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Online poker isn't rigged. The misconception comes from the number of bad beats. On average you probably see about 30-35 hands an hour in live casino play. You might see one or two bad beats maybe more maybe less. Now when you play Internet you could see 50-60 and playing rush poker you could see 100-200 hands an hour. Of course you will see more bad beats online than live. That's statistics. Can't lie about mathematics.
Originally Posted by wtf
bubby. u can submit wat ever u like. but i object to this 3rd stringer, " i know a guy who knows a guy who is important ." letter posted on this site.
i analyzed his little letter to us. inviting this wb to show up and chat and answer the discrepencies given in the letter. since then i have not seen canada popping up and chatting with us also.
i.e drop the bomb ---don't kill the messenger--- and leave us.
why not question the messenger. his story seems trollish.
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and to say that i am a shill. for who full tilt? i've never deposited on their site or even played on it.
u can catch me, or used to catch me. on absolute playing under the same screen avatar and name as sbr . or cake or a merge skin.
with all the doj bad news for online poker players. i'm playing on sbr now. and hustler casino.com
but to call me a ft shill. is a total lie. i have no affiliation with them whatsover.
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That is rare (don't feel like doing the combinatorial math, but, yeah), but what is worse is when someone gets the flush on the other person. I have had that happen to me. Ahhhhhh!
Regulate this industry NOW!
I believe this. But i don't feel there is any proof of this.
I strongly suspected there rng was juiced yrs back..again this falls into greed...people believe a bs certification..when they had no certification for a couple yrs
if when u do regulate it..no ftp or fkin stars..let the casino's who operate by lawe run it please
basically by juicing the rng it provided for more rake/exciting games..money is root of all evil
wb would be foolish to post here...
This article just verifies what I thought was true all along.
This thread does the same for me but probably not in the same way.
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lol i hope you guys who believe this are just leveling........
some poker players have hand databases in the millions, maybe the tens of millions. if this was true it would become quite apparent over that large a sample.
that everyone here is a bit slow?
This WP guy is a crook too. How can you call him a friend when you know he ripped off people.
He is the bigger criminal. Stealing for billions vs being a donkey stealing helping the fraudster steal from people for $10/hr.
People have a pretty easy time accepting that big business and government are rigged. But sports and poker are out of the question.
lol entertaining post, nowhere near the truth. Poker players, especially the good ones tend to be the smartest statisticians in the world, you think they haven't tested millions of hands to prove the randomness? How do you explain the thousands upon thousands of players whose graphs look like / if there is no long term edge? What a joke by a pissed off guy.
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its not in the poker sites favor to have a rigged game, if it truly was 50/50 there wouldn't be any pros 16 tablings 10 hours a day if the game was rigged because they would break even. You would have a bunch of 1 tabling donks and they would have half the action they normally do.People have a pretty easy time accepting that big business and government are rigged. But sports and poker are out of the question.
That's why its obvious this is retarded.
Plus I'm guessing it would be pretty much impossible to really create a rng that maximimizes rake, that would be one complicated program. (thousands of potential factors)
how far this bull goes i dont know but as long as there is money to be made people will be finding ways to steal it if you dont like it dont play.
When you are making tens or hundreds of millions nothing is really complicated ...
You guys are like those fukkin savants.. can remember the whole fukkin dictionary but can't even figure out common sense shit...
Who do you think these poker geeks with millions of hands of data and perfect game strategy would be playing against if the sites were legit??? Yep, you guessed it.. OTHER poker geeks with millions of hands of data and perfect game strategy..
No one is saying it is impossible to "win" playing online poker, what they are saying is it isn't random and is tweaked to help "bad" players who tend to tilt off there bankrolls...
