1. #141
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    Just so you know and make your own decisions yourself. Here is a conversation on another site. Ben is the employee of creditwagering.

    Rissa says:
    how long have you been in business?
    Ben says:
    this site just launched last week. Our partners have been in business for years
    Rissa says:
    why is there 3 different sites?
    Ben says:
    what
    Rissa says:
    http://creditwagering.com http://www.ipodprivacy.net http://www.spanishdrills.com
    Rissa says:
    all the same site
    Ben says:
    those other sites are just traffic gathering sites
    Ben says:
    no clue who they are but they have our pages and links on them
    Ben says:
    there were 10 last week, now 5
    Ben says:
    i think they use names that are not active for traffic building
    Rissa says:
    so I can signup at http://www.spanishdrills.com/signup/
    Rissa says:
    but yet you said you don't know what the site is
    Ben says:
    goes to our domain, thats where it is pointed
    Ben says:
    never heard of them
    Ben says:
    maybe they had the ip we have now before
    Ben says:
    i will have to check with our techs..thats probably the case, as our isp is the largest in costa rica

    Ok you got all that.

    Whois Server Version 2.0
    Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
    with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
    for detailed information.
    Domain Name: CREDITWAGERING.COM
    Registrar: GODADDY.COM INC.
    Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com
    Referral URL: http://registrar.godaddy.com
    Name Server: NS1.EASYDNS.COM
    Name Server: NS2.EASYDNS.COM
    Status: clientDeleteProhibited
    Status: clientRenewProhibited
    Status: clientTransferProhibited
    Status: clientUpdateProhibited
    Updated Date: 06-feb-2008
    Creation Date: 21-dec-2007
    Expiration Date: 21-dec-2008

    Whois Server Version 2.0
    Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
    with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
    for detailed information.
    Domain Name: IPODPRIVACY.NET
    Registrar: ENOM INC.
    Whois Server: whois.enom.com
    Referral URL: http://www.enom.com
    Name Server: DNS1.NAME-SERVICES.COM
    Name Server: DNS2.NAME-SERVICES.COM
    Name Server: DNS3.NAME-SERVICES.COM
    Name Server: DNS4.NAME-SERVICES.COM
    Name Server: DNS5.NAME-SERVICES.COM
    Status: clientDeleteProhibited
    Status: clientTransferProhibited
    Updated Date: 12-dec-2007
    Creation Date: 10-jan-2006
    Expiration Date: 10-jan-2009

    Whois Server Version 2.0
    Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
    with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
    for detailed information.
    Domain Name: SPANISHDRILLS.COM
    Registrar: ENOM INC.
    Whois Server: whois.enom.com
    Referral URL: http://www.enom.com
    Name Server: DNS1.NAME-SERVICES.COM
    Name Server: DNS2.NAME-SERVICES.COM
    Name Server: DNS3.NAME-SERVICES.COM
    Name Server: DNS4.NAME-SERVICES.COM
    Name Server: DNS5.NAME-SERVICES.COM
    Status: clientDeleteProhibited
    Status: clientTransferProhibited
    Updated Date: 26-mar-2007
    Creation Date: 24-apr-2005
    Expiration Date: 24-apr-2008

    www.giftcardsgalore.net
    Whois Server Version 2.0
    Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
    with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
    for detailed information.
    Domain Name: GIFTCARDSGALORE.COM
    Registrar: GODADDY.COM INC.
    Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com
    Referral URL: http://registrar.godaddy.com
    Name Server: NS27.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
    Name Server: NS28.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
    Status: clientDeleteProhibited
    Status: clientRenewProhibited
    Status: clientTransferProhibited
    Status: clientUpdateProhibited
    Updated Date: 24-nov-2007
    Creation Date: 13-oct-2004
    Expiration Date: 13-oct-2008

    Ok they said someone made up the giftcards site to copy them yet it was made 4 years prior to cw even being in existence. Btw, all 4 sites have the exact same look.

    www.spanishdrills.com
    The IP address of www.spanishdrills.com is 200.122.132.68
    The IP address 200.122.132.68 is assigned to Costa Rica
    City SAN JOSE
    ISP SERVICIO CO-LOCATION RACSA.

    www.creditwagering.com
    The IP address of www.creditwagering.com is 200.122.132.68
    The IP address 200.122.132.68 is assigned to Costa Rica
    City SAN JOSE
    ISP SERVICIO CO-LOCATION RACSA.

    www.ipodprivacy.net
    The IP address of www.ipodprivacy.net is 200.122.132.68
    The IP address 200.122.132.68 is assigned to Costa Rica
    City SAN JOSE
    ISP SERVICIO CO-LOCATION RACSA.

    www.giftcardsgalore.net
    The IP address of www.giftcardsgalore.net is 200.122.132.68
    The IP address 200.122.132.68 is assigned to Costa Rica
    City SAN JOSE
    ISP SERVICIO CO-LOCATION RACSA.

