[SharpAngles]

Final 9 of 60, small $35 morning rebuy tourney at my local honeyhole. 9 is the bubble. Soccer Mom Villain, who actually knew her poker and played well before this IMO, loses her shit on me after I just rivered her with KQclubs.

1000/2000/200 9 handed

SMV- 26000 or so - Middle position - raises to 5000

Hero- 48,700 - Button - calls 5000 with KcQc

the rest fold

Flop - Jc 10h 5c

SMV bets 7000 into about 15k

Hero calls 7000

Turn - 7d

SMV checks

Hero checks

River - Ac

SMV pushes

I call

Does anyone even think of folding the flop here? Seemed super standard to me but half the table disagreed and wouldn't shut up about it. With my stack I'm calling up to pot if I don't push it. Can't imagine a fold unless it was the biggest nut peddler in the room and SMV wasn't.

Then, she won't leave for probably 10 minutes telling me how bad I play, how her kids will be very upset and that she was planning on check raising me on the turn but I'm to dumb to bet. Like it wasn't sweet enough i rivered her, I mean this is gold. I live for this haha.

Best part comes half way through her tirade and complaining, when the big stack with around 70k overhears me tell the guy next to me I was the favorite on the flop. He instacalls by offering a buy in that I wasn't. I obviously know this guys on the hook, so I hollywood a little and end up getting him to 3 buyins plus letting him use a neutral phone because he feared some kind of weird set-up Obviously, I pocketed the 105, to go along with a sad 7th for a couple hundo more after 2 run ins with AA and QQ that I couldn't fade.

[JAKEPEAVY21]

never folding that flop you are the favorite over almost every hand

[IlluminatedOne]

In my opinion that was a solid call, of course your going to get hated on that's part of the game.

[Kaabee]

100% no-brainer insta-call.

[daneblazer]

What was she going to check raise you with? 14k with a pot of 30k? What terrible reasoning

Don't think shoving is the worst thing either...but prob just folding out ak aq there

[thechaoz]

If you fold quit poker

[jtoler]

Did you ever state what SMV had?

[SharpAngles]

I like to get some non results oriented opinions, but she had red Kings. Actually sitting at the same table as her again today and she apologized and said it's the third time in a week she's bubbled and she lost her cool. Lets see if I can knock her out again.

[Auto Donk]

I like to get some non results oriented opinions, but she had red Kings. Actually sitting at the same table as her again today and she apologized and said it's the third time in a week she's bubbled and she lost her cool. Lets see if I can knock her out again.

no fold, good play..... she blew it on turn.... ur call on flop means ur on the draw or flopped a set; and like Lederer once told me, if you're afraid of sets, you need to give up the game..... she shoulda put the screws on you at the turn if she didn't want you to suckout; giving you a free card was her idiotic play. good luck...

[downsouth]

I'd raise the flop and hope she lets me get them all in at that point.

Even giving you the free card on the turn was poor if she was going to push on the Ace/nut on the river.

So to answer your questions your not jack hammering that hand out of my possesion after the flop.

[jtoler]

Wasnt being results oriented, but it helps to know why she blew up at you.

[Fire in da hole]

I think you should have raised her all in on the flop and put the pressure on her, but as far as calling the 7k bet, no way in hell would I fold.

[konck]

Stupid thread lol only sbr fakes can comment on poker 101 lol

[Ian]

You made a mistake on the flop by not shoving, but while calling is a mistake folding is truly horrendous. As played on the flop you made the right play on the turn by taking a free card.

Just my opinion...

[SharpAngles]

Stupid thread lol only sbr fakes can comment on poker 101 lol

Ok? Sorry, I must've forgotten this forum is for flaming and complaining only. How dare people discuss poker hands and share stories from casinos.

And as for pushing the flop, that's too aggro for me with these stack sizes. Rather peel and evaluate turn than make a push that's only being called if I'm behind at the moment and will leave me with 10 big blinds or so if I lose. I feel like my opponents have more opportunities to make a bad decision with my line.

[boscokid]

Ok? Sorry, I must've forgotten this forum is for flaming and complaining only. How dare people discuss poker hands and share stories from casinos.

And as for pushing the flop, that's too aggro for me with these stack sizes. Rather peel and evaluate turn than make a push that's only being called if I'm behind at the moment and will leave me with 10 big blinds or so if I lose. I feel like my opponents have more opportunities to make a bad decision with my line.

I laughed b/c you try so hard to sound educated about poker but this tells me everything i need to know to beat you

overhears me tell the guy next to me I was the favorite on the flop.

[Triple_D_Bet]

Ok? Sorry, I must've forgotten this forum is for flaming and complaining only. How dare people discuss poker hands and share stories from casinos.

And as for pushing the flop, that's too aggro for me with these stack sizes. Rather peel and evaluate turn than make a push that's only being called if I'm behind at the moment and will leave me with 10 big blinds or so if I lose. I feel like my opponents have more opportunities to make a bad decision with my line.

Don't mind konker, he's a bit off his rocker. Regarding hand, flop shove is best...just calling gives her opportunities to bluff, but it only matters if she bluffs AND you hit to call it. Flop shove can get best-on-flop but weaker hands (Jx, Tx, low pp) out of there and give you a nice chunk of chips. Pushing on turn when you don't hit gives less chances for her to make a mistake and fold.

Doubt she was going anywhere if you did shove flop, but at least her plan to check raise turn is comical

[SharpAngles]

I laughed b/c you try so hard to sound educated about poker but this tells me everything i need to know to beat you

I prefer not to push every 54% flop like most here seem to, but I'm not telling anyone they're wrong. You seem smart, please come educate me.

[daneblazer]

If you don't push the flop...What's your plan if you call the flop, the board bricks, and she shoves like the vast majority of players would with AA or KK there?

