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This coming from the guy who said he'd expect rich people to be fatter than poor people because they have more money to buy food.
That is the most ignorant opinion I've ever seen someone have in my entire life. It is a 3 year old's logic. If you are older than 3, you are behind the curve, pal.
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Unemployment 12%, try 7% the day he took office. By '82 it went up to nearly 10% http://www.presidentreagan.info/unemployment.cfm
Home loans rates 25%, try 16% http://vagabondsandvillians.wordpres...nterest-rates/
One auto company was in real trouble the others weren't doing great but they weren't knocking on the Oval Office door looking for a hand out either.
I have no illusions that Obama is great but he was handed a much larger shit sandwich then Reagan. Reagan upped the debt and deficit. He also increased taxes when it became obvious it was the right thing to do. Reagan had the luxury of having adults in the opposing party to work with rather then cry babies who would bitch if he found a cure for cancer. That's really not new with Obama, Bush and Clinton had much the same problems, seems to get worse every election. I have no reason to believe Romney will enjoy any bi-partisan work environment.Comment -
If FEDS weren't reading this forum, I would post what Obama deserves.Comment -
The thing is that if you vote for a republican, he will spend 4 years altering Obama's policies. Nothing will be accomplished.
Why do you think so many presidents serve 2 terms. Not because they are great, but because of the aforementioned.Cause Sleep is the Cousin of DeathComment -
The point is Reagan in fact did inherit much worse and turned it around by uniting all of us. He reached across party lines an enacted legislation that stopped inflation, brought down rates and put the country back to work. Sound familiar? It should. Obama promised to unite us, cut unemployment and cut wasteful government spending AND lower taxes. Has he united us? I won't even ask about unemployment or the deficit. He is slowly destroying the Democratic party. In 140 days they will lose the Senate to go along with the losing the House 18 months ago. IF he is elected the Demo will lose even more seats in 14. You will sink with Obama because he is over matched and has no answers.Comment -
Obamanomics isn't working. It is stifling the economy. His regulatory policies and pending obamacare have deterred most companies from hiring. Starting a small business in this country is almost impossible with obama and his hundreds of new restricting laws.
Obama is doing exactly what he said he was going to do. He is redistributing wealth, growing government jobs while shrinking the private sector.Comment -
And this liberal joker calls me delusional?99.95% of people who have experienced healthcare service in the UK and then in the US will pick the UK healthcare system every single time ...
Socialized medicine works great as long as you never get seriously ill and if you never get seriously ill, who the hell needs socialized medicine?
No matter what liberal blowhards like JW claim, switching our current system to a socialized one will have a huge negative effect on the 85% of us who work hard and have medical insurance.
Crushing the hard working middle class to improve the quality of medical care for the remaining 15% who produce nothing but consume so much is an act of lunacy.
Ask anyone who is forced to live under a socialized medical care system who is seriously ill and does NOT know the right people what its like getting the continued medical care they need. They might say its OK because having to wait 2 years for the procedures they need is all they know.
JW is dead wrong about socialized medicine and he only supports it because he doesn't want to pay for his own medical care and won't be subject to the inevitable huge tax increases that will happen down the road because he has admitted he hasn't paid ONE RED CENT worth of taxes to the U.S. government since moving to the U.S. over 10 years ago.Comment -
Dear John.
Thanks for your thoughtful post of how 'it is'.
Reagan also raised taxes a LOT. 7 out of 8 years as POTUS, provable by fact, he RAISED taxes. No wonder he got shit done.
Who cut them? OMFG - a DEMOCRAT (the guy who got the blowjob that I voted against 2x). HW Bush raised taxes, because he gave a f about the country - just like Reagan. Clinton took a gigantic shite on capital gains taxes as well as top bracket taxes. "W" cut taxes for ONLY the 1% of 1% and helped create the biggest aristocracy/oligarchy this world has ever seen. This is all fact. Count millionaires during the Reagan era - and track them into billionaires under "W". Thing is - you don't need an economics degree to track 'trends'. We're punters - the money went UP, not down. Also, count the Democratic philibusters under Reagan vs the Philibusters vs Obama. It's like the Globetrotters vs the Washington Generals. It's a joke.
