Obama is the lesser of two evils.
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unfortunately that hasn't kept up with population growth. if the same number of people were in the workforce as there were in January 2009, unemployment would be close to 11%Hardly anything spectacular. Historically America has averaged better than that.#2. GDP has grown 11 % during Obama's 3 + years. He is averaging GDP growth of around 3% per year.
Thank Ben Bernanke for that. You can actually look at a chart of the Dow or Nasdaq and see where QEI & QEII began and ended. The current bull market began in March of 2009, despite the fact we were still in recession then. The reason? QEI.#3.The Stock market has increased nearly 5000 points during Obama's presidency. This represents an increase of about 75% or the LARGEST PERCENTAGE INCREASE of and President first term --- EVER.
You act as if not for Obama, the recession would still be going on. We had our best economic growth in the 1800s when we had little intervention in the economy, and recessions ended on their own. The last one ended in June of 2009, after 5 months of BO being the president.#4.He has ended Bush's recession. The recession oficially ended about 1 year into the Obama presidency. That isnt bad. It only took Obama 1 year to get the ship turned around and at least going in the right direction after Bush handed him the worst economy in 65 years. Now for sure the GOP and all the blind republicans will say the economy isnt growing much. How soon they forget that it SHRUNK that last time they had the White House. Its amazing how you support a guy who Shrunk the economy and got us in a recession, then turn around and blame Obama because he only has 3% GDP GROWTH. Explain that one.
Actually SEALS killed OBL.#5.Obama KILLED Bin Laden. Something Bush couldnt do in nearly 8 years despite having carte blanche to do whatever the hell he wanted to get him. But Bush failed at that -- just like almost everything else.
He followed the plan put in place by W. Hardly an accomplishment.#6. He got us out of Bush's non sense meaningless war in Iraq.
Actually there have been more people killed there under BO than under W.#7. He is winding down Bush's other war in Afghanistan.
We will never get rid of Al Queda, the best thing we could do is leave them alone.#8. He has inflicted more damage on Al Queda top brass in 3 years than Bush did in 8. He has started to seriously destroy Al Queda which would be a step to ending Bush's other war.
How many presidents recenty have had military experience? Why did the left never complain when Clinton attacked someone?So many wars bush started, what war did Bush actually fight in ????? Oh thats right, he didnt.It was more Europe that took him out, but either way hardly a big deal. American lives won't be improved by Libya getting a new leader.
#9. Obama took out Ghadafi by helping the opposition but without a single US troop on the ground. Again, something Bush and his Daddy couldnt achieve trying to take out Saddam.
That's true for partisan hacks, but I don't like them either way.The only thing that the GOP and the Republican Sheeple can say bad about Obama is his deficits.
" Deficits dont matter " --- VP CHENEY.
Cheney meant deficits dont matter unless its a democrat president who is running them.
Every president in the post WW2 era has inherited military being overseas. Reagan and W both inherited tax cuts from their democrat predecessors, but the left never cut them any slack for deficits.Anyway, Obama;s deficits are a result of Bush's war in Iraq, Bush's war in Afghanistan, Bush's overall war on terror, Bush's tax cuts, Bush's recession, Bush's idiotic elinimation of the esate tax ( at least temporarily ). This is why Obama has huge deficits, And by the way, Bush fiscal year 2009 had a higher deficit that any Obama fiscal Year.
he might, although either way we're screwed.I cant wait until November to see Obama open a can of whop ass on this Gay bashing, arrogant, Heir "ess", Never had to work a day in his life, POS Romney.Comment -
Many in the CIA briefed Obama on his way in the Oval office door that most efforts to locate OBL had been shelved. Bush, as this NYT article details, pulled most people off looking for him in '06-
July 3 — The Central Intelligence Agency has closed a unit that for a decade had the mission of hunting Osama bin Laden and his top lieutenants, intelligence officials confirmed Monday.
Obama, as this Politico article details, switched gears and ordered resources be focused back on finding OBL-
On June 2, 2009, just over four months into his presidency, Obama had signed a memo to CIA Director Leon Panetta stating “in order to ensure that we have expanded every effort, I direct you to provide me within 30 days a detailed operation plan for locating and bringing to justice” bin Laden.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories...#ixzz1wuX4gsZO
To say the military or SEALS alone got OBL is not being completely accurate... unless you're including the Commander in Chief who issued the order.
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Move along everyone...
nothing intelligent about this thread to reply to
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LeahMichelle- Your proclamations of the NY Giants beating the Pack, SF, and NE deserve some respect. You should have quit while you were ahead.Comment -
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This OP has got to be one GIANT LEVEL! THE unemployment has been over 8% during this socialists entire tenure. WTF are you talking about OP? Job creation? Home Boy cannot even create enough jobs to get unemployment below 8%. And it is really double digits. If they counted the millions of people who just stopped looking for work it would be 12% or higher.
Black youth are 50% unemployed. This stupid marxist, socialist doesn't care about the inner city youth.
