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    XM Exchange Feedback Thread

    We've been receiving a tremendous number of e-mails (not to mention forum posts) with comments/ideas/criticisms on XM Exchange. We're thankful for all feedback we receive and I apologize that we haven't had the opportunity to respond to most of the correspondence we've received. But I do want to emphasize that we're definitely taking notes.

    I'm creating this thread so in the hope that we can consolidate player feedback on the Exchange in a single location. Hopefully this will become kind of a player wish list as well.

    Following are some of the most frequent and interesting suggestions and criticisms we've received (there's been a lot of overlap so I've compiled many related themes into single items). I've also included in many of the cases a bit about out plans to address these issues.

    I'm hoping to see this list continue to grow even as we start knocking items off one by one.

    So if any ideas please please please post them here.

    Comments and Requests We've Received:

    1. Players have complained about point spread/totals markets that deviated substantially from widely available numbers. A lot of players just don’t want to be betting in markets with stake numbers 2 or 3 points off the Vegas figure. We’ve addressed this issue for the time being by having improved the speed and reliability of our automation process for pulling new spreads and totals from line services, which we then use to automatically create new markets.
    2. The downside of this, brought up by a number of players as well, is that many events eventually end up with a completely unwieldy number of market figures, both drying up liquidity and over complicating the interface.

      We do plan to address both these opposing concerns in the near future by offering players the ability to place “linked” offers across multiple spread or total markets, all of which draw on a single capital source. XM Exchange players will have the ability to place a sell offer in a single market and then optionally specify additional half point buy/sell prices which will cause their single offer to appear in any number of additional markets (at the player’s option, of course).

      In this manner a seller would only have to manage a single offer at a single line, but still have the benefit of a presence in multiple markets. He’ll increase his chances of a fill, providing liquidity to multiple “nearby” lines without tying up any more capital than that required by a single order.

      So for example a player could simultaneously offer $100 in risk on each of UCONN +1, UCONN PK, and UCONN -1, all entered (and modified as desired) as a single order at either user specified or default point buy/sell prices, with each one decrementing in size as the other orders are filled. So you’d have $300 of offers outstanding, but would only be tying up $100 in bankroll.

