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    Very slowly:

    But if they didn't collect $250 from your bank account, and you didn't make any bets, beted didn't lose anything and they're not going to be claiming that you have $250 of their money. It doesn't matter. If I send a deposit request and it is denied, for whatever reason, even if I put it through 40000 times, the book isn't going to claim that I owe them money.

    So, if they either didn't get $250 from you, or they got $250 from you and your bank took it back, they haven't lost anything.

    So, again, why does beted claim that you owe them money?

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    I don't know why beted is claiming I owe 249.58. I know I didn't authorize a deposit for that amount. I didn't authorize a 2nd deposit of 250 either... But I'm being sent to collections for the 249.58.

    My assumption is this draft went through and the bank later took it back via my claim so now they consider it an oustanding debt with them. How they got to 249.58 was to avoid the stop pay. I'm not sure or how it came to that. Most companies that are legit would accept that the funds aren't available for withdrawal and contact there client/business.

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    I advise finding out why they think you owe them money. The possibilities to me seem these:

    a. The money is sitting in your account, available for betting, and beted is too dumb to take the money out of your account and so is billing you instead.
    b. beted has taken the money out of your account and two of their departments (accounting and bad debts or something) haven't discussed it. They could fix it immediately if this is the case.
    c. you are lying about something, most likely that you bet the money from the transaction you didn't authorise.

    If c. is not true, just try to log into your account and/or call them and straighten it out in five minutes.

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    I would obtain all relevant information you can about your account and what their position is by logging in and obtaining your account history if accessible, and by communicating directly with them. If the matter cannot be resolved in this way, I would send all the documentation (preferably something more than a letter from your bank stating that they don’t regard you as obligated to pay BetEd or -----, since your bank has zero knowledge of what offshore wagers you may have made at BetEd) and your side of the story to SBR, and ask them to contact BetEd on your behalf and see if they can resolve it.

    That approach might well have saved you a great deal of the “money, time, energy and stress” this matter has cost you.

    And if your feeling is, “Well it’s too late to bother with that now; as long as their collection agency can’t touch me, screw ’em, I don’t need to resolve it,” understand that books share lists of alleged scammers and stiffs, and you may find that BetEd has put you on such a list. Even if they’re lying or mistaken in claiming you owe them money, it’s in your self-interest to correct any such claims.
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    The automated email beted sent me said the account was closed/frozen. I never authorized the charge I dont really care to deal with them anymore. I mean would you? There trying to debit your account without authorization? They got the 250.00 for the 1st deposit. If they don't consider that square thats fine. I don't plan on ever going back there again. I don't think a book is going to turn you down for being on a list for 249.00... If they do I will find another book.

    Once the collection agency is gone, I'm completely done with this.

    I don't know why so many people insist on going back to the book to discuss this problem? Why would you go sit there deal with shitty customer service bang your head into the window for 15minutes to who knows how long while you wait for someone to actually fix the problem... They will deny most of what I say, i will have to fax information make sure someone competent can review it... I mean just think about it... Who would want to go through all that crap a bad book does to make you withdrawal. Now think about trying to clear a debit up that shouldn't even be there...

    I mean thats like asking someone to go run into an electric fence...

    Meanwhile You can send 1 letter and get the collection agency out of the picture...

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    Well, yes, if a company is under the false impression I owe them money, especially if it’s a company I’ve done business with and we had some ambiguous communication that I subsequently was concerned they might think meant I wanted to make a deposit to them, then I would likely discuss the matter with them and try to resolve it. I’d at least be curious what their grounds were for thinking I owe them money.

    It sounds like by choosing an alternate route you went through a lot more “money, time, energy and stress” than just sending a letter to a collection agency.

    But to each his own.

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    My banks been pretty good/quick about it all. I know the bank is legit. After being screwed around by Beted/BetUS. I'm ok with just dealing with a legit company that will handle the problem instead of sportsbooks.

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    All of this over $250?

    LMAO at beted, they are a bunch of **************.

    They told me that my dispute wasn't worth their time since it was only for "a measly $500".

    They then went on to spend hours and hours of their resources on coming up with refutes to my claims.

    I am going to get a lawyer and sue them.
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    My last point is when i suggested he check his account, he said he didn't want to. he didn;t do it so he didn;t need to check. Funny no mention of the account being locked.

