Whos the most overrated player in the NFL

[The Madcap]

Overall I'd go with Champ Bailey or Ike Taylor. But some others...

QB: Flacco/Sanchez/Matt Ryan/Jay Cutler all suck compared to expectation about the same.
RB: whoever is the Steelers #1
WR: DeSean Jackson
DE: Julius Peppers
LB: Ray Lewis

[zsr]

Thank you ebearsfb1! I dont know why no one else sees this

[dlunc3]

Are you just in the mood to bash Vick or do you really believe he's responsible for their 1-4 record? Last time I checked he doesn't receive and hold onto his own passes nor play defense...

Don't wry about it.. looking at box scores and records, and not watching the games, I understand why these people say vick... Anyone that watched the games at all though, know that the losses are 100% not on vick and thay he has actually played well.. oh well

[zsr]

dlunc, ive watched every game just like you have, but from an unbiased point of view.

[McBa1n]

Man, there's some really bad analysis in the thread. Who is calling Flacco an elite QB? Wow. You may be watching too much ESPN and getting analysis from their hack 'I don't watch the game' talking heads.
Welker is a 'system' player? Sheesh, you see him when he was in Miami? Revis over-rated? Maybe a touch. Name me 2 better, though? Raiders are better without Asomugah and Eagles are worse? Do you pay attention to the style of defenses they run and what Asomugah's responsibilities are versus recent years?

You certainly can put Eli in that category. Sanchez isn't really rated, he's just on the carpet ride of a good running game and defense and smartly uses his position as a NJ QB to get his name in the paper a lot. Sanchez isn't much of a QB. Definitly not a 'franchise' QB type. He's like Kyle Orton circa the Bears, but without the neckbeard or ability to really sling it.

Matt Ryan? Don't get me wrong, he's a damn fine QB. Guys like Peter King lose their load talking about him. He's over-rated in that regard, but he's still in the top half of NFL QBs, no doubt.

Vick is over-rated. He is exciting. He's not a very bright QB, though. I don't know if he is a top 10 QB. Probably not. I wouldn't want him.

Romo is over-rated. Has been since he won his first ball game.

Brian Urlacher and Lance Briggs are over-rated. Briggs mostly doesn't show up until it's garbage time. For a guy of his ability, he's not all that. Urlacher is a bad tackler. Incredible talent, but very weak tackler. I've seen him blow a lot of plays up only to miss the ball carrier. Just being fair with those guys, they're damn good, but not on the level they're talked about.

Clay Matthews is very talented, but he was being mentioned as defensive player of the year last year. Whaaa? Voters obviously didn't see Juilius Peppers play a whole lot, or some guy named Woodson on his team. He's more media hype than substance. Matthews is definitly over-rated. He's not even a top 3 OLB nor pass rusher.

I don't think you can say a guy like Kolb is over-rated. He was a prospect more than an actual commodity.

hmf. My brain went empty. I'm definitly missing a lot of over-hyped over-rated guys. Most of the over-rating is from sensational media dumbasses that really don't watch most games and fantasy football nits. Football is a team game.
Guys can be productive without stats. Stats are what over-rates most NFL players. If stats were everything, Cam Newon, with but 1 win, might be the best QB to ever put on cleats... And obviously that point that Tebow is the best QB in the NFL right with the ESPN b.s. total QBR.

[ebbearsfb1]

Overall I'd go with Champ Bailey or Ike Taylor. But some others... QB: Flacco/Sanchez/Matt Ryan/Jay Cutler all suck compared to expectation about the same. RB: whoever is the Steelers #1 WR: DeSean Jackson DE: Julius Peppers LB: Ray Lewis

ike taylor? thats an interesting one... i doubt have the board knows who he is...

[SASH]

[quote=zsr;11840089] Without his turnovers there probably 5-0. 6 fumbles and 7 picks, and he hasnt even played every snap! Unreal./quote]


Wow, Wow, Wow!! LMFAO! Your killing me. Do you even watch football???! Have you seen any of the Eagles games this year??? Their defense cant stop a nose bleed! Their defensive line is argueably the worst in football. That line is undersized and soft and they get completely pushed around out there. Their LB's are garbage as well. Thats not even mentioning their offensive line, which is only a notch better than Chicagos. Unbeleivable

[dlunc3]

dlunc, vick is turning the football over at an alarming rate. I watch the games and i can see this, maybe the philly announcers are telling you its not him, but you cant argue with 7 picks and 7 fumbles..without even playing all of the quarters..