      If you can buy and sell half points at sportsbooks why shouldn’t you be able to the same at exchanges?
    3. Offerings in parlays and teasers. Similar to the above, market makers (and indeed ANY interested player) will have access to a simple interface that will facilitate efficient liquidity provision in compound markets. This would be based on just a small number of input variables (with default values available) and would obviate traders of the burden of monitoring anything other than the associated underlying markets. For players just looking to bet parlay this should be completely transparent and fundamentally no different than what he’d find at a traditional sportsbook.
    4. Grading time – initially the time to settle wager was unacceptably slow. In truth this was because we were then part way between manually entering scores and automating score entry via what turned out to be a rather poor data source. After a couple of missteps with similarly slow and unreliable feeds we’ve put in a place a fast and accurate data solution that submits scores as soon as they’re received to the grading engine, which then settles all such wagers immediately. This is just fundamental
    5. When buying across multiple prices, players have expressed a desire for the software to automatically tally up all the risk quantities at intervening prices. This way if there were say, $50 for sale at +110, $20 for sale at +109, and $44 for sale at +105, the user wouldn’t have to mentally sum these dollar values, rather the software would automatically enter the buy of $114 at +105 thereby clearing out all those prices with a single mouse gesture.
    6. Further customization of site settings (persistent across user sessions) including: skinning (customizable color palettes); optional inclusion of betting tool widgets that may be repositioned anywhere within a given player view; customizable game and event ordering that may be based on such criteria as preset user “favorites”, degree of market activity, proximity to game time, the player’s volume of live and/or filled order in that market, as well any of a number of additional sets of event grouping criteria that players might suggest. I happen to think the event panels are great, but they’ll be even better when they can be further persistently customized per user.
    7. Related to the above would an improved navigational system that the obviated the need to traverse multiple widget levels to enumerate/locate events of interest. This night be accomplished through a cascading menu interface similar to BetFair, a Microsoft Office-type “ribbon bar into which particular markets can be dragged, extruders located at the four sides and four corners of the each providing easy access to a particular sport or league as defined by the user.
    8. Ability to view not only individual fills per market, but also fills grouped by price, by side, as well as net position across an entire market. A proof of concept-type version of the latter can be found at http://www.xmexchange.com/static/html/net_fills.html. (Player must be logged in to use it, the software is unofficial, unsupported, and only mentioned here because so manhy players have asked for it). We’ll have a much a fuller featured version directly integrated into the UI soon.
    9. Ability to sort fills and open orders not only by market side, but also by event, risk/win amount, net risk/win across markets, fill time, and whatever else.
    10. Option to view lines in any of the major formats.
    11. The ability to queue multiple orders for eventual simultaneous submission. Enter the orders now but then submit them all at once later, Matchbook has of course had this for a while … but our players will be able to do this over any number of disparate markets and events.
    12. Single-click order cancellation by price, side, market, event, or across all a player’s offers. Single click order submission (obviously OFF by default, and limited mindful of the user defined single click size limitations).
    13. Timed orders expiry … . Right now, the only automated cancellation occurs shortly before game time. There\s no reason players shouldn’t be able to additionally customize these times as they see fit -- per-order, in bulk, based on absolute time, or based probased on proximityu to game time.
    14. At the option of the player, automated removal of stale offers (away from the market) and automated parceling of an order throughout the course of the day.
    15. Instant messaging of binding offer requests – say one player is trying to buy at +102, someone else is offering to sell at -102. Players have expressed a desire for the ability to message the seller at -102 and attempt to secure a middle trade at +100. The order message would be binding on the player who sent it and would only be valid for a brief user-specified period of time (maybe around 30-60 seconds by default). Players could choose to identify themselves when making and receiving such offers or could remain anonymous. And obviously players would need the option to switch off the receipt of such messages
    16. User created markets and events – Matchbook had this with their X-Bets offerings but it was slow and tedious and required e-mailing their CS. We’re going to have a simple interface such that games or events already listed on major line services or perhaps at certain sportsbook will be added by request almost immediately. Custom events and props will still need to be approved by staff for suitability and clarity, but it will be handled through a site-integrated interface. I already mentioned how we\re going to be handling additional many spreads and totals automatically, but even in situations when a particular market doesn’t happen to fall within anyone’s range players will be add whatever as they desire (although with some reasonable sanity checks).
    17. More flexible usage of trading P&L across linked markets, and the removal of usage restrictions on trading P&L coming from events that are always ACTION.
    18. Improved tutorial in terms of clarity, navigability, breadth, and organization,. Related to this is as a “guided usage mode” for new player.
    19. The ability to filter from view orders less than that of a specified size.
    20. And finally, the all-important API:
      I certainly know as well as anyone that a betting exchange requires a robust, well-documented, and well supported API. While of limited to interest to most players, this was still probably the single most inquired about feature. On a personal note I spent most of my professional life as a quantitative trader, over the years developing, implementing, and trading all flavor of automated trading strategies on a variety of proprietary platforms.

      As such I can’t understate the level of importance I attribute to the continuous development of, and informed top tier support for, our API product. To take this a step further, our intention is to develop and maintain open-source API “helpers tools” (in-house) structured to appeal to players that cut a wide swath across degrees of technological sophistication. This should be of great benefit to highly profit-oriented players who might nevertheless lack in sufficient technological resources to develop their own automated trading platforms.

      What we figure is that the easier we can make it for a player to trade, the more relevant, useful, and intuitive tools we can offer him -- the more attractive the trading environment will be for liquidity providers.

      So not only will we be supporting the API itself, but also assisting players like never before in bridging the gap between their Excel spreadsheets/proprietary databases, etc. and direct and seamless order submission to the exchange via our API.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganchrow View Post
    The ability to filter from view orders less than that of a specified size.
    By default the market view now won't display prices with associated win size < $5 (unless any portion of the quantity on offer is your own.)

    You'd still fill if you bet at (or through) the price, its just that the tiny orders won't be cluttering the screen any more.

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    A lot of good suggestions, if #15 is implemented that seems like it would be breaking new ground. The closest I've seen to something like that is a chat window in Tradesports back in the day.

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    Will all markets be left open in-play, or just a chosen number? Perhaps just national broadcast events to start?

    So traders will have the option of providing alternative spreads? Will alternative spreads be open Live in-play? Or will a new number be open Live in-play offering more than a single spread?

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    I know there are certain priorities, and software/platform is clearly most important, but my main practical concern would be whether or not i have to go to walmart and stand in line behind a dozen of welfare's finest to send $1000 to my boy, Juan Diaz Alvarez, in Managua. If there's some way to get 'preferred'/VIP status when it comes to deposits so that we can send money via a more conventional method, your business will go through the roof.

