[Al Masters]

This is my First post i've made about an SBR poker hand since the site got the game,now we all have taken crazy beats here,i have been on both sides of the coin,so this will not be another 1 outer bad beat story.

Rather a.... how can the player play a hand this way story.

In this hand i lost about 94 points total, so i'm not bitching about points.

In the past i have won and lost 1000 points in 1 hand many many times, never said a word, it's poker and points,we all understand that.


I'm in a 1-2 game trying to roll over 200 points, i'm down to about 94 points.

3 way action i'm BB...Button folds...player in small blind makes a min raise to 4 points,
i reraise to 20 points....player calls.


FLOP...J-8-9......with 2 diamonds.

player comes out betting..29 points.....I go all in for about 74.....player thinks till bitter end and calls.

I SHOW A-7 of Diamonds
Player shows.....K-3 of hearts.

Whatever happened next doesn't really matter,what i want to know is how did this player

Come out firing 29 points,surely not to try and bluff, since i only had minimal points left,but if the player
was trying to bluff,how can he make the all in call with K-3 after a flop of J-8-9 of DIAMONDS.


Drunk or Stoned or i don't give a **** about points,cheating..(can't be there only betpoints)is all i can come up with.

Anyways, the player won the hand with a K on the river.

Anyone else have any thoughts?

[Seaweed]

[soul786]

Way I see it he was testing your raise by betting over your raise amount hoping you'd fold. By then he's pot committed too with 4+20+29 already in.

Yes he should have folded, but if he had a large stack maybe he was up for the gamble.

[mikejamm]

Sure Al, I'll explain it to you, no problem. SBR has ringers that play here to suck up points won in tourneys, sportsbook,etc. These ringers can see your cards and every hand being played at this cheating fuk'in scheme! Also, there's a set up outcome to every possible hand played here, especially at ring games. This guy obviously knew his K would hit on the river and your Ace would not. This kind of bullshit happens here all the time. A prime example is, watch what happens once you make rollover, your hands start turning to shit! You hit rollover and all over the sudden, you can't catch a decent fuk'in card! Also, if you're playing against someone who has a high point rollover, like a 1st place points finish, it's the same fuk'in scenario, he'll get great cards and you won't get shit, especially if you're playing with your own regular points or have a smaller rollover to make.

[daneblazer]

It be comin'

[BeerDog99]

Drunk/stoned/stupid/incapacitated and just is not aware nor cares is all I can see.

The ironic thing is that I was kinda in the same situation today but I was more irritated that the guy insta-called as opposed to thinking about it.

I don't see how it could be cheating in either scenario unless the SBR RNG/Servers are rooted.

Just plain stupid luck.

Cheers.

[Al Masters]

Way I see it he was testing your raise by betting over your raise amount hoping you'd fold. By then he's pot committed too with 4+20+29 already in.

Yes he should have folded, but if he had a large stack maybe he was up for the gamble.

Ok, so he bets 29 hoping i fold,trying to make a move when i can't be moved cause i have to much equity in the pot, np he tries
to take down the pot with 29points bet bluff, i can see that.

Now i go all in to 74.............now you believe he's pot commited with 20+29 invested, total 49...now it makes sense to put up 45 more points to chase the 49 he has got invested plus my 49 minus the rake =92 in the pot total...with K-3 hEARTS when you know the flop is J-8-9 of Diamonds.

Really?

[spankie]

well you said it yourself, it's points.

people play with points a lot more aggressive than they do real money

people go all in on coinflips with points all the time

[BiTeMe UsAdOj]

Drunk/stoned/stupid/incapacitated and just is not aware nor cares is all I can see.

Er... page 39, BD.

WTF... don't you even remember? Did sin ghostwrite it for ya or sumpthin'?

The ironic thing is that I was kinda in the same situation today but I was more irritated that the guy insta-called as opposed to thinking about it.

