1. 02-28-11 10:29 PM #71
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    Still better then boxing.
    I love MMA.
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  2. 02-28-11 10:31 PM #72
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    Guys, the fighters are so far superior than even 5 years ago is why the fights are boring. It is an inevitable evolution that the ground game will dominate, therefore, everyone worth his salt has a ground game and the stand up fights are diminishing. We need rule changes if anything. To say the fighters are getting worse is ridiculous. These fighters are tactical not just tough but that equates to a much more cerebral but less exciting fight.
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  3. 02-28-11 11:33 PM #73
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    Quote Originally Posted by yurnero View Post
    there are many good fighters and they are fairly entertaining, but there are only a very small handful of elite fighters that i would actually be willing to pay money to see (silva, GSP) and a few others that are not as elite but very entertaining (brock, vintage iceman), and currently i am also willing to pay for jon jones, the hype machine's got me the problem really is that they are having a UFC match every month and a lot of the fights just are lame. though they are very good fighters, they are not elite and tend to not be as entertaining, like lil wayne the UFC is watered down now and not what it once was though every now and then, you get a great match
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    This is a great analogy. Lil wayne. Pure oversaturation of the market.
    they have 7 weight divisons i'd say around 15 fighters in each, who need to fight about 3 times a year. Thats alot of fights they have to put on, not all of them can be Griffin/Bonnar

    this "oversaturation" is the only reason you even know of Jon Jones right now. If they had fewer events a guy like Jones who had less than 2 years fighting experience at the time, would never get a shot in the UFC at this time

    If they have 2 events a month so what, who dosn't watch 24 baseball, football basketball games in a year.
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  4. 02-28-11 11:51 PM #74
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    I hate to say it...but the matchmaking is really hurting the UFC...so are the main events they are using.
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  5. 02-28-11 11:59 PM #75
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    Quote Originally Posted by THE_LOCKSMITH View Post
    they have 7 weight divisons i'd say around 15 fighters in each, who need to fight about 3 times a year. Thats alot of fights they have to put on, not all of them can be Griffin/Bonnar

    this "oversaturation" is the only reason you even know of Jon Jones right now. If they had fewer events a guy like Jones who had less than 2 years fighting experience at the time, would never get a shot in the UFC at this time

    If they have 2 events a month so what, who dosn't watch 24 baseball, football basketball games in a year.
    Exactly. There would be no new stars and the sport would die off. Not to mention that a new guy wouldn't be able to support himself and train correctly on one fight a year (with much lower sponsorship money due to him never being on tv I will add).
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  6. 03-01-11 03:33 AM #76
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poppa Catfish View Post
    Exactly. There would be no new stars and the sport would die off. Not to mention that a new guy wouldn't be able to support himself and train correctly on one fight a year (with much lower sponsorship money due to him never being on tv I will add).
    And more importantly we'd have less fights to bet on!
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  7. 03-01-11 03:51 AM #77
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaughany View Post
    And more importantly we'd have less fights to bet on!
    Most of these trolls don't actually bet on fights, bro. Bad point
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  8. 03-01-11 04:31 AM #78
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    It wasnt bad of a fight night IMO, the under cards really made it out of the main event so cant really complain.
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  9. 03-01-11 04:34 AM #79
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poppa Catfish View Post
    Most of these trolls don't actually bet on fights, bro. Bad point
    ha shit yeah, gd point!
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  10. 03-01-11 06:01 AM #80
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaughany View Post
    And more importantly we'd have less fights to bet on!
    Between all the different organizations there would still be plenty of fights to bet on. And would be easier to cap imo. Less fights to focus on.
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  11. 03-01-11 07:01 AM #81
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    Wouldn't reducing the number of events to have the biggest fights possible just increase the amount of training time these guys get, and thus further the problem you all are apparently have with stalemate draws and wars of attrition in the octagon?