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    Looks good especially on the API access.

    I would also echo what Hoja Verdes has said, however. I would be more than happy to seed/trade some markets at the new exchange but that is contingent on being able to deposit/withdraw using Neteller or Moneybookers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trumpdown View Post
    Will all markets be left open in-play, or just a chosen number? Perhaps just national broadcast events to start?
    From the perspective of the software there's of course absolutely no reason why every market couldn't be left open in-play. Indeed, in the beta status quo the only demarcation between "standard" and "in-play" markets is that prior to an event "going live" all associated orders are auto-canned.

    Nevertheless, we are mindful of the tremendous disadvantage faced by recreational players wagering based on severely time-delayed game data. While we certainly have no moral objection to players profiting from informational disparity, what concerns us is how this might manifest itself as an appearance of impropriety.

    There are of course many ways of addressing this, but most likely we'd just start off as you say ... only offering (by default) nationally televised events, presented alongside notes of caution aimed at the unwary.

    Now eventually, we'd hope to open pretty much any event for live trading (by request), but that's a serious step we'd not take lightly.

    Quote Originally Posted by trumpdown View Post
    So traders will have the option of providing alternative spreads? Will alternative spreads be open Live in-play? Or will a new number be open Live in-play offering more than a single spread?
    The mindset we hope to engender with respect to alternate spreads is that all numbers (within a reasonable range of linearity) are just different manifestations of the same underlying product, albeit with varying risk characteristics.

    Our software aims to make dealing across many such linked markets a straightforward and easily managed process that may be accomplished with minimal marginal effort.

    Of course the success of this particular feature will ultimately depend on the willingness of market makers and other professionals to subscribe to this modality, particularly in light of the added risk it will generally imply. But given that traders are free to define risk premiums as they so choose, we feel confident that this represents a question not of if but rather of when.

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    Is there any reason for the need to open individual markets after Viewing an individual event?

    The example in the tutorial has 3 markets for the Chicago Bulls at Miami Heat .. +4.5, PK, 188 .. This requires an additional 3 clicks of the mouse to view all markets available for that event .. More clicks are necessary if the line/total changes .. Tonight's Connecticut game has seven markets available.

    Wouldn't it make more sense to show ALL markets for an individual event after selecting the View?

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    The less clicks the better in any gambling software

    Ganch make it happen

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    Quote Originally Posted by unclebuzz1 View Post
    Is there any reason for the need to open individual markets after Viewing an individual event?

    ...

    Wouldn't it make more sense to show ALL markets for an individual event after selecting the View?
    Good suggestion.

    The only reason why ALL markets aren't show on the event header click is b/c, as you noted, there may be quite a few markets, and opening them all by default would take up valuable real estate, creating the opposite problem, namely that of neding to click each undesired market closed.

    Perhaps a halfway solution (which I'll implement on a trial basis shortly) would be to display all markets on the click of the team names.

    It would still require 2 clicks to view all the markets, but until we can implement a more general solution that might be the best compromise.

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    OK, ask and ye shall receive (sort of).

    After opening an individual event, clicking on either team name will now open up all the market views (or close them if all are already open. Not exactly what you were looking for, buzz, but hopefully better than nothing.

    Let em know what you think and please keep the feedback coming. .


    N.B., you'd need to do a hard browser refresh in order for the new JavaScript to load ... that or wait for it to expire out of your cache.

    Hard Refresh:
    Firefox: CTRL+SHIFT+R
    IE/Chrome: CTRL+F5
    Safari: SHIFT+Click Reload.
    Last edited by Ganchrow; 03-24-11 at 08:01 PM.

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    I think your solution of one additional click is an excellent compromise over 3 or more clicks ... it works well.

    I'm not familiar enough with JavaScript to understand your last comment .. are you saying that opening all markets at once would work differently than opening individual markets? .. or are you saying that it does NOT refresh markets automatically? If so, wouldn't this be a must for in-play trading? .. or are you saying something else?

    Regardless, I don't think the hard browser refresh works as you expected it would, as it returns to the previous page where you must once again choose which Event you want to View (at least that's what I'm seeing).

