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Chucky, I was mentioning the tournaments at the Golden Nugget and Binions as being real good choices for most of the guys around here. The field will be much softer and still alot of fun if you make it real deep. Those events do allow reentry for around the first 6 levels are so
PO:
In comparing Rio vs Golden Nugget, I do think the GoldNugg was a little more casual. The GoldNugg clientele was a little more casual w/ more retirees. The Rio clientele was younger w/ a few standout dicks.
Yes, I think the GoldNugg is a good tournament. In talking to players, I know the GoldNugg tournament has a reputation of being a little soft.
FAir criticism. But I've seen Polk play tournaments w/ BigBlind Defense rate approaching 100%.Originally Posted by gkramerica
As much as I like Elky...he did have a very cold run on tournament results. So, yeah, maybe he goes broke there.
Need all the help I can get.
One of the name players (Moorman) wound up winning that 6max event:
http://www.wsop.com/tournaments/updates.asp
Been talking to Opti:
* Would be willing to play GoldenNugg 1pm on Sunday, if people want to.
I reviewed the big Polk/ Jacobson hand:
* I think Polk's move there is legitimate. He's doing that w/ a big made hand or a huge draw. He has 15 outs to topPair+.
* The announcers were critically of Jacobson's fold. As they watched, they thought he would decide on Call.
Feel like he was getting too good a price to Fold. Remember that Polk plays various holdings from Big Blind. This means that he could make different hands that the conventional player couldn't.
The only slightly better King Polk could have is KQ.
If Polk does happen to have a Set, Jacobson has a redraw to the Flush. At the Pot Odds offered, Jacobson would still be getting around 60-cents on the Dollar.
Polk defends all over the board, so he could have many 2-pair combinations. Jacobson has 14 outs to beat any 2-pair combination. So, he's actually getting fair-value vs 2-pair.
I see how the consensus is that he had to call here.
If u asked Polk about what hand he was trying to get Jacobson to lay down...
* I think Polk would say he was trying to get him to lay down a "naked" King.
Polk held an Ace, so Jacobson is less likely to have AK. I think Polk was trying to get him to lay down a KJ (offsuit) type hand. If Polk knew he had the flush re-draw, I just don't think he could have imagined Jacobson folding.
Sticking w/ this plan, barring any late change in plan. So, my schedule for next two days:
Sunday 6/18: Rio2pm, I want to take one more crack at this tournament.
...If I run good, I'll be tied up rest of day.
...If any SBR guys are getting together later in day, Opti can let me know and I'll try to make it.
Monday 6/19:
* Will be eating lunch at Binion's cafe (close to Sportsbook). Will buy a hamburger for anyone who wants one. Note: I'll be guy wearing a Seahawks cap.
* Walk over to play Golden Nugget tourney, 1pm.
Busted out in 190th place. 172 paid. Out on $$ bubble.
Can go thru some hand histories, unless people have tired of them.
Keep it up chucky!
OK, dog, I'll give the re-cap of Monday key hands. This crap can get a little monotonous.
Again, I'm treating it as a learning experience. And I'm certainly not above constructive criticism.
I still think about the KK vs JJ hand I referenced:
* I still have to think there was a way for me to cut my losses.
One observation I have re: the mid-level tournament players. There is a strong mindset of attaching pre-flop starting hand strength to post-flop hand-strength. They know they'll be getting AA or KK once every 100 hands (roughly)...so they'd sooner give up a kidney (than that hand).
I think that was PART of my problem on that hand. As I've referenced a few times, players OVERBET JJ maybe more than any other hand. They really don't want to see a flop. I'm telling u...when I saw 6x pre-flop bet, with every bone in my body, I thought he had JJ.
When the flop comes J-hi...there's a part of u that says "He didn't really hit a 2-outer, did he?" Well, he did.
And that was part of my problem. Best way to view poker is to think of it as an evaluation on each subsequent street.
Did pick up AA a few times early in round:
* 1st time, mid-pos raiser, he gets one call. I'm in BigBlind, I re-raise to triple the value. Original raiser folds. Caller (very loose player) re-calls. I bet a Q-hi flop, he folds.
BTW, that original raiser says to me "I think I've played with u b4. You look familiar." I tell him that some people think I look like Jamie Gold. "Not every day you get to play w/ a World Champ." He says "That's it!"
2nd time, I pick up AA. Blinds 150/300. I raise from UTG to 725. I've gotten comfortable w/ 2.4x sizing, and I refuse to give off bet-sizing tells.
This winds up being a dubious hand. SAme "PF-raiser" from before throws out 3 chips, totalling 1025. I think he was just trying to make change to match 725. Dealer says "that's a raise."