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    Gets more interesting


    Heck I might play there now

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    it would be interesting if SBR could take pictures of their office

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    Quote Originally Posted by picantel View Post
    www.spanishdrills.com
    The IP address of www.spanishdrills.com is 200.122.132.68
    The IP address 200.122.132.68 is assigned to Costa Rica
    City SAN JOSE
    ISP SERVICIO CO-LOCATION RACSA.

    www.creditwagering.com
    The IP address of www.creditwagering.com is 200.122.132.68
    The IP address 200.122.132.68 is assigned to Costa Rica
    City SAN JOSE
    ISP SERVICIO CO-LOCATION RACSA.

    www.ipodprivacy.net
    The IP address of www.ipodprivacy.net is 200.122.132.68
    The IP address 200.122.132.68 is assigned to Costa Rica
    City SAN JOSE
    ISP SERVICIO CO-LOCATION RACSA.

    www.giftcardsgalore.net
    The IP address of www.giftcardsgalore.net is 200.122.132.68
    The IP address 200.122.132.68 is assigned to Costa Rica
    City SAN JOSE
    ISP SERVICIO CO-LOCATION RACSA.
    Here is a little larger list of sites that point in that direction:

    1 BESTBETPOKER.COM
    2 GIFTCARDSGALORE.NET
    3 IPODPRIVACY.COM
    4 IPODPRIVACY.NET
    5 IPODPRIVACYSCREEN.COM
    6 MANAGEMYDIET.COM
    7 MANAGEMYFITNESS.COM
    8 MGTGAMING.COM
    9 POKERILLINOIS.COM
    10 POKERLOVER.ORG
    11 PROPOKER.ORG
    12 SPANISHDRILLS.COM

    Also, 200.122.132.68 is a Costa Rica Ip address. Let's trace it and see how it gets there:

    TraceRoute to 200.122.132.68

    Hop (ms) (ms) (ms) IP Address Host name

    4 140 3 2 129.250.10.189 ge-1-14.r04.hstntx01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net
    5 2 1 1 129.250.4.233 xe-1-3-0.r20.hstntx01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net
    6 8 11 9 129.250.3.129 as-0.r20.dllstx09.us.bb.gin.ntt.net
    7 15 8 6 129.250.2.59 ae-0.r21.dllstx09.us.bb.gin.ntt.net
    8 9 8 6 144.232.8.121 sl-st20-dal-14-2.sprintlink.net
    9 7 10 9 144.232.20.82 sl-bb27-fw-6-0.sprintlink.net
    10 10 10 7 144.232.11.73 sl-bb24-fw-14-0.sprintlink.net
    11 38 40 39 144.232.9.36 sl-bb22-orl-2-0.sprintlink.net
    12 38 38 38 144.232.2.149 sl-bb21-orl-13-0.sprintlink.net
    13 40 38 40 144.232.2.225 sl-gw8-orl-0-0.sprintlink.net
    14 83 86 84 144.232.145.86 -
    15 83 83 85 200.122.150.1 host1-racsa.co.cr
    16 84 83 98 200.122.132.68 -

    Now the site creditwagering.com is registered at GoDaddy with their Domains by Proxy. Which basically means the owner wants to remain private. Now there are something like 1 to 3 million sites, I can't remember exactly the number, registered with GoDaddy's Domains by Proxy.

    However, the IP address is a Costa Rica site, so you must search the Lacnic site at http://whois.lacnic.net

    Which of course gives you this:

    inetnum: 200.122.132.0/25
    status: reallocated
    owner: Servicio Co-Location RACSA
    ownerid: CR-SCRA2-LACNIC
    responsible: Luis Kopper
    address: Calle 1, Avenida 5, 3790,
    address: 54-1000 - San Jose -
    country: CR
    phone: +506 287-0087 []
    owner-c: LUK2
    tech-c: LUK2
    created: 20050623
    changed: 20050623
    inetnum-up: 200.122.128/19

    nic-hdl: LUK2
    person: Luis Kopper
    e-mail: kopper@RACSA.CO.CR
    address: Avenida 5, Calle 1, 3790,
    address: 54-1000 - San Jose -
    country: CR
    phone: +506 287-0446 [446]
    created: 20031029
    changed: 20080312