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    I haven't gone back. I got an automated email saying the account was frozen/locked. I have no reason to go back. Why would you go back?

    See you guys want to go back and work it out with a book. Books don't just admit they are wrong. The only thing going back does is gets me in an disagreement with the book and at this point in time they will say its there payment processor this isn't our problem. Or it would be a long process to resolve it with the book. I'm not liable for this debt I have documentation for that. I will get this resolved through other means and never use Beted again.

    The books really don't have to do anything here... They don't answer to anyone other than there owner/manager. I don't see why you guys are insisting on working with a book. A sportsbook doesn't want to help you they wan't your money and that's it.

    This stuff is 4 months old I would have to request a password etc things like that. At this point in time I'd have to find the automated email to see if I even know my acct id/pw. Beted has never wrote me. They have never called me, they have never done anything regarding this situation other than send an automated email.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robmpink View Post
    My last point is when i suggested he check his account, he said he didn't want to. he didn;t do it so he didn;t need to check. Funny no mention of the account being locked.
    What is checking the account going to accomplish. If the money is there, they would have taken it upon not receiving the payment.

    Checking the account makes no sense. How does the arguement of I never went back hold up when you start logging on to check things out? I haven't gone back and why should I start now?

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    With respect, you're being stupid. If you don't care about this, why post about it? If you do, why not solve it in half the time it'd take you to write a letter and go through the debt-contesting process with a collection agency or your bank. Either you don't value your own time, don't care about the collections thing (either of which are fine with me), are lying about something, or are just being pigheaded. If the money is in your account and they can just call off the dogs, you have spent 10x the time posting about it here that it would take to just solve the problem.

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    I care about having the collectiosn agency resolved. There is a difference between being taken to collections and being threatened without a leg to stand on.

    The letter my bank is sending out will resolve all of this. Along with my do not contact me, and I did not authorize these charges.

    I don't need to defend what happend and what you guys think happened. It wasn't you. If you like having 250.00 stolen out of your account why dont' you just start sending me $$$. I'm not defending myself anymore.

    The tips regarding this thread did show me how to handle the situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by purecarnagge View Post
    I care about having the collectiosn agency resolved. There is a difference between being taken to collections and being threatened without a leg to stand on.

    The letter my bank is sending out will resolve all of this. Along with my do not contact me, and I did not authorize these charges.

    I don't need to defend what happend and what you guys think happened. It wasn't you. If you like having 250.00 stolen out of your account why dont' you just start sending me $$$. I'm not defending myself anymore.

    The tips regarding this thread did show me how to handle the situation.

    So the bank did a full investigation? Sure they did. All you did was fill out a form. The letter from the bank doesn't mean that much. Did the bank investigate your Beted account? Don't be silly. I could make 10 credit card charges in an account and lose. Then I could call the credit card company and say I didn't make the charges. The more you say you didn't use the funds, the more likely Bed Ed will get involved and supply SBR w/ info saying you used the funds. Then what will you say? You thought you had $$ left from an older bet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robmpink View Post
    So the bank did a full investigation? Sure they did. All you did was fill out a form. The letter from the bank doesn't mean that much. Did the bank investigate your Beted account? Don't be silly. I could make 10 credit card charges in an account and lose. Then I could call the credit card company and say I didn't make the charges. The more you say you didn't use the funds, the more likely Bed Ed will get involved and supply SBR w/ info saying you used the funds. Then what will you say? You thought you had $$ left from an older bet.

    w/e you say, you seem to be on top of it all. It doesn't matter what I say anymore. I've said more than enough and the naysayers will continue to come up with scenario's on how wrong I am. And how I'm such a liar...

    I asked for help and I got it. I'm done posting on this.

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    xxxxxx,

    We closed your file!
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    Thank you its nice to hear that. My bank will still be forwarding the documentation just to have this all documented in writing.

    Thanks!

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    I'm sceptical of anyone who is concerned enough to bad mouth a sportsbook and scared of a collections agency but doesn't want to resolve the core issue.

    I'll give you a free pass on this, maybe you're just confused?

