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  • rsnnh12
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    • 09-26-10
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    #211
    Originally posted by zsr
    In defense of cutler, the bears offense does not allow audibles so when he reads blitz there nothing he can do about it. Martz needs to change his system, it doesnt work unless you have elite Quarterback, good wideouts and a good line.
    He can still adjust the protection, no?
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    • wikkidinsane
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      • 05-30-10
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      #212
      Matt ryan - jay cutler . A lot of white qbs.
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      • Harry N. Lloyd
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        #213
        What about Fat Albert Haynesworth?
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        • zsr
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          #214
          Originally posted by geebert74
          Tom Brady by far!
          Lol i hope this is a joke..He's actually underrated, everyone gives the credit to Bill or the offensive line. That season he had last year was unreal..Hell vick turns the ball over more in 2 quarters than brady did last year.
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          • zsr
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            #215
            Originally posted by rsnnh12
            He can still adjust the protection, no?
            Yes, no doubt he has to improve at that.
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            • SportsPedagogy
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              #216
              i like the guy ... but .. Chad Ochocinco ? Its been a VERY long time since he was more bite then bark.
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              • wikkidinsane
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                #217
                Originally posted by SportsPedagogy
                i like the guy ... but .. Chad Ochocinco ? Its been a VERY long time since he was more bite then bark.
                But Ochocinco fell off. They dont feature him as much on tv anymore. He is a non factor. Tony Romo is a dumbass
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                • nyymvp
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                  • 01-24-11
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                  #218
                  Originally posted by ericool007
                  chris johnson one really good year and he thinks hes the most dynamic player ever. guy blows
                  I think the pooor season's more because of the holdout. You can't be terrible and get 2000k yards. Give him time
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                  • SportsPedagogy
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                    #219
                    Originally posted by wikkidinsane

                    But Ochocinco fell off. They dont feature him as much on tv anymore. He is a non factor. Tony Romo is a dumbass
                    Romo carries the cowboys offense. He takes practice squad recievers and makes them look like pro bowlers (See austin, Haley and Robinson) Note: Miles Austin did fell off pretty bad last year without Romo. Also, jason Witten is always covered well and romo gets the ball in there. Bashing Romo is some what trendy, but unwarranted. If Romo has a big comeback in regular season, then its just regular season, if he has a bad game, then its a horrible blemish on Romos career. He is judged differently then other QBs and i challenge anybody else to tell me differently. (Phillip Rivers and carson Palmer have achieved as much or less then romo and dont get near the bashing)
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                    • uup115
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                      • 09-28-11
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                      #220
                      Originally posted by wikkidinsane
                      Matt ryan - jay cutler . A lot of white qbs.
                      Matt Ryan over rated? the guy is a 2nd tier QB, nobody would rate him top 5.
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                      • dynamite140
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                        #221
                        nnamdi asomugha
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                        • jsmithj88
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                          #222
                          Originally posted by SportsPedagogy
                          Romo carries the cowboys offense. He takes practice squad recievers and makes them look like pro bowlers (See austin, Haley and Robinson) Note: Miles Austin did fell off pretty bad last year without Romo. Also, jason Witten is always covered well and romo gets the ball in there. Bashing Romo is some what trendy, but unwarranted. If Romo has a big comeback in regular season, then its just regular season, if he has a bad game, then its a horrible blemish on Romos career. He is judged differently then other QBs and i challenge anybody else to tell me differently. (Phillip Rivers and carson Palmer have achieved as much or less then romo and dont get near the bashing)
                          rivers got his team to the playoffs more times and has more wins than romo
                          carson palmer sucked
                          people are critical of romo because he has shown that he can be elite
                          but he is just as likely to show u y he isnt elite with bonehead mistakes
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                          • nyplayer33
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                            #223
                            tony romo
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                            • Goat Milk
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                              #224
                              i would have to say brian urlacher. i think he's been so bad for years now. LOL they put urlacher's name in the same sentence with Ray Lewis. Its crazy, there's no comparison, there never even was in the past, maybe for like a couple of years, and now that their both approaching high 30s i would say that Lewis is STILL the best LB in the NFL and Urlacher isn't even top 25
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                              • The Madcap
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                                #225
                                Originally posted by ebbearsfb1
                                ike taylor? thats an interesting one... i doubt have the board knows who he is...
                                Ask any Steelers fan. They know. And they know why I'd list him.
                                No more of that talk, or I'll put the leeches on you.
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                                • wilfor1
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                                  #226
                                  I am shocked no one has mentioned TOM BRADY. Every week this guy gets bailed out by his receivers. He had one good season and everyone thought he was great.
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                                  • Goat Milk
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                                    #227
                                    Originally posted by wilfor1
                                    I am shocked no one has mentioned TOM BRADY. Every week this guy gets bailed out by his receivers. He had one good season and everyone thought he was great.
                                    3 rings
                                    2 mvps
                                    16-0 season
                                    50 yard td season
                                    threw 4 interceptions last year (top 5 ever for td-pick ratio)
                                    steve young called him the greatest quarter in the history of the nfl
                                    Cause Sleep is the Cousin of Death
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                                    • sneakerhead
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                                      #228
                                      Originally posted by wilfor1
                                      I am shocked no one has mentioned TOM BRADY. Every week this guy gets bailed out by his receivers. He had one good season and everyone thought he was great.


