Havent messed with online in awhile and logged into bovada and it was Player 1 through 9
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02-04-12 09:20 PM #1
What's the rationale for anonomyus players
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02-04-12 09:40 PM #2
Piss off net withdrawing players and make them leave. Encourage rat holing and bot use. Users not being able to audit collusion. Take away any social aspect of the game.
It's not all bad. If you can stomach the shitty software, it's some of the softest poker around now.
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02-04-12 10:56 PM #3
Dataming, datamining, datamining and more datamining. This is the reason for anonymous names at poker tables. You could buy hand histories from websites and know the tendencies and player ranges before ever playing one hand with them.
Anonymous tables will be standard on all tables on all sites in the future. Only way poker survives online. Try 12 tabling with anonymous players...lol. Only people whining or complaining are the HUD bots.
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02-05-12 08:14 PM #4
Total BS, might as well play online BJ against a computer.
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02-05-12 09:05 PM #5
You cannot mine my hand histories if I am anonymous. You actually have to pay attention and watch how I play. No more playing with statistic heads up displays and just auto piloting. You HUD bots auto pilot 12 tables and earn $$$$ just from dealt rake. Those days are over.
Originally Posted by SR
You are incredibly naive if you did not see the end of HUDs coming.
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02-06-12 01:50 AM #6
Why not just ban the use of HUDs and ruthlessly enforce it through software spying? One of the greatest aspects of poker online or otherwise to know players tendencies, while you can learn them through play at a table for a little bit, you can get a better edge by knowing their tendencies over time, you'd just have to be better about it. If you just banned the HUDs you would still be able to analyze play over time you just would have to . There has got to be sophisticated enough software for the poker companies to do this. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd rather see them banned effectively then an end to knowing who you are playing. Originally Posted by boondoggle
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02-06-12 02:12 AM #7
You cannot stop HUDs with software via the poker client. Many ways to setup proxy that will effectively hide the HUD from the poker software client. Only way to stop the HUD bots---anonymous names.
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02-06-12 02:20 AM #8
Are there ways to set up proxies to block knowledge of the HUD being used that would make it so the poker software was not able to know that someone was using a proxy to block certain information on their system? Originally Posted by boondoggle
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02-06-12 03:19 AM #9
yes and very easily. For example, chain multiple computers together. The poker client software is installed only on one of the computers. The "chained" computer would be unknown to the poker client software.
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02-06-12 04:25 AM #10
How easy is this to set up, if its easy to set up then I can see this being a problem, but if its difficult to set up then you're only going to have the sophisticated players using it, random people playing with bankrolls of $50 are not gonna bother(especially if you really do need a network of computers). Originally Posted by boondoggle
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02-06-12 07:06 AM #11
Not completely true. It's already been proven that users can create a HUD through Bodog's current set up. One poster on 2+2 a few months ago claimed that he could hack their tables when they changed to anonymous tables, Bodog reps said it's impossible, so the next day he hacked it. He did the same thing to Party Poker, though Party's tables are optional. The difference is Party Poker actually worked with him to solve the problems while Bodog didn't. Who knows if Bodog can be trusted whether or not they did fix that problem. Several threads on 2+2 about it. Originally Posted by boondoggle
If you have anonymous tables, they should be an option for players like Party and not one that's required. Just my opinion.Last edited by daneblazer; 02-06-12 at 08:05 PM. Reason: f
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02-06-12 08:26 AM #12
Totally agreed, if the HUDs are really the problem, them ban them through the EULA and enforce it via the existing software methods that are available.
As far as "chaining multiple computers", I am not clear how that would work and it would be very few people that would/could do this.
Overall, if you never can know that you played against Player1 before and they are allowed to rathole and move around with no ability to see it, it is nothing like live poker. Making all the players anonymous, does nothing other than make the game closer to a casino table game as people are just playing their cards dealt.
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02-06-12 07:12 PM #13
If you're a decent player you change up your game constantly if you see players playing a particular style vs. you. Now it's a hope and prayer with no information. unless you are planning on putting in a long siege.
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02-06-12 08:14 PM #14
I have no problem with anonymous tables, theres a reason why all those players with huds left. Plain and simple they cant play poker without them, and yet they think they are so good. I can't lie having a hud is good but its not a necessity in my game. Boondoggle is right most people just pay for hand histories look at stats from players they never played with and start reraising them from there tendencies, now u explain how that makes players good? All the people complaining about huds probably just suck anyway.
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02-06-12 11:15 PM #15
I just dont understand why people keep referring to HUDs being the deciding factor for "better" players complaining. It is about the fact that there is no way to know who you are playing against 5mins, 15mins, 2hours or 2days ago.
If you play live poker, you know the people you play. Without usernames, you cannot make any mental or written notes about players in or across sessions.