    The amount of $249.58 would have to have been your FIRST DEPOSIT with beted. Again for clarification it's the FIRST DEPOSIT you ever made that you're disputing here. They use a verifciation system to ensure you're the person making the deposit the FIRST TIME.

    i.e. You deposit $250 and then you have to go to your online bank statement and find the exact amount they debited (In this case $249.58) and they do not enter the money into your account until you back into your account and type in the exact amount you saw debited in your online bank statement.

    You did make an itial deposit of $250 correct? If so, then the $249.58 is it, pay up.

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    I hate to say this purecarnagge but because I work at a bank I see this all the time with maybe...payday loan places. I find it hard to believe your story, mainly because you refuse to simply take 30 seconds to login to your beted account and see if the money was there, check you last wagers against when the transaction occured, basic things like this that would either provide a reasonable explanation or show they made a mistake in which they would probably take the action needed to correct it. Most places simply do not take money for the sake of doing so, especially a B-rated book with no seemingly prior history of such things.

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    My first deposit was for 250.00 I lost that betting NFL. I then went to deposit another 250.00, decided not to after the bonus options were presented to me. The rep made a big deal about it. I told him not to go anywhere near my account, that I wasn't going to authorize any other debits, After the rep made a big deal about it, I called my bank to stop any transactions from them on my account. I would have closed the account but I had a rent check pending.

    The 2nd attempt was refused by the bank as I paid for a stop pay. The third attempt was done for 249.58 to avoid the stop payment on the account.

    The collection agency has closed this issue. I've never had a late payment or been taken to collections over anything (hence my concern with this issue as my bank said this was resolved). I'm also in the process of buying a house and didn't want a 250.00 hiccup to screw with that.

    Beted has had other negative threads posted about them. I don't care what you think. If they had a case I would be going into collections...

    Thanks for bumping 1 week old threads.

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    For the record, I have been in discussions with BetEd about this particular dispute. Of note, 1. They do not agree with the player's version of the facts, and 2. I do not believe they can legally pursue this debt in the U.S.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin7 View Post
    For the record, I have been in discussions with BetEd about this particular dispute. Of note, 1. They do not agree with the player's version of the facts, and 2. I do not believe they can legally pursue this debt in the U.S.
    If they disagreed with my "version" which is the truth, why would they never contact me? Everyone asked why I didn't contact them? Why didn't they contact me?

    Edit

    I'm just done with this thread from now on. The only thing thats happening is accusations. If beted wants to take it up with me they have my information.
    Last edited by purecarnagge; 03-23-08 at 11:15 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mason View Post
    I'm sceptical of anyone who is concerned enough to bad mouth a sportsbook and scared of a collections agency but doesn't want to resolve the core issue.

    I'll give you a free pass on this, maybe you're just confused?

    The amount of $249.58 would have to have been your FIRST DEPOSIT with beted. Again for clarification it's the FIRST DEPOSIT you ever made that you're disputing here. They use a verifciation system to ensure you're the person making the deposit the FIRST TIME.

    i.e. You deposit $250 and then you have to go to your online bank statement and find the exact amount they debited (In this case $249.58) and they do not enter the money into your account until you back into your account and type in the exact amount you saw debited in your online bank statement.

    You did make an initial deposit of $250 correct? If so, then the $249.58 is it, pay up.

    This sounds logical. It offers an explanation for the unusual determination not to log back into the account.

    The issue seems to revolve around WHY 250 turned into 249.58.
    Purecarnage is suggesting outright theft. But that doesn't explain why he doesn't want to log into his account.

    I have no opinion. Merely observing, and just my 0.42 cents.

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    He already said beted turned off his account. IT cannot get much simpler than that.

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    The following response is from BetEd:



    Everyone,

    We would like to provide the facts regarding this player.

    First and foremost, we do not accept any initial deposits via the telephone, period. All initial deposits must be entered online, by the players. The player entered the following deposit himself;

    Date: 12/1/2007 11:47:58 AM

    IP Address: xx.xxx.xx.XX

    Amount: $249.58 (the player actually deposited $250.00, which he was credited with. $249.58 is the unique amount, which the player was required to validate)

    The player subsequently logged in numerous times and placed 19 sports wagers (all IP addresses were logged). On, 12/2/2007, the player lost the balance of his funds, and his account balance was $0.00.

