[Grivas_Digeni]

I'm not asking for freeroll or more poker points from SBR.

But can we please get a weekly tournament in addition to beat the prick?

Here are some possibilities, and I can commit to playing at least 3 weekends per month if a new tournament is added to the schedule.
a) freezout, buy-in of 200 to 500 points
- low vig (10 or 15 pts) is essential
- possibly a guaranteed prize pool for the first 3-4 weeks to establish participation?

b) rebuy, buy-in of 50 to 200 points
- if it's a real rebuy, please make sure rebuying actually works and players are not kicked out because of a bug

c) winner-take-all tournament, buy in of ??
- pay winner only, or pay 10% or less of the field, the way it works in real life tournaments

d) bounty tournament
- buy-in would be something like 100+100+10 where 10 is vig, 100 goes to regular payouts and 100 is collected by whoever eliminates each player from the tournament
- this could be made very popular if SBR employees (Ivy? Sam?) started to make appearances and I would personally love to finally beat the prick and shut his piehole lol

Some ideas to make sure people actually participate:
- let players use poker points to buy in, without the need to roll over first
- charge vig on every tournament but make it low at least in the beginning
- make automatic announcements like they do on pokerstars something like 'a Freezout Tournament with 200+15 bet points buy-in begins in 60 minutes, then 20 minutes, then 5 minutes. This should be broadcasted to each active cash table and tournament table. If this new tournament is scheduled 1-2 hours after beat the prick on saturday I'm sure many more people would know it exists and come play it as well.

If this is possible at all I'd like to ask someone at SBR to attach a poll to this topic. I want to have more chances to practice for the Grand Finale and dailies are just not enough.

[daneblazer]

There use to be a high roller tournament, which was fun. Tough to get more than 15 players at times but it always ran.

dont get too complicated

[Triple_D_Bet]

A lot of fun suggestions grivas, but there's a big problem: the current player base is mostly people who won't play anything but freerolls or near-freerolls. The number of players who would be willing to shell out larger amounts of points can probably be estimated from participation in the previous high roller tourneys; based on that, you're talking 20-30 people tops, and probably fewer if you're talking more than once a week, far fewer if the overlay isn't as large.

Maintaining a player base not only willing but able to play non-freerolls will be challenging; unlike real poker, most of the members here can't buy the currency needed to play. US players only get 12-13 a day, and that's going to keep most from making entering these tourneys routinely, minus a large overlay (although even with large overlays, previous tournaments weren't terribly popular).

Using poker points to buy into the tourneys would probably kill the mostly-dead cash games....probably not a good idea.

If you're looking to practice for the contest-ending tournament, you wont be able to do it here. The format is significantly different, and none of the tournaments you proposed will be much use. You'd be better off going to a real poker site and playing a 100-entry tourney.

[Grivas_Digeni]

Using poker points to buy into the tourneys would probably kill the mostly-dead cash games....probably not a good idea.

Are you sure SBR has a goal of keeping cash games active?

If yes why is flipping condoned. If no why not allow poker tournament buy-in with the unrolled points. This is no easy way to roll over as you actually have to be quite good to get to a payout. If payouts are 10% or fewer that is.

It's a nice option to have?

[SharpAngles]

Bring back the hiroller! But please make it a reasonable time unlike 9am for Beat the Prick. Last thing I want to do after a night of grinding friday payday poker is wake up early. Poker tourneys before noon should be outlawed and would 3pm be so bad for the EST people?

[Triple_D_Bet]

Are you sure SBR has a goal of keeping cash games active?

If yes why is flipping condoned. If no why not allow poker tournament buy-in with the unrolled points. This is no easy way to roll over as you actually have to be quite good to get to a payout. If payouts are 10% or fewer that is.

It's a nice option to have?

I'm not really sure what SBR's goals are, but assuming they want to encourage general poker participation, cash games are important because they add variety and flexibility. Flipping is tolerated because it's not widespread and/or apathy maybe?

Rollover requirements could be format-neutral if the requirement was based on the amount needed to rake back the amount to be rolled over, like with most poker bonuses. The much-lower 3x requirement is probably in place specifically to motivate people to take them to cash games; otherwise, why require them to be rolled over at all?

