[thechaoz]

Should I be worried about a substantial balance in wagerchief? They have always been pretty quick on the monthly free ** but I have not really played their since the NFL season. Also the limit is $800 or so as I've never attempted a wire (if that is an option).

[katstale]

BP has a lot of upside. Maybe its just coincidental but when their charismatic bookmaker Fernando passed away last year it seemed they never recovered from an operational sense.

I'm sure they don't care but my two cents are they should hire or promote a hands on assistant to Richard because Richard can be quite difficult to contact at times. And two; hire Sylvia who is a customer service manager pro with a long track record in Costa Rica or someone like her. The bottomline is the head guy is stable but not really a day to day operations guy. They do biz in Asia and run the EOG and quite a few other projects. They are just too thin and it shows at BP.

I can confirm they are getting rid of the 105. I was hit last week when I requested a payout. Also suffered further limits down to 150 per game. Richard was cordial and available. He (BP) has always treated me fairly and i got the impression this was an owner decision. ( I also have 15 second delay)

I have had a nice 2 year run at BP and will keep a small balance there in deference to
Richard. If he ever leaves--I withdraw all the next day.

[bigugly]

Getting rid of -105 for you might not mean they are getting rid of it for everyone. It will be interesting to see what happens.

Overall the news on this thread does not make me think betphoenix is in trouble, but I will be paying careful attention over the next few months to see what happens here.

[RichardGeorge]

This book is a joke... always has been.


I remember when i made 2000 worth of bets on Lyon in the Champions League last year.

It won... i log on that night and my limits were reduced... Icalled them back and asked them wtf happened. They said we dont trust you... your american betting on lyon... you cant be trusted.... blah blah blah.

So there reasoning for cutting me was that Im an American that bet on soccer? wtf?

[pokerplayer22]

Ive noticed that its getting to be like musical chairs with their reps there. I cant believe how much hiring and firing goes on at this joint. The only employee that seems to have remained constant there is Phil, who might be the biggest jerk in this industry.

[ArunSh]

They seem reputable in general, but they hate anyone who wins, no matter how they do it. I suppose it's their right to allow who they want to play there as long as they pay, but I have a hard time favoring a book who can't accept a winner. Vegas won't throw anyone out cause they happen to go on a lucky streak at the Blackjack table..

[Nicky Santoro]

The only employee that seems to have remained constant there is Phil, who might be the biggest jerk in this industry.

omg, and i thought i was the only one that thought this. phil was the 1st guy i dealt with there and i hated his attitude. he had such an attitude problem with me. so many times he's yelled at me and a few times he slammed the phone on me.

May i recommend a guy named Fred there. He's the CS mgr...helluva nice guy and very courteous and professional. alwys polite and treats you good, unlike this phil guy. i didn't even know phil still worked there. i haven't heard him answer any phone in 1.5 yrs. Deal with Fred instead, great guy. Phil was very rude to me.

[Naz18]

hmmm this is pretty interesting....

[JohnnyC]

YES, i too have 20 cent lines in NCAAB and NHL.. always have. but i always had reduced juice in NBA from the beginning of time.. and now it's all 20 cent lines... no one is giving me an answer why. and i am not even playing steam.. i am only playing value, and they know this already. richie and fred promised me they'd never take it off as long as i keep doing what i'm doing.. i was doing this still, and now it reads 20 cent ines in NBA..

Richie boy, what do you want me to do with that garbage 20 cent line. richie, this is not 1985.. Richie, i have not played into a 20 cent line since the mid 80's...the last time i played into a 20 cent line was 1985.. my fav group was WHAM and Duran Duran..richie boy, put back that 10 cent line in nba or i'm coming on the next flight to C.R. to kick your ass..

Cmon Nicky, you play at -110 shops, but what Richie did to you here is brutal. It's brutal but totally in line with the way he runs this hack shop. They are brutal with ewallet payouts, never again play with them until the smooth out the operations, if ever.

[Foosball Champ]

Betmania is part of betphoenix and they took 8 weeks to get me a check. requested a check october first and received it the monday after thanksgiving. they should be a D rating. no question about it.

[Intuitive_Edge]

Betmania is part of betphoenix and they took 8 weeks to get me a check. requested a check october first and received it the monday after thanksgiving. they should be a D rating. no question about it.

WTF. 2 months

[lukahh]

looks like SBR is distancing itself from Betphoenix...

[pokerplayer22]

omg, and i thought i was the only one that thought this. phil was the 1st guy i dealt with there and i hated his attitude. he had such an attitude problem with me. so many times he's yelled at me and a few times he slammed the phone on me.

May i recommend a guy named Fred there. He's the CS mgr...helluva nice guy and very courteous and professional. alwys polite and treats you good, unlike this phil guy. i didn't even know phil still worked there. i haven't heard him answer any phone in 1.5 yrs. Deal with Fred instead, great guy. Phil was very rude to me.

