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    “The really dangerous American fascist... is the man who wants to do in the United States in an American way what Hitler did in Germany in a Prussian way. The American fascist would prefer not to use violence. His method is to poison the channels of public information. With a fascist the problem is never how best to present the truth to the public but how best to use the news to deceive the public into giving the fascist and his group more money or more power... They claim to be super-patriots, but they would destroy every liberty guaranteed by the Constitution. They demand free enterprise, but are the spokesmen for monopoly and vested interest. Their final objective, toward which all their deceit is directed, is to capture political power so that, using the power of the state and the power of the market simultaneously, they may keep the common man in eternal subjection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by khicks26 View Post

    Because you think the workers are entitled to the owners profits???

    That's Marxism.

    The difference is in Karl Marx's time workers could not move from town to town and worked for the same company or family their entire life. Today a worker can continue to move up by increasing his education and taking the highest offer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyBacon View Post
    Because you think the workers are entitled to the owners profits???

    That's Marxism.

    The difference is in Karl Marx's time workers could not move from town to town and worked for the same company or family their entire life. Today a worker can continue to move up by increasing his education and taking the highest offer.
    Absolutely not! His !profit is figured after all bills are paid including my wages!

    I have worked for companies that had profit sharing programs , they make for good incentives!
    Did Not feel like ole Karl had any influence there

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackpot269 View Post
    Absolutely not! His !profit is figured after all bills are paid including my wages!

    I have worked for companies that had profit sharing programs , they make for good incentives!
    Did Not feel like ole Karl had any influence there
    My buddy hicks tries to take 1850's Marxism and apply it to today.

    Which would be ok if the employees agreed to stay for life like they did in Karl's day. But instead hicky ignores those 1850 conditions that favored the owners. I would gladly share the profits with employees that were great and committed for life.

    All for one and one for all as Karl was famous for saying.

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    Is he who Russia model their system from after the Revolution? Reason I ask the state owned and ran the businesses and that sounds a little different

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackpot269 View Post
    Is he who Russia model their system from after the Revolution? Reason I ask the state owned and ran the businesses and that sounds a little different
    Yea if you followed along that's what hicky proposes for any owner non compliant; have the state seize the business.

    Marxism, like capitalism, branched out into communism and different forms of socialism.

    Karl laid it out in a book called Capitol. Many of his ideas were excellent for his day. Employers were obliged to provide education and health care for their workers children. Sounds strange today but these children were the future workers of the company. So in context it made sense.

    What happens is a hicky comes along and says HEY, these greedy companies should provide education and health care for workers children like Karl said. But he ignores the fact these children are not the future employees of the company like they were in the 1850's. Basically, he cherry picks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyBacon View Post
    My buddy hicks tries to take 1850's Marxism and apply it to today.

    Which would be ok if the employees agreed to stay for life like they did in Karl's day. But instead hicky ignores those 1850 conditions that favored the owners. I would gladly share the profits with employees that were great and committed for life.

    All for one and one for all as Karl was famous for saying.
    You are the one wanting the 1850's 12hr days, 7days a week, children working, no vacation, wages as low as possible.

    See Roy is a share holder, who does nothing to generate those profits, he lives off the backs of workers. So of course Roy wants everything to himself.

    American workers haven't had a raise since the 1970's, so yes Record Profits are unpaid wages. Your greed has nothing to do with Marx.


    Roy thinks Marx is a catch all for everything he doesn't like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by khicks26 View Post
    You are the one wanting the 1850's 12hr days, 7days a week, children working, no vacation, wages as low as possible.

    See Roy is a share holder, who does nothing to generate those profits, he lives off the backs of workers. So of course Roy wants everything to himself.

    American workers haven't had a raise since the 1970's, so yes Record Profits are unpaid wages. Your greed has nothing to do with Marx.


    Roy thinks Marx is a catch all for everything he doesn't like.
    I worked (still am) in corporate IT my whole professional career.
    I've earned a comfortable salary the last ten years, averaging about 120k.
    Not CEO money by any stretch, but comfortable.

