[GGForcer]

What does this mean?

It does not save on bovada... It used to when every player could have a poker name now everyone is just a number... I'm assuming for privacy issues idk

[PaperTrail07]

Its too much $$ not to be cheated....discussing small run scenarios like the few previous posts are what BOVADA LOVES....I mean come on ...were on a variance discussion rather than a ITS NOT LEGIT...discussion....Its not honest simple as that....Madoff payed off plenty of people too....

Agreed. I used to track all of my play online and was up thousands at multiple sites until it all went to hell and the feds shut a lot of sites down. I can play a little.

At Bovada I see the most ridiculous beats. Obviously they happen; however, it's gotten to the point where I can literally predict what miracle card is going to hit.

Usually the same player will continually suck out on me until he has all my chips. I'm talking like three suckouts on all-ins in one tournament. That always shove with crap, go all in with gut shots, or hit runner runner to win. It's really ridiculous.

The worst part is that they don't even call or go in with any hand at all. Example, I have pocket aces and raise. Some a-hole re-raises. I shove. He calls me all in with ace 4. The flop comes 2, 3, 5 and he hits a straight....or which happens a lot....he has a heart in his hand and four hearts hit the board so he hits a flush. Regardless, I'll lose a hand like that way more than I should.

That example isn't even the worst type of beat either. People go all in after the flop with like mid pair a lot and some how pull it out by hitting runner runner all the time.

Definitely not random. I don't know how many times I raise with a pocket pair, hit trips on the flop, then some idiot goes all in with mid-pair when he has like queen 7 and pairs his 7 on the flop.

Idiot usually turns two pair on the turn, and then rivers a boat after making a horrible call pre-flop and shoving all-in dominated after seeing the flop.

Whenever someone does this to me the same guy always ends up sucking out on me again.

[PaperTrail07]

Wow....1st Ive heard of a credit.......they are learning lol....

Bovadas fine. I stick to sports now, but when I played on there, in a couple sit n gos, I lost, and a month later I was credited, because collusion was determined.

[daneblazer]

So does anyone have any statistical evidence that it's rigged or are we just going by everyone's gut feeling?

[Triple_D_Bet]

So does anyone have any statistical evidence that it's rigged or are we just going by everyone's gut feeling?

There is statistical evidence of people's gut feelings...good enough for me, gotta be rigged!

[PaperTrail07]

Come on Dane.....There was PLENTY of evidence Tim Donaghy cheating but people refused to believe their own eyes...If it was printed BOVADA CHEATS PROOF---nobody would play there....they wont let that happen...

So does anyone have any statistical evidence that it's rigged or are we just going by everyone's gut feeling?

[GGForcer]

So does anyone have any statistical evidence that it's rigged or are we just going by everyone's gut feeling?

Just as people think sports are rigged you will get the same comments from people that play poker .... Swings are part of gambling and people don't understand bankroll management of minimal 20 buy ins to handle the swings of poker. If watched tons of poker interviews with the greatest online poker players and they go on swings of up to a million dollars but they keep there system going and they make all that back because they understand the nature of poker. These people think poker is a stock that only goes up lol.

[PaperTrail07]

Guess Ill repost this for GG lol Come on Dane.....There was PLENTY of evidence Tim Donaghy cheating but people refused to believe their own eyes...If it was printed BOVADA CHEATS PROOF---nobody would play there....they wont let that happen...

Just as people think sports are rigged you will get the same comments from people that play poker .... Swings are part of gambling and people don't understand bankroll management of minimal 20 buy ins to handle the swings of poker. If watched tons of poker interviews with the greatest online poker players and they go on swings of up to a million dollars but they keep there system going and they make all that back because they understand the nature of poker. These people think poker is a stock that only goes up lol.

[PaperTrail07]

And as we all know GG....Cheating has NEVER happened in sports or POKER LOL.....gimme a fuckkn break....cheating is part of the game...IT HAPPENS AND EXISTS....