    Really if you have a problem with the way fights are fought, then you have to change the rules.
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  12. 03-01-11 07:21 AM #82
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    Quote Originally Posted by ttrace35 View Post
    Between all the different organizations there would still be plenty of fights to bet on. And would be easier to cap imo. Less fights to focus on.
    err that goes both ways there champ. Less fights for the bookmakers to have to cap as well, less undercard fights where the books have it completely wrong, far less angles to attack the books. Assuredly, this is a bad thing
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  13. 03-01-11 08:01 AM #83
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    Quote Originally Posted by ttrace35 View Post
    Between all the different organizations there would still be plenty of fights to bet on. And would be easier to cap imo. Less fights to focus on.
    What, 1 strikeforce event a month if lucky, 1 shark fights/mfc every couple months? Moreover, dont get prop bets for these cards apart from main event and main card on a big strikeforce card (which is once every 3 months or sumin)...would suck balls!
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  14. 03-01-11 08:26 AM #84
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    old people like their events spaced 4 months apart, and their "tournaments" lasting 2-4 years.

    Shit, maybe Strikeforce should have called this the Heavyweight Olympics
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  15. 03-01-11 08:41 AM #85
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    too many fights, same ol stuff. a few fighters are fun to watch but im not as hyped about fights as i use to be. still enjoy watching them, drinking with some buddies, bbqin
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  16. 03-01-11 08:48 AM #86
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordan23 View Post
    I don't think the UFC is getting boring. I think it's all about the matchmaking. If you put 2 guys in there who love to stand and bang then you're probably going to get an exciting fight. If you get someone in there who is intent on grinding out decisions then it might be boring. We need better matchmaking. I really believe Joe Silva is losing his touch.

    I never thought he had it (Silva). Most overrated guy in sports. CB Dollaway against Mark Munoz. Who wants to see two wrestlers go at it? And this fight made the main card and then u see Palahres/Branch on the undercard . That fight should be ten times better than Dollaway/Munoz
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  17. 03-01-11 08:53 AM #87
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    They need to bring in some real martial artists with legitimate black belts that can really fight instead of college wrestlers and construction workers. LOL
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  18. 03-01-11 09:33 AM #88
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thor4140 View Post
    I never thought he had it (Silva). Most overrated guy in sports. CB Dollaway against Mark Munoz. Who wants to see two wrestlers go at it? And this fight made the main card and then u see Palahres/Branch on the undercard . That fight should be ten times better than Dollaway/Munoz
    Maynard vs Edgar 2 was a fight between two perceived wrestlers... how did tht turn out?
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  19. 03-01-11 09:35 AM #89
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    I hope Anderson Silva fights Georges St-Pierre before 2011 is up.
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  20. 03-01-11 09:55 AM #90
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poppa Catfish View Post
    old people like their events spaced 4 months apart, and their "tournaments" lasting 2-4 years.

    Shit, maybe Strikeforce should have called this the Heavyweight Olympics
    Why keep hating on strikeforce? Its free. If Dana didn't have this bullshit card on ppv, I'm sure the op wouldn't have started this thread. Strikeforce has been putting on better, more exciting shows in the past year or so. Its a fact.
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  21. 03-01-11 10:03 AM #91
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    Last time I checked Showtime wasn't free
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  22. 03-01-11 10:05 AM #92
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaughany View Post
    What, 1 strikeforce event a month if lucky, 1 shark fights/mfc every couple months? Moreover, dont get prop bets for these cards apart from main event and main card on a big strikeforce card (which is once every 3 months or sumin)...would suck balls!
    I see your point. As far as having something to bet. I bet other sports so that satisfies my craving. I'm just sick of Dana trying to rape the people with these bullshit events on ppv. Also. You guys are killing me. Making it seem like you guys are betting major bucks. You guys bet $10 - $20 bucks a fight. You and catfish make it seem like you are making serious money because of these events.
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  23. 03-01-11 10:10 AM #93
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    Would you look at the big spender who is bitching about a $50 ppv
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    The spiders kick to the face was bad ass.
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  25. 03-01-11 10:15 AM #95
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poppa Catfish View Post
    Would you look at the big spender who is bitching about a $50 ppv
    I didn't say I was a big spender. But you guys are hilarious. Making it seem like your betting real money. This is just recreational to you guys. If they had less fights, just up your bets to 40 - 50 bucks and you'll be fine. I have every sports package and my directv bill is $250 - $300 every month. Why pay extra $50 for nonsense. I'd rather bet the $50 than watching the bullshit.
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  26. 03-01-11 10:19 AM #96
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    Quote Originally Posted by ttrace35 View Post
    I see your point. As far as having something to bet. I bet other sports so that satisfies my craving. I'm just sick of Dana trying to rape the people with these bullshit events on ppv. Also. You guys are killing me. Making it seem like you guys are betting major bucks. You guys bet $10 - $20 bucks a fight. You and catfish make it seem like you are making serious money because of these events.
    It's all about what u make in relation to what u stake tho Trace...I've made over 100% from my original bankroll in space of 6 months. Just because somebody bets $1000 rather than $100 on a fight doesnt mean they are a better gambler or going to make more money in the long run. All depends on ur style of betting, I look for arbs and admittedly conservative. Moreover, I had over a grand at stake for MFC, BAMMA, and 127 at the wknd anyway!
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  27. 03-01-11 10:20 AM #97
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    So 10-20 bucks isn't serious money, but $50 puts you into the poor house, you can't have it both ways. And you have no clue what I bet on MMA, so by all means continue to comment away, as always its good for laughs.