The bad players would go broke so fast and then youd be left with a bunch of poker pros vs. other poker pros... guess what, these pros would figure out real quick they were wasting their time playing other pros and eventually you would have very little action...
very little action=less rake for poker sites
make sense now savants?
this is something elso it might be true u never know with big companys
One thing that I noticed on some poker sites, in tournaments, is that in the final stages of it (less than 10-15% players left) the games "are made" for the players with most chips ... I have seen countless times guy's with a low chip stack going all in with good starting cards and the table's chip leader calling with nothing and winning - I think it happened more than 75-80%; some guy had a name for this, I think it was "The cleaning" or something like that ...
This what I told people awhile back and they laughed...
I play both live poker and online poker.. I've seen so many bad beats happen online both myself and other players its not funny.. But yet when i play live poker i don't see it that much..The RNGs online are so full of shit.. They will never actually compare to the card shuffle by a dealers hands or machine at table..
I only play home games because of this. Any time you get up a couple of hands someone will tear you up with just an awful hand. I quit playing online altogether due to that.
if true which could be, makes one wonder, maybe go live instead of online play. But then live still difficult but less prone to number generator shenanigans.
I will give my 2 cents. A few of you argue that "why then to some players make tons of money" or "some guys have made over a million"
Your talking about 1 or 2% of the field. Sure, maybe they are great at analyzing stats, reading hand histories, maximizing their hold 'em manager software, i really don't know. I truly believe poker is a game of skill, but even if you account for the number of hands played live vs. online (yes i know you play more online per hour) ....online still seems to much of a coin toss.
Guys that have offshore banks, shell companies, bribing banks, and disguising payments to rake the US market are the types of people that have no problem juicing software. Everybody has their own opinion. Winning players will always say it's fair because they would never admit their just some lucky anomaly, and losing players will say its rigged because they won't admit they suck. Either way, looking at all the evidence, complaints, hand histories, and the refusal of FTP to allow a 3rd party to look at their code for true randomness, i would rather just not play online.
This guy, who wrote the letter, works for Full Tilt. I used to play on Stars and other sites, and every single site had a different RNG. Some were more "realistic" then others. Like i said i don't know what to believe, but I can confirm what is TRUE, after reading tons of posts on Pocket Fives and 2+2 forum the last 24 hours:
-full tilt has stopped paying US customers, they will also not allow any transfers
-full tilt has only paid out a fraction of Euro and CDN customers, despite claiming "everything is business as usual"
-full tilt continues to take deposits, but restrict withdrawal methods to ridiculous amounts and force you to deposit more to "release more wd options"
-full tilt has closed accounts, with high balances, because years ago they believed some players of cheating or chip dumping, yet let them continue to deposit until they decided to wd. They cannot dispute whatever full tilt decides. Some guy even lost 98k after winning an ftops event because he chip dumped some money to a friend cause he couldn't deposit. Pretty unfair if you ask me
Whatever you take from this, i can honestly say that there is a hell of a lot more negative things about online poker then good, and it does need to be regulated, and all RNGs should be allowed to be audited and scrutinized, then i will feel safe and deposit money that IS insured and I know IS safe.
that is pretty much how it is, especially in cash games. Poker pros hardly made any money per table, but if you play 24 tables like a lot do, you only have to make about a $1 an hour per table (including rakeback, not that hard a feat) and your making decent money at least.
very little fish/amateurs left in online cash games since pros were over running it all.
i never trust online poker but my friend played full tilt alot and never had any problems.......although i guess one out of so many does not add up......if they are wrong...then make them pay
i remember when people were talking bad about ub and ap about super user accounts and people said it wasn't true and it turned out to be true. 90 percent of what this guy is saying is true.
dumb comments i see. Some people win millions because every tourney has a winner.
The fukin "insider" couldn't even spell hundred right.
Never had a slow pay from them , received payouts many times before deposit even cleared.
So that part of your post I call bullshit !!!
i believe every word, after all its written on the interweb
All overseas poker sites are legit. They would never pray on the US players. Even though they could without fear of penalty, they are too nice to do that.
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