    ------------------

    From that you can search the owner I.D. if you wish: CR-SCRA2-LACNIC

    owner: Servicio Co-Location RACSA
    ownerid: CR-SCRA2-LACNIC
    responsible: Luis Kopper
    address: Calle 1, Avenida 5, 3790,
    address: 54-1000 - San Jose -
    country: CR
    phone: +506 287-0087 []
    owner-c: LUK2
    created: 20050602
    changed: 20050602

    nic-hdl: LUK2
    person: Luis Kopper
    e-mail: kopper@RACSA.CO.CR
    address: Avenida 5, Calle 1, 3790,
    address: 54-1000 - San Jose -
    country: CR
    phone: +506 287-0446 [446]
    created: 20031029
    changed: 20080312

    inetnum: 196.40.15.0/25
    inetnum: 196.40.46.0/25
    inetnum: 196.40.46.128/25
    inetnum: 196.40.71.0/25
    inetnum: 196.40.71.128/25
    inetnum: 196.40.84.0/25
    inetnum: 196.40.84.128/25
    inetnum: 200.122.132.0/25
    inetnum: 200.122.132.128/25
    inetnum: 200.122.160.0/25
    inetnum: 200.122.160.128/25

    ------

    However, you will notice that 200.122.132.68 is not one of the IPs listed. Maybe someone with more tech savvy will be able to figure it out. Maybe someone at RACSA.CO.CR knows what is happening, maybe even Luis Kopper. Who knows?

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    Good luck to all!!

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    You will get it,dont worry. They have been nothing but professional to me.

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    Maybe the reason for all the different domains is to get more customers. if someone is searching for giftcards or ipod they might see the link to ipodprivacy.net or giftcardsgalore.net and click it. Then they see a gambaling site offering $1,000 to play with. This might lure in someone who knows nothing about gambaling, who will probably end up losing the $1000 and end up paying.

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    Breaking News:

    I just got off the phone with the OSGA. Here is what I am told.

    1)They have a scam alert on cw right now and are advising people not to even sign up.
    2)The guy said he has dealt with over 1000 sportsbooks and this is the only one who asks for the last 4 digits of your SS, asks for a personal question like mothers maiden name, and asks for birthdate. He stated with this information(and since credit is my specialty I know this for a fact) they can steal your credit and credit card numbers and everything else.
    3)Any check you receive from them and cash will allow them to have your bank account information.
    4)He said there are a bunch of kids i.e. guys in the 20s who are known for running a credit theft scam out of costa rica and this is their MO.
    5)Godaddy was contacted and disavowed being responsible for anything cw does which he found odd as any sponsored legitimate site would be defended.
    6)He said when they put out scam alerts the sportsbooks affected(if not a scam) always contact them but cw has remained silent which is found highly against the norm.
    7)He said sportsbooks when registering take out a minimum of 3 years until the book expires. CW took out a 1 year lease so to speak. He said that is a first in over 1k sportsbooks.

    I am waiting for an email from him.

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    Here is the email.

    ***** OSGA Bad Bet Alert*****

    Avoid:
    Credit Wagering- creditwagering.com

    Reason for today's alert:
    They appear to be a fly-by-night scam operation.

    Blacklist Notes:
    We had received an inquiry on a brand new website where they give you $1000
    in credit to play with. So, we checked out creditwagering.com. You only have
    to send them money if you lose $400 or more. They will only send you money
    if you win in excess of the same amount. The max wager is $100. They will
    give you a 100% bonus if you post up funds.

    Specific Notes:
    This website was created in December 2007 and their registration expires in
    December 2008. The creditwagering.com website has no phone numbers to
    contact and though they claim they are in Costa Rica, there is no valid
    information filed within their Internet registration.

    The website registration or sign-up page asks for the last four numbers of
    your Social Security number, your birthdate and a common security question,
    in addition to the usual name and address info. You can enter anything into
    these fields and it will get you started. We entered completely bogus
    information and were given an account. Why would you have to enter the last
    four of your SS# if it is not going to be verified? It is because this is an
    obvious scam operation. This is a classic attempt at identity theft. They
    are dangling the credit carrot to phish player information.....there is no
    other explanation for this.

    In today's offshore gambling climate, the business model of Credit Wagering
    is simply not viable. Why would a loser ever pay.......

    Recommendation:
    AVOID CREDIT WAGERING

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    5dimes uses a 3rd party processor and they only ask for this information if you are using a check. CW is the only site that asks for this information upfront. Look, it is your choice to play or not. A few people have done some research and posted the results. The most telling fact for me is cw denying they have anything to do with the other websites that were created years before cw even came into existence. If that doesn't raise a red flag to you then don't come moaning later when you get robbed blind.