Just as people think sports are rigged you will get the same comments from people that play poker .... Swings are part of gambling and people don't understand bankroll management of minimal 20 buy ins to handle the swings of poker. If watched tons of poker interviews with the greatest online poker players and they go on swings of up to a million dollars but they keep there system going and they make all that back because they understand the nature of poker. These people think poker is a stock that only goes up lol.

[GGForcer]

Of course there's exceptions to everything ... Why are you on a betting website if you think everything's rigged ?

[daneblazer]

And as we all know GG....Cheating has NEVER happened in sports or POKER LOL.....gimme a fuckkn break....cheating is part of the game...IT HAPPENS AND EXISTS....

There's a difference between cheating that the deck being rigged. Some people can't seem to grasp that idea. I'm not going to sit here and try to tell you that cheating doesn't exist, because it does. I've been on Bodog/Bovada a long, long time and probably have more hands on it than 99% of the posters on SBR. If the deck is rigged, it hasn't caught me yet.

[PaperTrail07]

Cheating has no part in poker and I don't play there. Everyone knows in sports things happen and occasionally shit is rigged(shaving, donaghy ect..)....its part of the game/life...but for an Online poker company doing what they want, when they want , anonymously, just does not sit well w me and I hate when people defend the poker client and suggest bad play/variance ect....its an arugment they will take ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK......the minute you discuss hand for hand scenarios---my whole point is already lost....there people citing a few beats/odd situations and suggesting rigged is laughable to all---be real

Of course there's exceptions to everything ... Why are you on a betting website if you think everything's rigged ?

[PaperTrail07]

Rigging the Deck is the last way cheating/money is being taken....

There's a difference between cheating that the deck being rigged. Some people can't seem to grasp that idea. I'm not going to sit here and try to tell you that cheating doesn't exist, because it does. I've been on Bodog/Bovada a long, long time and probably have more hands on it than 99% of the posters on SBR. If the deck is rigged, it hasn't caught me yet.

[GGForcer]

Cheating has no part in poker and I don't play there. Everyone knows in sports things happen and occasionally shit is rigged(shaving, donaghy ect..)....its part of the game/life...but for an Online poker company doing what they want, when they want , anonymously, just does not sit well w me and I hate when people defend the poker client and suggest bad play/variance ect....its an arugment they will take ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK......the minute you discuss hand for hand scenarios---my whole point is already lost....there people citing a few beats/odd situations and suggesting rigged is laughable to all---be real

well sounds like its a battle of opinion and you are just looking for an argument on a forum cuz your bored

[GGForcer]

There's a difference between cheating that the deck being rigged. Some people can't seem to grasp that idea. I'm not going to sit here and try to tell you that cheating doesn't exist, because it does. I've been on Bodog/Bovada a long, long time and probably have more hands on it than 99% of the posters on SBR. If the deck is rigged, it hasn't caught me yet.

What do you play on there dane? I play on sportsbook now because I like seeing the names.

I love Bovada it filled with donkeys because its international and not US only like sportsbook. The good table average pots are almost double of sportsbook too

[PaperTrail07]

Totally wrong.....again my ace's didn't get rivered and im just pissed off here.....Its my opinion correct...and GL on there.....anyone that gets hustled on there almost deserves it IMO anyways....

well sounds like its a battle of opinion and you are just looking for an argument on a forum cuz your bored

[PaperTrail07]

In 7,019 posts I've never bashed anything that I didn't feel deserved it. I didn't just wake up one day and decide to hate on(Bodog) Bovada---Ive been playing online poker Since BoS days my friend.....I wish you the best of luck on there and with your sports picks .

[stevenash]

That's because it's a rigged fuk'in scam just like this place. No different than any other software that can manipulated. Why do you think so many non pros win here all the fuk'in time? Because it doesn't cost SBR shit to let someone with worthless points win.

Yet you still play and post here

[Triple_D_Bet]

Totally wrong.....again my ace's didn't get rivered and im just pissed off here.....Its my opinion correct...and GL on there.....anyone that gets hustled on there almost deserves it IMO anyways....