    I do have to laugh at the fact that you don't have enough friends to pitch in, usually I only pay 5-10, or its completely free (well free-ish since I pay the through the ******* roof gym fees)

    poor Tracey
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poppa Catfish View Post
    So 10-20 bucks isn't serious money, but $50 puts you into the poor house, you can't have it both ways. And you have no clue what I bet on MMA, so by all means continue to comment away, as always its good for laughs.

    I do have to laugh at the fact that you don't have enough friends to pitch in, usually I only pay 5-10, or its completely free (well free-ish since I pay the through the ******* roof gym fees)

    poor Tracey
    What are you talking about? I didn't say $50 puts me in the poor house. Doesn't mean I'm just giving away. I'm going to bones/shogun at $160 a ticket. So don't talk to me about money. Just because I'm no fool to pay $50 for penn fitch, doesn't mean I have money issues. And I don't need anybody to chip in. Your just being stupid because you now realize that there are a bunch of people that feel just like me. I didn't start this thread.
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  29. 03-01-11 10:32 AM #99
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    I still love it. More entertaining than boxing
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  30. 03-01-11 11:28 PM #100
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    yeah boxing blows
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  31. 03-01-11 11:41 PM #101
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaughany View Post
    Maynard vs Edgar 2 was a fight between two perceived wrestlers... how did tht turn out?
    Usually when two wrestlers fight, the wrestling cancels out and they trade bombs.
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  32. 03-02-11 12:07 AM #102
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jakesteen View Post
    They need to bring in some real martial artists with legitimate black belts that can really fight instead of college wrestlers and construction workers. LOL
    they do... but they just lose to the wrestlers.



    the state of mma just needs to change. as people develop better TDD in response to the increasing Lnp/Gnp, we'll see more standup.

    the whole thing is cyclical. just wait it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ttrace35 View Post
    I didn't say I was a big spender. But you guys are hilarious. Making it seem like your betting real money. This is just recreational to you guys. If they had less fights, just up your bets to 40 - 50 bucks and you'll be fine. I have every sports package and my directv bill is $250 - $300 every month. Why pay extra $50 for nonsense. I'd rather bet the $50 than watching the bullshit.
    there are people out there who WILL spend 50$ on fitch/penn. just because its not worth it to you doesnt mean you ahve the right to speak for everyone. dont buy it! then UFC ppv numbers will fall and if enough people feel the same way as you do, then the ufc will realize there are too many cards and need to cut some back.

    i personally will gladly pay 55$ (for HD) each and every time.
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  34. 03-02-11 12:18 AM #104
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    Way too much decisions now a days. Strikers are a dying breed in the UFC.
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  35. 03-02-11 12:22 AM #105
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    Some fights are yea...I only like watching guys like Jones/Silva/Rampage/Rua/Edgar/Velasquez/Brock etc...i hate guys that lay and pray for decisions.
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