    Overall, I'm very excited to be a part of all this .. Thank you ... UB
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    Quote Originally Posted by unclebuzz1 View Post
    I think your solution of one additional click is an excellent compromise over 3 or more clicks ... it works well.
    Better than 3 or more clicks, no doubt, but you and JJ are right ... it should only take a single click.

    But the issue in this case, as with so many other of these user interface ("UI") annoyances isn't a question of can we do, but rather how best should we do it?

    We're not quite sure yet ... but we'll figure something out eventually.

    We've stared bugeyed at this interface for so long, that sometimes we just can't help but miss the small things. But the The better our understanding of what really pisses people off

    Quote Originally Posted by unclebuzz1 View Post
    I'm not familiar enough with JavaScript to understand your last comment .. are you saying that opening all markets at once would work differently than opening individual markets? .. or are you saying that it does NOT refresh markets automatically? If so, wouldn't this be a must for in-play markets? .. or are you saying something else?
    Actually, something else.

    I was just saying that if all the markets for a given event were already open (i.e., displayed) and you were to click the team name, then rather than having no effect, on a whim I just coded it to do something, namely close all the market views. It's a toggle switch -- clicking the first time would show all the undisplayed open markets, clicking again would then close them. It's stupid. It's just a programmer thing.

    To be clear, all open market views update live (every few seconds, actually). If the view is open ... it's uodating. You can tell when a request is being made by looking at the logo at the top left corner of the screen. When it's highlighted with those red and green accents, that means an AJAX request is either underway, or has completed and the response is being processed by your browser. (One documented feature of the software is that by double clicking on the spread or total to the left of the market view you can force a manual update. That's really just a relic from early development.)

    In addition, every server response to a (logged in) request for a market update also returns any new fills and/or changes to your open orders. That happens live, too, for every market, whether open or closed. Same deal with the 4 summary dollar on the header.

    Quote Originally Posted by unclebuzz1 View Post
    Regardless, I don't think the hard browser refresh works as you expected it would, as it returns to the previous page where you must once again choose which Event you want to View (at least that's what I'm seeing).
    The reason I had suggested a hard refresh was to make sure that your browser was reading the latest version of the JavaScript from the server rather than just using an older cached copy. If you hadn't done a hard refresh you might not have immediately seen those changes. By doing a "hard refresh" you're (more or less) clearing your cache for that particular domain.

    Quote Originally Posted by unclebuzz1 View Post
    Overall, I'm very excited to be a part of all this .. thank you ... UB
    And thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganchrow View Post
    8. Ability to view not only individual fills per market, but also fills grouped by price, by side, as well as net position across an entire market. A proof of concept-type version of the latter can be found at http://www.xmexchange.com/static/html/net_fills.html. (Player must be logged in to use it, the software is unofficial, unsupported, and only mentioned here because so many players have asked for it).
    A baby step ahead of this proof of concept, features in-window access to the (now sortable) Net Fills table.

    It's unstyled and appears as an overlay (which means you click anywhere outside the table to close it). Not pretty but at least its readily accessible.

    So anyway, clicking the "Filled" label/figure in the header row will now brings up your position summary. Sort by clicking the headers.

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    Where is the money going to come from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganchrow View Post
    OK, ask and ye shall receive (sort of).

    After opening an individual event, clicking on either team name will now open up all the market views (or close them if all are already open. Not exactly what you were looking for, buzz, but hopefully better than nothing.

    Let em know what you think and please keep the feedback coming. .


    N.B., you'd need to do a hard browser refresh in order for the new JavaScript to load ... that or wait for it to expire out of your cache.

    Hard Refresh:
    Firefox: CTRL+SHIFT+R
    IE/Chrome: CTRL+F5
    Safari: SHIFT+Click Reload.
    This was my biggest issue with the software... Would be nice if a similar feature could be put in place to open all markets of all listed events as there is still going to be alot of clicking if you want to monitor most/all available games...

    Personally I would rather have all numbers listed and go close certain games manually then have to go through and open them all events individually... Maybe a button could be added somewhere to open and minimize all available markets?

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    Thanks for the feedback Herbie ... I definitely hear what you're saying.

    My biggest concern with a single button to display all markets at once would be, (especially given very large number of markets) the negative impact it would have on immediate browser performance.

    Now that doesn't mean that we can't come up with a better, less browser-intensive solution, or that we couldn't add so,e sort of summary view, but that's wanted where we stand at the current instant in time.

