[wiffle]

in a satellite or double or nothing
obviously not pre in a tourney except maybe on the bubble with less than a bb

[GUMMO77]

Epic thread .. I love this!

--- I am not a cheater! But now I will cheat. --

You go one with your bad self

[Buried_PIRATE]

The reasons that they have are borderline questionable at best.
They basically gave me a bunch of hand histories and said explain why you did this... and then they give you an example.
One was when I folded pocket aces. and they asked why i would fold the best hand in poker. The answer was that i was on the bubble so i folded. The scenarios are mostly me folding when my friend was in BB or him folding when i was in BB. that is hardly colaborating. its not like i was dumping chips or doing squeeze plays or anything. anyways, pokerstars is bullshit.

Lol this post makes me so mad. That is collaborating you dumbass.

If you are soft playing your buddy on the bubble you are letting him keep his chips when it is your duty to play aggro.

Unless of course you really do suck and were just playing $1 tourneys. Still, good job pokerstars support

[the_situation]

Collusion...cheating...same thing. I know someone who used to work at Full Tilt, you get banned for colluding with friends on the spot if they have proof.

[dmtrader]

There's WAY too much table talk in some of these poker rooms - SBR freerolls for example. I'm not talking about "gl" or "nice hand" eaither. I've seen players discuss the hand in play and tell each other what they are going to play.

[MJ_6rings]

Why cheat.. cheating brings you no good..

[sq764]

its near impossible to prove cheating or collusion... this whole thread is BS..

[Dirty Sanchez]

Im going to cheat for sure now, and create a ton of accounts and use every IP address I can to get back at Stars.

Good to see you're advertising to everyone....I'm sure they don't monitor this forum You may want to stick to your MENSA society meetings

[robzilla]

Good to see you're advertising to everyone....I'm sure they don't monitor this forum You may want to stick to your MENSA society meetings

Look at all these idiots so who are so angry. Maybe Ive seen the light and u are so dillusional that you dont see the big picture here.

If they have kicked me off for soft play against my friends just imagine what is really going on. I read there was a 100 player chinese collusion ring on PS. Plus, the whole absolute poker cheating thing.

OMG, if all this has been exposed this problem is much bigger than any of us know. As long as there has been poker there has been cheating at poker, and there always will be. Get mad about it, but thats the way it is, and thats how it always will be. Those who are playing straight up are getting mad cuase they are getting beat by angle shooters and advantage bettors (people much smarter than the other players).

[sq764]

I've been colluded against many times on sitngos, 3 times in one day by the same 2 people (who were dumb enough to put the same hometown and sit next to each other).. I got them once and they got me twice.. I sent a message to PS, they said 'we take these very seriously, we'll investigate, blah blah'.. nothing happened

[stikymess]

Ban for "cheating" okay but really taking his money? they will end up in some court doing that.

[Conan]

Ban for "cheating" okay but really taking his money? they will end up in some court doing that.

not likely if there is any proof of cheating or as the lawers will call it fraud just my guess

[BeerDog99]

AFAIK, it would not go to court, because there is no jurisdiction.

Also, he broke their terms of service and they reserve the right to ban and seize the $$ in the account.

Everybody agrees to the terms when they create the accounts.

[mvp123]

it was stated in an earlier thread thatthisbozo robzilla played in the 1pm tourny here today and the late one tonite so i say ban this fck fortrying to get over on sbr

[Extra Innings]

People you know? Like a 6 man SitnGo with Robzilla, Bobzilla, Mobzilla, Gobzilla, Lobzilla, and JoeMark?

[bondi_slacker]

sorry dude, life sucks

[AmpleGamble]

1. This guy cheated for sure and got caught. Tough luck

2. Are you guys serious about NEVER folding AA on the bubble? Obviously there's not an overwhelming number of situations where it is +ev to do so but for example....

Lets say there are 3 guys left in a $100 6 person sit and go. 1st place pays out $420 and 2nd place pays out $180. Button has 5000 in chips, SB has 3980 in chips, and YOU the BB have 20 in chips. You are dealt AA and BOTH the Button and SB have gone all in. It is your turn to act, what do you do???

[Optional]

what do you do???

Buy the other two guys a drink for gifting me $180.

[Hawkeye2009]

Nobody folds pocket aces!

mate, i know somebody who does !!!!

Insane but... he does , coz once he lost with aces 10000 leva (7000$) vs 1 outer !!!!