    Having said that, unless you're on a CEO, or CIO, or a power attorney or surgeon, the only way you're getting rich is working for yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    I worked (still am) in corporate IT my whole professional career.
    I've earned a comfortable salary the last ten years, averaging about 120k.
    Not CEO money by any stretch, but comfortable.

    Having said that, unless you're on a CEO, or CIO, or a power attorney or surgeon, the only way you're getting rich is working for yourself.
    Glad you make a good living. Just realize that is not the rule in America, its the acceptation.


    When I say American workers haven't had a raise since the 1970's, I mean a raise in their standard of living. Not a raise that doesn't or maintains the cost of living.

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    Quote Originally Posted by khicks26 View Post
    Glad you make a good living. Just realize that is not the rule in America, its the acceptation.


    When I say American workers haven't had a raise since the 1970's, I mean a raise in their standard of living. Not a raise that doesn't or maintains the cost of living.
    When I first started out after college I was making a whopping 12k.
    I remember my weekly checks were $288.
    I made shit my first ten years, then got certified from Chubb.
    The last ten years I've been crunching actuarial numbers for a life insurance company in New Haven.
    You can't set those life insurance rates without us math nerds.

    There's still a need for actuarial, and SQL/database specialists.
    Pay's good, but it's not as exciting as say playing centerfield for the Yankees.
    Works for me though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    When I first started out after college I was making a whopping 12k.
    I remember my weekly checks were $288.
    I made shit my first ten years, then got certified from Chubb.
    The last ten years I've been crunching actuarial numbers for a life insurance company in New Haven.
    You can't set those life insurance rates without us math nerds.

    There's still a need for actuarial, and SQL/database specialists.
    Pay's good, but it's not as exciting as say playing centerfield for the Yankees.
    Works for me though.
    Good for you SteveNash! Congrads on working yourself up. Who knows where your hard work will take you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by khicks26 View Post
    You are the one wanting the 1850's 12hr days, 7days a week, children working, no vacation, wages as low as possible.

    See Roy is a share holder, who does nothing to generate those profits, he lives off the backs of workers. So of course Roy wants everything to himself.

    American workers haven't had a raise since the 1970's, so yes Record Profits are unpaid wages. Your greed has nothing to do with Marx.


    Roy thinks Marx is a catch all for everything he doesn't like.
    No one is for working 7 days a week, child labor, etc ya bozo. lol

    How a company "generates profits" is of no concern to you. You are not an owner. The bank doesn't sue you if the company loans are not paid. You get paid even if us owners lose everything.

    Your wage is negotiated when you accept the job. Then you are paid that for your service.

    How you are getting confused I have no idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyBacon View Post
    No one is for working 7 days a week, child labor, etc ya bozo. lol

    How a company "generates profits" is of no concern to you. You are not an owner. The bank doesn't sue you if the company loans are not paid. You get paid even if us owners lose everything.

    Your wage is negotiated when you accept the job. Then you are paid that for your service.

    How you are getting confused I have no idea.
    That's what you want.


    No workers, No profits. No Roy sitting on the couch living off them.


    Americans haven't had a raise for 50 years. Record Profits are stolen wages.

    You seem to the confused one. Even if you are being stupid on purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    When I first started out after college I was making a whopping 12k.
    I remember my weekly checks were $288.
    I made shit my first ten years, then got certified from Chubb.
    The last ten years I've been crunching actuarial numbers for a life insurance company in New Haven.
    You can't set those life insurance rates without us math nerds.

    There's still a need for actuarial, and SQL/database specialists.
    Pay's good, but it's not as exciting as say playing centerfield for the Yankees.
    Works for me though.
    Whatever their paying you. You deserve more. Just saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by khicks26 View Post
    That's what you want.


    No workers, No profits. No Roy sitting on the couch living off them.