    I think it really comes down to navigation. The feedback we've been getting about the navigation is that while people tend to like it in general, a quicker, more means efficient of accessing specific events/markets needs to implemented as do more much broader options for persistent view customization.

    We're on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganchrow View Post
    8) Ability to view not only individual fills per market, but also fills grouped by price, by side, as well as net position across an entire market.
    9) Ability to sort fills ... not only by market side, but also ... risk/win across markets, fill time
    I just wanted to mention that we have successfully implemented the above. Thanks to all the people who whose comments and criticism along these these lines got us moving in the right direction.

    So ... if you do a hard refresh of your the browser on the XMExchange page (basically clearing your cache for the exchange page, as described above), you'll notice that within the header of the "Filled Orders" widget, 3 tabs now exist.

    These tabs present the player 3 different modes for viewing filled orders (all updated live, of course):
    1. By Market -- This is the default view and previously the only view available. It lists all markets in which the player, the display of which can be toggled on/off, and each can be reordered by simply dragging/dropping within the widget. As new fills arrive from the server they're added to the appropriated location within the widget and briefly highlighted.
    2. By Time -- This view lists all fills ordered by the time executed, with most recent fills listed first. Fills are categorized by day, and players can toggle the view of each day on/off. What I find kind of cool is that even if the current day view is hidden, as long as the widget is open new fills will briefly appear highlighted so as to provide a visual cue as to market activity.
    3. Positions -- This view displays fills as net position values for each market. It summarizes your current standing within each market (across both sides), displaying total risk and win amount, average price, and any risk-free trading P&L achieved. All of these items may be sorted within the table by clicking on the column header. And of of course any changes to a player's net market position will be briefly highlighted as they arrive from the server. All

    Anyway, there still are probably some lingering graphics/animation bugs, but functionality-wise it should be clean. But please let us know if anything appeasr amiss.

    And of course any and all feedback on any exchange-related topic would be most appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganchrow View Post
    11) The ability to queue multiple orders for eventual simultaneous submission. Enter the orders now but then submit them all at once later, Matchbook has of course had this for a while … but our players will be able to do this over any number of disparate markets and events.
    This item has been in place in place for several days now.

    With each orders placed, a confirmation box appears on the right side of the screen. Confirmations may be queued up and sent off at once, or can be confirmed or rejected one-by-one. To save space, individual confirm dialogs can be minimized within the queue.

    There are still a few small known issues with this however, notably with smaller screen.

    If you find yourself with many boxes queued up so that they run down the height of your entire window, you won't be able to get at the lower dialogs or the confirm all/reject all button. The current work around would be to minimize, confirm, or reject a few bets individually until additional screen is is freed. Anyway this is a known issue and we're working on it.

    Shortly, the confirm panel will be able to be optionally hidden at the side of the screen, or repositioned as desired (including a horizontal layout) and confirm boxes grouped/accepted/rejected by market.

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    I really think the default behaviour when clicking an orange box to modify the order should be that it is populated with your current order, rather than assuming you want to enter a new one. There are plenty of other places to click to enter a new order...

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    Really glad to see the API support at the bottom. Kind of scared that you're going to help so many people as it removes my edge . I think you talked about this in the format of the site, but I'd love to be able to see all my open offers. This is useful for when I placed offers up and want to check on the ones that aren't filled and maybe adjust their prices to get them filled.

    All the best and can't wait to use this!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santo View Post
    I really think the default behaviour when clicking an orange box to modify the order should be that it is populated with your current order, rather than assuming you want to enter a new one. There are plenty of other places to click to enter a new order...
    Well here's a bit of a halfway solution I just put in place as a bit of a trial balloon.

    Click the the quantity within the orange cell and default behavior will be to modify the first order you have at that price Click elsewhere and default is a new sell order (i.e., unchanged).

    In either case of course, the initially selected action can still be modified by using the tab menu below.

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    too much damn writing going on here

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    Guys find a layout you like from exchange site and maybe Ganch can incorporate some if it with his stuff

    Players loving seeing lots of data on one screen so they can make their betting decisions

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    Ganch .. I'm referring to the tutorial where it displays the in-line order entry form after clicking on the (-112) cell .. I'd like to suggest a default position of the Odds (-112) and have the ability to enter a value without the need to manually erase whatever is already there .. This should also happen when you move to the Risking or To Win boxes .. In a side issue, entering a value in either the Risking or To Win box automatically fills in the other one only when using the mouse wheel (it doesn't work if you type in a value) .. thanks .. UB

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    Quote Originally Posted by unclebuzz1 View Post
    Ganch .. I'm referring to the tutorial where it displays the in-line order entry form after clicking on the (-112) cell .. I'd like to suggest a default position of the Odds (-112) and have the ability to enter a value without the need to manually erase whatever is already there
    Done.