[necro]

you cheated, they caught you, end of story!

[Bartmeister]

And now he is cheating us! He played in 2 SBR poker tourneys on the same day when everyone is only supposed to play 1. He finished 49th in the 1:00pm tourney and 2nd in the 10:00pm. He was paid the 300 points prize. He can't deny this one.

[levski2006]

And now he is cheating us! He played in 2 SBR poker tourneys on the same day when everyone is only supposed to play 1. He finished 49th in the 1:00pm tourney and 2nd in the 10:00pm. He was paid the 300 points prize. He can't deny this one.

lol is that true?

[k13]

Yeah maybe after the flop, but never pre flop

yes pre flop, in satties only.

[fishblood]

Pok aces always win.LOL

[lukahh]

Im going to cheat for sure now, and create a ton of accounts and use every IP address I can to get back at Stars.

to innocent onlooker this sounds like you were already doing it before you got caught

[EZMARVIN]

Im going to cheat for sure now, and create a ton of accounts and use every IP address I can to get back at Stars.

Have you given the thought that if you do that you would be cheating other players and not PokerStars ????

[Mylak]

The scenarios are mostly me folding when my friend was in BB or him folding when i was in BB. that is hardly colaborating.

You're not serious. Folding to your "friend" in the BB and him folding to you is practically the definition of open collaboration in a SnG. On top of that 1 or 2 SnG's would not be nearly enough for them to even think about banning you. So this must have happened numerous times.

Just because you don't think "soft playing" your friend is not cheating doesn't make it true. It's cheating. It's collaboration and collusion. It is the exact "scenario" that people will report you for, and for the average clueless online player to notice it, it must have happened quite a lot.

I understand that you would be upset, especialy if you didn't realize what you were doing was technically cheating. Now you know. Don't do it anymore.

[necro]

Props to pokerstars, they did gooood job!!!

[lunchbawks]

everyone cheats on pokerstars, no big deal

[icancount2one]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheatin...oker#Collusion

Poker cheats have a reputation for believing they would win anyway if they didn't cheat, and when that fails, claiming that their behavior is justified because "it's immoral to let a sucker keep their money" or that winning consistently playing it straight is impossible.

I've also read that with rare exceptions, we don't have to worry much about you, or the hundreds of cheats like you, because people smart enough to win rarely collude, and people that resort to cheating are normally dumb enough to get caught.

Apparently it's all true.

[kaschmunnie]

you obv cheated if they had overwhelming evidence...you deserve to be banned

[Optional]

You're not serious. Folding to your "friend" in the BB and him folding to you is practically the definition of open collaboration in a SnG. On top of that 1 or 2 SnG's would not be nearly enough for them to even think about banning you. So this must have happened numerous times.

Just because you don't think "soft playing" your friend is not cheating doesn't make it true. It's cheating. It's collaboration and collusion. It is the exact "scenario" that people will report you for, and for the average clueless online player to notice it, it must have happened quite a lot.

I understand that you would be upset, especialy if you didn't realize what you were doing was technically cheating. Now you know. Don't do it anymore.

For a total newbie, how does folding to your friend help you so much it's called cheating?

What's the strategy? To have one less player to compete against when you are the BB?

[Buried_PIRATE]

This is a hypothetical situation, I didn't take the time to work out an exact situation like this.

Set up: A is the original poster of this thread, B is butt pirate buddy (they are BFFs) and C is you. You guys have been playing a grueling tournament for hours and are the final 3. The stack sizes look like this:

A = 5000
B = 550
C = 500

The blinds are 250/500 and B is in the small blind, A is the big blind. B goes all in. Right now there are now 1050 chips in the middle, with A to call 50.

So the current stack sizes: C = 500, A = 4500 (50 to call) , B = 0 (ALL IN)
POT = 1050

A can not fold here regardless of whatever cards he has. If he does this on a routine basis to player B but not to player C, that is collusion. There is no hand (in my contrived scenario) where calling the additional 50 chips is -EV for a pot of 1100. Even if B showed up with AA and A had 27o everytime the EV is still positive (and yes that is an 11% chance to win hand)

[Mylak]

It is termed "soft playing" and it is a form of collusion. By not playing against your friend you are preserving your chip stack and his. The whole point of collusion in an SnG being to get the people who are cheating into the money. As the poster stated, both he and his friend were folding to each other. That is open cooperation and in poker that is cheating.

[azgrabi1]

thats playing with fire from the get go. sorry, sucks