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    A thought on our founding fathers that buillt and started America...

    I watch politics and see how selfish and how party driven it all is today. They don't work for the people anymore. It's all about party and selfish gains. I then think back 250 years ago to where America was first founded and when really mindful devoted politicians and people thought for the PEOPLE and future over everything else.

    They were brilliant minds back then. I'm convinced!! They figured the Constitution out for the UNITED STATES of AMERICA..


    The US Constitution has kept true to this day. America is the front runner in the world today.

    Our Politicians today are nothing like our founding fathers!!! 250 years ago they really bled red white and blue. Fought in Revolutions and wars. They gathered as a leading group of people to solve solutions for the people!!! I think there was bipartisanship back then, that doesn't apply today ...


    I wish all Americans would be and act as Americans and work for the people and not the party they stand for, so much could be done in Congress. Rant over...




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    Good post Jibby

    It was a different world back then. It was about survival. That is what bonded our forefathers and our ancestors. They fought together, they died together and the lucky survived.

    They had a common goal, to gain independence and freedom. Thats what it was all about back then.

    Those days are long gone. Few of us have ever had to contemplate our countries independence or our freedoms as Americans. We’re no longer fighting a common enemy to succeed in the common goal. We don’t even suffer any longer, we’re all gluttonous.

    Now, we’re consumed with ethical debates about AI, racial and gender inequality, gun control measures, immigration and sanctuary cities, etc...

    We truly have become a nation divided

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Kraken View Post
    Good post Jibby

    It was a different world back then. It was about survival. That is what bonded our forefathers and our ancestors. They fought together, they died together and the lucky survived.

    They had a common goal, to gain independence and freedom. Thats what it was all about back then.

    Those days are long gone. Few of us have ever had to contemplate our countries independence or our freedoms as Americans. We’re no longer fighting a common enemy to succeed in the common goal. We don’t even suffer any longer, we’re all gluttonous.

    Now, we’re consumed with ethical debates about AI, racial and gender inequality, gun control measures, immigration and sanctuary cities, etc...

    We truly have become a nation divided
    Truth to this Kraken. People really had to fight back then for survival and Country.. Today people fight for nothing other then greed and status mostly.

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    The country is too diverse. Should break up into 2 to 50 separate state countries with a single military.

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    all of ur history is a lie

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyBacon View Post
    The country is too diverse. Should break up into 2 to 50 separate state countries with a single military.
    DSA - Divided States of America ..

    Perhaps New York and California should be their own Countries maybe? Those seem to be the 2 major States that never want to play ball with the rest of the entire Country.

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    a lot of states wouldn’t be able to exist on their own probably. I imagine the biggest problem would be outrageous trade wars for goods other states can’t produce.

    Fun thought exercise though.

    But I agree that things are way too different now and the constitution is basically ignored or manipulated to fit a party’s agenda. Crazy to be in ur 60s and have lived through some wild changes. I’m only 33 and it feels like a different country in the last 15 years.

    If u cut out Cali and NY you basically hobble the Democratic Party lol.

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    How about just cut the Country in half? Have a total Republican State run Country on one side and a Complete Democratic Liberally run Country on the other?

    We are divided so divide it accordingly. We the become 2 complete separate independent Countries. Build a wall between them both. Two different Presidents and Governments each run by their political party only..
    Probably have complete closed borders on one side and open borders on the other.. Love to see how each side flourishes and or destructs? That would be interesting to see???

    You'd have the Republican Country side with a strong military and every one with guns, the other Democratic side flooded with immigration, crime and drugs and people would have no guns. The two Countries would go in EXTREME different directions...

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    Republican football teams will be marginally better.

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    Yeah, now we get our politicians from branding and reality TV. It's pretty sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JIBBBY View Post
    How about just cut the Country in half? Have a total Republican State run Country on one side and a Complete Democratic Liberally run Country on the other?

    We are divided so divide it accordingly. We the become 2 complete separate independent Countries. Build a wall between them both. Two different Presidents and Governments each run by their political party only..
    Probably have complete closed borders on one side and open borders on the other.. Love to see how each side flourishes and or destructs? That would be interesting to see???

    You'd have the Republican Country side with a strong military and every one with guns, the other Democratic side flooded with immigration, crime and drugs and people would have no guns. The two Countries would go in EXTREME different directions...
    States rights. Let the states decide if they want to join a coalition or make a clean break.

    Imagine how happy tards would be with a west coast country of WA, OR and CA? Imagine how happy patriots would be with a country made up of TX, OK, Missouri, Indiana, LA, Mississippi, TN, GA, FL and the Carolina's. The northeast, midwest and high plains so I could see 5 countries and all would be infinitely better off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyBacon View Post
    States rights. Let the states decide if they want to join a coalition or make a clean break.

    Imagine how happy tards would be with a west coast country of WA, OR and CA? Imagine how happy patriots would be with a country made up of TX, OK, Missouri, Indiana, LA, Mississippi, TN, GA, FL and the Carolina's. The northeast, midwest and high plains so I could see 5 countries and all would be infinitely better off.
    Blue States Red States.. The Divide..

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyBacon View Post
    States rights. Let the states decide if they want to join a coalition or make a clean break.

