[RudyRuetigger]

The top 100-200-500-152158487 are all based on one thing - SBR Poker Tournaments.

You can argue that you would've turned into Phil Ivey had you known one day your finishes would've mattered, but at the end of the day, you play to win. I don't think any of the squeaky wheels had a shot at the top 10, anyway.

Lou, you couldn't be more wrong.

We played to qualify. Once people qualified that was the end of it. Only the people who do nothing during the day, want some time to waste, or guys like carseller actually played more if they already qualified.

You're telling me Phil Ivey would qualify for the WSOP Main Event multiple times after he already had his entry?

Bottom line: its a shitty fomat. The same thing can be said about BTP last year and Legends MLB Contest this year. I deposited for BTP and I'm sure many others did, but I'd really like to see how many of those passed on depositing at Legends for the MLB. The problem is SBR can't admit when they make a mistake and would rather keep digging themselves in a hole.

no no no it was announced

Lets make it simple: Ill bet you 100:1 on your 100 points that it wasn't announced at the start of qualifying

[Roxxyfish]

agree on that players should at least pro

Are there any players on the list not at sbr anymore that could get knocked off the list? Also anything about having to be a SBR Pro would help as well...

[Enkhbat]

105th place now, gotta grind

[BigDaddy]

agree on that players should at least pro

+1


should be pros only

[stevek173]

173 has been steadily climbing the ranks this month from 97th to 48th. Look for me to be sitting on a bye 10.31.

[Glitch]

ofcourse its a bad idea. they already back tracked for the ryder cup, why do it again? why can't it start fresh at some point?

or you'd prefer let the people that won/finished high in sbr's 1st big tourney have bye's into every new major tournament sbr promotes?

i only read a few posts in this thread so far but as a ryder cup 2nd place winner, i would also like to endorse another tournament starting fresh.

its one thing if the measurement is just skewed for analysis, but its another thing if its skewed And this skewing is preventing the best/ "most fair" sort of tournament.

i also acknowledge and understand the other side- people who were able to have a chance to win the big prizes were around with a capable computer to be able to do so. you did have a chance if you were around.

then theres those people who were around but say they didn't have a chance because of the unlikely probability of them mathematically qualifying amongst such a large geographically-divided participant pool.

then theres the other point of....ehhh nevermind.

[Roadtrip635]

Actually they had the highest amount of points won outside of the qualifiers. So they were players and long time posters. Plus you are talking about 4 guys and only one in the winning group. Some micro surgery hair splitting for a tourney with 100 guys. Plus, there is over a month to qualify.

I had more points than the 9th place qualifier for the US team, but less posts. The 9th spots were awarded to the player that had a min of 500 points and the most posts. I was just pointing out to Roxxy that not all spots on the team were earn based on play during qualifying.

[chemicalbrother]

cool idea sbr. i'm obviously not gonna make it, but it's probably more of a 'championship' than anything so far.

[downsouth]

It is what it is. Know it for next year. THere will be leaderboard contests for 2012 so always make sure you play to win.

Ryder cup may affect a few people out of top 100 but that is all. You should be able to make it in the top 100 if you really want to or are a decent player. If you try and cannot make top 100 odds are you probably do not belong in something that is awarding a poker championship. If you didnt make it because you didnt play enough than sucks but now you know going forward. Play as often as you can because there could always be something in the future that could require points.

And honestly its really not Ryder Cup that is skewing results as much as those February mega prizes are(I wish I would have been plaing SBR poker for more than the last week of those things). I think im the only one top 10 that was in Ryder Cup and even if you took my 1000(poor US team, we never stood a chance) away I would still be top ten.

Anyways, thanks SBR and good luck guys, look forward to the rest of you in round 2.

[mrmarket]

Rudy hashed out most of my complaints about the format. The other problem is that the software didn't work properly if you weren't running XP so a ton of people simply didn't play that many because it was pointless getting disconnected every other hand. That problem was only fixed on like August 01. And before the BITTER BECAUSE HE NOT 100 LOL retards post feel free to exclude me if you make some of the previously suggested fixes if it actually means something gets done for the better.