How can't I argue with them? Three picks on Sunday were nowhere near his fault, and his pick at the end of the first half week 2 was with no time on the clock just trying to make a play... He does have 3 legitimate picks tho ill admit that, and he needs to hold on to that ball better regarding the fumbles (doesn't help having a terrible oline)... But he has played well enough to be 4-1 or 3-2... Def 3-2 if he didn't get hurt

[zsr]

[quote=SASH;11840227]

Without his turnovers there probably 5-0. 6 fumbles and 7 picks, and he hasnt even played every snap! Unreal./quote] Wow, Wow, Wow!! LMFAO! Your killing me. Do you even watch football???! Have you seen any of the Eagles games this year??? Their defense cant stop a nose bleed! Their defensive line is argueably the worst in football. That line is undersized and soft and they get completely pushed around out there. Their LB's are garbage as well. Thats not even mentioning their offensive line, which is only a notch better than Chicagos. Unbeleivable

Sash man, your missing the point!! Obviously there defense is terrible, there offensive line is terrible blah blah blah. Look at the videos of the game, all im saying is they win every single game if vick doesnt have 7 picks and 7 fumbles! Thats it. The defense sucks, but they've played well enough to give the eagles a chance in every game. Say the picks and the fumbles arent his fault, but the fact remains there 5-0 if he doesnt have those turnovers

[dlunc3]

[QUOTE=zsr;11840269]

Sash man, your missing the point!! Obviously there defense is terrible, there offensive line is terrible blah blah blah. Look at the videos of the game, all im saying is they win every single game if vick doesnt have 7 picks and 7 fumbles! Thats it. The defense sucks, but they've played well enough to give the eagles a chance in every game

Then why did his team blow leads two straight weeks after vick got hurt in the forth quarter?? Doesn't really make sense since you say the team would win without him

[dlunc3]

[QUOTE=zsr;11840269]

Sash man, your missing the point!! Obviously there defense is terrible, there offensive line is terrible blah blah blah. Look at the videos of the game, all im saying is they win every single game if vick doesnt have 7 picks and 7 fumbles! Thats it. The defense sucks, but they've played well enough to give the eagles a chance in every game. Say the picks and the fumbles arent his fault, but the fact remains there 5-0 if he doesnt have those turnovers

You honestly must not have watched any games this yr... Which is fine, no worries

[ebbearsfb1]

good discussion in here..


either way i'd say top 5 overrated players are basically all qbs.

[zsr]

dlunc3, vick lost 2 fumbles and threw a pick in 3 quarters vs atlanta. There up big if that doesnt happen..You cannot be serious right now.

[ebbearsfb1]

tough arguement when your dealing with an eagles homer... no offense dlunc3..


maybe not most overrated player as he is hell of an exictment, but defintely up there until he wins, and stays healthy on regular basis

[dlunc3]

dlunc3, vick lost 2 fumbles and threw a pick in 3 quarters vs atlanta. There up big if that doesnt happen..You cannot be serious right now.

He left his team up 10 with a quarter left, what more can you ask for?

[bobbyk1133]

Feels like im talking to brick walls. Without vick 7 picks and 7 fumbles, there 5-0. Pass blame to everyone else because that whole team has played like shit, but vick has played just as poorly. I dont know how you can argue with that

Did I say Vick wasn't part of the problem? He's been bad and he's been great this year too. But by no means is he the reason they're 1-4. PHI had the lead in the 4th Q in 3 straight weeks and blew it. That's all on the Castillo and the defense. Vick also went out of 2 of those games with injuries and the offense sputtered.

Against ATL? Vick gave them a 2 score lead in the 4th before leaving with a concussion...

NYG? Coach makes stupid call to go for it on 4th n short at midfield....defense blows it...Vick leaves with injury.

SF? Rookie kicker misses 2 easy kicks, defense lets them score 3 TDs from long drives, and Maclin fumbles in field goal range at the end.

BUF? Did you watch the game? His INT's were either the result of getting rocked in the pocket or dropped passes. Defense also sucked for the 4th straight game...

What I do blame Vick for are his fumbles....he's careless with the ball as a runner but that's just his style. He goes into street ball mode and ya just have to live with it. Every QB (with the exception of Rodgers) has flaws...

Let's get real here..



Yes he's surrounded by star skill players, but he's also running for his life behind a scotch-taped O-line...half of the plays they design break down before he completes his dropback.

[zsr]

They would of been up by at least 1 or 2 more scores, and they would of won even with kafka managing the 4th.

[dlunc3]

dlunc3, vick lost 2 fumbles and threw a pick in 3 quarters vs atlanta. There up big if that doesnt happen..You cannot be serious right now.