Lets break this down. If you grew up in the 70s/80s, did you see MASSIVE expansion of 'big box' stores ever?
It was slow, but it happened. During the W years - crap, I had a walmart every damn 10 feet of me and every mom/pop shop got shut down. Blame who for that? People had a living wage then. I blame Clinton - but W did EVERYTHING he could to advance that. Remember when Wal-Mart was '100% American made'?
Of course you don't. That might make your brain hurt. Track history and the truth is truth. Obama has attempted in vain to work with the current neocon. I voted for him hoping he would - but they've done ZERO to be compromisers. They don't care, neither do Dems - via Citizen's United, we're ALL f'd unless we have over a million dollars. Both parties can suck my taint. They are doing 0 to help anyone without a million dollars - and they try to distract us with b.s. items like being gay, faith, stem cells - and that mosque that was blocks away from ground zero that got all the current neocons' panties in a bunch (it's there, btw, and no one cares anymore).
Just sayin - the modern climate provides for such bs opinions. Obama has plans and sometimes he tries to be a statesman. Ask Joe Liebermann about the 'public option'. If you have 1/1000th of a brain, you can figure out WHY he didn't want it. In fact, Obama's healthcare bill is EXACTLY the damn same thing proposed over a decade ago - by REPUBLICANS. Why? it's a blowjob to private interest.
When you put your life in the hands of 'private interest' - what happens?
$>life.
I will laugh over your grave when you die, even though I'll be dead already.
I just hope I'm a zombie or some bullschtein when it does happen.
The current neo-con is f'n stupid and even though I believe in 'proper' Republican principles - I havn't heard one argument that supports them - they are just the opinion of some guy that wants to sell a book and/or is afraid of black people OR Grants that will take their job. Glad my ancestors moved here. Glad I can voice my opinion. I'm glad to be an American. And neocons? F off for hi-jacking a GREAT party that got crap done.
We could've waxed gleefully ala John with how Reagan got shite done. It takes compromise and loving your country first - not your wallet. Vote them ALL out... Further, it's a Republican Supreme Court that made it happen. Talk about 'free markets'. Sheesh - they stacked the deck to make sure the rich own us all. Just read up on "Citizen's United". It will help you feel even more meaningless, unless you're a millionaire - which these forums lack because no one will debate me proper like I'm some 'crazy' person.
F me for reading and F you for not.Last edited by McBa1n; 06-25-12, 02:20 AM.Comment -
I still disagree about the "much worse" statement. How many banks were failing as Reagan walked in the door? How many foreclosure were on the horizon? Did the housing market lose anywhere near what it did for Obama? How about the Dow? Did it lose nearly 40% in mere weeks? No. Sure the country wasn't in great shape. But worse then what Obama's needed to deal with, no way.
As far has Reagan being able to unite the country and Obama not. Well I think there's a lot of truth to that. Though I think you and I would seriously disagree on the why. Did Reagan have to deal with years of an increasingly divided nation? Did he have Fox helping him get his message out and MSNBC telling it's viewers 24/7 how he and his policies are un-American and he shouldn't be the POTUS?Comment -
Bought my 1 st house @ 6% before Reagan. Bought my 2nd house @ 13% during Reagan. Had to Refi twice
when rates finally came down. Was scared for my job during Reagan. That's when part time minimum wage
jobs came into play.
I have to admit, my wages stayed the same during the Democrat reign. Carter, Clinton and 'bama. My wages
took off with a Repub as Pres. (2nd term, George the 1st did nothing)
So, is that the reason why people like Repubs, because of their wallets? I would say yes.