Meh...paper, it's as simple as this: proving a RNG is rigged requires an amount of data which is beyond any normal human capacity to objectively assess it. The few times legitimate cheating attempts have been caught, it wasn't just because someone had a gut feeling or a few anecdotes; it was because they reviewed a ton of hand histories and concluded performances were statistically off. Trying to claim a RNG is rigged without any kind of sufficient evidence just lumps you in with the players who don't understand poker. As with so many other things, Occam's Razor applies here

[GGForcer]

In 7,019 posts I've never bashed anything that I didn't feel deserved it. I didn't just wake up one day and decide to hate on(Bodog) Bovada---Ive been playing online poker Since BoS days my friend.....I wish you the best of luck on there and with your sports picks .

Been playing poker since BoS ... which means your still playing online poker? your site must be locked up and guarded by navy seals

[PaperTrail07]

Guess I worded it wrong....US GOVT ripped away my ability to reraise people from my couch...I don't play anymore

Been playing poker since BoS ... which means your still playing online poker? your site must be locked up and guarded by navy seals

[PaperTrail07]

For sure well said

Meh...paper, it's as simple as this: proving a RNG is rigged requires an amount of data which is beyond any normal human capacity to objectively assess it. The few times legitimate cheating attempts have been caught, it wasn't just because someone had a gut feeling or a few anecdotes; it was because they reviewed a ton of hand histories and concluded performances were statistically off. Trying to claim a RNG is rigged without any kind of sufficient evidence just lumps you in with the players who don't understand poker. As with so many other things, Occam's Razor applies here

[lunch]

Avoid Bovada? no shit have you been in a cave for 5 years?

SBR never ceases to amaze

[bostonboss]

bookmakers poker is just as rigged.....I was playing a 120 heads up double up.....guy I was playing was raising everything..so I folded my bad hands I catch pocket kings guys goes all in on 2 4 offsuit I call flop comes ace 3 5 played the same guy 3 more times and same bs 500 later I pulled the plug on them.....not random in my opinion

[The Giant]

Do people not understand no matter how good you get your money in pre-flop there is always a bit of luck involved?

[bostonboss]

yes just seems odd the luck runs 1 way

[Lowly Oaftard]

I have PLAYED over 11 MILLION hands on BODOG/BOVADA poker and I can say WITHOUT A DOUBT the poker is RIGGED RIGGED RIGGED. You might as well LIGHT YOUR MONEY on fire if you try to play there.....WITHOUT accounting for the rig. IT IS POSSIBLE to win there if you follow five steps which I will reveal to you ONE AT A TIME in the FORUM. WITHOUT further delay allow me to share with you the FIRST of the FIVE tips to help you ACCUMULATE PROFIT effortlessly while OTHERS STRUGGLE against a game they CANNOT BEAT:

The first way you can account for the RIG is to realize that ONLY SHITTY HANDS WIN BIG POTS. How many TIMES have you had AA or KK and the next thing you know you are BUSTO after some chump beats you with a nine and a two !?!?!?!?! I think all of us understand that certain hands CRUSH these big pairs, and I've studied OVER 11 MILLION HANDS OF DATA to reveal the PATTERNS. The first OBVIOUS pattern shown in my data is the heart of tip number ONE : Play every unsuited 5 gapper that you can. These hands LOCK IN AGAINST BIG PAIRS. Hands like Ten five Offsuited win 94 percent in these situations according to the DATA! At first you will be AFRAID because this seems ILLOGICAL however it is a perfected METHOD from YEARS OF DATA that reveals the TRUTH BEHIND THE RIGGING. Your fear will soon turn to COLD HARD CASH as you profit from understanding what you are up against.

Stay tuned for tip #2 which will be coming soon.

[BiTeMe UsAdOj]

I have PLAYED over 11 MILLION hands on BODOG/BOVADA poker and I can say WITHOUT A DOUBT the poker is RIGGED RIGGED RIGGED........

Lowly Oaftard


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Cut the shit, pavy......

[Lowly Oaftard]

Lowly Oaftard


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Cut the shit, pavy......