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    what if you cashed thier check at a check cashing joint...then they wouldn't have your bank info....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff101 View Post
    what if you cashed thier check at a check cashing joint...then they wouldn't have your bank info....
    That is what I would do personally if you found a check cashing place willing to do it. However, the OSGA is under the impression that the main scam has to do with getting the other information for credit theft. I have done credit stuff for over 7 years. You would be amazed at how easily your information can be changed with the credit bureaus. I have been the victim of dozens of id thefts and watch my credit on a daily basis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by picantel View Post
    Breaking News:

    I just got off the phone with the OSGA. Here is what I am told.

    1)They have a scam alert on cw right now and are advising people not to even sign up.
    2)The guy said he has dealt with over 1000 sportsbooks and this is the only one who asks for the last 4 digits of your SS, asks for a personal question like mothers maiden name, and asks for birthdate. He stated with this information(and since credit is my specialty I know this for a fact) they can steal your credit and credit card numbers and everything else.
    3)Any check you receive from them and cash will allow them to have your bank account information.
    4)He said there are a bunch of kids i.e. guys in the 20s who are known for running a credit theft scam out of costa rica and this is their MO.
    5)Godaddy was contacted and disavowed being responsible for anything cw does which he found odd as any sponsored legitimate site would be defended.
    6)He said when they put out scam alerts the sportsbooks affected(if not a scam) always contact them but cw has remained silent which is found highly against the norm.
    7)He said sportsbooks when registering take out a minimum of 3 years until the book expires. CW took out a 1 year lease so to speak. He said that is a first in over 1k sportsbooks.

    I am waiting for an email from him.
    I am curious as to why OSGA didn't get the contact information from GoDaddy. Once they disavowed as stated above, they are no longer obligated to keep that info private as stated in their terms of service. The private service is an extra fee service they offer, but have been know to give out person information with just a phone call.

    Now, one thing I would like to add. A friend of mine works in the repo business, reposing cars. With just an address he can get your driver license number, with that he can get your SS #. There are a few online pay services that offer these services. Just search around the web and you will find them. Of course they do a criminal background check of all members, but this is still somewhat scary. Anyway, all this about stealing your identity is so easy now-a-days it makes you really think about those new places that will protect your identity. Anyway, just remember, anyone who is a member of any of the sites that give out SS# can easily steal your identity.

    In the long run, if CW is paying out money to the winners, it seems a rather expensive way to steal an identity, but who knows. Too early to tell...

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    I used a website that is used to track down email IPs to their original source(used to track 411 scammers). It starts in costa rica but when it tries to go closer to the source the IPs state either blocked, firewalled, or looped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by picantel View Post
    I used a website that is used to track down email IPs to their original source(used to track 411 scammers). It starts in costa rica but when it tries to go closer to the source the IPs state either blocked, firewalled, or looped.
    I don't know if this helps, but I believe their email IP is 200.122.132.69 I believe I saw this registered somewhere a few days ago, so I am not 100% sure if I am remembering correctly...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DukeJohn View Post
    I don't know if this helps, but I believe their email IP is 200.122.132.69 I believe I saw this registered somewhere a few days ago, so I am not 100% sure if I am remembering correctly...
    Yep that is the originaltion. It breaks down from there.
    127.0.0.1
    5.32.62.93
    5.69.223.167

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    i will not able to request a withdrawal for this week. I came a little late. i will have to wait next sunday.

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    Here's a live chat I just had with them....
    Please wait. A representative will be with you shortly.
    Ben says:
    Hello pete account xxxxxx. My name is Ben how can I help you?
    pete account xxxxxx says:
    Hi Ben..I've using your site for a week now and would like to know if you will be offering more sporting bet options in the future??
    Ben says:
    of course
    pete account xxxxxx says:
    I have a number of friends interested in joining but they are concerned you guys won't be around longterm
    Ben says:
    tell them to waut then
    Ben says:
    we are here for the laung haul
    Ben says:
    wait
    pete account xxxxxx says:
    I'm going to give your site a chance to work to me but others question it...
    Ben says:
    I understand
    Ben says:
    we are new
    Ben says:
    we have a concept never tried before
    Ben says:
    time will make them all believe
    Ben says:
    by football season, they will all wish they had joined before
    Ben says:
    but we are in no hurry
    pete account xxxxxx says:
    are you prepared to handle the volume of business for deposits and withdrawals
    Ben says:
    we are twice the size already than we had hoped for
    Ben says:
    of course
    Ben says:
    will offer ************ for funding maybe as early as next week
    Ben says:
    will have our own debit cards for payouts within 3 weeks
    pete account xxxxxx says:
    I don't believe you are a scam and over time people will see this
    Ben says:
    thatnk you for giving us a try, you will not be disappointed
    Ben says:
    thank you

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    I'm going to cash my check at CheckSmart.