    Americans haven't had a raise for 50 years. Record Profits are stolen wages.

    You seem to the confused one. Even if you are being stupid on purpose.
    Record wages are being paid too Einstein.

    You apply for the job. I don't kidnap you. We agree on $20 hr. If I have a record year, great. If I lose money you still get the negotiated $20 an hour.

    If you don't like the deal that YOU agreed on, you quit.

    That's how it works.

    You want to risk everything? Then you hire the hicky and work 24/7 and assume all the stress of ownership. But you ain't going to make Roy risk everything, sacrifice everything and show up at the owners meeting with your well rested hand out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyBacon View Post
    Record wages are being paid too Einstein.

    You apply for the job. I don't kidnap you. We agree on $20 hr. If I have a record year, great. If I lose money you still get the negotiated $20 an hour.

    If you don't like the deal that YOU agreed on, you quit.

    That's how it works.

    You want to risk everything? Then you hire the hicky and work 24/7 and assume all the stress of ownership. But you ain't going to make Roy risk everything, sacrifice everything and show up at the owners meeting with your well rested hand out.
    Inflation is 8% wages are up 5% Einstein. See you are to stupid.

    People are kind of forced into crappy jobs. Thats how the system works.


    Your always well rested, you live off the backs of workers. LOL


    Americans haven't had a raise for 50 years. Record Profits are stolen wages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by khicks26 View Post
    Inflation is 8% wages are up 5% Einstein. See you are to stupid.

    People are kind of forced into crappy jobs. Thats how the system works.


    Your always well rested, you live off the backs of workers. LOL


    Americans haven't had a raise for 50 years. Record Profits are stolen wages.
    Inflation is actually 9%, and when you factor in shortages it would mean true equilibrium price is even higher.

    People are forced into crappy jobs because of crappy schooling, but you defend it. Every time I bring up putting high school students without aptitude for college into vocations rather than PE, English Lit, art, etc, you say that we can't do that because it will turn our students into drones.

    Prove that record profits are stolen wages.

    VICI properties owns the Palazzo and Venetian in Las Vegas. Their profit margins are 63.4%, earning over 262 million over the past 12 months. Would you say that they need to pay their employees more money? Their profits are stolen from their employees?

    Across the street, Wynn resorts is a dumpster fire right now, its profit margins are -16.5%. Is Wynn's problem that employees are being paid to much? Should they have clawbacks so they can get back to at least break even?

    The problem is that VICI has better management than Wynn, and that is why Vici is profitable and Wynn is not, even though the rank and file employees at both places are pretty much interchangeable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by khicks26 View Post
    Whatever their paying you. You deserve more. Just saying.
    I think so.
    I hope what I post next doesn't paint me as some kind of blowhard, or is it too late for that.

    I spent most of my career working graveyard,
    There's an inside joke in IT, that being "put the talent on the overnight's"
    On graveyard you work without a safety net, there is nobody outside the data center in their cubicles at 2am, you have to problem solve solo.

    Anyway, the greatest thing anybody said to me on a professional level was when a department head said to me "Bill, you're the reason why we sleep well at night"
    That one swelled my head for a week.

    I do make about twenty percent more than the other's in my field.
    a) night differential is incorporate in my pay.
    b) I have 'analyst' in my job description.

    Plus the normal (and believe me, I am not normal) IT professional can't do what I do on the overnights, that is in order to process all the day's business transactions and be ready for the morning's business opening, all the corporate business online applications must be brought completely down at 8 pm, and brought back up at 6am, providing what I process on the overnight is successful.

    But yeah, I think I should be earning more, believe me, I know how insurance works, I'm on the inside looking in.
    Insurance companies, with the exception of a handful of them, are rip off artists.
    They set their life insurance rates off of actuarial (life expectancy) numbers.
    The life expectancy for all Americans, non smokers, healthy is now is 78.5 years.
    For men it's 76 years, women it's 81 years.