How many times has OBAMINATION gone to a hood and tried to raise morale? This fuker is an ELITIST that could give to crack rocks about black people.
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LOL THE GDP is shrinking and way less than projections. THE facts you suggest are fallacy.
The entire thread can be usurped with one simple question:
Are you better off than you were 3.5 years ago? Are the economic indicators? The debt? GTFO this country is in the shitter and worse now.Comment -
Leah Michelle another great post. How are those kids doing by the way tell them good luck in the special olympics i got a parley on them in the 100 yard dash.Comment -
We need massive spending cuts and lower taxes or we will be bankrupt and unemployment will soar. Obama did some good things. But he is not the best man to get us out of the sea of debt and get the economy moving again. He's a spender and we need a cutter.Comment -
The most polarizing figure in the history of America. That is what his wikipedia will say. It will also say he was the only president to have a credit downgrade and the president to take this country to 20 trillion in debt.
If he gets re-elected you will see the collapse of america and civil unrest. Their will be race wars and possibly a civil war.Comment -
You have an excuse for everything. No doubt a Ron Paul supporter. At least you attempted to debate point by point, I'll give you more credit in here than most. Majority in here resort to ad hominems against OP. You just try too hard to discredit everything Obama has done, even stuff he has done well. Unless I read your post wrong. But give some credit where credit is due.Comment -
and if Romney is elected we will see very similar shit my friend, as the dollars demise is not too far off in the distance.
Please don`t lay that on Obama my man, instead consider placing that responsibility where I believe that it belongs, and that is squarely on the American people who have dumbed themselves down to the point of thinking that gov`t and big business give a damn about them/us.
By now most agree the Iraq war was un necessary and UNJUST - How hard did we Americans protest? Did we UNITE and boycott the businesses that exploited the troops and the people of the nation? Of course we didn`t, we are a nation of pussies - everything is someone elses fault.
Race wars? Probably maybe. Again, typical dumb America. Don`t hate some suit and tie that has screwed millions. Hate and kill someone for looking different than you or for maybe smoking a blunt on his front porch.
If we are the greatest country in the world - the world is screwed.
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Regarding all the major economic indicators, Obama has failed.
Unemployment- Fail
GDP Growth----FAIL
Consumer Confidence- FAIL
Cost of Living, gas goods, commodities-FAIL
Average Wages per hour for American Workers- FAIL
Healthcare reform- FAIL
under 2% Of america is gay so that was a waste of time and a distraction
He continues to be the campaigner in chief and has for the last 18 months.
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and if Romney is elected we will see very similar shit my friend, as the dollars demise is not too far off in the distance.
Please don`t lay that on Obama my man, instead consider placing that responsibility where I believe that it belongs, and that is squarely on the American people who have dumbed themselves down to the point of thinking that gov`t and big business give a damn about them/us.
By now most agree the Iraq war was un necessary and UNJUST - How hard did we Americans protest? Did we UNITE and boycott the businesses that exploited the troops and the people of the nation? Of course we didn`t, we are a nation of pussies - everything is someone elses fault.
Race wars? Probably maybe. Again, typical dumb America. Don`t hate some suit and tie that has screwed millions. Hate and kill someone for looking different than you or for maybe smoking a blunt on his front porch.
If we are the greatest country in the world - the world is screwed.
JBartMan, my observations and opinions of/toward my countrymen are not directed at you, carry on!
I voted for Ron Paul in the primaries. Individual liberties, states rights, smaller, less intrusive gov't. Fiscal restraint and a balanced budget. end the fed and its fiat currency. The dollar will be removed as the global standard currency soon. China and Russia are already bartering with middle eastern countries for oil in non US Dollars.
The current young generation is overweight, lazy, gov't reliant like Obama likes it, and lacks direction, motivation, and family. This millennial generation does not have the talent to right this sinking ship. They are by far the dumbest, least motivated generation in the history of this nation. It is sad.
Most of my friends are going to move out of american and renounce. They are all what Obamination considers rich...lol they make between 100-250k. The amount of tax dollars that are going to leave this country if Obamination wins via voter fraud will be staggering. The tax base will shrink and the existing tax payers will have to pay a 90% tax rate to keep all the lazy socialists fed.
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Everyone keeps saying the younger generation is a failure. People have been saying that as long as I can remember. I remember my father speaking to my uncle in the late 60's about how the Beattles were proof the "kids today will end the American way." Kids were all lazy and didn't care about doing anything but having fun and listen to loud crappy music. On a side note a few years later I came home to my father listening to "Hey Jude" and asked "I thought you hated the Beattles?" "I do! Long haired freaks!" "Why are you listening to them?" "This is the Beattles?" "ummm yes, yes it is."
Anyway for every example you can find regarding the younger generations laziness I'll bet I can find an example of the opposite. Like this HS student- http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_16...e-cancer-cure/
My daughter is in her 20's and currently serving in the military. Prior to that she was working two jobs and going to college full time. I've never seen any of her friends look over weight. If anything they're more inclined to be gym rats and health educated then my generation (nearly 50 here.) Sure they play vidoe games but they also surf, run, mountain bike. This isn't something new that just started happening after she joined the military. She and her friends have been like that at least since HS.