    The transaction was then returned, REVOKED BY CUSTOMER, on, 12/7/2007. This means, the player specifically revoked the transaction, after he fully wagered and lost the balance of his funds.

    At no time did the player attempt to make a 2nd deposit. Again, all transactions are logged and tracked.

    The history of this player is straight-forward. This player is fraudulent and continues to provide fraudulent statements in the forum, in his attempt to tarnish our good name.

    We have provided this information to SBR, in our hope to remove any speculation, as to why this fraudulent customer was sent to collections. The customer has since been removed from collections, as we don't expect the collections company to have any success in retrieving this debt.

    We would hope that players such as this would not be supported, as it encourages fraudulent activity.

    Regards,

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    I would hope a forum member isn't trying to pull a fast one over the eyes of other forum members, but it would be difficult not to interpret that information, especially if it's all logged, as such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Horse View Post
    I would hope a forum member isn't trying to pull a fast one over the eyes of other forum members, but it would be difficult not to interpret that information, especially if it's all logged, as such.
    I've stated my case numerous times. I've never changed what I've posted. I've posted the facts. Let beted come on here and tell everyone who fraudulent I've been. I'll laugh. I know what I authorized and what I didn't authorize to be done.

    If this was all true, then why isn't there processor taking me to collections still? Instead there collection agency is receiving a letter about how they released my name to online forums. My understanding is a collection agency can only verify your employment, etc... They are not entitled to release your information to the general public or confirm/acknowledge your debt with anyone else other than the person being taken to collections.

    For example, the collector can confirm your employment or address. However, your debts are your business and a debt collector may not tell your family members or co-workers about your debts.

    Anyways, you guys know my side of the story, and I'm tired of this

    From now on everything you guys say is absolutely true. I've defended myself long enough on here and its not worth it. I've said everything that needs to be said on here.

    I'd rather be known as at thief/scammer/welcher/nonpayer/beted hatar than continue to
    over and over again with this. I can't force people to believe me. I've made my case. If beted or there processor had a case this would have been resolved back in December and not the end of March.

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    Should be rather easy to verify the BetEd logs.

    Purecarnage, you threw this out here, and SBR can be trusted to get to the bottom of things. Why worry? And why expect people to believe you blindly without considering the other side?

    I have a hard time believing that this book is going to risk its reputation for 250 bucks. What on earth would be their motive? But anything is possible.
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    Pure Carnage is now trying to play a little misdirection game about what collections agencys can and can't do which has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that he pulled a scam, got caught and came running here trying to con other posters (Which he did) and use SBR's good name to weasel out of his debt. It worked though as some posters jumped at the opportunity to help this fraud.

    It's really very simple. PureCarnage would never have had money in his account until he logged in and verified the EXACT dollar amount he saw on his online bank statement. It's at that point they add the funds. Pretty clear cut really.

    Or is it? Perhaps someone got into his computer, stole his online banking information, and proceeded to do nothing with it except confirm the first $249.58 deposit at beted. Which do you think happened?

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    If a forum member would knowingly try to con every poster here that would be a new low. Very different than someone coming in here for the purpose of telling a fake story. One of the parties is lying and I hope SBR fully exposes the guilty party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mason View Post

    It's really very simple. PureCarnage would never have had money in his account until he logged in and verified the EXACT dollar amount he saw on his online bank statement. It's at that point they add the funds. Pretty clear cut really.
    I never verified any amount for deposit for 249.58. They are saying I made a deposit/verified it and bet it out, then deposited again verified it and bet it out? At least thats my take from Justins post... I never once verified a deposit with them other than submitted my original deposit (which I never verified, I just provided my checking info). The original deposit I went for broke on some sunday games and lost it. I openly admit that. I never verified/authorized any amount that appeared on my bank statements, for first or 2nd transactions. Upon seeing the amount on my statement I immediately called my bank advising them the transaction WAS NOT AUTHORIZED.

    I had a stop pay placed on the company for 250.00 because I did not want to do business with them. The transaction did not post until Tuesday it showed up as a 12/3/07 transaction date.

    So Beted is saying I logged in bet this money out after that? Thats pathetic, the following weekend I was at a family Christmas over 150 miles away driving back home in the middle of an ice/sleet storm going thru Iowa 2 weeks before Christmas...