Eventually people would have to go to cash games to rollover anyways; buying into tourneys with rollover points would simply generate winnings that needed to be rolled over, and you'd never be able to do so without heading to the cash games. If SBR wished to incentivize these extra tournaments, they could award regular points for prizes and allow buyin with rollover...it would probably be popular way of rolling them over, but to the detriment of the cash games.

It's always preferred to have options, but you have to consider that we have a limited player base; more options with the same number of players just means less participation in each option, or (more likely) players gravitating to the options that are a better deal and ignoring the ones that aren't. We saw this with the previous weekend tournaments; despite them having a large overlay, the slightly higher buyin kept out the majority of people who played daily. The weekend timing might have been a factor too, but it seems unlikely when the BTP freerolls can drum up close to 100 people. Try making tournaments pay out like an actual poker tournament (top 10%), and vast majority will stay away completely.

More options are good, but doesn't do much good if your player base is highly unlikely to respond to them.

[bobbywaves]

why is flipping condoned.

Flipping is condoned, as SBR is still getting their rake. Why should flipping be banned?

[Grivas_Digeni]

If SBR wished to incentivize these extra tournaments, they could award regular points for prizes and allow buyin with rollover...it would probably be popular way of rolling them over, but to the detriment of the cash games.

I'd love this. Never was much of a cash game player and would rather only do tournaments if given this option

[Grivas_Digeni]

Flipping is condoned, as SBR is still getting their rake. Why should flipping be banned?

Is one dollar more than ten cents?

[Triple_D_Bet]

Flipping is condoned, as SBR is still getting their rake. Why should flipping be banned?

See what I mean grivas?

I'd love this. Never was much of a cash game player and would rather only do tournaments if given this option

Understandably, most have a preference....but many prefer cash games too, and it's safe to say any community looking to grow should offer both. Whether growth is possible when buyin is limited (unable to buy points) is another matter.

[bobbywaves]

Good ideas Grivas, but I probably wouldn't play much if it happened. Weekends I'm watching my football investments & flipping rolls on Omaha H/L.

[bobbywaves]

Is one dollar more than ten cents?

Last time I checked.

[bobbywaves]

Is one dollar more than ten cents?

Is hours grinding rolls in cash games longer than minutes flipping? Successful people value their time, as time is money.

[SharpAngles]

Is hours grinding rolls in cash games longer than minutes flipping? Successful people value their time, as time is money.

Flipping is cowardly and shouldn't be tolerated. If you actually played poker your potential for points is greater anyways so who's not properly valuing time? For every RO I lose I roll the next at least 2x the face value, but then again, I'm capable of playing some poker so ymmv. I guess if someone's not capable flipping is the only choice?

[Triple_D_Bet]

Good ideas Grivas, but I probably wouldn't play much if it happened. Weekends I'm watching my football investments & flipping rolls on Omaha H/L.

Grivas, Bobbo's a good example of the type of casual player I'm talking about; he'll make time for freerolls, but not for anything more than a trivial buyin. Nothing wrong with that really; players who are unlikely to cash in competitive formats are wise to stay away from them, but without them there's not many players left.

Is hours grinding rolls in cash games longer than minutes flipping? Successful people value their time, as time is money.

You being wrong aside, that's not what he's saying...it's one of those poker concepts you're not familiar with. And when you're unemployed, isn't your time not worth any money by definition?

[Triple_D_Bet]

Flipping is cowardly and shouldn't be tolerated. If you actually played poker your potential for points is greater anyways so who's not properly valuing time? For every RO I lose I roll the next at least 2x the face value, but then again, I'm capable of playing some poker so ymmv. I guess if someone's not capable flipping is the only choice?

Flipping should probably not be tolerated given it's a work-around for what SBR is presumably trying to incentivize...but yes, flipping is the only option for those who can't hack it in actual poker.

[Grivas_Digeni]

i just meant there isn't nearly as much rake collected during flipping compared to a real game because of rake cap

[bobbywaves]

Flipping is cowardly and shouldn't be tolerated. If you actually played poker your potential for points is greater anyways so who's not properly valuing time? For every RO I lose I roll the next at least 2x the face value, but then again, I'm capable of playing some poker so ymmv. I guess if someone's not capable flipping is the only choice?

I wouldn't expect you to understand, as only those with a clue flip. If I don't "actually play poker," then how did I accumulate my rolls? I'm obviously more capable of playing poker than you, as multiple leaderboards clearly suggests:

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/poker/

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...-a.html?slf=36

Until you can pass me on any of these boards, I suggest you work on your poker game. Not to mention our ROI's, your 255% compared to my 736%. Easy to see who's completing a higher % of rolls & who's profiting more off rolls.