This has nothing to do with HUDs or not. Granted, HUDs help and also they make it easier to multi-table but it really has nothing to do with the basic issue that you never will know who you are playing against.
It is now about playing your cards only, nothing about playing the player.
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02-07-12 04:34 AM #16
How about just allow players to change their names extremely frequently? Don't get me wrong I miss the non-hud days of online poker but IMO you are given up to much by not allowing some way of independent verification of the legitimacy of other's play... Originally Posted by boondoggle
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02-07-12 07:05 AM #17
so much fail Originally Posted by Legions36
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02-07-12 08:25 AM #18
What Bodog wants is a world where nobody withdraws from their site. Before the anonymous change, they already made hand histories unreadable, taken away any sort of rewards program, have had buggy and bad software for nearly an entire decade, hide full tables, limit the amount of tables one can play at a time, and numerous other things that would discourage any decent player to put any amount of volume in their site. On top of that, they skew their lines towards bettors tendencies.
What they have done well is pay out, and that leads people to their site. I can't imagine that the processing fees from cash outs come very cheap. Eliminating the amount of withdrawals has to be a big expense cut. They want a "casual gambler" to win something on a game or a few hundred on a tournament, trade it amongst themselves on a poker table for the rake, then go dump it on another game with a bad line or play online keno in the casino. Winning poker players don't do that.
Good players are good players because they can gather, assimilate, and process information around them well to help them make the correct decisions for a given situation. All a hud does is help gather that information for a player. It doesn't really make them play any better or worse without knowing what to do with that information. A game with no huds would be great, but gathering information is a huge part of poker and with anonymous tables and no way to mark or take notes of players (which you do live) there is a huge part of the game taken away, not to mention any social aspect of the game is gone as well.Last edited by daneblazer; 02-07-12 at 08:31 AM.
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02-07-12 12:10 PM #19
Here's why anonymous tables are not an option at Bodog Network...this excerpt is straight from an article the the Bodog Network VP published a few months ago: Originally Posted by daneblazer
An example of not getting it quite right is how Party Poker and Microgaming have implemented Anonymous Tables. At those sites they are an alternative to normal tables. The problem with that is that the net depositing players who would benefit from playing anonymously do not realize that and sit down at the normal tables. The winning players then follow the net depositing players which means that nobody plays at the anonymous tables.
Full article can be found here if interested.
Thank you!
Becky
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02-07-12 04:05 PM #20
I find it amusing that BodogBecky comes in here after what I believe has been a long hiatus from SBR and only picks out one small point to comment on and tow the party line for Bodog.
Independant of "HUDs" the Poker games on Bodog are no longer even the slightest bit interesting nor fun. You have turned poker on your site to something only slightly better than a slot machine.
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02-07-12 05:53 PM #21
all online poker will move to anonymous. Only way for it to survive. Get used to it.
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02-07-12 06:03 PM #22
So what that really tells us is that when given the choice, nobody wants to play at anonymous tables Originally Posted by BodogBecky
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02-07-12 11:55 PM #23
I really appreciate all of these posts. I was considering playing poker recreationally, but now, after reading these posts and doing a bit more online research, I will never give anyone a penny of real money towards poker. Thanks again.
One question, are players in SBR's tournaments and ring games using HUDs?
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02-08-12 11:50 PM #24
Not sure what you took out of this to never put a penny to real money but to each his own. Originally Posted by Dan Kelly
LOL, that would be funny if somebody figured out how to use a HUD on SBR.
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02-09-12 12:09 AM #25
Originally Posted by BeerDog99
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02-09-12 12:19 AM #26
a hud for sbr would be trivial.
Most of the work is already done. Simply extend this C# based hud
The author provides source code freely.Last edited by boondoggle; 02-09-12 at 03:03 AM.
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02-09-12 12:11 PM #27
The only thing I know is that since the implementation of anonimus tables I m doing quite well, with the normal downswings of poker.
Just play it right and get reworded, but stay away from the program traps.
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02-09-12 12:55 PM #28
When Bodog introduced their BS anonymous poker software, I left the site. I haven't been back since and used to make a lot of bets at their sportsbook.
So in the end, they're losing business.
They got sick of good players cashing out.
Poker is an information game. I don't goto a casino and play blindfolded so I cant see my opponent.
Not that it matters. 5dimes is where I do business now and I play poker live.
Poker was the only reason I used to deposit at Bovada. Way to screw it up.
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02-09-12 04:19 PM #29
I agree with you about the information you get from players while on the table. Originally Posted by BigDofBA
I also play life poker, but , and without offending anyones points of view, i m able to get info from player from the moment i seat at the table whether is life or online, but online i follow mostly betting patterns and tendencies of players.
I m staiting this again, i m doing very well in Bodog since the changes both tournaments and cash tables playing .50 1 and 1 2 all from a 140 deposit card in early January.
best regards
Sinmiedo
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