[Glitch]

I had more points than the 9th place qualifier for the US team, but less posts. The 9th spots were awarded to the player that had a min of 500 points and the most posts. I was just pointing out to Roxxy that not all spots on the team were earn based on play during qualifying.

thats just how teams were picked. if it was 7 players and highest posts- you wouldnt qualify either. 15 players and the highest post count- maybe you would have. 9 players straight, no post count and you probably would Not have either.

this is why thats not a strong argument to oppose this format. that is not to say that it is not a valid opinion.

[daneblazer]

From an outsider that doesn't play much on SBR nor will I likely play much in the future...

The points field needs to be reset at some point to be fair to everyone, but it shouldn't be now.

It would also be nice to have some sort of a waiting list. Not sure if the software would allow this though in the middle of the game. Say if a player in the top 100 can't make it or doesn't show up, then the player ranked 101 takes over. It would be easier if a player in the top 100 calls out before the tournament begins. It's the Top 100 tournament, not the top 94 and 6 guys who aren't logged in and are timed out tournament.

[ThaWoj]

9 of top 20 have less then 13 cashes some have 2

this.

not saying me or someone else should or shouldnt be on the list, but i dont agree that some guy that cashed once or twice belongs at the top simply because they got lucky. thats like me saying i'm the top 10 handicapper at SBR because i went 2-0 in monday night football this year

[Roxxyfish]

bullshit, if Serena Williams plays only 1 Tennis Tourney a year, lets say Wimbledon...and she wins then she deserves a TOP spot on the ranking,no matter if other players win 7 small tourney

this.

not saying me or someone else should or shouldnt be on the list, but i dont agree that some guy that cashed once or twice belongs at the top simply because they got lucky. thats like me saying i'm the top 10 handicapper at SBR because i went 2-0 in monday night football this year

[ThaWoj]

i know what you are saying but again, thats like giving roy halladay the cy young because he pitched in 3 games and went 3-0 with 0.00 ERA.

there really should be a minimum number of tournaments played/number of cashes made in order to be eligible to be on the leaderboard

[k13]

bullshit, if Serena Williams plays only 1 Tennis Tourney a year, lets say Wimbledon...and she wins then she deserves a TOP spot on the ranking,no matter if other players win 7 small tourney

No.

Chris Moneymaker is one of the best poker players in the world.

Jamie Gold is one of the best poker players in the world.

Jerry Yang is one of the best poker players in the world.

I could go on.

[Roadtrip635]

thats just how teams were picked. if it was 7 players and highest posts- you wouldnt qualify either. 15 players and the highest post count- maybe you would have. 9 players straight, no post count and you probably would Not have either.

this is why thats not a strong argument to oppose this format. that is not to say that it is not a valid opinion.

I'm not opposing the format for the Top 100 championship at all, it actually sounds pretty cool. We all knew there would be some sort of Top 100 tourney once they posted the standings, it was just a question of when.

There's still a lot of time to qualify to make the Top 100, there are plenty of players that have jumped 20, 30, 40 or more spots in a months time. Hell there a couple guys that have jumped 20+ spots in the last week or so.

It took 1600 pts to make US team (spots 1-8), I had 1500, so I'm pretty sure I was the bubble guy. I was merely pointing out to Roxxy that not all spots were earned by play alone. It sucks to be the bubble guy

[pavyracer]

The 1st couple tournaments were given massive points. So you won the first tourney you are set for life. Also the people who signed up at SBR after that huge points tourney are at a big disadvantage. As usual everything SBR does is not well thought.

[k13]

Roxxy comparing Tennis to Poker. lol

Chances of anyone here beating Federer is 0%, Chances of anyone here beating (insert top poker pro) is > 20%

No one here will win a real tennis tournament even if they played a millions times.

If you played a poker tournament a millions times, anyone can win one multiple times.

[playersonly69]

Just reset the top 100 list on January 1st.


Maybe come up with a points system where daily tournaments get from 1-10 points depending on place. First would get 10 points, 10th place would get 1 point.

The Saturday tournament should be worth 1-20 points

[Roadtrip635]

I'd like to see a tourney based on number of cashes. Something like 20+ cashes to be eligible for the tourney.

[playersonly69]

Cashes is an OK idea, but no judge of top players.

Tons of guys have light cashes in 7th-10th place. If you are not first, then you are last

[k13]

Cashes is an OK idea, but no judge of top players.

Tons of guys have light cashes in 7th-10th place. If you are not first, then you are last

Only top 3 should really matter. At least in the real poker world it does.