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                                      • rsnnh12
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                                        #229
                                        Originally posted by wilfor1
                                        I am shocked no one has mentioned TOM BRADY. Every week this guy gets bailed out by his receivers. He had one good season and everyone thought he was great.
                                        I would love to hear how he gets bailed out by his receivers kinda like Woodhead having a pass hit him in the hands, only to drop it and have it picked off? Hernandez dropping a TD pass to have it picked off? Bailed out like that?

                                        "He has the ability and he has a lot of time left, so he will probably pass everybody," Montana told the Daily News. "I never like to say the greatest of all time, but when he is done, he will be the best one who ever played."

                                        Hard to be overrated when the GOAT says you'll be the future GOAT
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                                        • SportsPedagogy
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                                          #230
                                          Originally posted by jsmithj88

                                          rivers got his team to the playoffs more times and has more wins than romo
                                          carson palmer sucked
                                          people are critical of romo because he has shown that he can be elite
                                          but he is just as likely to show u y he isnt elite with bonehead mistakes
                                          Playoffs and WINS are a team accomplishment! They both became starters in 2006 Rivers took the chargers to the playoffs 4 times and Romo took the Cowboys 3 times. Last season Romo had a season ending injury early in the season.

                                          Thats all irrelevant tho, because those are TEAM accomplishments. Rivers was also aided by a solid running game his entire career. Everybody knows Romo is going to throw the ball alot and he still does good. I think Rivers is ranked where he should be, but i honestly feel that Romo is underrated due to all the trendy hate he seems to receive.
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                                          • alamo
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                                            #231
                                            Originally posted by wilfor1
                                            I am shocked no one has mentioned TOM BRADY. Every week this guy gets bailed out by his receivers. He had one good season and everyone thought he was great.
                                            He can be bad at times but I wouldnt call him overrated.
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                                            • Trampas
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                                              #232
                                              Originally posted by wilfor1
                                              I am shocked no one has mentioned TOM BRADY. Every week this guy gets bailed out by his receivers. He had one good season and everyone thought he was great.
                                              Interesting. The main man behind Brady success is Belichick. Quite obvious that he would be nothing only for Belichick. So you could have a small point
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                                              • The Madcap
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                                                #233
                                                I hate Tom Brady, but there is no way that guy is overrated. He's clearly the best QB in the league. He wins. That's what QB's are supposed to do.

                                                I've hated on him his whole career. Early on I felt he was anointed too soon, that his defense and special teams always seemed to bail him out when he had a shitty game. But each year he gets better. He can fit the ball in tight spots and he can place it in space giving his receivers room to make plays. Deion Branch and Wes Welker are two time castoffs, they aren't miracle workers. Randy Moss looked like shit in Oakland. Brady make him look like the best WR since Jerry Rice.

                                                I will say that Brady's pass blocking seems to be far and away the best year in and year out. I've never seen a guy with so much time/room in the pocket. If Phil Rivers had that kind of time maybe he'd be as good as Brady. And Brady does have a great coach, unlike, say the Chargers. If you put Brady on a team with weaker o-line and Norv Turner as his coach, will he look as good? Fuk no. And maybe a guy like Rivers, who can't seem to find the winning touch in big games, maybe he would look as good as Brady with his o-line and Belicheck as coach. It's hard to say. But I don't think you can say Brady is overrated. I'd say Peyton Manning is 10X more overrated than Brady, and that's with the Colts' season falling apart with him on the sidelines.