Back to me...I ask him "What are my options?" He says "You have all options." I re-raise to 2500.
After all this, there's now some scuttlebutt from players not even in the the hand. "Hey, his bet size wasn't big enough for a raise."
Floor gets called over. Ex-post facto ruling is that his action was just a Call. My re-raise is reverted, we go to Flop.
I bet, he folds and shows 88. I show the AA, just to clear up confusion on the hand. I think he would have called my re-raise, so I miss out on 1800 more chips. More importantly, my hand was really face-up after the ruling and I don't get any more chips. Feel like I got jobbed here...oh well.
I do pick up AK, raise and make TPTK. Bet and get 2 folds. One comment re: these tournaments:
* In the intermediate stages, after the blinds have gone up a little, the post-flop action is really minimal.
The caller is really in a tricky spot. It's like they have to flop a set or fold, b/c stack sizes are so short.
I raise w/ Q8(h) on button. Get called by BB. Low-flop, 344. I can't bet here. I'm repping nothing and get beat by Ace-hi. Check/check 3streets. She shows KJ for win.
I raise w/ Q9 (suited). Hit top pair on 2-club board. Bet and get fold.
I mention the post-flop action above. This is so tricky. It's really like u have to bet < 1/3 pot to induce a call.
Go to new table, I'm at 23BB. 14k stack, w/ 300/600 Blinds. At this blind level, I'm going to come into pot for 10% of my stack.
Pick up black KK utg, open for 1400. Get 2 callers.
Flop is Ten-hi w/ 2 spades. I have Overpair w/ Back-door flush draw.
Strangely, BB bets (small) into me. I'm happy w/ betting this at a snail's pace. If I'm beat, I'm beat. Too late to back out now. Only real scare card for me would be non-spade Ace. I call, and 3rd player calls.
Turn is a Jack (spades). BigBlind slows down, checks to me. I bet 1/4-stack. 25% rule, anything more than that makes u pot-committed.
I get re-raise behind, effectively putting me all-in. BigBlind folds. If I'm somehow behind to 2pair+, I still have re-draw to 11 outs that make a big hand. 2 Kings and 9 spades. I call. He has naked AJ for TPTK. River is brick. I virtually triple-up (2.5x).
Player raises UTG, I have A5(hearts). At any other position, I likely call this. UTG, tho, it's too likely that I'm up against a dominating Ace. A5-suited is a great hand that grades out very well on the +EV chart. Can make a wheel or nut-flush. Much better than A6 or A7. Disguised hand, too. I fold UTG+1.
I would have flopped HUGE. Would have had 2-pair w/ backdoor nut-flush draw.
Another observation re: these mid-level tournaments. How do u respond to limpers?
I'm used to absorbing + deflecting Aggression. Limpers make it tricky. I hate limped pots. I say this b/c the limper's hand is often stronger than u can imagine. So many times this week I've seen AQ show up in a limped pot. They'll limp it and then not fold it.
Pretty bad player limps in early position. What does he have?
I'm in Hijack w/ A9 (spades). If I was one position to left, I'd raise there. Not sure what to do w/ the limp...I fold.
Flop is...AA9. Ugh...would have flopped a boat.
I raise UTG w/ QJ(s). I know people will oppose this open. But I think you have to open a variety of holdings to keep your opponent off-guard. Suited broadway cards are no joke. A lot of ways to win the hand. Get called from Late position.
I love the flop. Ten-hi w/ two hearts. I bet 750 into 1100 on wet-board. 1/4 of my stack.
If opponent goes all-in, I'm calling w/ 15 outs to topPair+. If he calls, it's hard to think of a turn card that I won't be going all-in with. Only card that might scare me off might be a Ten, which could give opponent trips.
If the Turn is a heart, I have a flush.
If the Turn is a Q or J, I have top-pair.
If the Turn is a King, I have 15 outs to the Nuts. And I'm "supposed" to have the better King, right?
If the Turn is an Ace, I have 12 outs to the Nuts. And I'm "supposed" to have the better Ace, right?
Opponent folds on Flop. But I was fully prepared to play for Stacks there.
I'm at 12 BB utg. I pick up AA. Sadly, I think I'm too short-stacked to min-raise. I go all-in, hoping for action.
A few ponder, but it folds around. If I was just a little deeper, I would have min-raised.
Getting very late, 220 players left. Into bingo-session.
I've mentioned above that some of the best situations to ponder are Raiser vs Big Blind. When u add up the dead$$ from Antes, SmallBlind, and BigBlind $$ committed, you're often catching favorable calling odds in Big Blind.
My recommendation would be to consider the raise and ponder his expected hand strength. 4BB all-in from mid-pos. I'm in BB w/ K9(o). I mentally calculate the calling odds. Getting +170. I call w/ reasonable hand. I totally got it right. I'm ahead, he has JT(o). But he flops 2pair, and I lose.