    So, when a healthy, non smoker who is fifty years old wants to purchase a purchase a plan, the sales team knows he will most likely live another 26 years. But the sales team will charge him as if he'll live only another twenty years, that's where the profit margin comes in.
    There's much more to it than that, but they all over charge, I'm not making excuses, I can see their one point, they have to cover their ass, but the profit margin is high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guitarjosh View Post
    Inflation is actually 9%, and when you factor in shortages it would mean true equilibrium price is even higher.

    People are forced into crappy jobs because of crappy schooling, but you defend it. Every time I bring up putting high school students without aptitude for college into vocations rather than PE, English Lit, art, etc, you say that we can't do that because it will turn our students into drones.

    Prove that record profits are stolen wages.

    VICI properties owns the Palazzo and Venetian in Las Vegas. Their profit margins are 63.4%, earning over 262 million over the past 12 months. Would you say that they need to pay their employees more money? Their profits are stolen from their employees?

    Across the street, Wynn resorts is a dumpster fire right now, its profit margins are -16.5%. Is Wynn's problem that employees are being paid to much? Should they have clawbacks so they can get back to at least break even?

    The problem is that VICI has better management than Wynn, and that is why Vici is profitable and Wynn is not, even though the rank and file employees at both places are pretty much interchangeable.
    Good post. Great point on management.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guitarjosh View Post
    Inflation is actually 9%, and when you factor in shortages it would mean true equilibrium price is even higher.

    People are forced into crappy jobs because of crappy schooling, but you defend it. Every time I bring up putting high school students without aptitude for college into vocations rather than PE, English Lit, art, etc, you say that we can't do that because it will turn our students into drones.

    Prove that record profits are stolen wages.

    VICI properties owns the Palazzo and Venetian in Las Vegas. Their profit margins are 63.4%, earning over 262 million over the past 12 months. Would you say that they need to pay their employees more money? Their profits are stolen from their employees?

    Across the street, Wynn resorts is a dumpster fire right now, its profit margins are -16.5%. Is Wynn's problem that employees are being paid to much? Should they have clawbacks so they can get back to at least break even?

    The problem is that VICI has better management than Wynn, and that is why Vici is profitable and Wynn is not, even though the rank and file employees at both places are pretty much interchangeable.
    I think what I said was you can't force kids into jobs they don't want to do, or you end up with a bunch of Drones.


    I don't know what they pay employees, I know some are unionized. More than likely they don't pay enough.

    Besides this is the same anecdotal BS you always post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyBacon View Post
    Good post. Great point on management.
    Of course you say that.


    Americans haven't had a raise for 50 years. Record Profits are stolen wages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guitarjosh View Post
    Inflation is actually 9%, and when you factor in shortages it would mean true equilibrium price is even higher.

    People are forced into crappy jobs because of crappy schooling, but you defend it. Every time I bring up putting high school students without aptitude for college into vocations rather than PE, English Lit, art, etc, you say that we can't do that because it will turn our students into drones.

    Prove that record profits are stolen wages.

    VICI properties owns the Palazzo and Venetian in Las Vegas. Their profit margins are 63.4%, earning over 262 million over the past 12 months. Would you say that they need to pay their employees more money? Their profits are stolen from their employees?

    Across the street, Wynn resorts is a dumpster fire right now, its profit margins are -16.5%. Is Wynn's problem that employees are being paid to much? Should they have clawbacks so they can get back to at least break even?

    The problem is that VICI has better management than Wynn, and that is why Vici is profitable and Wynn is not, even though the rank and file employees at both places are pretty much interchangeable.
    That is interesting that all those tourist know that VICI has a better management team than Wynn’s

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    I think so.
    I hope what I post next doesn't paint me as some kind of blowhard, or is it too late for that.

    I spent most of my career working graveyard,
    There's an inside joke in IT, that being "put the talent on the overnight's"
    On graveyard you work without a safety net, there is nobody outside the data center in their cubicles at 2am, you have to problem solve solo.