    Here is there email to me...

    Your InstantCheck deposit, initiated on 2007-12-01 11:47 has FAILED due to insufficient funds or incorrect information. Transaction details are as follows: Transaction date: 2007-12-13 12:31 EST
    Deposit amount: $250.00
    Transaction ID: xxxxxxxx-xxxx
    The amount of this deposit will be subtracted from your balance, and any winnings on your account since the transaction date will be rolled back.

    As a security measure, your ability to process InstantCheck and Credit Card deposits has now been suspended. To reinstate this ability, we require that you contact our customer service department at help@beted.com or by telephone at 1-877-772-3833.


    so again please tell me about this 249.58 I was suppose to verify when you initiated the transaction for 250.00... I didn't notice this until 12/4/07 or maybe the 5th. It was dated 12/3/07 as posting to my account. It was reversed by the bank as an unauthorized charge.

    I received that email Thursday, December 13, 2007 11:31 AM

    Keep in mind a stop pay was on my account for ----- and the amount of 250.00 as the bank claimed they could not do a company block, only a company/amount stop pay. Then after the 249.58 was run through, they advised me to close the account and open a new one. I have since switched banks.


    I will not make any more posts regarding this thread, if SBR moderators wish to contact me they have the PM function and I will respond.
    Last edited by Justin7; 01-16-09 at 02:37 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by purecarnagge View Post
    They are saying I made a deposit/verified it and bet it out, then deposited again verified it and bet it out?
    No, that certainly isn't how I read BetEd's statement. Their allegation I believe is the following:

    On December 1 you entered your relevant bank account information on the BetEd site for an *************** deposit of $250.00.

    BetEd placed $250.00 in your BetEd account.

    BetEd (or the third party that handles their e-checks) attempted to collect $249.58 from your bank account. (They requested that amount rather than the exact $250 deposit amount because as a part of their verification process to make sure that is really your bank account, they make it an odd amount that they then require you to successfully identify before allowing further transactions with that account.)

    You wagered on December 1 and December 2 and lost the entire $250 balance.

    Their attempt to collect this $249.58 from your bank account failed because you instructed your bank to revoke the transaction (the equivalent of doing a ********** with a credit card, or putting a stop payment on a paper check).

    This left your BetEd account at -$249.58.

    BetEd suspended your *************** and credit card privileges and asked you to contact them to rectify the problem with your account.

    When that didn’t work and your account remained in the negative, they had a collection agency contact you to try to get the $249.58. This was a bluff, since an offshore book or a collection agency they hire has no way to collect on a gambling debt if you don’t pay voluntarily.

    You called their bluff (after soliciting opinions on this forum to make sure you could get away with it) and refused to pay BetEd or the collection agency.

    BetEd realizes they have no way of getting back the $249.58 you owe them and thus are dropping the matter.



    So BetEd is not claiming you made a successful first deposit, and then made a second deposit that they were unable to collect. Their position is that they’ve been unable to collect a penny from you for any deposit. So if you bet at BetEd and lost (which you admit), then you owe them money.

    One way you could show that their claims are inaccurate is by producing a bank statement showing a December *************** for $249.58 (or $250 for that matter) that went through successfully from your bank account to BetEd and was not subsequently revoked later the same month.

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    When in doubt, turn to chaos theory:

    Quote Originally Posted by TLD View Post
    TLD hits the nail squarely on the head here.--Ganchrow, December 7, 2007

    Quote Originally Posted by Justin7 View Post
    The following response is from BetEd:

    Everyone,

    We would like to provide the facts regarding this player.

    Date: 12/1/2007 11:47:58 AM

    IP Address: xx.xxx.xx.XX

    Amount: $249.58 (the player actually deposited $250.00, which he was credited with. $249.58 is the unique amount, which the player was required to validate)

    The player subsequently logged in numerous times and placed 19 sports wagers (all IP addresses were logged). On, 12/2/2007, the player lost the balance of his funds, and his account balance was $0.00.

    The transaction was then returned, REVOKED BY CUSTOMER, on, 12/7/2007. This means, the player specifically revoked the transaction, after he fully wagered and lost the balance of his funds.
    Last edited by Bill Dozer; 04-18-08 at 03:34 PM.

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