The left said the same thing in '04. I know of a few who left but by far most stayed. I left and Bush's reelection played a role but other life situations- retiring, divorcing after 25 yrs, lack of affordable health care etc... played larger roles.
Where do you think you might move? Do you have a plan or are you convinced Romeny will prevail?
On that I agree. But I think we've been divided and are in the process of being conquered by special interests/money and that's the root of the sad state we find ourselves.Comment -
The stats do not lie. People are leaving at alarming rates. I just hope Romney wins.Comment -
funny how when bush was hand-delivered an urgent cia memo warning of 9/11 hijackings and attacks on nyc, he ignored it and continued his month long vacation.... but neo-cons gave him a free pass.
but obama orders the attack on bin laden against the wishes of his vp and most of his generals and he deserves no credit according to the same neo-cons.
yeah i guess phil jackson and bill walsh also had nothing to do with all those championships their teams won either.
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Crusty, can you please stop with the urgent memo bullshit? It was part of his daily briefing, which the Pres has gotten every single day for decades, even when on vacation. The memo said that bin Laden was determined to strike within the US... yeah, no shit. Everyone knew that. The "terrorists" seen taking pics of NYC skyscrapers were found to be tourists.
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an urgent memo warning of the specific mode of attack by al qaeda was meaningless? such a neo-nitwit clown.
and how many other urgent memos were hand delivered to bush on his month long vacation? just one... moron.
what was bushs reaction to the specific hijack warnings? "covering your asses huh?" and tossed it away without even reading it.
all he had to do was order the faa to increse airport/airplane security and the fbi to track down the hijackers and 9/11 wouldve been prevented. but he was too lazy to do a single thing.
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You are delusional. It wasn't a fukking urgent memo! It was from his daily briefing!
" The President's Daily Brief [1] (PDB), sometimes referred to as the President's Daily Briefing or the President's Daily Bulletin, is a top-secret document produced each morning for the President of the United States"
Each morning. Each morning. Each morning.
It was in his DAILY briefing.
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You are delusional. It wasn't a fukking urgent memo! It was from his daily briefing!
" The President's Daily Brief [1] (PDB), sometimes referred to as the President's Daily Briefing or the President's Daily Bulletin, is a top-secret document produced each morning for the President of the United States"
Each morning. Each morning. Each morning.
It was in his DAILY briefing.
Are you comprehending this yet?
you idiot..... ive destroyed you on this topic before... but to rebury you...
"The PDB is a presidential "eye's only" report. While Clinton preferred written formats, George W. Bush received his daily updates verbally. The director of the Central Intelligence agency (DCI), George Tenet, provided the daily briefing.
Yet on the day of August 6th, just weeks prior to the attacks, George W. Bush was on vacation at his Crawford, Texas ranch. George Tenet was in Washington, D.C. How was the daily briefing managed?
Bush failed to study the PDB. There is no evidence that George W. Bush, or Rice, fully considered the warnings included in the August 6th PDB.
"We [9/11 Commission] have found no indication of any further discussion before September 11 among the President and his top advisors of the possibility of a threat of an al Qaeda attack in the United States." [p.262]
George W. Bush and National Security Advisor Rice claim the August 6th PDB was insufficient intelligence information. They argue the document was simply a "historical report." Yet it was the first to warn Bin Laden was targeting the U.S. directly. It included that Bin Laden was interested in hijacking aircraft, and mentioned government buildings in New York City were suspected targets."
here is how a real leader correctly deals with pdb warning of hijackings...
"On December 4, 1998, for example, the Clinton administration received a President’s Daily Brief entitled “Bin Ladin Preparing to Hijack US Aircraft and Other Attacks.” Here’s how the Clinton administration reacted, according to the 9/11 Commission report:
The same day, [Counterterrorism Czar Richard] Clarke convened a meeting of his CSG [Counterterrorism Security Group] to discuss both the hijacking concern and the antiaircraft missile threat. To address the hijacking warning, the group agreed that New York airports should go to maximum security starting that weekend. They agreed to boost security at other East coast airports. The CIA agreed to distribute versions of the report to the FBI and FAA to pass to the New York Police Department and the airlines. The FAA issued a security directive on December 8, with specific requirements for more intensive air carrier screening of passengers and more oversight of the screening process, at all three New York area airports. [pg. 128-30]
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Nice copy-paste job from InfoImagination
What does Tenet being in DC matter? He approved the PDBs... he didn't always deliver them. He even said as much during his testimony. In fact, if the memo was so urgent, wouldn't Tenet have flown out to meet with the President to discuss this critical news? Which is it? It was so urgent that it had to be hand delivered, but not urgent enough for Tenet to do it himself?
You sho am smaht crustyComment
A manly man who isn't scared to legalize online gambling or talk plenty of shit when necessary!
