

Critics questioning the US version of the 9/11 attacks have indicated, among other things, to bombs and explosives planted at the World Trade Center that demolished the buildings, jubilant Israeli intelligence agents photographing the attacks, made-up phone calls from the planes, and a warning by the Mossad (the Israeli spy agency) one day before the attacks to Israeli Tower workers and occupants to stay away from the buildings.

A former CIA agent has also emerged with new revelations on the attacks, blaming the attack on the US intelligence apparatus.

Susan Lindauer talks about the CIA’s detailed knowledge of the time, target, and means of the 9/11 attacks over the months prior to the events.

“The lies are so much bigger than what you know and it’s so much deeper and it’s so much more tragic once you have the truth,” says Lindauer.

Her evidence shows how the World Trade Center buildings were brought down by controlled demolition. Lindauer explains how thermite bomb, “an extraordinary heat-reducing bomb” which “takes steel” and “creates molten steel,” with potential sulphur in it was planted at the buildings.

ISH/ISH

**smitch124** · 09-17-13, 09:31 PM

Originally posted by PhillyFlyers

Americans are the dumbest people on the planet.

By far.

So far, they have been sold (and bought) the official versions of.....

JFK
RFK
911
TWA Flight 800

They will believe anything you tell them.

I still don't believe that Ricky and Lucy and Bert and Ernie slept in separate beds.

**pronk** · 09-18-13, 01:46 PM

9/11 Names, Connections, Motives

**pronk** · 09-20-13, 11:15 AM

**PAULYPOKER** · 09-24-13, 04:22 PM

Silverstein Makes a Huge
Profit off of the 9/11 Attacks

Six months before the 9/11 attacks the World Trade Center was "privatized" by being leased to a private sector developer. The lease was purchased by the Silverstein Group for $3.2 billion. "This is a dream come true," Larry Silverstein said. "We will be in control of a prized asset, and we will seek to develop its potential, raising it to new heights."
But the World Trade Towers were not the real estate plum we are led to believe.

From an economic standpoint, the trade center -- subsidized since its inception -- has never functioned, nor was it intended to function, unprotected in the rough-and-tumble real estate marketplace. [BusinessWeek]

How could Silverstein Group have been ignorant of this?
Also, the towers required some $200 million in renovations and improvements, most of which related to removal and replacement of building materials declared to be health hazards in the years since the towers were built.

It was well-known by the city of New York that the WTC was an asbestos bombshell. For years, the Port Authority treated the building like an aging dinosaur, attempting on several occasions to get permits to demolish the building for liability reasons, but being turned down due the known asbestos problem. Further, it was well-known the only reason the building was still standing until 9/11 was because it was too costly to disassemble the twin towers floor by floor since the Port Authority was prohibited legally from demolishing the buildings. [Arctic Beacon]

Other New York developers had been driven into bankruptcy by the costly mandated renovations, and $200 million represented an entire year's worth of revenues from the World Trade Towers.
The perfect collapse of the twin towers changed the picture.

Under a pending agreement, a developer and his investors will get back most of the down payment that they made to lease the World Trade Center just six weeks before a terrorist attack destroyed the twin towers. Developer Larry Silverstein and investors Lloyd Goldman and Joseph Cayre are nearing a deal that would give them about $98 million of their original investment of $124 million, The New York Times reported Saturday. [MontereyHerald 11/22/2003]

Instead of renovation, Silverstein is rebuilding, funded by the insurance coverage on the property which 'fortuitously' covered acts of terrorism. Even better, Silverstein filed TWO insurance claims for the maximum amount of the policy, based on the two, in Silverstein's view, separate attacks. The total potential payout is $7.1 billion, more than enough to build a fabulous new complex and leave a hefty profit for the Silverstein Group, including Larry Silverstein himself.
As reported in The Washington Post, the insurance company, Swiss Re, has gone to court to argue that the 9/11 disaster was only one attack, not two and that therefore the insurance payout should be limited to $3.55 billion, still enough to rebuild the complex.

Update: WTC Leaseholder May Collect Up To $4.6B

A federal jury on Monday ruled that the assault on the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center was in fact two occurrences for insurance purposes. The finding in U.S. District Court in Manhattan means leaseholder Larry Silverstein may collect up to $4.6 billion, according to reports. [Forbes.com 12/06/04]

The result of court ruling: Silverstein makes a huge profit off of the 9/11 attacks.