A few weeks ago Phil went off on one of his tantrums on me...so much so that i withdrew all my funds and closed my acct. A few days later I did get a call from Fred appologizing for Phil's yelling and crying, and yes I agree, Fred seemed very nice. Wont be going back though until Phily boy is gone.

[BigdaddyQH]

All of these posts and everything that is happening to BP is a warning sign. They are not stable. They will do anything to hide their problems. It sounds like it is bailout time for those of you who have money in this book, or any of it's affiliates.

[pokerplayer22]

All of these posts and everything that is happening to BP is a warning sign. They are not stable. They will do anything to hide their problems. It sounds like it is bailout time for those of you who have money in this book, or any of it's affiliates.

Agree

[Counterfeit Cash]

Yeah, I haven't put any money into Phoenix yet, but i'm very wary of doing so at this point...seems like a pretty big risk nowadays.

[geebert74]

So I guess the million dollar question is, Am I ok playing here? I do not have a big bankroll here. I am strictly a recreational gambler. I can't see myself getting limited with the size of my bets that I make.

I like their site and the functionally of it. So because of that and the reduced juice, that is why I deposited there recently.

[yisman]

nothing you can do about that now.

I'd advise not depositing further funds, but if you're already funded, you just play and pray.

[BettingGeek]

Holy shit

If I have $200. Can I be SBR PRO?

[BettingGeek]

If I deposit $200 at BetPhoenix today. Am I eligible to be PRO?

[playersonly69]

Why on earth would you deposit at betphoenix????



Also, you dont have to just deposit $200. You can deposit more if you would like.


Just send the money to 5dimes and stop wasting time

[DBurton81]

BP can suck my balls! Those guys have stolen money from so many people!

[jjgold]

I would never play at an operation like that

I play at the top books

[szk1983]

don't quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure they are no longer a sponsor.

[BettingGeek]

don't quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure they are no longer a sponsor.

JJGold, can you get someone to confirm this?

[StraitShooter]

Guess Im in the minority

I dont rate them for bailing from the free plays. How often did you expect them to bend over and give free plays to little johnny and his ghost who would not send them a dime EVER!..The non pro ghost fuked it up for us common guys

All I want from Bet Pheonix is to send them a $25 deposit, build it to 2oo bucks and have them pay me the same day or next

some of the lengthy payout delays are guys who took 30 day hold required bonuses

Kudos to them and wagerchief for all the free plays they gave us guys until they had so many hemorrhoids they had to say no mas

any average joe like me still get paid the same day or next with an actual cash deposit?

If you never sent em a dime and cashed out 5-15 free plays I could see why they may slow pay you

[yisman]

JJGold, can you get someone to confirm this?

You're trolling/joking, right?

They haven't been a sponsor since early February, I think. Certainly not in the past few weeks.

[dikefale]

I feel little bad for players who has their money at BP. All this thing happening last few month give us wright to think that BP is in some deep sheet.

[HedgeHog]

BP was never a B+ Book and almost everyone knew it. SBR finally "figured it out" too when the ad money dried up. Not worth playing there anymore--not worth the risk.

[hhsilver]

BP can suck my balls! Those guys have stolen money from so many people!

Do we know this? I doubt it. With all the griping lately I have yet to see anything posted about "stolen money".

A couple weeks ago I had a smooth withdrawal. At first there was a snag concerning the no fee check I requested, but it was quickly addressed and handled well. Fred, who Nicky praised above, was a great help in getting things taken care of.

I still have money there and have no concerns about it.

[katstale]

Do we know this? I doubt it. With all the griping lately I have yet to see anything posted about "stolen money".

A couple weeks ago I had a smooth withdrawal. At first there was a snag concerning the no fee check I requested, but it was quickly addressed and handled well. Fred, who Nicky praised above, was a great help in getting things taken care of.

I still have money there and have no concerns about it.

Agree, as I posted earlier. I am only reducing my balance there because no way I can get it all in with my restrictions. I know of no one stiffed. slow paid obviously, but stiffed NO! I am still convinced they have plenty in their roll.

[Bill Dozer]

Players haven't been cheated or stiffed. These terms get thrown around easily anytime there is a delay.

[Jonah]

omg, and i thought i was the only one that thought this. phil was the 1st guy i dealt with there and i hated his attitude. he had such an attitude problem with me. so many times he's yelled at me and a few times he slammed the phone on me.

May i recommend a guy named Fred there. He's the CS mgr...helluva nice guy and very courteous and professional. alwys polite and treats you good, unlike this phil guy. i didn't even know phil still worked there. i haven't heard him answer any phone in 1.5 yrs. Deal with Fred instead, great guy. Phil was very rude to me.

[HedgeHog]

I would never play at an operation like that

I play at the top books

A month ago, when the ad $$$ were coming in, you weren't allowed to say this about BP. You're SBR's asswipe.

[king]

I am happy with them and they have payed on time. I never had problem's as some of you are saying.