[d2bets]

I'd like to see a tourney based on number of cashes. Something like 20+ cashes to be eligible for the tourney.

This.

Or maybe some sort of a blended rating based on both points and cashes.

Are there going to be any opportunities for cashes besides the regular daily tournaments currently running?

[d2bets]

Cashes is an OK idea, but no judge of top players.

Tons of guys have light cashes in 7th-10th place. If you are not first, then you are last

Disagree. High percentage of cashes is very indicative of quality. Anyone can get lucky a couple of times. Consistency is more telling.

[Glitch]

The 1st couple tournaments were given massive points. So you won the first tourney you are set for life. Also the people who signed up at SBR after that huge points tourney are at a big disadvantage. As usual everything SBR does is not well thought.

so because players who have been here playing longer are at a greater advantage, you think this is not well thought-out?

-if they woulda googled "sports betting" instead of "asian titties" they would have found SBR like the rest of us.


*many computers couldnt even run SBRpoker until august.

[pavyracer]

so because players who have been here playing longer are at a greater advantage, you think this is not well thought-out?

-if they woulda googled "sports betting" instead of "asian titties" they would have found SBR like the rest of us.


*many computers couldnt even run SBRpoker until august.

I think winning one tourney with 20,000 points does not equal to winning 40 tourneys of 500 points.

[Glitch]

i think greenbay shouldnt be the NFL champions just for winning one game.

the regular season and playoffs were essentially qualifiers.

the system is what the system is. it is not the most efficient in getting in the best tournament players or even those who won the most tournaments but how did we come to the conclusion that that is what it was suppose to be?

its a tournament for people who ranked for winning betpoints playing sbr poker. thats it.

they should definitely have another tournament with a more even playing field. with qualification beginning after the tournament is announced. but this tournament is just what this tournament is.

[wquine]

i dont remember any ryder cup, i gotta pay more attention...

[pavyracer]

i think greenbay shouldnt be the NFL champions just for winning one game.

the regular season and playoffs were essentially qualifiers.

the system is what the system is. it is not the most efficient in getting in the best tournament players or even those who won the most tournaments but how did we come to the conclusion that that is what it was suppose to be?

its a tournament for people who ranked for winning betpoints playing sbr poker. thats it.

they should definitely have another tournament with a more even playing field. with qualification beginning after the tournament is announced. but this tournament is just what this tournament is.

The system is what it is. Doesn't mean is good. If it was good everyone would have been in love with it instead of bashing it.

[Glitch]

doesnt mean it is bad either. and people will complain about anything- especially if they do not find themselves in a fortunate-enough circumstance to be able to take advantage of such an offer. for all we know- the february winners would complain if those winnings weren't included.

i am 91% sure if royal flush winnings were factored into the rankings, you would be singing a different tune (despite the fact that you will undoubtedly deny this)

[pavyracer]

doesnt mean it is bad either. and people will complain about anything- especially if they do not find themselves in a fortunate-enough circumstance to be able to take advantage of such an offer. for all we know- the february winners would complain if those winnings weren't included.

i am 91% sure if royal flush winnings were factored into the rankings, you would be singing a different tune (despite the fact that you will undoubtedly deny this)

No I asked why the Royal Flush winnings were not included and no one gave me an answer but I didn't complain because the people who make the rules are dumb.

[Augustus]

The most unfair part for this standing is the conversion of the sportsbook sponsored cash into betpoints for tourneys won in January and February. Few guys with a win in the February qualifying tourney and a place in the tournament are in the top 20 places. That after, they can't cash a tourney. Since all poker tourneys use betpoints from March onward, I suggest that we use the standing from March onward, extend the qualifying tourneys to end of the November and hold this poker championship in December.

[Glitch]

because they want to continue to perpetrate the facade that this tournament SHOULD be pleasing to the masses that are calling for a tournament winnings merit-based/ fair tournament.

SBR should embrace this as just a tournament placement winnings tribute to those who have been around playing SBR poker in its inaugural year. More of a loyalty reward than a "poker championship"

royal flush winnings should count. they were won from playing SBR poker. the list is already so skewed in terms of the criteria for which this tournament is alleged to include.



they can always do ANOTHER tournament

[jose21_us]

Dam I got a long way to go... Even after today 1st place finish no where near top 100...