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    I signed up at Americas Card room. It was refered by a A+ sportsbook here. The beats on there are mathematically impossible as a whole. Literally AA KK wins 10%. In addition to best hand on the flob (same Senario). You can almost call out the improbable cards and they come repeatedly. There is no way statistically and matmaticaly this is probable. Rigged is one thing. My experience is beond rigged. Unexplainable. Atleast a rigged site you win some hands. I went 1 for 20 with top hand on rhe flob a night ago AA went 0 for 7. QQ got beat by 66,77,88,99 river trips each time. In additional it gets called each time pre flop???? You would think a site would want you to win probable hands once in a while? Has anyone experienced this? I had the same issue on poker stars but not this extream.

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    Hands down bovada or ignition casino. People out here in Europe pay up to $1000 a month just to be able to play on these sites in "creative" ways. I myself will be doing that as well, but for wayyy less. It's that worth it trust me.. Btw ACR isn't rigged, if you want to see rigged then go play on some random chinese poker site.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pimpinaces View Post
    I signed up at Americas Card room. It was refered by a A+ sportsbook here. The beats on there are mathematically impossible as a whole. Literally AA KK wins 10%. In addition to best hand on the flob (same Senario). You can almost call out the improbable cards and they come repeatedly. There is no way statistically and matmaticaly this is probable. Rigged is one thing. My experience is beond rigged. Unexplainable. Atleast a rigged site you win some hands. I went 1 for 20 with top hand on rhe flob a night ago AA went 0 for 7. QQ got beat by 66,77,88,99 river trips each time. In additional it gets called each time pre flop???? You would think a site would want you to win probable hands once in a while? Has anyone experienced this? I had the same issue on poker stars but not this extream.
    why i quit playing for any real money on line..... total rigged shitholes, i'd get killed on the flob, the turb, and the ribber....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auto Donk View Post
    why i quit playing for any real money on line..... total rigged shitholes, i'd get killed on the flob, the turb, and the ribber....
    Come back and talk to me if it happens when you are holding the stone-cold nups.

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    America's Cardroom is on the WPN network. No it's not rigged. You probably shouldn't play online poker if you think that it is.

    The best sites for tournaments are Americas Cardroom.
    Best all around is Global Poker (Can use Paypal and totally legal)
    Then Bovada/Ignition but it sucks for cash games as you can only play four games. Tournaments are okay on there as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ballerholic View Post
    Hands down bovada or ignition casino. People out here in Europe pay up to $1000 a month just to be able to play on these sites in "creative" ways. I myself will be doing that as well, but for wayyy less. It's that worth it trust me.. Btw ACR isn't rigged, if you want to see rigged then go play on some random chinese poker site.
    Creative ways, as in godmoding?

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    Quote Originally Posted by garvardntl View Post
    Creative ways, as in godmoding?
    Creative ways as in using an american/canadian or other approved country address and IP.

    @ballerholic. Bovada/Ignition games are good and yes I know Pokerstars and other sites are much tougher but Bovada is not worth jumping through hoops to play on. 4 table cap and no rewards or rakeback hardly make the better games worth the trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pimpinaces View Post
    I signed up at Americas Card room. It was refered by a A+ sportsbook here. The beats on there are mathematically impossible as a whole. Literally AA KK wins 10%. In addition to best hand on the flob (same Senario). You can almost call out the improbable cards and they come repeatedly. There is no way statistically and matmaticaly this is probable. Rigged is one thing. My experience is beond rigged. Unexplainable. Atleast a rigged site you win some hands. I went 1 for 20 with top hand on rhe flob a night ago AA went 0 for 7. QQ got beat by 66,77,88,99 river trips each time. In additional it gets called each time pre flop???? You would think a site would want you to win probable hands once in a while? Has anyone experienced this? I had the same issue on poker stars but not this extream.
    the conspiracy is in your head and just randomness...I recommend heritage sports, betcoin and Nitrogen. those are the ones I play at... heritage and betcoin have decent traffic good MTT nitrogen lighter traffic but games are weaker lots fish...Plus all 3 you get paid ASAP super fast same day heritage and Betcoin/Nitrogen like within the hour but those are BTC only....heritage turn BTC to USD

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    Quote Originally Posted by littlekona View Post
    the conspiracy is in your head and just randomness...I recommend heritage sports, betcoin and Nitrogen. those are the ones I play at... heritage and betcoin have decent traffic good MTT nitrogen lighter traffic but games are weaker lots fish...Plus all 3 you get paid ASAP super fast same day heritage and Betcoin/Nitrogen like within the hour but those are BTC only....heritage turn BTC to USD
    Heritage and Betcoin are the same as Americas Cardroom @littlekona. The only difference is Americas Cardroom gives 35% rakeback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crusherrr View Post
    Heritage and Betcoin are the same as Americas Cardroom @littlekona. The only difference is Americas Cardroom gives 35% rakeback.

    are you sure? where did u see this...I just chatted live heritage and they said no...But anyway how fast are payouts on Americas card room? do they do BTC instant?