                                                The best QBs in the league right now are

                                                1) Brady
                                                2) Rodgers
                                                3) Brees

                                                and those are really the only three that matter right now.

                                                Roethlisberger and Rivers round out the top 5. Stafford is moving up. The rest of the top 15 or 20 are all mediocre to serviceable. Some look like straight crap. I'd rather have Cam Newton than anybody outside the top 3/Rivers.
                                                No more of that talk, or I'll put the leeches on you.
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                                                • rsnnh12
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                                                  #234
                                                  Originally posted by Trampas
                                                  Interesting. The main man behind Brady success is Belichick. Quite obvious that he would be nothing only for Belichick. So you could have a small point
                                                  Just curious, how does a defensive genius coach make Brady the QB he is? Its not like Bill is Mike Martz or Sean Payton... he's a defense coach...
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                                                  • uup115
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                                                    #235
                                                    Originally posted by wilfor1
                                                    I am shocked no one has mentioned TOM BRADY. Every week this guy gets bailed out by his receivers. He had one good season and everyone thought he was great.
                                                    Brady could have been killed in a car wreck 3 years ago and would have been in the HOF for the past 2 years already.
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                                                    • Glitch
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                                                      #236
                                                      Brady can still be great And over-rated. Hes a definite first ballot hall of famer and 3-time superbowl champion. However, hes not jesus or elvis presley as some seem to think.
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                                                      • SportsPedagogy
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                                                        #237
                                                        Brady is very comparable to Troy Aikman. Both had good teams around them. The pats still did good even when Tom Brady missed the season.
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                                                        • 5mike5
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                                                          #238
                                                          Vick
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                                                          • jsmithj88
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                                                            #239
                                                            Originally posted by SportsPedagogy
                                                            Playoffs and WINS are a team accomplishment! They both became starters in 2006 Rivers took the chargers to the playoffs 4 times and Romo took the Cowboys 3 times. Last season Romo had a season ending injury early in the season. Thats all irrelevant tho, because those are TEAM accomplishments. Rivers was also aided by a solid running game his entire career. Everybody knows Romo is going to throw the ball alot and he still does good. I think Rivers is ranked where he should be, but i honestly feel that Romo is underrated due to all the trendy hate he seems to receive.
                                                            yes, playoff and wins are team accomplishments
                                                            but again, 1 of the main reasons he is criticized, is because he has elite talent
                                                            but he balances it out with too many critical errors
                                                            so u cant really call him elite
                                                            since he is in a passing offense, he is the main cause of his teams struggles
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                                                            • rsnnh12
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                                                              #240
                                                              Originally posted by SportsPedagogy
                                                              Brady is very comparable to Troy Aikman. Both had good teams around them. The pats still did good even when Tom Brady missed the season.


                                                              He's comparable to Joe Montana, not Aikman.

                                                              The Pats under Cassell won 5 fewer games and averaged almost 2 passing TDs PER GAME less than the previous year with virtually the same roster. Cassell is a good QB, but there was a massive difference between the 2
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                                                              • DwightShrute
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                                                                #241
                                                                hurts me to say it but REGGIE BUSH should be considered
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                                                                • SportsPedagogy
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                                                                  #242
                                                                  Originally posted by jsmithj88

                                                                  yes, playoff and wins are team accomplishments
                                                                  but again, 1 of the main reasons he is criticized, is because he has elite talent
                                                                  but he balances it out with too many critical errors
                                                                  so u cant really call him elite
                                                                  since he is in a passing offense, he is the main cause of his teams struggles
                                                                  Disagreed. There are alot of times he makes a great play before a boneheaded one, only to have his teammates fail. The playoffs vs the giants when Patrick crayton dropped a pass after romo scrambled around. Would have changed that game. (sorry only video i could find.

                                                                  He also hit Austin in the endzone vs the jets and austin couldnt make the catch, next play, nobody go open, Romo had to try and make a play and ended up getting hit from behind and fumbled.

                                                                  The playoff game vs seatle, Romo droped the snap AFTER driving Dallas down there, Romo picked the ball up, if the kicker attempts to make a block, Romo would score and then seatle would need more then a Josh Brown FG to win the game (Which probably would have happened if Dallas made a FG, there was still time left) He also throws a hailmary into the endzone that lands next to Terry Glenn on the last play.