Lol do you even remmwber when one fumble was and when the pick was? Both on the final drive of the first half with like 10 seconds remaining just trying to make sonehing happen.. neither had any. Effect on the game... Wow, watch a game and stop staring at box scores

[zsr]

tough arguement when your dealing with an eagles homer... no offense dlunc3.. maybe not most overrated player as he is hell of an exictment, but defintely up there until he wins, and stays healthy on regular basis

I agree, until he wins or completes 16 games he has to be considered overrated. Never gonna win this argument against a homer which is shocking because i would be pissed off if vick was my teams quarterback.

[bobbyk1133]

Lol do you even remmwber when one fumble was and when the pick was? Both on the final drive of the first half with like 10 seconds remaining just trying to make sonehing happen.. neither had any. Effect on the game... Wow, watch a game and stop staring at box scores

Relax This guy is either a straight up hater or doesn't know football....maybe both

All I know is I'd much rather have Vick than Mcnabb or Kolb at this point. Elite QB's don't grow on trees and Vick is what he is.

For PHI...QB is the least of their concerns right now. Anyone with a clue already knows this.

[dlunc3]

Did I say Vick wasn't part of the problem? He's been bad and he's been great this year too. But by no means is he the reason they're 1-4. PHI had the lead in the 4th Q in 3 straight weeks and blew it. That's all on the Castillo and the defense. Vick also went out of 2 of those games with injuries and the offense sputtered.

Against ATL? Vick gave them a 2 score lead in the 4th before leaving with a concussion...

NYG? Coach makes stupid call to go for it on 4th n short at midfield....defense blows it...Vick leaves with injury.

SF? Rookie kicker misses 2 easy kicks, defense lets them score 3 TDs from long drives, and Maclin fumbles in field goal range at the end.

BUF? Did you watch the game? His INT's were either the result of getting rocked in the pocket or dropped passes. Defense also sucked for the 4th straight game...

What I do blame Vick for are his fumbles....he's careless with the ball as a runner but that's just his style. He goes into street ball mode and ya just have to live with it. Every QB (with the exception of Rodgers) has flaws...

Let's get real here..



Yes he's surrounded by star skill players, but he's also running for his life behind a scotch-taped O-line...half of the plays they design break down before he completes his dropback.

Wow, could not have said it any better myself... Finally someone that actually watches the games... Good stuff man.. you are right on with every point you made

[zsr]

dlunc make another thread guaranteeing the eagles crush the bills and win out, and then talk about the pats when all you do is look at box scores, and then to counter that tell other people all they do is look at box scores..Your impossible to have a good discussion with because your such a homer. Enjoy last place. Vick will lead the league in turnovers and in wont be his fault, right..

[dlunc3]

dlunc make another thread guaranteeing the eagles crush the bills and win out, and then talk about the pats when all you do is look at box scores, and then to counter that tell other people all they do is look at box scores..Your impossible to have a good discussion with because your such a homer. Enjoy last place. Vick will lead the league in turnovers and in wont be his fault, right..

Wrong again... Yes I thought they would beat the bills, but I said they will win 9 games, which I still think they will.. I'm sorry you are a hater, browns fan maybe? Have a good night buddy

[zsr]

Bobby, the fact that vick leaves every other game in the 4th quarter is his fault and its part of why he's overrated. How can you be worth 100 mill when you cant finish a game? That whole team is a mess though, and your right that wouldnt be doing any better with donovan or kolb..Thats just a bad football team. Serious question, should they draft a quarterback with the top 10 pick there gonna get? I think you have to think about it..vicks not getting any younger

[dlunc3]

Did I say Vick wasn't part of the problem? He's been bad and he's been great this year too. But by no means is he the reason they're 1-4. PHI had the lead in the 4th Q in 3 straight weeks and blew it. That's all on the Castillo and the defense. Vick also went out of 2 of those games with injuries and the offense sputtered.

Against ATL? Vick gave them a 2 score lead in the 4th before leaving with a concussion...

NYG? Coach makes stupid call to go for it on 4th n short at midfield....defense blows it...Vick leaves with injury.

SF? Rookie kicker misses 2 easy kicks, defense lets them score 3 TDs from long drives, and Maclin fumbles in field goal range at the end.

BUF? Did you watch the game? His INT's were either the result of getting rocked in the pocket or dropped passes. Defense also sucked for the 4th straight game...

What I do blame Vick for are his fumbles....he's careless with the ball as a runner but that's just his style. He goes into street ball mode and ya just have to live with it. Every QB (with the exception of Rodgers) has flaws...

Let's get real here..



Yes he's surrounded by star skill players, but he's also running for his life behind a scotch-taped O-line...half of the plays they design break down before he completes his dropback.