    Anyway, the greatest thing anybody said to me on a professional level was when a department head said to me "Bill, you're the reason why we sleep well at night"
    That one swelled my head for a week.

    I do make about twenty percent more than the other's in my field.
    a) night differential is incorporate in my pay.
    b) I have 'analyst' in my job description.

    Plus the normal (and believe me, I am not normal) IT professional can't do what I do on the overnights, that is in order to process all the day's business transactions and be ready for the morning's business opening, all the corporate business online applications must be brought completely down at 8 pm, and brought back up at 6am, providing what I process on the overnight is successful.

    But yeah, I think I should be earning more, believe me, I know how insurance works, I'm on the inside looking in.
    Insurance companies, with the exception of a handful of them, are rip off artists.
    They set their life insurance rates off of actuarial (life expectancy) numbers.
    The life expectancy for all Americans, non smokers, healthy is now is 78.5 years.
    For men it's 76 years, women it's 81 years.

    So, when a healthy, non smoker who is fifty years old wants to purchase a purchase a plan, the sales team knows he will most likely live another 26 years. But the sales team will charge him as if he'll live only another twenty years, that's where the profit margin comes in.
    There's much more to it than that, but they all over charge, I'm not making excuses, I can see their one point, they have to cover their ass, but the profit margin is high.
    The whole system is rigged to benefit those at the top. That's who buys the government, makes the laws & rules.

    Insurance is just part of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thor4140 View Post
    That is interesting that all those tourist know that VICI has a better management team than Wynn’s
    LOL Yea I know, right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by khicks26 View Post
    I think what I said was you can't force kids into jobs they don't want to do, or you end up with a bunch of Drones.


    I don't know what they pay employees, I know some are unionized. More than likely they don't pay enough.

    Besides this is the same anecdotal BS you always post.
    They're doing jobs they don't want to do now as adults, they're just working jobs that a few decades ago were for teenagers. But if they're going to work a job they're not passionate about, let's try to get them as productive as possible so they make more money while protecting taxpayer dollars. Let's not act like the 50-60 something guy working the cash register at Walmart has a passion for it, nor does the 30 something stocking shelves at Walmart. I'm willing to bet that firefighters don't have a passion for running into burning buildings that are on the verge of collapse.

    You must not go to Vegas often. I have friends at both Wynn and Venetian. It's about the only place where you can meet 20 somethings with no education beyond high school that drive a Mercedes, own their own home, and take regular vacations to Europe or Asia. Most rank & file employees in Vegas make minimum wage or a little more + tips.

    It's an anecdote to illustrate a broader concept. Management plays a huge roll in the success or failure of a company. You can have 2 companies that do the exact same thing across the street from each other and one is making record profits while the other is losing money. The baseless claim that record profits = stolen wages is a big load of crap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thor4140 View Post
    That is interesting that all those tourist know that VICI has a better management team than Wynn’s
    What are you talking about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by guitarjosh View Post
    They're doing jobs they don't want to do now as adults, they're just working jobs that a few decades ago were for teenagers. But if they're going to work a job they're not passionate about, let's try to get them as productive as possible so they make more money while protecting taxpayer dollars. Let's not act like the 50-60 something guy working the cash register at Walmart has a passion for it, nor does the 30 something stocking shelves at Walmart. I'm willing to bet that firefighters don't have a passion for running into burning buildings that are on the verge of collapse.

    You must not go to Vegas often. I have friends at both Wynn and Venetian. It's about the only place where you can meet 20 somethings with no education beyond high school that drive a Mercedes, own their own home, and take regular vacations to Europe or Asia. Most rank & file employees in Vegas make minimum wage or a little more + tips.

    It's an anecdote to illustrate a broader concept. Management plays a huge roll in the success or failure of a company. You can have 2 companies that do the exact same thing across the street from each other and one is making record profits while the other is losing money. The baseless claim that record profits = stolen wages is a big load of crap.
    Because I disagree with you is not an endorsement of the system we have. You can't tell a kid at 14 -18 here is the job you will do the rest of your life. Its like some Orwell 1984 shit.