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    Quote Originally Posted by littlekona View Post
    are you sure? where did u see this...I just chatted live heritage and they said no...But anyway how fast are payouts on Americas card room? do they do BTC instant?
    Its the Winning Poker Network. All games on America's Cardroom, BlackChip Poker, TruePoker, PokerHost, Heritage, Betcoin and others are on that network and they share games. Heritage isn't the same site as Americas Cardroom it's just the same network for poker games. But it doesn't make any sense to play on Heritage when Americas Cardroom gives rakeback.

    Americas Cardroom is not instant like Nitro/Betcoin or BTC only books are. It converts to USD on deposit. Payouts with BTC are usually 2 days or less. Not bad but not as fast as many A rated books would be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crusherrr View Post
    Its the Winning Poker Network. All games on America's Cardroom, BlackChip Poker, TruePoker, PokerHost, Heritage, Betcoin and others are on that network and they share games. Heritage isn't the same site as Americas Cardroom it's just the same network for poker games. But it doesn't make any sense to play on Heritage when Americas Cardroom gives rakeback.

    Americas Cardroom is not instant like Nitro/Betcoin or BTC only books are. It converts to USD on deposit. Payouts with BTC are usually 2 days or less. Not bad but not as fast as many A rated books would be.
    But they share Guarantee MTT and ring cash games...So I can be on heritage and play at same table as you are on at ACR right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by littlekona View Post
    But they share Guarantee MTT and ring cash games...So I can be on heritage and play at same table as you are on at ACR right?
    Correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crusherrr View Post
    Correct.
    Just asked again and got a confirmation from heritage that you are correct and the are part of wpn....Ill have to look at the heritage poker bonus if there is any....

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    Crusher- when you get to 200NL+ it's way more profitable to be on bovsda. For example, if you can beat 50NL PS for 2bb+ then you would beat 200NL bovada
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ballerholic View Post
    Crusher- when you get to 200NL+ it's way more profitable to be on bovsda. For example, if you can beat 50NL PS for 2bb+ then you would beat 200NL bovada
    Again, you can only play 4 tables. Bovada was once very good. It's still good but not worth jumping through hoops or paying to play on from a location they dont allow. Anonymous tables remove an edge too cutting into your bb/100 rate again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crusherrr View Post
    America's Cardroom is on the WPN network. No it's not rigged. You probably shouldn't play online poker if you think that it is.
    bro don't act like you fukkin know everything

    it might be rigged, its just that those that actually play for a living haven't noticed anything yet

    so you go back to enjoying your 100NL and let the real players decide if its rigged in due time

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    Quote Originally Posted by RudyRuetigger View Post
    bro don't act like you fukkin know everything

    it might be rigged, its just that those that actually play for a living haven't noticed anything yet

    so you go back to enjoying your 100NL and let the real players decide if its rigged in due time
    besides, would be a fukkin piece of cake to rig a site now after 2+2 gave a blueprint on how to cover a scandal since they uncovered everyting at UB/AP

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    Quote Originally Posted by RudyRuetigger View Post
    bro don't act like you fukkin know everything

    it might be rigged, its just that those that actually play for a living haven't noticed anything yet

    so you go back to enjoying your 100NL and let the real players decide if its rigged in due time
    I played for a living from 2004-2011. Then moved on to DFS from 2013-2016. America's Cardroom is not rigged. The cash games are extremely tough though. But definitely not rigged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auto Donk View Post
    why i quit playing for any real money on line..... total rigged shitholes, i'd get killed on the flob, the turb, and the ribber....


    OP did reference the "flob" twice.

    Had to check my keyboard again to see just how close the B and P keys are....

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    America's Cardroom is a pretty hard site IMO.

    I recommend:

    BetOnline: small tourneys during week, big tourneys on weekend, cash games are okayyy
    Global Poker: annoying Flash based software, but soft!
    Carbon Poker: 5% cashout fee with BTC which SUCKS, but the games are good

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    Crusher- A lot of midstake players aren't playing that many tables at once. This is 2017. Also winrates are much higher on Bovada than any other site in the world. I've seen people easily achieve over 7bb+ at 200NL and these guys couldn't beat 100NL PS. Bovada is party so soft because of how anonymous it is. You can't just go hunting fish. But sit down, put on your HUD, and you'll spot at least 2 whales at every cash table. Now if you are beating 200NL+ for a good winrate on ACR/PS then yea you are probably one of the best players in the world so no need for bovada.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crusherrr View Post
    I played for a living from 2004-2011. Then moved on to DFS from 2013-2016. America's Cardroom is not rigged. The cash games are extremely tough though. But definitely not rigged.
    Damn that's so sick! So you were a poker pro, then you played DFS professionally? What about now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ballerholic View Post
    Crusher- A lot of midstake players aren't playing that many tables at once. This is 2017. Also winrates are much higher on Bovada than any other site in the world. I've seen people easily achieve over 7bb+ at 200NL and these guys couldn't beat 100NL PS. Bovada is party so soft because of how anonymous it is. You can't just go hunting fish. But sit down, put on your HUD, and you'll spot at least 2 whales at every cash table. Now if you are beating 200NL+ for a good winrate on ACR/PS then yea you are probably one of the best players in the world so no need for bovada.
    Yeah ACR games are VERY tough. I can't even beat 400+ on there and my bb/100 is marginal at best in 100NL and 200NL games.
    I'm also out of practice and don't grind much anymore. The game has evolved and changed but it's still beatable.

