Ron Paul CNN Interview 02/09/12
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Radical concepts apparently. Ron Paul could really bring that change that Obama lied about. Here's the chance for American people to get real change. It won't happen though. If Ron Paul ever becomes close to being a threat to getting the nomination the powers that be would remedy that quickly.Comment -
The problem with Ron Paul would be he would do away with things that we need with regulation. Even Bill Maher agrees with some of the things would do but there is several things that Bill Maher disagrees with strongly also. I did hear that he is planning on interviewing Ron Paul on his show and that should be very interesting.Comment -
I will wager that Bill M treats him with great respect. He realizes RP has a fine mind but as a progressive he has to disagree with much of what he is saying. I would like to hear that interview like you said it would be very interesting. But, I think both men will be courteous and you know sometimes that is not a strong point for BM. lolComment -
he is the only one worth voting for and he wont make itComment -
Bill's going to love about 1/2 of what Paul has to say and and hate the other half. Bill's going to be all for legalizing pot and prostitution and hate doing away with environmental and business regulations. Bill will be split on the isolationism Paul supports.
That's Paul's main problem... whatever side most people fall on they only support 50% of his ideas and hate the other half. The mainstream GOP'ers hate the drug legalization and prostitution ideas as well as the extreme isolationism but love the idea of doing away with all the regulations.Comment -
Tully mars I agree with you on your statement here. Bill Maher wants to do away with these wars and legalizing certain drugs but as far as other things Bill will disagree strongly but Bill Maher said on Overtime I seen yesterday that he thinks Ron Paul has some very good ideas though but getting rid of some of these protections that the government does he thinks that is crazy to do that. Like I said it would be a very interesting debate on his show and if I find out Ron Paul will be on there I will let everyone know about it. I have his facebook page saved so when he announces his guests he will have I get it a few days before his show is on.Comment -
I hate to sound like Mr. Conspiracy Theory but...
Stuff like this gives me a double take. I've said all along that Texas could very well be Paul's best path to a serious shot at the nomination and that he had a good shot with voters. The only thing I saw standing in his way would be if the Texas GOP party leaders found some way to get around the popular vote. I read articles like the above with lines like-
And I have to think they (party leaders) might have found the way to negate the popular vote.“We will be looking to try to figure out a different way to pick delegates,” said Steve Munisteri, chairman of the Texas GOP. “It's going to make us a very busy party over the next couple of months."
Anyone who's followed any of my posts here knows I'm not voting for Paul. I like about 50% of what he proposes and can't stand the other 50%. But I seriously think he's getting the shaft just often enough to keep him from being seen has a legitimate candidate.Comment -
I agree that Ron Paul is a mixed bag, but the crony system is so disgusting that Ron Paul seems like the voice of reason.
I'm voting for Ron Paul he's the only one with actual ideas (even if some seem terrible). These other guys are like jello.Comment -
I can understand that thinking and respect your decision. I like some of what Paul wants to do but some of it sounds like "hey this car isn't driving well in this blizzard... let's get out and walk. You know like people used to do." Ya, people also used to freeze to death crossing the Rockies too. Calls to "end the Fed!" and "return to the gold standard!" at a time when basically no other economy does that and the world has truly become a "global community" sounds like a disaster to me. Also not a fan of his foreign policy. There's no reason for us to be the worlds police, certainly no reason we should be paying for the pleasure of spilling our younger generations blood every time some Jack Wad decides he's the new Hitler/Stalin/Pol Pot... et el. But there's no reason we shouldn't work with our allies to resolve such issues. His "Meh, so what if Iran gets a nuke? We're not even sure that's what they're doing and lots of countries have nukes.. so what?" Is a little more then worrisome to me.
Plus I think we need to work to correct the system not throw 80-90% of it in the trash and replace it with "Meh, it will resolve itself with "market corrections."Last edited by Tully Mars 63; 02-17-12, 10:36 AM.Comment -
Regarding the Fed system, the reason the rest of the world runs on fiat currency is because the U.S. dominates the world currency market and a lot of that is due to the U.S. being the only superpower. If we went back to the gold standard, so would the rest of the world because the rest of the world's currency is basically rooted in U.S. dollars anyway. So, the argument about "that's how the rest of the world does it" is pretty meaningless. We drive the world economy, not the other way around, at least for the moment.
Regarding Iran's nukes, Ron Paul's position is not "Meh ...". Ron Paul's position on Iran is the same as his position on Iraq before we invaded, we don't want them to have nukes, but they don't have nukes. We are setting up another phony war and if don't think this is Iraq all over again, you're fooling yourself.
Regarding your last point, I'm not even sure exactly what you mean. It sounds like a generic slur against the Austrian school. As for policy, Ron Paul simply wants to remove federal power from irrelevant issues like gay marriage and abortion and return it to the states. The federal government has enough problems with key issues like monetary policy and foreign relations to get caught up in such petty squabbling amongst the church and local communities.Comment -
I'm on a small vacation for Carnival in Cancun so I'm no going to spend a lot of time addressing you point by point. I might do so when I return home Weds. or Thurs. But to say the US drives the world economy is a little out dated and getting more out dated all the time. It's kind of like saying the US is #1 in education" when really we're like 12th or something. We used to be, slowly we're becoming "has beens. To think we'll change and the rest of the world will follow suite is naive at best in my opinion.