    No I don't. Going in Nov this year.


    If something is anecdotal it can't illustrate a broader concept. Then it wouldn't be anecdotal. LOL Funny thing is you go on to tell a personal story. LOL


    Productivity rises every year since the 1970's while wages flatline is not a load of crap, that's a preconceived notion that fits your world view.


    Not sure you live in the real world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by khicks26 View Post
    Because I disagree with you is not an endorsement of the system we have. You can't tell a kid at 14 -18 here is the job you will do the rest of your life. Its like some Orwell 1984 shit.

    No I don't. Going in Nov this year.


    If something is anecdotal it can't illustrate a broader concept. Then it wouldn't be anecdotal. LOL Funny thing is you go on to tell a personal story. LOL


    Productivity rises every year since the 1970's while wages flatline is not a load of crap, that's a preconceived notion that fits your world view.


    Not sure you live in the real world.
    You're not forcing anyone to do a job for the rest of their life, you're teaching them the skills to be able to contribute to society in a meaningful way and earn a good living in the process right out of high school. If they don't want to do that, fine. But we shouldn't be forcing taxpayers to pay $170,000 to put someone through K-12, knowing that they need more education or they'll end up working at McDonald's or Walmart. We also shouldn't be footing the bill for someone to go to college to get an English Lit degree that they'll never use, but when they're 22 and working as a barista at Starbucks, they'll have no student debt.

    For all the left's talk about paid family leave or childcare, did it ever occur to them that this wouldn't be needed if people were more productive? If one parent makes enough money to let the other stay home with the kids, paid family leave and subsidized child care isn't needed. If we could train high school kids vocations, it would be common to see married couples in their mid 20s with no more than high school diplomas to make 6 figures a year, which would allow them to own a home and have one parent stay home with the kids.

    Have you ever heard the term "Case in point"? The point is that management plays the main role in the success or failure of a business, case in point Wynn vs Venetian. The absurd claim that record profits = stolen wages is crap.

    You're citing this graph, right? It compares the productivity of all workers vs the compensation of non supervisory workers. It's not an apples to apples comparison, but if you really want to be accurate, find out how much more productive a McDonald's burger flipper was in 1973 vs 2022. My guess it they're about the same, so their compensation will be about the same too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by guitarjosh View Post
    You're not forcing anyone to do a job for the rest of their life, you're teaching them the skills to be able to contribute to society in a meaningful way and earn a good living in the process right out of high school. If they don't want to do that, fine. But we shouldn't be forcing taxpayers to pay $170,000 to put someone through K-12, knowing that they need more education or they'll end up working at McDonald's or Walmart. We also shouldn't be footing the bill for someone to go to college to get an English Lit degree that they'll never use, but when they're 22 and working as a barista at Starbucks, they'll have no student debt.

    For all the left's talk about paid family leave or childcare, did it ever occur to them that this wouldn't be needed if people were more productive? If one parent makes enough money to let the other stay home with the kids, paid family leave and subsidized child care isn't needed. If we could train high school kids vocations, it would be common to see married couples in their mid 20s with no more than high school diplomas to make 6 figures a year, which would allow them to own a home and have one parent stay home with the kids.

    Have you ever heard the term "Case in point"? The point is that management plays the main role in the success or failure of a business, case in point Wynn vs Venetian. The absurd claim that record profits = stolen wages is crap.

    You're citing this graph, right? It compares the productivity of all workers vs the compensation of non supervisory workers. It's not an apples to apples comparison, but if you really want to be accurate, find out how much more productive a McDonald's burger flipper was in 1973 vs 2022. My guess it they're about the same, so their compensation will be about the same too.
    So really you just don't want to pay tax's. I have no problem with a kid that wants & knows what he wants to do. School should be more than a job training program. End of story.