He bought my e-book... Chapter 3: "Tilt 'em for shits and giggles".

p.s. Sales are brisk

[Stifler]

somehow its always the river btw. But i wont argue, its online poker ( i have my personal opinion about that)

[BeerDog99]

LOL, "tilt 'em for shits and giggles"

[moses millsap]

Perhaps he has you pegged as a liberal 3 bettor from the blinds and your massive 3 bet to 20 gives him the feeling you have a hand that does not prefer action. He might think you are trying to knock out the 3rd player, go heads up to the flop with position and take the pot away there when both of you are likely to miss. He tries to take the initiative by betting into the pot first, if it was a 3 way pot, it'd be 29 into ~60 (minus the rake)? You shoving 45 more on top into a ~90 pot still gives him 2:1 The 49 he has in the pot is in the pot, it is no longer his money, so that has to factor in to his %s and whether he think he has greater than 33% equity in this spot against your range. He may have you on some hands like AT, Tx, A8, A9, Qx etc in your range where he feels it's worth it to gamble, especially if you are not paired, since a king or three would suffice for the pot. None of this likely went through his mind and he was most likely clicking buttons, but who knows.

[BeerDog99]

None of this likely went through his mind and he was most likely clicking buttons, but who knows.

This..... :-)

[Al Masters]

Sure Al, I'll explain it to you, no problem. SBR has ringers that play here to suck up points won in tourneys, sportsbook,etc. These ringers can see your cards and every hand being played at this cheating fuk'in scheme! Also, there's a set up outcome to every possible hand played here, especially at ring games. This guy obviously knew his K would hit on the river and your Ace would not. This kind of bullshit happens here all the time.

This actually makes a bit of sense,as the player in question is a SBR Moderator

[RudyRuetigger]

Personally I have no problem with mods, admins,owners playing poker...but if they want to be taken seriously in the future they shouldn't allow it.

[BeerDog99]

Personally I have no problem with mods, admins,owners playing poker...but if they want to be taken seriously in the future they shouldn't allow it.

I agree with both of your points here.

That said is one of the main reasons why I like SBR is that it is a smallish and mostly friendly community (including the owners/admins/mods). No matter how much this place grows or does not, I hope we can maintain a friendly community atmosphere.

[daneblazer]

I had a guy make some ridiculous call like this vs me one time in a tournament because "the straight, it be comin'". To his credit, it did come. So to answer your question, the reason why to make calls like this is because you have a gut feeling it be comin'

[BeerDog99]

I had a guy make some ridiculous call like this vs me one time in a tournament because "the straight, it be comin'". To his credit, it did come. So to answer your question, the reason why to make calls like this is because you have a gut feeling it be comin'

LMAO, I can imagine him saying it too, "papa needs a new pair of shoes...!"

[williamj1975]

thank god for donkeys

[dogracin]

Lost all-in today, i'm sb and everyone folds, shortstacked with 800, blinds, 100-200, I all-in with 88, he calls with 1800 chips 4-9u, of course he hits a 9, it happens to everyone and you do wonder what drunk sob would call this?

[superjeff24]

Ive seen players at $30 and $50 heads up ship it with 10 4 into JK93 board for their entire stack when I have a monster hand. Sometimes they hit their 5% hand and it gives them a huge rush so they keep depositing and playing that way in order to get that same rush.

Believe me, being a winning player is actually mostly boring.

You aren't even playing for money, why would you expect the other freerollers to play anything BUT donkish?

[downsouth]

His cards were Red, cards on board were red, shape/symbol on card was irrelevant. He probably thought he had flopped monster

[Rod_M]

Sure Al, I'll explain it to you, no problem. SBR has ringers that play here to suck up points won in tourneys, sportsbook,etc. These ringers can see your cards and every hand being played at this cheating fuk'in scheme! Also, there's a set up outcome to every possible hand played here, especially at ring games. This guy obviously knew his K would hit on the river and your Ace would not. This kind of bullshit happens here all the time. A prime example is, watch what happens once you make rollover, your hands start turning to shit! You hit rollover and all over the sudden, you can't catch a decent fuk'in card! Also, if you're playing against someone who has a high point rollover, like a 1st place points finish, it's the same fuk'in scenario, he'll get great cards and you won't get shit, especially if you're playing with your own regular points or have a smaller rollover to make.

This should let you play safely next time