My last statement wasn't meant as a slur at all it's just what I hear when Paul speaks. He often make comments about, basically, Isolationism. And the free market will correct everything. We don't need regulations to keep companies from polluting or stealing employees pension plans... the free market will solve it. People won't work for companies that treat them poorly. If that were even slightly true things like Eron et el would have never happen, neither would the banking collapse ... or do you believe such dirty business doings are caused by regulations?
Not my best effort at a respond, my apologies I was out until 5am drinking and dancing. My head hurts, my feet stink and I don't love Jesus... if I don't die by Thursday I'll be roaring Friday night. Now I'm headed to the pool for some hair of the dog so I'm ready for tonight.Last edited by Tully Mars 63; 02-19-12, 12:18 PM.Comment -
'or do you believe such dirty business doings are caused by regulations?'
Actually, yes. In the case of Enron, they were above the law, they were able to evade standard process and audits due to their influence. When gov't regulates, it regulates the "have nots" while the cronies like Enron can run fast and loose above the law. Imagine if instead of one Enron, there were a dozen smaller Enrons and none of them having a defacto gov't endorsement? People would be more careful and be able to diversify more easily between these competing "Enrons", especially knowing that these companies will be allowed to collapse on a much more regular schedule rather than being propped up again and again by a bankrupt gov't. People would understand the natural process of business rather than being confused by this bankrupt anti-business Stalinesque politbureau system of corruption that we have today.
As for U.S. and education, that's a totally different subject. If you want to point me to some data, I'll be glad to look at your specific claim. In my experience, it's a hotly politicized topic and data is notoriously manipulated to make one case or another. Again, you say the U.S. is falling in world rankings, which is a constant drum beat I've heard my whole life. Care to cite some specific data on this so I can understand what you're really talking about?
Don't worry about responding until you can do your best research. Enjoy your vacation, I'll still be around when you get back.Comment -
this is all fixed
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Excellent, simply excellent explanation of flawed caucases.
Like I told Mr. Pickle; that fat lady hasn't sang yet.
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its so obvious the elites want romney
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Hell no to Ron Paul for President.
First, auditing the fed would be utterly disastrous. Why expose the flaws of our central banking system to the world? It would probably trigger widespread panic throughout sovereign debt markets. Countries would divest in the dollar, severely crippling America's buying power and hindering our status as a reserve currency.
Second, America's "super power" status is the direct result of this nation's superior military might. Why give other aspiring "super power" states a huge strategic advantage by voluntarily downsizing our international military presence? Our ability to effectively wage war is what keeps lesser nations in check.
Third, the national deficit is an overblown issue. The majority of America's debt is held by the Federal Reserve, not China (contrary to popular belief). Please note that when other countries buy our debt, they're investing their wealth into America's continued prosperity. This trend gives America a huge economic advantage. If America fails, then the world fails with it. If a U.S. debt default were to occur, the world would be forced to prop up America's economy (and credit worthiness) to protect their bond investments.
This isn't a traditional debt obligation. Japan, Saudi Arabia, China, Germany (etc.) can't claim ownership rights on America's most prized assets in the event of a default. America has all the power, even in a default situation.
Ron Paul's proposed policies would **** it all up. That's why I can't support him.
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just curious, what is your occupation?Hell no to Ron Paul for President.
First, auditing the fed would be disastrous. Why expose the flaws of our central banking system to the world? It would probably trigger widespread panic throughout sovereign debt markets. Countries would divest in the dollar, severely crippling the America's buying power and reserve currency status.
Second, America's "super power" status is the direct result of country's superior military might. Why give other aspiring "super power" states a huge strategic advantage by voluntarily downsizing our international military presence? Our ability to effectively wage war is what keeps lesser nations in check.
Third, the national deficit is an overblown issue. The majority of America's debt is held by the Federal Reserve, not China (contrary to popular belief). Please note that when other countries buy our debt, they're investing their new-found wealth into America's continued prosperity. This trend gives America a huge economic advantage. If America fails, then the world fails with it. The world would be forced to prop America's economy up to protect their investments.
This isn't a traditional debt obligation. Japan, Saudi Arabia, China, Germany (etc.) can't claim ownership rights on America's most prized assets in the event of a default. We have all the power, even in a default situation.
Ron Paul's proposed policies would **** all of that up. That's why I can't support him.Comment -
You. Are. A robot.Hell no to Ron Paul for President.
First, auditing the fed would be disastrous. Why expose the flaws of our central banking system to the world? It would probably trigger widespread panic throughout sovereign debt markets. Countries would divest in the dollar, severely crippling the America's buying power and reserve currency status.
Second, America's "super power" status is the direct result of country's superior military might. Why give other aspiring "super power" states a huge strategic advantage by voluntarily downsizing our international military presence? Our ability to effectively wage war is what keeps lesser nations in check.