    Then why does the line climb even from 1948 to 1973. Your not making sense again to make things fit in your world view.


    Case in Point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by khicks26 View Post
    So really you just don't want to pay tax's. I have no problem with a kid that wants & knows what he wants to do. School should be more than a job training program. End of story.


    Then why does the line climb even from 1948 to 1973. Your not making sense again to make things fit in your world view.


    Case in Point.
    I don't want to pay taxes if the money will be wasted. I have no problem with a kid that knows what he wants to do either, but if you want an English Lit degree that you'll never use, don't ask me to subsidize your worthless degree. Don't ask me to subsidize you when you're 30 working as a Starbucks barista and living with your parents. A lot of kids have no idea what they want to do, but don't want to work full time at BK, so they go to college and get a worthless degree and put off life for 4 more years. School should also be more than a college prep program, especially when most people who go to college don't even make enough money to justify the cost of going to college, hence the calls for student loan forgiveness. Ready or not, here life comes, end of story.

    Like I said before, from 1940 - 1973 we had a military draft which acted as a de facto trade school for a significant amount of the men in this country. We ended that in 1973, which is also the year we went into a pretty deep recession. By the time we came out of the recession and shook off the impact several years later, men that would have come out of the military with more skills had never gone into the military. They worked at a gas station pumping gas for minimum wage + tips, and their productivity levels never caught up.

    We've already been through this, I wish you would pay attention.



    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...-non-veterans/
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    Quote Originally Posted by guitarjosh View Post
    I don't want to pay taxes if the money will be wasted. I have no problem with a kid that knows what he wants to do either, but if you want an English Lit degree that you'll never use, don't ask me to subsidize your worthless degree. Don't ask me to subsidize you when you're 30 working as a Starbucks barista and living with your parents. School should also be more than a college prep program, especially when most people who go to college don't even make enough money to justify the cost of going to college, hence the calls for student loan forgiveness. Ready or not, here life comes, end of story.

    Like I said before, from 1940 - 1973 we had a military draft which acted as a de facto trade school for a significant amount of the men in this country. We ended that in 1973, which is also the year we went into a pretty deep recession. By the time we came out of the recession and shook off the impact several years later, men that would have come out of the military with more skills had never gone into the military. They worked at a gas station pumping gas for minimum wage + tips, and their productivity levels never caught up.

    We've already been through this, I wish you would pay attention.



    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...-non-veterans/
    I don't think its about what kids want, its about what you want.


    So now your using a 2017 chart to tell me what happened in 1948 to 1973. OK

    Besides it would be a small factor if at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by khicks26 View Post
    I don't think its about what kids want, its about what you want.


    So now your using a 2017 chart to tell me what happened in 1948 to 1973. OK

    Besides it would be a small factor if at all.
    It's about what the children want now, and everyone admits it isn't working. Do you know why? It's because they're children, and they have little life experience. They have no idea how the real world works. Telling 17-18 year olds who have no idea what they want to do with their lives (but don't want to work full time at Walmart) to go to college and study something they're passionate about is financially crippling generations of Americans. Again, if instead of wasting time putting kids in gym class, art class, English Lit class, etc, we taught them welding, plumbing, HVACR repair, mechanics, etc, they would be making a very good living before they got to their 10 year high school reunion.

    I'm using a chart to show that households headed by military vets without college degrees make 35%-40% more money a year than those without military vets. You want to know what happened in the 1970s (pre Reagan), that was it.
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    Love how in here the company men are saying get more education, go above and beyond (boot lick) to achieve the American dream. It used to be like that. Work your 30 and have a nice pension to retire on. That's a little hard to achieve when the bottom drops out of the economy every 10 years or so. (thanks reagan, bush and rump) When everyone has to start all over again. After all that boot licking, you still are in the street w/o a job. I'm glad I had my 35 in, saved a little and can have uncle sam supplement w/ MY money, you pukes are trying to take away if elected. We are woke to your F'n bullshit!
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