I'm in similar situation on next orbit. Mid-pos raiser goes all-in for 6BB.
I'm holding A3(o) and staring at +190 calling odds. I know this looks like a call w/ "anyAce." But I fold.
Ace-rag is a rat-bastard hand. Concept of domination in play. When cards go face-up, feel like I'll just be rooting for a chop.
I play one hand that u can't lose:
I'm at 12BB. 4BB all-in from Early pos. I treat this as not a genuine bet. He could be doing that w/ any Ax hand. Plus, he's too short to bust me. I shove over top w/ AQ(suited).
He has...same hand. AQ (offsuit). Probable chop, but I have better re-draw. Board runs out 4th heart on river...and HE makes his flush. Ugh.
The two key losses cripple my stack. $$bubble approaching, I'm very short. I make it thru the Blinds w/o any reasonable holding.
At < 3BB, I shove UTG w/ JT(suited). Call and re-raise behind. BigBlind calls the re-raise, and caller re-calls.
Flop is all-clubs, T87. I have top-pair w/ gutshot. Flop is checked around.
Turn is a low brick. Checked around again. I have shot here, if I can dodge a club.
River is a low-club. Again, no betting. Hands to showdown. BigBlind somehow called 2 raises w/ 24(offsuit). He wins pot w/ 2(clubs), making baby-flush.
Last edited by ChuckyTheGoat; 06-19-17 at 11:00 AM.
* On QJ(h) hand, Q-hi flush technically wouldn't be the Nuts. But pretty close.
Busted out of GoldNugg tourney. 60th of 273. 36 paid.
Par for course, not too many memorable hands. I did revenge on KK vs JJ in a huge all-in.
I was happy w/ the tourneys. Was fun + educational.
Thanks for all of the updates Chucky, too bad you left before the rest of us arrived!
Did want to post one key hand from GoldNugg tourney:
* Aggro player raises 3.5x from Late position. He had been staggering his bet size, so I take this as a Premium hand (or very close to it).
I'm in BigBlind holding AQ(hearts). I know that I'm strong as fuk here in BigBlind, but just call. He can't expect me to be this strong here.
Flop comes Ace-hi w/ 2 small hearts. I flop the world. Top Pair (Queen kicker), w/ Nut-flush draw.
Raiser bets 5.0, almost pot-size on Flop. Here's where I think I played it wrong. I smashed the board so hard. I should have let him hang himself. He has about 16.0 stack behind. With such a strong flop, I raise and put him All-in. He folds.
I know the trend is for players to go All-in on Big Flops. I regret that I didn't play this hand differently. On the flop, the only reasonable holding that I'm behind is AK. But I have an Ace and there is an Ace on the board. Based on displacement, that tells me he's more likely to hold a big pocket-pair (like KK, QQ, or JJ) that whiffed on the flop. He's trying to get me to lay down my hand.
If I just CALL the flop, I think I can rep a "naked" flush draw. He has just a pot-sized bet behind, so I think he stacks off on Turn if card is a Non-Heart. By going All-in, I revealed the strength of my hand too early.
If I call the flop and he slows down on Turn, I should be able to collect a token small bet on River. Or I could even go for a bigger bet on a "busted flush draw."
Thx, Dog. Hope I wasn't too long-winded. Like I said, just reporting what I saw, good or bad. Posting my thoughts + breaking down the hands the way my (amateur) mind viewed it.
My schedule just wasn't great this week. Front-ended, I had to depart. Would be happy to meet up in Vegas some time in future.
Have a great trip, Dog!
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Re: AQ hand, reference back to some of previous posts.
Once the early rounds run out, the intermediate rounds are closer to "turbo" poker. We're not in bingo-session, but there are only 1 or 2 moves to be made. Most players are TERRIFIED of post-flop play. Much easier to evaluate odds pre-flop than post-flop.
So often, I saw players just SHOVE if they caught a favorable flop. Take your hand to value-town over 3 streets? Screw that, all-in. Just my perception, I think there were a lot of post-flop errors.
Best situation is for you to offer your opponent odds at an INAPPROPRIATE PRICE.
Back home. Enjoyed my trip. As I've detailed, wish I would have played at least a few hands differently.
I'd say that my Tournament track-record is that I USUALLY can make the final 1/3. In late stages, you have to get a little lucky.
One thing that sticks in my mind is how transparent opponents are with their bet-sizing. Big-bet = big-hand. Normally, don't have to think about it much deeper than that. Could be a bluff, but not too often.
When facing major aggression, Fold should be your default play. Until u have a reason to do otherwise.
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