[pat venditto]

Can this book really be trusted pal? Not looking to get chucked if they don't do well. How are they financially you check their bank statements? You gonna hunt them down if they flee costa rica or whereever they are from?

[KingKolzig]

i rolled over my latest bonus. asked for a cash-out and they said "sure what method"...........i didnt take it though cause im a gambler and i want to see what happens this weekend

[minet123]

I will answer for them
NO
Young GH you can trust
CRIS
Greek
and an agent from Pinnacle or Grande
Thats it !!!
Everyone else is on faith
and how much faith would you put in gamblers who moved to a third world rat hole to get on the other side of the counter

[pat venditto]

Minet what about matchbook?

[minet123]

Minet what about matchbook?

I trust Matchbook but than again i will show up at the country club on the outskirts of London and beat them with a golf club if they tried to stiff me
You can trust the new matchbook
I have heard that they know what they are doing

[SBR_John]

Well, they haven't had a good football season. There have been chronic processing issues and some unevenness in the level of customer service. I thought they had an excellent year last year but not so much this year. Is the B+ suspect? Yes. We do not lower and raise books on minor issues. We look at what group of books are they most in line with. Maybe BP would fit better into the B group, I'm not sure and the opinion is subjective. Bill and Justin and others ultimately decide and they have much more info to base their decision.

[RealSlimShady]

I trust Matchbook but than again i will show up at the country club on the outskirts of London and beat them with a golf club if they tried to stiff me You can trust the new matchbook I have heard that they know what they are doing

Minet.....do you know definitely if WSEX is still a partial owner of MB or not?

[pat venditto]

Thanks for the responses everyone.

[magynuck]

Warning signs are there and I do not feel comfortable keeping a large balance there at this time.

[SBR_John]

Minet.....do you know definitely if WSEX is still a partial owner of MB or not?

We have heard from the head of an A+ book that there is at a minimum a new investor/majority owner involved with Matchbook who is indeed based in the UK. The deal seemingly was complicated with debt shifting and minority positions, deferred payments, ect. It would be good of them to disclose the past and talk about the future but so far that is still a secret. I think they will see some slow upgrades here but it could be a lot faster if they would explain what has happened and who is actually guaranteeing the money.

[RealSlimShady]

Thanks for the update, John.

[ryanspeer2001]

BP I have supported for quite some time but they have taken a bit of a dive the last few months. Still support them and a B rating is appropriate but they should not be your #1 book.

[minet123]

We have heard from the head of an A+ book that there is at a minimum a new investor/majority owner involved with Matchbook who is indeed based in the UK. The deal seemingly was complicated with debt shifting and minority positions, deferred payments, ect. It would be good of them to disclose the past and talk about the future but so far that is still a secret. I think they will see some slow upgrades here but it could be a lot faster if they would explain what has happened and who is actually guaranteeing the money.

The rumors I heard back in the summer when I was over there was that a soccer betting syndicate had purchased them
Now I heard this a card game so take it for what it worth...which is about zero
who bankrolled them was the speculation

1)Know one,They where a bunch of number nerds who felt that Betfair was hosing them on commissions and got limited at Pinnacle and SBO so they bankrolled them selves with no care to the completely FU credit side that the Shrink and Lenny,to name a few left it in... PROBABLY CLOSEST TO THE TRUTH

2)The Serbian underworld types wanted to get in the legit end of the business...There is a Serbian underworld COMPLETE BS

3)Harrods:Seem completely ridiculous but he did buy a soccer team and have heard he is a big whale type player....again more BS He could go buy Ladbrokes and change into betfair if he wanted too

Who knows
Is your money safe
Yea but our money was safe at neteller and we did get it but after how much BS

As Fishead says they are a must out for any serious US player

[betplom]

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[ApricotSinner32]

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Plommer I knew this fukkin book was crumbling.

[ZetaPsi808]

plommer in top form tonight bumping all these old time threads.

plommer i have 4 figure balances at betphoenix and betmania and i am comfortable with both books

[BEANTOWNJIM]

OF COURSE THEY ARE GOING TO GET AN (A) RATING AS LONG AS THEY DONT FALL BEHIND ON THERE ADVERTISINGFEES RIGHT SBR JOHN THEY WERE JUST ABOUT OUT OF BUSINESS 6 MONTHS AGO AND TAKING OVER 30 DAYS TO PAY ANYBODY BUT THE RATING NEVER WENT DOWN HERE AT SBR BECAUSE JOHN KEPT GETTING PAID TO PROTECT THEM.