    Imagine how happy tards would be with a west coast country of WA, OR and CA? Imagine how happy patriots would be with a country made up of TX, OK, Missouri, Indiana, LA, Mississippi, TN, GA, FL and the Carolina's. The northeast, midwest and high plains so I could see 5 countries and all would be infinitely better off.
    That might be the only possible solution, the opposing parties cannot agree on anything.
    More than a century ago Teddy Roosevelt became a prophet stating 'The way of bringing this nation
    to ruin, of preventing all possibility of it continuing to be a nation at all, would be
    to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities.' 'What Roosevelt warned us against we have become.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by d2bets View Post
    Yeah, now we get our politicians from branding and reality TV. It's pretty sad.
    Well, Trump is no Cory Booker I'll give you that.


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    The southern red states couldn’t survive without the north. Those redneck retards would be dead in a month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vitterd View Post
    The southern red states couldn’t survive without the north. Those redneck retards would be dead in a month.
    The liberal States would be run over with crime, illegal immigration and poverty in no time. Taxes would be so high for business owners because of freebies offered they'd all just pick up and move to the Red States where taxation would still be fair and they could still make a profit..

    Blue LIB States would become a depressive, poor, run down 3rd world Country in no time.. We have a homeless problem now.. Would only get worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JIBBBY View Post
    The liberal States would be run over with crime, illegal immigration and poverty in no time. Taxes would be so high for business owners because of freebies offered they'd all just pick up and move to the Red States where taxation would still be fair and they could still make a profit..

    Blue LIB States would become a depressive, poor, run down 3rd world Country in no time.. We have a homeless problem now.. Would only get worse.
    Tard states would be forced to be less tard. Patriot states would be just fine because they do not have reckless socialist tendencies.

    I could see a left or right populist propose this if we keep on the trajectory we are on. We are in the moment but the Dems just attempted a coup and they are more than willing to destroy the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyBacon View Post
    Tard states would be forced to be less tard. Patriot states would be just fine because they do not have reckless socialist tendencies.

    I could see a left or right populist propose this if we keep on the trajectory we are on. We are in the moment but the Dems just attempted a coup and they are more than willing to destroy the country.
    I live in a Tard Liberal State and I have seen how it has been run in to the ground and only getting worse.. Bad habits are hard to change.. Give Libs full rain it's game over.. 3rd world living conditions and poverty is what you will get.. Socialism...

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    IMO opinion as bad as they had it back then to make them fight for independence, they would be even more rebellious today. We have just been acclimated to the bs over a long period of time.

    If our forefathers stepped into present day USA they would probably be like, "I have to pay a 40% income tax, AND pay sales use and property taxes, meanwhile a large segment of the population receives the income tax that I pay and their vote counts just as much as mine?!"

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    Originally Posted by vitterd
    The southern red states couldn’t survive without the north. Those redneck retards would be dead in a month.

    What an existence this guy leads. It's not enough to be a pathological liar he has to try to think up the stupidest lies to get a reaction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dlowilly View Post
    IMO opinion as bad as they had it back then to make them fight for independence, they would be even more rebellious today. We have just been acclimated to the bs over a long period of time.

    If our forefathers stepped into present day USA they would probably be like, "I have to pay a 40% income tax, AND pay sales use and property taxes, meanwhile a large segment of the population receives the income tax that I pay and their vote counts just as much as mine?!"
    They are all rolling over in their graves today.. Trust me, if they can see what's going on with our politicians in power today they would not be happy. Government not working for the people anymore.. Working just for the political party and selfish interests instead.. Both sides..

    Believe me when I say if our founding fathers could build a wall to stop the Brits from coming in and invading they would have, not saying illegals today are trying to take over the Country with force but slowly they are..

    Won't be able to recognize America soon if all of South America and Mexico walk right in.. Learn Spanish soon..
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    jibby finally woke up congrats

    what did it? was it trumps take on assange? that had to be the last straw imo

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    There is mass migration OUT of blue states except for illegals. CA, IL, NY have folks leaving in droves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyBacon View Post
    There is mass migration OUT of blue states except for illegals. CA, IL, NY have folks leaving in droves.
    Yup there sure are.. We have new major concern happening in LA, California now.. Disease outbreak among the homeless.. They shit and piss where they sleep and eat. Had a panel of doctors on the news saying it's only a matter of time..

    Homeless camps are out of control here in So Cal..

    Birds, rodents and fleas will all carry that shiiit.. If millions of more illegals keep pouring in also our freeway traffic will only get worse, beaches will become beaned out with no one speaking English. I don't need that shiiit in my life..

    I will sell and GET OUT!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by JIBBBY View Post
    I watch politics and see how selfish and how party driven it all is today. They don't work for the people anymore. It's all about party and selfish gains. I then think back 250 years ago to where America was first founded and when really mindful devoted politicians and people thought for the PEOPLE and future over everything else.

    They were brilliant minds back then. I'm convinced!! They figured the Constitution out for the UNITED STATES of AMERICA..


    The US Constitution has kept true to this day. America is the front runner in the world today.