[bobbywaves]

i just meant there isn't nearly as much rake collected during flipping compared to a real game because of rake cap

Yep, knew exactly what you meant & answered accordingly. You have to forgive Tripe though, as he's a little slow.

[SharpAngles]

Lol ohmy being called out by waves? Funny you take offense because I wasn't specifically talking about you but I guess if the shoe fits eh? I'll compare REAL $$$ amounts any time waves, because that's how you measure poker results. Come find me at the Bike and I'll teach you a thing or ten. Or whenever you feel like a SBR cash game challenge sit on down buddy.

Also so since you bring up the current challenge...

14 bobbywaves 3050 22 Average score:138

27 SharpAngles 2425 10 Average score:242

Wow you're really schooling me Mr. mincash I miss the good old days of buyins too because then I could compare my 2-3 tourneys a week to your pathetic everyday adventures in min cashing.

[daneblazer]

Leave for 8 months come back and waves, tripleD and autodonk are still going at it. Some things never change

[Jedi Mind Picks]

Leave for 8 months come back and waves, tripleD and autodonk are still going at it. Some things never change

[bobbywaves]

Lol ohmy being called out by waves? Funny you take offense because I wasn't specifically talking about you but I guess if the shoe fits eh? I'll compare REAL $$$ amounts any time waves, because that's how you measure poker results. Come find me at the Bike and I'll teach you a thing or ten. Or whenever you feel like a SBR cash game challenge sit on down buddy.

Also so since you bring up the current challenge...

14 bobbywaves 3050 22 Average score:138

27 SharpAngles 2425 10 Average score:242

Wow you're really schooling me Mr. mincash I miss the good old days of buyins too because then I could compare my 2-3 tourneys a week to your pathetic everyday adventures in min cashing.

You stated flipping was "cowardly & for people not capable of playing poker," why wouldn't I take offense? I do both, play poker & flip rolls. And my results doing both are proven to be greater than yours, this is factual & not speculation.

Congrats on having a higher average score & a lower total score, too bad Waves is cashing more than twice as often as you. Yeah I'll be sure to take a flight to the Bike just to play you, let me know when you fly to Borgata as well. More realistically, you can prove your poker skills by wagering in current promo.

[Grivas_Digeni]

Is hours grinding rolls in cash games longer than minutes flipping? Successful people value their time, as time is money.

is this how you approach capping your football investments? trying to cut corners at every opportunity seldom works in real life or real poker

not trying to be a smartass here as I'm not very good at any kind of capping unlike poker

[bobbywaves]

is this how you approach capping your football investments? trying to cut corners at every opportunity seldom works in real life or real poker

To an extent & it's been working for me. Not sure what corners I'm cutting. Like flipping, I find what works with capping & stick with it. I crunch numbers/trends & I'm a successful capper, posted multiple screenshots of bets/balances.

Not doing bad in Prick contest, 87th place hitting at a 65% clip: http://contests.sportsbookreview.com...412/standings/

[SharpAngles]

You stated flipping was "cowardly & for people not capable of playing poker," why wouldn't I take offense? I do both, play poker & flip rolls. And my results doing both are proven to be greater than yours, this is factual & not speculation.

Congrats on having a higher average score & a lower total score, too bad Waves is cashing more than twice as often as you.

Cashing more than twice as often for less points each time. You're losing the "valuable time" argument pal. Also conveniently leaving out the fact you play every day while I'm at 60% of that.

Yeah I'll be sure to take a flight to the Bike just to play you, let me know when you fly to Borgata as well. More realistically, you can prove your poker skills by wagering in current promo.

LOL where I'm from you prove poker skills by playing poker, so how about this? I'm playing the middle tourney today so I'll sit at the 2/4 table with 150 BB and you can take a shot since you're so good at getting top 12s in the daily turbo's pal. GL bob

[bobbywaves]

Cashing more than twice as often for less points each time. You're losing the "valuable time" argument pal. Also conveniently leaving out the fact you play every day while I'm at 60% of that.

Until you pass me on either leader board, you're losing the "capable of playing poker" argument pal. No way to verify how much you have played. Even if 60% were true you naively think that means you would have cashed in the 40% you missed, especially given your low rate of cashes is laughable. Same argument as Tripe & Donkey & just as ignorant.

