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Originally Posted by Glitch
5.5
Bulls -8.5 @ home
Bulls -2.5 @ Philly.
I just don't believe in "traps". Either Bulls play good and win, or Bulls play like shit and lose. But with the line being off by a good 3 points to me does seem odd, and it would seem that the books want money on Chicago, who most would think are the better team.
But who really knows...
definitely trap lines exist in the NBA, especially on Friday nights, imo.
Port -2.5 looks like another one
so from all the bulls -3s, ive deduced that this line is less of an atrocity to you guys as it is to me and more like a slight logistical error in your opinions.
The line is accurate. It is not a trap. The Bulls were -5 at home to Philly and now are -1 at some shops. That is 6 pts, calculate the 3 pts for homecourt difference both ways and the number out now is accurate.. I am not advocating a play on the Bulls or Philly. Just simply stating the line is where it should be. However, I would be hesitant pulling the trigger on the Bulls knowing that they spanked Philly by 45 pts at home last game, have Boston on Saturday and the majority of bettors are on the Bulls and your not getting line movement in your favor..
Sixers play better without Iguodala, so anyone saying that they feel more confident because 9 is out has no ******* clue what he is talking about and is probably better off just betting coinflips.
I went with a small parlay on Knicks and Bulls. 29.87 to win 75 and some change.
It seems some was wondering why Boozer was pulled last game.. Tibs pulled him because his defense was half ass and seem disinterested in playing defense against the Nets. Tibs as you all well know is a defensive minded coach and if you don't play defense he is going to sit you down even if you are Boozer.. It's one thing for your man to beat you and score on you it's quite another to not be giving any effort. ESPN even took the time to illustrate how bad the defense Boozer was playing agaisnt the Nets.. I think I could have scored on Boozer before he was pullled..LOL
I don't disagree with how you come up with that line, but you do have to factor that the Bulls have gone 7-2 since that -5 line came out. It's a little different now. The game is now a 23-11 team playing a 14-21 team.
I would figure that would light a fire under him with something to prove tonight. Thibs is demanding, but fair. The players like him. I'd expect max effort from Boozer tonight. Philly's not that good and Bulls dominated them recently. And now Iguoldola is out. Can they rely on another big game from Holliday going against Rose? Philly doesn't really have the kind of size that sometimes gives the Bulls issues. Just think Philly doesn't match up well at all.
Don't disagree with that, but at the same time linesmakers don't have quite the same knee jerk reaction as the public especially over such a short span. Perhaps in keeping with knee jerk reactions perhaps bettors are not warm and fuzzy taking the Bulls off a loss to the Nets.
I think one guy said the Bulls should be -9 for the game.Bulls could win by that or more,but the books have an obligation to not getting killed by sharps that bet 10K a game and believe me if Philly was +9 tonite there would be tons of heavy action on Philly. Books not worried about the $25 bettors getting Chi right tonite.
Personally,if you ask me I don't think either side is a good bet. I can see the Bulls winning, but also can see them losing rather easily against a quality team that is a little better than there record imo, espcially ATS...
That -5 was a joke, I was all over the Bulls. Philly came in as hot as possible too at that time and still got their asses handed. It won't be as easy in Philly, but Philly just doesn't match up well. Frankly, I don't see a single favorable matchup on the floor for them.
I think Philly has more guys down low to rotate. Chicago doesn't have much size.
It should light a fire under Boozer, but you never know how one player reacts to something like that. I agree Tibs is a good coach and demanding, but fair. I wish him nothing but success in Chicago moving forward. I also agree that the Bulls are a good team. I am not advocating a play on either side I just answered some questions that some had. Bulls are better than Philly for sure, but remember the Bulls are not an elite team and Philly is not a bunch of scrubs either. I am sure Philly has something to prove after there ass whipping Bulls gave them recently. Just like the line inicates the game can go either way and I can make a case for both sides and that's the reason I am staying away. GL though.
Bulls screwed me in NJ.. Im just hoping they dont screw me again.. I think theyre showing up tonight (not looking past this game for Boston)...
PS- sportsbook . com line just moved to Bulls -1
Sure they do. Thomas starts, but Asik has really been coming into his own and Gibson comes off the bench with size as well. Where is Philly's size? It's basically Hawes, who's not that good, and Speights, who's even worse. Battie hardly plays. Who are all of Philly's bigs to rotate?
The sixers have been very good lately, and Iggy has been out for a long time. Be careful with this one. I like the Bulls too, but the Sixers may have some payback in order after that wretched beat down in chi-town.
This aint no waltz.