    I don't disagree that the Bovada games are soft and many of my friends who moved to continue the dream in Mexico/Thailand/Malta etc. have made more since returning back to the states. I just figured you'd still have other options besides Stars where fish were more prevalent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ballerholic View Post
    Damn that's so sick! So you were a poker pro, then you played DFS professionally? What about now?
    I'm an OG for sure online. I was playing 15-30 and 30-60 LHE when I was 14 and 15. Partypoker and Paradise poker. Then played NLHU up to 5000NL and did exceptionally well. Most of my action was was 600-1000NL because I wouldn't play the elite crushers back in the day because they were far better than myself.

    Many poker players switched to DFS. It was like 2004 all over again in the poker world but with fantasy sports. More relaxing and exciting too. But ultimately it got to the point where I couldn't make money at it anymore. The game became solved for the most part. The biggest flaw was players like myself could get $10k in action a night at $1-$5 games. You could never do that in poker. Imagine if the best players in the world could sit at 10NL-5000NL.

    Now I'm just an accountant. Fun stuff.

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    wow crusherr that's insane. Sounds like a sick life you had! If you didn't live in U.S. would you continue being a poker pro? Maybe venture into PLO? Any advice for somebody trying to become a poker pro today?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ballerholic View Post
    wow crusherr that's insane. Sounds like a sick life you had! If you didn't live in U.S. would you continue being a poker pro? Maybe venture into PLO? Any advice for somebody trying to become a poker pro today?
    If I didn't live in the US and had same life situation (had kids at age 20) then no I wouldn't have continued playing. I enjoy poker more as a hobby then I did as a job. I gave up my life age 14-21 essentially and missed out on a lot of things in high school and college years. It set me ahead financially big time but I didnt graduate until last year (age 26). I've got almost total equity in my home and own everything else outright. In that sense it helped but you can always make/replace money but can't go back in time.

    I would have never ventured into PLO. If I were you now I wouldn't consider playing professionally past your college years. I was able to teach a group of kids in high school to beat 100NL with very little practice. It would take 10x the amount of effort to teach someone to beat 5NL in 2017. I'd seek other career paths and enjoy poker as a lucrative side income and a hobby. Ten years ago I'd have said go all in on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crusherrr View Post
    If I didn't live in the US and had same life situation (had kids at age 20) then no I wouldn't have continued playing. I enjoy poker more as a hobby then I did as a job. I gave up my life age 14-21 essentially and missed out on a lot of things in high school and college years. It set me ahead financially big time but I didnt graduate until last year (age 26). I've got almost total equity in my home and own everything else outright. In that sense it helped but you can always make/replace money but can't go back in time.

    I would have never ventured into PLO. If I were you now I wouldn't consider playing professionally passed your college years. I was able to teach a group of kids in high school to beat 100NL with very little practice. It would take 10x the amount of effort to teach someone to beat 5NL in 2017. I'd seek other career paths and enjoy poker as a lucrative side income and a hobby. Ten years ago I'd have said go all in on it.
    So much wisdom in this post. Money is great but I'll say from personal experience waking up in your mid thirties and being unemployable because you spent two decades playing cards is a real bitch. Being trapped in a dead end career and worse than that missing out on the college experience, banging coeds, making professional connections etc. is a regret I feel all the time. Stay in school, get a real job and enjoy poker as a hobby would be my best advice too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SharpAngles View Post
    So much wisdom in this post. Money is great but I'll say from personal experience waking up in your mid thirties and being unemployable because you spent two decades playing cards is a real bitch. Being trapped in a dead end career and worse than that missing out on the college experience, banging coeds, making professional connections etc. is a regret I feel all the time. Stay in school, get a real job and enjoy poker as a hobby would be my best advice too.
    The truth. I missed out on those experiences and then started a family before I could legally play in a casino/drink.

    While I had money younger my friends are all working their big corporate jobs making six figures and I'm now six years behind them and making half of what they are.

    Nobody is saying you can't/shouldn't grind. Some young kids waste time on video games. Instead of doing that focus on making money on the side with poker while working towards a real career.

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    bunch of dumbasses in this thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by RudyRuetigger View Post
    bunch of dumbasses in this thread
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    I can't even beat 25NL. FML

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inspirited View Post
    I can't even beat 25NL. FML
    Rake is brutal at 25NL and under. Bunch of bots and poor people that can live a good life off of $25 a day.

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