    I'll probably pay a $50 fee, but I don't care.

    So OSGA thinks this is run by a bunch of kids, stealing identities, opening up new credit accounts?

    If you think about it, that could work.

    The amount that one can win is limited to $1000 a week, but that takes a lot of luck/skill. This keeps their payouts rather small...maybe $50,000 a week?

    If they are able to steal your identity, they could have ************ opened in your name for $10,000 limits, probably.


    Hmmmm....

    They have the last 4 of my SSN
    Phone #
    my favorite sport (i didn't pick place of birth or mother's maiden for security question)
    My student ID

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    I will suck any mans rooster who gets paid from this outfit



    You suck my rooster if anyone pays these guys

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    Everyone should have some kind of fraud alert by now...we give out all kinds of info these days..online banking...online bill pay...online buying of stocks..it's all there for the taking....

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyl View Post
    Did you try to request a w/d or did you ask live chat?

    I asked live chat if I could on Monday night after I sent my ID, he said yes, I requested it through the site and it's been listed as "pending" since then.. I'm hoping by todays end it's sent out but I have my doubts seeing as how it's getting later. It would suck to wait another week.
    Two days ago, i tried to withdraw some funds from my creditwagering account via their cashier page.
    I asked them (via live chat) to cancel my withdrawal because i didn't have my ID scanned. This morning at 9:30, i got my ID scanned, so i decided to ask for a payment. My withdrawal request was declined. I got this error message "You have no funds to withdraw at the present moment." I said to myself, what the ****?! how come i have no funds to withdraw, i have over $600. Ben told me that i could only make a withdrawal during a specific period of time, between Sunday midnight and Wednesday morning (9:00 a.m). So, i was 30 mins late. I will have to wait until this Sunday to ask for another withdrawal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by framboise View Post
    Two days ago, i tried to withdraw some funds from my creditwagering account via their cashier page.
    I asked them (via live chat) to cancel my withdrawal because i didn't have my ID scanned. This morning at 9:30, i got my ID scanned, so i decided to ask for a payment. My withdrawal request was declined. I got this error message "You have no funds to withdraw at the present moment." I said to myself, what the ****?! how come i have no funds to withdraw, i have over $600. Ben told me that i could only make a withdrawal during a specific period of time, between Sunday midnight and Wednesday morning (9:00 a.m). So, i was 30 mins late. I will have to wait until this Sunday to ask for another withdrawal.
    They do this because they are short staffed..gives them between today and Sunday to work on all the prior requests and to try and settle monies owed...

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    Quote Originally Posted by horseplayer69 View Post
    I will suck any mans rooster who gets paid from this outfit



    You suck my rooster if anyone pays these guys


    1-9 he already lost the $1,000 and won't pay.

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    they just said they haven't received my ID.
    weird.

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    Yes a few times..Like all of you ! you guys are going to sit here and drink diet coke and tell me if you lost a dime to this outfit you would send them 10 $100 bills?


    if so your a big idiot then most people

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    Horseplayer...say you would win a dime at a book. Would you expect them to pay you or would you say good game you can keep the money?

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    they received my info.

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    anyone have an idea why they don't have a phone number?

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    Quote Originally Posted by framboise View Post
    anyone have an idea why they don't have a phone number?
    Why should they ? Some of the largest poker sites have no phone numbers.


    If they did you kids would be bombarding them with stupid ass questions.

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    i would understand if they would be as big as pokerstars or partypoker but they are not. it looks like if they want to hide something. every good sportsbooks has a phone number. why not them?

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    even the bad gambling sites has a phone number.

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    when you're in business, you must have a phone number.
    you don't tell your clients "sorry, you can't call me but you can always send me an e-mail". it doesn't make you look serious, you know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by framboise View Post
    even the bad gambling sites has a phone number.
    Why would you then join a book that is worse than the bad gambling sites? It is like a big bitch fest in here with the exception of some useful posts/updates.

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    who said they worst than the -F rated sites?

    To me, when you run a business, it is necessary to have a phone number. it makes you look credible.

    if you have a company, i'm sure you have a phone number.

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