BOYS I ASKED BET PHOENIX FOR A PAYOUT OF 3 DIMES THEY TOLD ME IT WOULD BE PROCESSED AND TAKE ABOUT 30 DAYS I SAID O.K. GET ME MY MONEY.I LOOKED IN THE SPORTSBOOK AND SAW MY FUNDS WERE NEVER TAKEN OUT OF MY ACCOUNT YOU GUESSED IT THEY LEFT MY WITHDRAWEL MONEY IN MY ACCOUNT SO I COULD BET IT AND LOSE IT BACK WICH I DID.IF THAT DOESNT SAY ENOUGH ABOUT HOW SLEAZY THIS SPORTSBOOK BET PHOENIX IS THEN WHAT WILL.

STAY AWAY FROM BET PHOENIX RICHARD AT BET PHOENIX WAS LENNY FROM CASCADES RIGHT HAND MAN THAT ALONE SHOULD TELL YOU SOMETHING AND BEWARE OF SLOW PAYS FELLAS.

BET PHOENIX WILL BE OUT OF BUSINESS AFTER THE SUPERBOWL THEY ARE BEING RUN BY SHADY CHARACTERS

[BranchDavidian]

Is there something new here? The slow pay complaints seem to have stopped, haven't they?

[ApricotSinner32]

OF COURSE THEY ARE GOING TO GET AN (A) RATING AS LONG AS THEY DONT FALL BEHIND ON THERE ADVERTISINGFEES RIGHT SBR JOHN THEY WERE JUST ABOUT OUT OF BUSINESS 6 MONTHS AGO AND TAKING OVER 30 DAYS TO PAY ANYBODY BUT THE RATING NEVER WENT DOWN HERE AT SBR BECAUSE JOHN KEPT GETTING PAID TO PROTECT THEM.

BOYS I ASKED BET PHOENIX FOR A PAYOUT OF 3 DIMES THEY TOLD ME IT WOULD BE PROCESSED AND TAKE ABOUT 30 DAYS I SAID O.K. GET ME MY MONEY.I LOOKED IN THE SPORTSBOOK AND SAW MY FUNDS WERE NEVER TAKEN OUT OF MY ACCOUNT YOU GUESSED IT THEY LEFT MY WITHDRAWEL MONEY IN MY ACCOUNT SO I COULD BET IT AND LOSE IT BACK WICH I DID.IF THAT DOESNT SAY ENOUGH ABOUT HOW SLEAZY THIS SPORTSBOOK BET PHOENIX IS THEN WHAT WILL.

STAY AWAY FROM BET PHOENIX RICHARD AT BET PHOENIX WAS LENNY FROM CASCADES RIGHT HAND MAN THAT ALONE SHOULD TELL YOU SOMETHING AND BEWARE OF SLOW PAYS FELLAS.

BET PHOENIX WILL BE OUT OF BUSINESS AFTER THE SUPERBOWL THEY ARE BEING RUN BY SHADY CHARACTERS

[jjgold]

I would never play at Bet Phoenix

[BEANTOWNJIM]

JJGOLD GET THEM ON THE PHONE AND ASK THEM WHY WHEN BEANTOWNJIM ASKED FOR A PAYOUT HIS FUNDS WERE LEFT IN HIS ACCOUNT TO BE BET WITH WHY WASNT HIS WITHDRAWEL PROCESSED.

IF YOU ASK FOR A PAYOUT YOUR FUNDS SHOULD BE TAKEN OUT OF YOUR ACCOUNT WITHIN AN HOUR NOT LEFT IN YOUR ACCOUNT TO LOSE BACK.THAT WAS A SLEAZY MOVE BY A SLEAZY SPORTSBOOK.

RICHARD AT BET PHOENIX WAS LENNY FROM CASCADES RIGHT HAND MAN SO I GUESS LENNY SHOWED HIM THE ROPES.

I JUST GOT A WITHDRAWEL FROM HERITAGE AND I AM HAPPY TO REPORT MY WITHDRAWEL WAS TAKEN OUT OF MY ACCOUNT WITHIN 10 MINUTES NOT LEFT IN TO LOSE BACK.

STAY AWAY FROM BET PHOENIX THEY ARE A D RATED BOOK RUN BY A BUNCH OF THIEVES I WOULDNT BE SURPRISED IF LENNY FROM CASCADE IS THERE BANKER