LOL where I'm from you prove poker skills by playing poker, so how about this? I'm playing the middle tourney today so I'll sit at the 2/4 table with 150 BB and you can take a shot since you're so good at getting top 12s in the daily turbo's pal. GL bob

If I wanted to play heads up bingo, I would be on the cash games doing that. People with a clue flip clearing 95% of rolls. My poker skills have been proven annually, via tournament leader boards. If you care to wager on current promo, you be sure to let me know.

[SharpAngles]

waves I'm sitting 100BB deep at 3/6 since there's actually a game running on 2/4. Until you man up and play someone nobody GAF what nonsense you spew about "yearly results" when you know damn well you're the only one playing every day all fkn year.

[SharpAngles]

LOL you paying these two to sit and dodge me orwhat waves. I'm back at 2/4 max buyin

[Auto Donk]

I wouldn't expect you to understand, as only those with a clue flip. If I don't "actually play poker," then how did I accumulate my rolls? I'm obviously more capable of playing poker than you, as multiple leaderboards clearly suggests:

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/poker/

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...-a.html?slf=36

Until you can pass me on any of these boards, I suggest you work on your poker game. Not to mention our ROI's, your 255% compared to my 736%. Easy to see who's completing a higher % of rolls & who's profiting more off rolls.

funny how this sorry fuk waves hadn't done his "cut n paste" of the yearly leader board all fukkin' year til now....

sorry scam artist lucks out in back to back trny's and FINALLY, AFTER 9 2/3 MONTHS OF BEING ABSENT FROM IT, actually appears on it, and now he's cut and pasting it in every f'n thread on the poker forum, and even in within most threads, the dumb punkass kahkmaster is posting it in every other message he puts up!!!!!!!

we get it wwaves, after 9 2/3 months of complete and utter futility, you finally have arrived thanks to the good graces of sbr poker letting you run deep via a variety of total f'n suckouts, repeatedly, back to back to back to back to back, most of which you were a 20-80 dog goin in, and many others in which you had a less than five percent chance after the flop, YET SOME HOW EITHER SPIKED YOUR CARD OR HIT RUNNER RUNNER TO TOTALLY SUCKOUT.

so now you are here, and have to tell everyone about 30 times per day, and post the yearly leader board at least 15 times per day.........

total douchebag behavior....

but, to be expected from a total douchebag.....

ps, still waiting on your approval to post screen shots of the evidence of your scamming pathetic ways and RICO VIOLATIONS

[bobbywaves]

waves I'm sitting 100BB deep at 3/6 since there's actually a game running on 2/4. Until you man up and play someone nobody GAF what nonsense you spew about "yearly results" when you know damn well you're the only one playing every day all fkn year.

If I wanted to play heads up bingo, I would be on the cash games doing that. Until you pass me on any leaderboard or man up & accept a current promo challenge, I don't GAF what nonsense you spew.

[bobbywaves]

How's my ass taste Donkey? You can dish it out when winning, but obviously Waves has hit a nerve & the pussy can't take it.

[SharpAngles]

Dealer: SharpAngles has joined the table.
Dealer: Waiting for more players...

Sat like this for 40 minutes bobbywaves you weasel (I add that so you know 100% I'm addressing you this time)

100% love that you won't play 100+BB "heads up bingo" but profess your ultimate skill at <10BB flipfest freeroll tourneys prove you can touch me playing ANY form of cards ,but then again I think you've made it painfully obvious you lack basic logic so good luck with that...

I have some stuff to wrap up before 4 but will sit again during the tourney. If you don't show keep my quotes out of your fkn posts, thanks

[Auto Donk]

look in the mirror waves, as far as how your ass tastes.... you kiss whores who eat it

notice yet another thread where u cut and paste the leader board, now that you finally made it after 9 2/3 months of futility........

better enjoy it while you can, wussy, as unless sbr lets u suckout 15 straight more times, you'll be off it by the middle of next month, if not sooner

ps, pussy, I notice you ducked and dodged in typical wussywaves fashion my request for permission to post screenshots of your crimes.......

no surprise there, you f'n fahgit!

[SharpAngles]

And Donker,

I too noticed somebody got a bigGER head thanks to a little rungood lately. Funny how that works, I've been top 30 for weeks but this stain wants to call me out and not even back it up?