    Quote Originally Posted by unclebuzz1 View Post
    This should also happen when you move to the Risking or To Win boxes
    The reason this doesn't occur by default when clicking into a cell is so that minor corrections may more readily be made with a 1 or 2 character mouse selection. (And remember that yo ucdan still use the up/down, page up/pagedn keys as well).

    But double clicking a cell WILL select its entire contents, as will using to cycle forward through the cells and SHIFT+ to cycle backwards. You can also TAB over to the Buy or Sell buttons and then effectively "click" using SPACE or ENTER. (ESC, by the way, will close the order entry completely).

    Quote Originally Posted by unclebuzz1 View Post
    entering a value in either the Risking or To Win box automatically fills in the other one only when using the mouse wheel (it doesn't work if you type in a value)
    Actually, this is indicative of an annoying peculiarity that exists across all the major browsers (last I checked). Without getting into any technical details, the risk or (win) quantities only get marked 'changed' when hitting the ENTER key, or when clicking or tabbing outside the box (i.e., when the “text box loses focus”. This would include clicking either of the BUY/SELL buttons, so if you were to enter a price and win quantity and then click BUY, the risk quantity would in fact be filled in (you can verify this in the confirmation dialog). But basically, if you just want to see the win/risk conversion you can just hit TAB or ENTER.


    As always many thanks for the feedback,
    Ganch.

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    The matchbook software does calculate as you type; but I guess you're trying to avoid using the javascript/whatever implementation they are?

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    Also I assume/hope that in the final release there will be an option to skip the 2-stage submit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santo View Post
    The matchbook software does calculate as you type; but I guess you're trying to avoid using the javascript/whatever implementation they are?
    Actually Matchbook used a different event ... specifically they recalculated with each key press.


    Simple to accomplish, but personally I always found it rather annoying, You can try it on this site by entering in a value in either of the win or risk box for the "Will VCU Win the Title?" event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santo View Post
    Also I assume/hope that in the final release there will be an option to skip the 2-stage submit?
    Of course

    We could have that done for you in 4 minutes flat ... it'd just be a matter of where we positioned and in what manner styled the skip-confirm element on the screen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santo View Post
    The matchbook software does calculate as you type; but I guess you're trying to avoid using the javascript/whatever implementation they are?
    Yes, Ganch, I was asking for it to work just like Matchbook (MB). I didn't know if I could/should use their name or if you would be familiar with MB.
    If you're taking a poll, I would vote for the computation with each keystroke as it would eliminate the two extra mouse clicks/enter/tab/whatever if you find that you want to re-enter a higher/lower Risk/Win to get the Risk/Win that you're looking for.
    FYI .. My middle suggestion was made because I was trying to cheat and use IE8. There, it fills in a default value of $0.00 rather than a blank cell. I've learned my lesson and will be using Firefox from now on. Thanks, UB

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    Ganch I am getting pressure by anxious posters wanting this product to go live for real money

    make it happen soon

    Well guys at least we know with Ganch around you guys will have lots of input on software and tweaks you want implemented to suit you

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    Quote Originally Posted by unclebuzz1 View Post
    I would vote for the computation with each keystroke as it would eliminate the two extra mouse clicks/enter/tab/whatever if you find that you want to re-enter a higher/lower Risk/Win to get the Risk/Win that you're looking for.
    Done. All risk/win boxes all markets.

    Once we get our settings page up we'll make that among the configurable options. Personally, I find it annoying ... bu hey it's more up to you than me.

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    Ganch make sure user has lots of options in his settings pages, unlike the average garbage books

    Decimal, American, fraction odds options also
    Also odds converters built in

    down the road...implement real time scoring, matchup info

    Ganch a good clever book finds ways to keep customer on site other than to bet

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    I've just included the option to modify couple of simple settings, specifically: Odds Type (currently just US/Decimal), and Order Confirmation Type (currently just All/None').

    To get to the settings just click the Exchange Logo at the top left.

    Very ugly, but this is actually more of a proof of concept for the fron end implementation of Decimal odds than anything else.

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