    Our Politicians today are nothing like our founding fathers!!! 250 years ago they really bled red white and blue. Fought in Revolutions and wars. They gathered as a leading group of people to solve solutions for the people!!! I think there was bipartisanship back then, that doesn't apply today ...


    I wish all Americans would be and act as Americans and work for the people and not the party they stand for, so much could be done in Congress. Rant over...



    jibby anyone that believes this has never studied history. Adam burr and thomas jefferson(rep-dem party )started their own party because of the federalist party led by hamilton. The duel between burr and hamilton was over politics. The federalist party was real strong in new york and blackballed burr. Now if you say politics after james q adams i will agree with that. There is a reason that 4 of our 5 first presidents came from virginia. If you are a reader there are a couple of books about aaron burr that are interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dlowilly View Post
    IMO opinion as bad as they had it back then to make them fight for independence, they would be even more rebellious today. We have just been acclimated to the bs over a long period of time.

    If our forefathers stepped into present day USA they would probably be like, "I have to pay a 40% income tax, AND pay sales use and property taxes, meanwhile a large segment of the population receives the income tax that I pay and their vote counts just as much as mine?!"
    you as i would be a nothing. Back in those days you had to have money to buy property. The first bank for common folks was started by burr. It was called the first bank of manhatten. You know it today as j p morgan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JIBBBY View Post
    I live in a Tard Liberal State and I have seen how it has been run in to the ground and only getting worse.. Bad habits are hard to change.. Give Libs full rain it's game over.. 3rd world living conditions and poverty is what you will get.. Socialism...
    funny how your delusions are not reality. California is probably the most prosperous state in the union.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtoler View Post
    all of ur history is a lie

    Yes, for the most part.

    Lets not forget that Washington order troops to fire on the very soldiers that fought the revolutionary war. Just for wanting to be paid what they were promised. The founders were rich white men that owned slaves & wanted to keep it that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chico2663 View Post
    funny how your delusions are not reality. California is probably the most prosperous state in the union.
    6th largest economy in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chico2663 View Post
    funny how your delusions are not reality. California is probably the most prosperous state in the union.
    Not for much longer.. Let's take the city of San Francisco for example, you walk the streets you see needles, trash, homeless and drug addicts every where. That city is liberal run and has clearly taken a turn for the worse.. That's just fact Chico!!! Google it...

    Liberals love to give out freebies, people then get lazy, comfortable, unemployed and hooked on drugs then.. They come to the Sanctuary cities like Frisco with the free meals offered daily, homeless shelters and where they won't be hassled while doing drugs in the open.

    It's disgusting welcome to San Francisco today.. Thank you Liberals in power. https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/27/healt...ets/index.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by JIBBBY View Post
    Not for much longer.. Let's take the city of San Francisco for example, you walk the streets you see needles, trash, homeless and drug addicts every where. That city is liberal run and has clearly taken a turn for the worse.. That's just fact Chico!!! Google it...

    Liberals love to give out freebies, people then get lazy, comfortable, unemployed and hooked on drugs then.. They come to the Sanctuary cities like Frisco with the free meals offered daily, homeless shelters and where they won't be hassled while doing drugs in the open.

    It's disgusting welcome to San Francisco today.. Thank you Liberals in power. https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/27/healt...ets/index.html
    How is this different from any major city in the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JIBBBY View Post
    Yup there sure are.. We have new major concern happening in LA, California now.. Disease outbreak among the homeless.. They shit and piss where they sleep and eat. Had a panel of doctors on the news saying it's only a matter of time..

    Homeless camps are out of control here in So Cal..

    Birds, rodents and fleas will all carry that shiiit.. If millions of more illegals keep pouring in also our freeway traffic will only get worse, beaches will become beaned out with no one speaking English. I don't need that shiiit in my life..

    I will sell and GET OUT!!!

    Snuck that one in there.

    Where are you going to go once you leave?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigtymer56 View Post
    Snuck that one in there.

    Where are you going to go once you leave?
    Florida or Hawaii probably, I gotta live by the beach it's in my blood.. Florida has no State taxes which is enticing also.. Orlando area maybe is what I'm thinking down the road or farther up the coast closer to Alabama.. Destin area perhaps..

    I got family living in Alabama and Mississippi now.. Dustin, Florida is a couple hours drive away from them tops..


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    Quote Originally Posted by JIBBBY View Post
    Not for much longer.. Let's take the city of San Francisco for example, you walk the streets you see needles, trash, homeless and drug addicts every where. That city is liberal run and has clearly taken a turn for the worse.. That's just fact Chico!!! Google it...

    Liberals love to give out freebies, people then get lazy, comfortable, unemployed and hooked on drugs then.. They come to the Sanctuary cities like Frisco with the free meals offered daily, homeless shelters and where they won't be hassled while doing drugs in the open.

    It's disgusting welcome to San Francisco today.. Thank you Liberals in power. https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/27/healt...ets/index.html
    i'm sure a good many of those are vets who got fuckked up by our govt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chico2663 View Post
    i'm sure a good many of those are vets who got fuckked up by our govt.
    I hate that.. I'm sure there are...

    Look at the tweet by Cheer just yesterday...https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.1b39481bb034

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