[SharpAngles]

I tell her nice hand and fold if she pushes turn. I get what you guys are saying about a flop push, but when you are the best player at the table why do you need to push such a small edge? Her play, and my holding a K and Q caused me to put her on AA or even a 1010 or JJ that is not folding. I'm not afraid to play post flop so I peeled a turn and gave her an opportunity to make a mistake. If I'm not feeling that I can outplay everyone at the table then I'm more likely to put it in and gamble.

[daneblazer]

She's offering you the same odds to call on the turn as she did on the flop. Several cards that make your hand could possible kill the action. You're still at 22k if you lose. You can't just put her on AA JJ TT...

[BigDaddy]

why argue with them? keep making those great plays and let them keep thinking it was dumb.

this is not even a question worth asking imo

congrats though

[SharpAngles]

I agree that it's pretty basic BD, but for some reason I follow this forum and thought it could use some actual poker discussion. Plus I really enjoyed her telling me about how upset her kids will be and thought some of the other live grinders here, if there are any I'm not really sure, would appreciate the story.

And I agree with you for the most part Dane, nothing wrong with your line, but disagree on her range. It's impossible to relay every dynamic at the table when describing a hand, but this chick was playing solid and was not betting that flop light. I felt a push would only scare away the pairs or flush draws I'm really dominating and be called by hands I need to catch a card to beat. I like taking advantage of my 80/20 edges not my 54/46 against an over pair or 40/60 to a set

[Triple_D_Bet]

[Auto Donk]

If you don't push the flop...What's your plan if you call the flop, the board bricks, and she shoves like the vast majority of players would with AA or KK there?

pretty easy plan............. FOLD............

[Auto Donk]

in response to S.A.'s last post....(f'n s bullshit r's "reply with quote isn't working):

very sound reasoning..... pushing when knowing youre behind and need to catch a card against a player who u know isn't going to fold is just pure idiotic if you know you can outplay said player......

[daneblazer]

Just to summarize...

call on the flop with the same odds we get on the turn, but fold the turn because we know we're behind on the flop...but we know we're ahead on the flop so we make a side bet and take some guys extra buy ins...but we don't shove because we're behind in the hand and we are certain we can outplay the table in a high variance type structure. Yes I'm confused too

[Auto Donk]

I agree that it's pretty basic BD, but for some reason I follow this forum and thought it could use some actual poker discussion. Plus I really enjoyed her telling me about how upset her kids will be and thought some of the other live grinders here, if there are any I'm not really sure, would appreciate the story.

And I agree with you for the most part Dane, nothing wrong with your line, but disagree on her range. It's impossible to relay every dynamic at the table when describing a hand, but this chick was playing solid and was not betting that flop light. I felt a push would only scare away the pairs or flush draws I'm really dominating and be called by hands I need to catch a card to beat. I like taking advantage of my 80/20 edges not my 54/46 against an over pair or 40/60 to a set

and I do enjoy the personal strife of the plyer u felted...... shoulda said "If your kid's dinner is on the line, you shouldn't be here....."

that element reminded me of when I felted a kind of "off-kilter" decorated WWII veteran at L'Berge in a 2-5 game, who called my river shove after stating "I think you missed your draw," only to see I'd turned the damn straight....... I could see the pain and anguish in his almost tear filled eyes as he shipped money I could tell he really couldn't afford to lose....... One of the few times I ALMOST felt bad about winning a big hand........

[daneblazer]

Keep posting hands. It's nice to read something other than a bad beat thread

[SharpAngles]

Just to summarize...

call on the flop with the same odds we get on the turn, but fold the turn because we know we're behind on the flop...but we know we're ahead on the flop so we make a side bet and take some guys extra buy ins...but we don't shove because we're behind in the hand and we are certain we can outplay the table in a high variance type structure. Yes I'm confused too

reread the OP. I made that side bet 2 hands after the one in question while soccer mom was berating me from the empty table next to us. I didn't know she had kings until calling her river push. And in your above scenario I still wouldn't push because, like in real life, I was a small fav and dont like to push the small edges.

Will post any semi interesting hands but 95% of what I see is just bad poker and bad beats. Played a $65 bounty today but didn't play or see one hand I would call interesting. More like donktastic.

[SharpAngles]

and I do enjoy the personal strife of the plyer u felted...... shoulda said "If your kid's dinner is on the line, you shouldn't be here....."

One guy did give her some grief but that's none of my business. My fav bad mom story was way back in the day at commerce casino. Lady sits down at a 2-3 NL table and donks off about a grand over the course of an hour. After getting felted for the last time gets up and says "oh well. My kids are waiting in the car and it is pretty hot out there."

[milwaukee mike]

I prefer not to push every 54% flop like most here seem to, but I'm not telling anyone they're wrong. You seem smart, please come educate me.

i disagree about the shoving. more than one way to skin a cat i guess, but in this case i think you should raise all-in on flop
1) how do you know you're 54%? yes she could have kk/aa but she could easily have aj/ak/99/88 where you're 66%+
2) push the tough decisions onto her side, by calling the flop you were fortunate you didn't have a decision to make on the turn

if you're playing people that would've folded in position to a 7000 bet into a 15000 pot with that monster draw, then how do i find that game!!??

[SharpAngles]

AJ was on the bottom side of her range imo. I do agree with point 2 a lot. I gave her a chance to push me off the pot. Saying that, I don't have a problem folding this one on the turn because if my read is right I'm behind her whole range. Same reason I don't push flop.

if you're playing people that would've folded in position to a 7000 bet into a 15000 pot with that monster draw, then how do i find that game!!??

Any small buy in tourney like this? They're mostly full of braindead people with one or two other seats that has a clue.