"IF" I was a conspiracy theorist, I would say it's Friday (payday) and Vegas is pulling an awesome mindf*ck on everyone to take their money tonight and tomorrow, and here's how.
Vegas looks at this matchup and sets it as Bulls +1. Every friggin' Bulls fan is gonna cash their paycheck and play this because they believe their team is going to kick ass like it did the last time these teams met. And later in the day, the line is going to change to Sixers +1 or +1.5, so that all those that are leery about this line jump on board with the Bulls too because now it's "not so fishy". Probably about 70% of the betting public will back the Bulls. Problem is, the Sixers are playing great ball right now, and have completely bought into Doug Collin' system. The loss of Iggie doesn't hurt much as this is an athletic team that is much better than their overall record, one of the best defensively at home, and certainly better than the ass-whooping they took the last time they played Chicago. And with Chicago looking ahead to its matchup with the Celts, I see the Sixers winning a tight one by 3 or 4. Advantage: Vegas.
Fast forward to tomorrow, Bulls at home against a Celtics team coming off a back-to-back. Vegas will set the line at Bulls at -2.5 (or thereabouts) since the Bulls will now have lost 2 straight. And the betting public (including those that will lose tonight) will pound the Celtics +2.5 because of that, trying to make up for the loss they'll take tonight. And the Bulls will probably will win by 3 with a last second trey over a Boston team that's playing okay (but not great) without KG. Advantage again: Vegas.
Good thing I'm NOT a conspiracy theorist, I just wanted to collect my extra points for posting something entertaining today.
I got Portland @ -2.5 on the road at Minny.
I know how bad Minny is, but they've played some close games, and Portland has Aldridge and that's about it.
Elton Brand has been one of the better bigs in the league this season.
He's matched up against Boozer. They'll both get their points. I'm talking at the 5. And if Philly plays Brand at the 5 that allows the Bulls to pair Boozer and Gibson if they want, or even having Deng at the 4. Again, Philly is pretty small, this really helps the Bulls and allows them to do different things. That said, I'd like to see a lot of Asik. He is really coming along and is really dynamite defensively and on the glass.
I'm taking Bulls here. dont see why not
Thomas is considered small but he's a crafty vet. Philly has Young, Speights, Bases, Brand and a couple others to rotate. I can see Philly string to run the Bulls out the gym tonight.
you dont like 15/9 4s ? or guys who average double doubles since 12/1? ok. no prob.
And the Bulls have Boozer, Gibson, Thomas, Asik to rotate, plus Deng can play the 4. I don't see any of those Philly bigs as terribly challenging. I'll take Boozer over Brand.
Not compared to a 20/10 in Boozer.
My Brother just calls me asking if I got any action on the Bulls tonight...I tell him yea about 1300. He said wanted to take some of my action off me, I tell him sure no problem. I send him a text at the Numbers I got the bets in at, and tell him he can have 416 to win 400 @ -104 at pk em.
He says how about I just take all that 510 to win 500 off you. I tell him to fuckk off, say "so you want to just take all of my money from them odds, I say no you'll take the average of -104 and at a pick." He says fine.
Motherfuckkin family trying to fuckk me on 10 bucks. We're all a little bit jewish.
He then tells me to come down to his house and we'll have some beers, I ask him what kind, he tells me stella artois or yuengling. I laugh and said I'll bring over a case of PBR.
Looks like I'll just stop by the bar and have a few drinks after work, then go home and sleep, then shower and go to my brothers and beat his kid up a little and watch my bulls.
Line starts Chicago +1... huge money on Bulls line moves all the way to Chicago -1 from 5:00 last night to 12:00 today... I guess I don't understand the conspiracy...
believe me... I looked at the St. Mary's game -8 @ Loyola Marymount last night and love that damn thing all day. Felt like they'd beat them by 18+. Talked myself out of huge bet on em because of it being a "trap" game... beat em by 23. More chance there as the spread woulda allowed em to still win just not cover. When the number is pickem or 1... they either win or lose... no points room.
Last edited by Vol_Bengal; 01-07-11 at 12:12 PM.
Or about 20 other big guys around the league.
Gotta love a homer though, yes 15/9....super impressive.Future all-star right there.
should be a close game. like the sixers to close it out.
Brand is a past all-star, probably not a future all-star. He's solid, but nothing special these days.Or about 20 other big guys around the league.
Gotta love a homer though, yes 15/9....super impressive.
I was mocking the Sixers homer.
How can anyone like the Sixers after they lost by 45+ to the Bulls in Chicago. I know having home court helps, but still, 45 points?
The 76ers had Igudola that game, and he makes the team worse. That added to the fact the Bulls were at home, that should make up 45 points or so.
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