[SASH]

[quote=zsr;11840269]

Sash man, your missing the point!! Obviously there defense is terrible, there offensive line is terrible blah blah blah. Look at the videos of the game, all im saying is they win every single game if vick doesnt have 7 picks and 7 fumbles! Thats it. The defense sucks, but they've played well enough to give the eagles a chance in every game. Say the picks and the fumbles arent his fault, but the fact remains there 5-0 if he doesnt have those turnovers

UHHH No..... Week 1 (STL) -WIN
Week 2 (ATL)-Eagles up 10 points when Vick exits in the 4th,
DEFENSE gives up ass and they lose
Week3 (NYG)- dont know what happened, didnt watch the game
Week 4 (SF) -Eagles up 21-3 in the 2nd half, DEFENSE gives up
ass again and they lose. Final drive of the game Eagles still have
a chance to win, Vick drives them down to put them in position
for a winning field goal, WR fumbles deep in SF's territory..turnover
no chance for fg, game over.
Week 5 (BUF)- Offensive line giving Vick ZERO protection. Vick is
getting killed out there (like usual with that O-Line). DEFENSE is
giving up ass in this game AGAIN. Granted, Vick did have some
turnovers, but this is directly correlated to that bullshit offensive
line of his. Also some of those turnovers were freakish atypical
types where the ball gets tipped or bounces of the recievers
hands, etc....The Eagles are not 5-0 without Vicks turnovers,
lmao, come on man. Please

[SASH]

[quote=dlunc3;11840357]

You honestly must not have watched any games this yr... Which is fine, no worries

I didnt post that????? That was posted by zsr not me! Ok dlunc3. I'm with you

[zsr]

I try to have civil debates with you guys but i mean my lord, watch the games on nfl replay or something..Vick wouldnt have to drive his team down to win at the end of the game if he wasnt turning the ball over once a quarter. You guys have to just be trolling me. Im glad i dont take this forum too seriously lol.

[zsr]

Sash your the same guy that says revis doesnt get safety help. Im gonna need to pull a jon gruden and make a vid breaking down the film with you guys.

[bobbyk1133]

Bobby, the fact that vick leaves every other game in the 4th quarter is his fault and its part of why he's overrated. How can you be worth 100 mill when you cant finish a game? That whole team is a mess though, and your right that wouldnt be doing any better with donovan or kolb..Thats just a bad football team. Serious question, should they draft a quarterback with the top 10 pick there gonna get? I think you have to think about it..vicks not getting any younger

Absolutely not. I'm not saying Vick can win a Super Bowl...I'm not sure about that, but he will give them a chance to win every game. Look at the talent around him...its almost impossible not to put up points.

They either need to trade all their draft picks for a defensive coordinator or find a way to resurrect Jim Johnson. That and re-build their O-line. Jason Peters is amazing, but when they signed him they didn't know a left-handed QB would be their future. That diminished Peters value. A capable MLB would help a lot too, but every team is going to have holes somewhere...

All that stands in the way of PHI being a contender is a D coach with a clue...there's so much talent going to waste right now.

[zsr]

Yea i think O-line probably too, but they have to rebuild that entire thing. Danny watkins was a strange pick, i know he's been hurt but he has been terrible. There not a superbowl team though thats for sure. If desean walks after this year though there in even more trouble

[SportsPedagogy]

Lol @ Romo overrated . That's some loss poor football analysis right there. Look at the receivers Romo throws too... You think Miles Austin came out of no where ? What ha Patrick Crayton done in San Diego with Phillip rivers ? Jason Witten is always covered yet Romo still getsthe ball to him. He has one ofthe highest yards per pass attempt in NFL history. The rest of the Dallas offense is overrated. I love how people think they are some offensive juggernaut being held bak by Romo. Amazing. Felix jones is overrated!

[beerman2619]

at you douchebags thinking Vick isn't overrated. He gives the Eagles a chance to win every game . Are some of you really this bucking stupid? The guy is a turnover machine clowns. If the Eagles didn't have him qb vs the Packers last year in playoffs probably would of won. Turnover machine Vick loses more games then wins kids. Go look at some stats and tell me Mike Vick is a good qb

[bobbyk1133]

Also I wouldn't count PHI out of the division race yet. A win over WSH changes the entire landscape of the NFC East. But in reality it looks like PHI is toast. The rumor that they are going to bring in a defensive "consultant" during the bye week is a huge red flag that Castillo is in way over his head. I would just go ahead and fire him if they can't shut down Rex "wannabe starter" Grossman.

[dlunc3]

Yea i think O-line probably too, but they have to rebuild that entire thing. Danny watkins was a strange pick, i know he's been hurt but he has been terrible. There not a superbowl team though thats for sure. If desean walks after this year though there in even more trouble

Pay attention buddy... No he has not been hurt, he was benched bc he is not ready yet.. hopefullyy he will learn quick