Third, the national deficit is an overblown issue. The majority of America's debt is held by the Federal Reserve, not China (contrary to popular belief). Please note that when other countries buy our debt, they're investing their new-found wealth into America's continued prosperity. This trend gives America a huge economic advantage. If America fails, then the world fails with it. The world would be forced to prop America's economy up to protect their investments.
This isn't a traditional debt obligation. Japan, Saudi Arabia, China, Germany (etc.) can't claim ownership rights on America's most prized assets in the event of a default. We have all the power, even in a default situation.
Ron Paul's proposed policies would **** all of that up. That's why I can't support him.
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Romney may have done deal to make Paul his running mate.
After tonight's debate, in which Ron Paul and Mitt Romney repeatedly attacked Rick Santorum over his 16-year record in Congress, the former US Senator for Pennsylvania hinted that something nefarious was going on.
"You have to ask Congressman Paul and Governor Romney what they've got going together," Santorum told reporters in the spin room in Mesa, Arizona. "Their commercials look a lot alike and so do their attacks."
Santorum's top strategist John Brabender went even further, charging that the two men had "joined forces" and were coordinating attacks against his man
"Clearly there's a tag team strategy between Ron Paul and Mitt Romney. For all I know, Mitt Romney might be considering Ron Paul as his running mate. Clearly there is now an alliance between those two and you saw that certainly in the debate."
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2012 Republican ticket? Ron Paul and Mitt Romney
The was also coordination in their attack ads, he charged. "Ron Paul for all practical purposes has pulled out of Michigan. Correct? Where's he running negative ads against Rick Santorum? Michigan.
"It was interesting to me that if you watch Ron Paul when he came into the debate, he wrote negative things about Rick Santorum down because when he started to get questions he would immediately pick up his paper and start mentioning Santorum stuff."
He added: "What is amazing to me this shows a remarkable ability by Romney, who has already proven to be the most negative man in history on TV, now he's even training his opponents to be negative for his benefit and actually I think that takes remarkable skill."
The Romney campaign ridiculed the notion there was any coordination. "If ever there was an iconoclast who got up there and said what he believed, it's Ron Paul," said Stuart Stevens, Romney's chief strategist.
"The President of the United States's political action committee is now running ads that are just like Rick Santorum's. Is Rick Santorum coordinating with the President of the United States? I don't think so.
"So I think that's a sort of whiney silliness. It would not even be a question if he [Santorum] felt that he'd answered these questions better.
"To say, 'People are ganging up on me' in a debate where there's only four people in the debate and they're raising questions kind of speaks for itself."
MORNING UPDATE:
As many commenters point out, a much more plausible scenario than a Romney-Paul ticket would be some kind of future role for Senator Rand Paul. Or it could simply be that Ron Paul, knowing he cannot win the nomination, is positioning himself for maximum influence at the Tampa convention - he's all about furthering the cause of his movement rather than personal advancement.
I was on the Scott Hennen Show this morning talking about this and Scott drew my attention to Ron Paul's apearance on the show on February 7th in which he addressed this issue on the back of a Washington Post story about a "strategic alliance" between the two candidates.
Paul's denial was not exactly definitive. "Not exactly, I mean I never sat down with Mitt and said 'Well let’s do this or that'," he said. "There’s no doubt that he’s been more of a gentleman when I talk to him. It’s never been in my interest to go after him. Everyone else was doing that.
"Matter of fact, I don’t even like that part of politics. But then on the other side of this, we did some ads where we called him a flip flopper, and things like that. There’s nothing strategic. There’s been no decision. The staffs have talked to each other on some of the things like debates – and which debates we should go to – I don’t know how many things we have a strong agreement on.
"Our foreign policies are different - he certainly is not attacking the Federal Reserve – and his record up in Massachusetts wasn’t anything I could get too enthusiastic about, but I would say that the most important thing is that he’s someone I could talk to. I sort of like that approach in everything I do."Comment -
I don't see a Romney-Paul ticket. This is pretty far out fringe wackadoo talk in a world of fringe wackadoo talk.
The reason why Santorum is under attack is because he's the front runner at the moment. Same thing happened to Newt & Mitt.Comment -
Seems Paul finally beat the Big Three on something?
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Interesting article.Comment -
I don't get it. The guy wins every debate. People always seem to love him, but he never gets the votes. I hope voters change their tune.Comment -
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This is the only candidate that garners the most love and respect of Americans, that also has a good chance of beating Obama.
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Ron Paul/Piers Morgan CNN Interview 03/01/12
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Any citizen that doesn't vote for this great man will regret it til the day you die. Don't forget, Philly and I told you!
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My usual response to brilliance!
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I've been in the hospital with pneumonia for a week and a half... after last nights results I'm kind of surprised to see this thread still going.
Now I slump my a$$ back to bed to see how much green lung butter I can cough up in one afternoon.Comment -
This thread, like allof the Paul Supporters, is finished. I knew they would disappear as soon as the phony got his clock cleaned. Where is PhillyFlier, RonPaul2008, Abe, and all of the other phonies who think they know about politics? Cowards. Every single one of them. Afraid to face the music.Comment