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Was in printing. During Reagan's 2nd term I got a 10% raise in income. During Bush 2, I was scared for my job then too, at the beginning of his term. Later that term, my wages went up another 10%. You know what happened after that.Comment -
I'm an I/T operations analyst. IBM mainframes.
In the mid to late 80's, experienced or certified people in that area could name their price, and name the company they wanted to work for.
Clinton started to outsource a lot of high tech to India, a percentage of those jobs went away under Clinton. I actually made less when Clinton was in office, but at least I was always gainfully employed.
I'm still in mainframes, but I am very lucky to be working for an organization that compensates their talent very well, and keeps them.
Even though I am anti-union, my job is backed by AFL-CIO local 153 (Office and Professional Employee Union)Comment -
JW is 100% correct when it comes to socialized healthcare for one reason MrWend .. I've lived it .. you on the other hand have to make shit up as you go along in order to move your argument forward. If I were ever to get seriously sick (Cancer for example) I'd be on a plane to the UK for treatment in a heartbeat .. despite having medical insurance here in the US.
Unlike you Mr Wend .. I am also currently employed ... why don't you get off your dead ass and get a job deadbeat .. maybe then people would start to take you seriously.
I currently have an aunt and an uncle undergoing medial treatment in the UK for cancer .. neither has had to wait a single second more for any kind of test or treatment than they would have had to wait here in the US (I can say this with confidence as my wife has been an oncology nurse for the past 20 years here in the US and she has been amazed at how quickly tests are being done, and treatment is being administered) - my uncle is very late stage and was given 6 months to live around 5 months ago .. he is still being treated to this very day (does not sound very limited to me)
I have no idea where you are pulling your horror stories of Victorian era treatment in other countries from mrWend .. but let me assure you that you are 100% dead wrong on this one.
Maybe since you stopped being a productive member of society and stopped working you have become even more out of touch with reality .. just like your Presidential candidate.Comment -
That's great, but you probably have to constantly keep up with new technology which changes constantly.
Do they pay for that? Send you to classes?Comment -
It's not fair to compare Obama to Reagan. I do it because they were so much alike in what they promised and they both inherited a mess. The real difference is Reagan reached out to the democrats and passed all his legislation with bi partisan support. Obama had both the house and senate and couldnt get a budget passed. I don't know if romney will be any better. But I think we need to show these politicians that they get the job done as they promised or they're fired. They can save their breath with the excuses.Comment -
Obama's never really had the Senate due to the 60% rule. But his budget displeased dems just as much as it displeased the GOP. Really if you look at what he proposed it was a lot of what the GOP asked for. He did a crap job of selling it. I think he thought the Dems would get in line, they didn't. I think he wrongly thought the GOP would see it and go "Wow, a lot of this is what we've been saying some of this looks pretty good." What they did and what they've continued to do is say "if it comes from Obama we hate it... even if it was what we wanted a few weeks, months or a couple years ago." Mandates were the GOP's idea when Dole was working on the issue. The $3 in cuts and $1 in loophole closures was a popular idea with many in the GOP... until Obama proposed it.
Obama promised to work in a bi-partisan manner in several ways he's tried only to be told GFY. But Bush promised to be a uniter not a divider too. Didn't work for him either.
Maybe one term and you're done for everyone is the way to go for a while. Something like 6 years Potus, 4 for the senate and 3 for the House. Then maybe they'd stop worrying so much about trying to get reelected and start trying solve the huge fukking mess we're in.Comment -
Re: Obamacare.
The government doesn't have the right to mandate that Americans *must* buy a product or services.Comment -
I think that's likely to be the case, we'll see here any day now what the great judicial minds think. It doesn't change the fact it was pretty popular with the GOP until Obama adopted it... then it was evil socialism. Since the funds flow directly to private insurance companies and not the government it's in no way socialism.
Obama claimed he was going to be transparent. The AHCA act was written in private with big pharma and health care providers having heavy hands in the final out come. He basically broke two out of two promises when completing the AHCA.Comment