                                                                  i am just saying, there are more guys who mess up then Romo on the team, Romo just seems to be the scape goat. His numbers speak for themselves, highest QB in rating in the 4th q in NFL History .... Romo keeps dallas in the game 99% of the time ... very rarely do they get blown out when he plays. The Fans and media act as if he is a glorified Quincy Carter or drew Henson who is a holding the team back, and that drives me nuts. the guy has skills and is being forced to bail out an average team week in and week out. The first two games after Romo went out, Dallas got blown out ... then they fired Wade Phillips and the team started to pull it together on defense and won a few games.
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                                                                  • jsmithj88
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                                                                    #243
                                                                    Originally posted by SportsPedagogy
                                                                    Disagreed. There are alot of times he makes a great play before a boneheaded one, only to have his teammates fail. The playoffs vs the giants when Patrick crayton dropped a pass after romo scrambled around. Would have changed that game. (sorry only video i could find. He also hit Austin in the endzone vs the jets and austin couldnt make the catch, next play, nobody go open, Romo had to try and make a play and ended up getting hit from behind and fumbled. The playoff game vs seatle, Romo droped the snap AFTER driving Dallas down there, Romo picked the ball up, if the kicker attempts to make a block, Romo would score and then seatle would need more then a Josh Brown FG to win the game (Which probably would have happened if Dallas made a FG, there was still time left) He also throws a hailmary into the endzone that lands next to Terry Glenn on the last play. i am just saying, there are more guys who mess up then Romo on the team, Romo just seems to be the scape goat. His numbers speak for themselves, highest QB in rating in the 4th q in NFL History .... Romo keeps dallas in the game 99% of the time ... very rarely do they get blown out when he plays. The Fans and media act as if he is a glorified Quincy Carter or drew Henson who is a holding the team back, and that drives me nuts. the guy has skills and is being forced to bail out an average team week in and week out. The first two games after Romo went out, Dallas got blown out ... then they fired Wade Phillips and the team started to pull it together on defense and won a few games.
                                                                    come on dude, blaming any1 but romo on the dropped snap is ridiculous
                                                                    u gonna throw the kicker under the bus for not making a block?
                                                                    how about not dropping the snap?

                                                                    i dont think any1 is calling romo quincy carter
                                                                    people who know football and is objective know that he has talent and he does have it
                                                                    but he also has a propencity to screw it up with bad mistakes
                                                                    how about the lions game?
                                                                    i mean, he single handedly gave the lions 2 TD's
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                                                                    • SportsPedagogy
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                                                                      #244
                                                                      Originally posted by jsmithj88

                                                                      come on dude, blaming any1 but romo on the dropped snap is ridiculous
                                                                      u gonna throw the kicker under the bus for not making a block?
                                                                      how about not dropping the snap?

                                                                      i dont think any1 is calling romo quincy carter
                                                                      people who know football and is objective know that he has talent and he does have it
                                                                      but he also has a propencity to screw it up with bad mistakes
                                                                      how about the lions game?
                                                                      i mean, he single handedly gave the lions 2 TD's
                                                                      Yeah,Romo dropped the snap, pissed me off too. He got fired as a snap holder. He did good as a QB to get them there. Did you watch the Lions game ? The first pick was horrid, lofted it short and it fell right into bobby carpenter .... an nobody made a tackle, it wasnt like bobby carpenter ran untouched down the sideline, the entire offense half assed pursued him. No excuse for the pick, but they should have tackled him. That was the difference between a pick 6 and a pick leading to bad field position. The second one was a slant route... i dont know if you played receiver or QB or Coached at all, but slants only get picked off when the receiver isnt hustling. Once again, no tackle and its a pick 6. im not excusing Romo from his mistakes, but football is a team sport. i never hear people talk about when he fights through a rib injury to hand the 49ers and redskins their only loss, but if he turns the ball over.... then hes garbage .... lots of QBs make mistakes and people love to jump the gun and declare somebody a choker .... Steve Young and Peyton Manning were refereed to as chokers for awhile, Peyton manning blew the game vs Dallas last year and the the INT to lose the superbowl. It happens, but when it happens to Romo, its headlines.
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                                                                      • jsmithj88
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                                                                        #245
                                                                        i dont remember people calling steve young a choker
                                                                        peyton manning is a choker, he stunk it up for many years in the playoffs
                                                                        his only superbowl win was off the strong performances of his 2 running backs
                                                                        we know how his other superbowl appearance ended.
                                                                        dude, lots of people gave romo props for playing with the rib injury
                                                                        but that is sure as hell forgotten very fast when u blow a game like he did with the lions
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