I am thankful (Full of Thanks) that you recognize my name and join date! It is truly an auspicious day here at SBR forums since a veteran of my EXPERIENCE ( DONT FORGET - over ELEVEN MILLION HANDS AT BODOG/BOVADA ) has decided to enter the FORUM FRAY and go public with my insider knowledge. It's about TIME that players took a STAND! And I aim to help them do so with my ongoing series of tips on how to adjust to the unfair playing conditions that are rampant in the games. After you recognize my EPIC arrival in this forum, however, you utter some jibberish nonsense about cutting shit. I assure you, I am only here to have a dialogue with my fellow competitors about strategies! By the way, what is a UsAdOj?

[daneblazer]

hard to argue with 11 million hands of data

[BiTeMe UsAdOj]

It is truly an auspicious day here at SBR forums

Why?... did Jackie Blew Blue post an exciting new vid displaying her oral communication skills?
Link please...

since a veteran of my EXPERIENCE ( DONT FORGET - over ELEVEN MILLION HANDS AT BODOG/BOVADA ) has decided to enter the FORUM FRAY and go public with my insider knowledge.

Oh jeez... ... uh uh, ah, yeah, OK... and here I thought you actually knew what "auspicious" means.
BTW, auspicious tin-hat foolery.

By the way, what is a UsAdOj?

Means MILF in Swahili, pavy.

[Lowly Oaftard]

Why?... did Jackie Blew Blue post an exciting new vid displaying her oral communication skills?
Link please...




Oh jeez... ... uh uh, ah, yeah, OK... and here I thought you actually knew what "auspicious" means.
BTW, auspicious tin-hat foolery.



Means MILF in Swahili, pavy.

You should listen to Poster daneblazer who RECOGNIZES the value of empirical data....OVER 11 MILLION HANDS worth. It's hard to argue with what us experts refer to as a "large sample". Google "sample size" to familiarize yourself with the concept. My claims are NOT "tin hat foolery". They are backed up with 11 MILLION pieces of evidence. I do not know who this pavy character you speak of is, but I am sure he would agree that to BEAT a RIGGED game you better understand HOW TO ADJUST.
Tip number 2 coming tomorrow, stay tuned.

[BiTeMe UsAdOj]

You should listen to Poster daneblazer who RECOGNIZES the value of empirical data....OVER 11 MILLION HANDS worth... Google "sample size" to familiarize yourself with the concept.

Perhaps first you should google "sarcasm" to familiarize yourself with that concept so you can better interpret Mr. blazer.

My claims are NOT "tin hat foolery".

Ah, yeeeeaaaah...

Listen, King Hamlet... if you're gonna troll least give us more entertaining shit than "OVER 11 MILLION HANDS"... capisce?
Be more creative and say sumpthin like "Calvin needs to steal the $ so he can blow more lines off Bodog Becky's ass" and stuff like that. Brainstorm. You can do better... TRY.

Tip number 2 coming tomorrow, stay tuned.

Lemme save the trouble... Tip #2 : Beware of doom switch after cashout

[Auto Donk]

You should listen to Poster daneblazer who RECOGNIZES the value of empirical data....OVER 11 MILLION HANDS worth. It's hard to argue with what us experts refer to as a "large sample". Google "sample size" to familiarize yourself with the concept. My claims are NOT "tin hat foolery". They are backed up with 11 MILLION pieces of evidence. I do not know who this pavy character you speak of is, but I am sure he would agree that to BEAT a RIGGED game you better understand HOW TO ADJUST.
Tip number 2 coming tomorrow, stay tuned.

ok, I am interested in exactly what these 11 million pieces of evidence actually show. How have you assembled, calculated or otherwise used the 11 million pieces to statistically compare your play with Blowvada's "bullshit rake generator/keep as many players playing as possible programming" to what should be the statistical norms if cards were dealt truly random? for example, what percentage of the time were your aces cracked by lesser hands? repeatedly saying u played 11 million hands just tells me you have no fcking life, it doesn't tell me anything about legitimate stat analysis and how your experience was way off kilter, from a statistical norm analysis.

[The Giant]

I don't really think you can make a "rigged" claim unless you're over 20 million hands played.

Anything beneath that is laughable.