Is Betphoenix Still Affiliated with SBR?

**Fishhead** · 03-05-11, 11:59 AM

SBR B+ rating, my guess is yes.

**Cap dat 4ss** · 03-05-11, 12:00 PM

Sbr ratings mean nothing anymore. Everyone knows this.

**Fishhead** · 03-05-11, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by Cap dat 4ss

Sbr ratings mean nothing anymore. Everyone knows this.

SBR RATINGS OVERALL are a tremendous resource for any punter playing offshore.

Obviously, a few entities are flawed by advertising dollars, either in a negative or positive way.

**pavyracer** · 03-05-11, 12:05 PM

Looks like March 1st they stopped being a sponsor. No money no honey.

**Fishhead** · 03-05-11, 12:07 PM

Originally posted by pavyracer

Looks like March 1st they stopped being a sponsor. No money no honey.

Can SBR confirm this?

**pavyracer** · 03-05-11, 12:11 PM

Originally posted by Fishhead

Can SBR confirm this?

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/sbr/betphoenix/

Downgraded on 2/17/11..a couple days after the points increase deadline and the debacle on points purchases for freeplays who were denied. Then in retaliation BP cuts sponsoring with SBR.

Fishhead have you ever finished a jigsaw puzzle in your life?

**FourLengthsClear** · 03-05-11, 12:15 PM

Originally posted by Fishhead

SBR RATINGS OVERALL are a tremendous resource for any punter playing offshore.

Obviously, a few entities are flawed by advertising dollars, either in a negative or positive way.

For US facing books, I would agree.

For European books, the ratings are becoming increasingly irrelevant. The fact that they stoutly refuse to even give a rating to the Asian books (SBOBet, 188Bet etc.) is quite telling.

**Fishhead** · 03-05-11, 12:19 PM

Originally posted by pavyracer

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/sbr/betphoenix/

Downgraded on 2/17/11..a couple days after the points increase deadline and the debacle on points purchases for freeplays who were denied. Then in retaliation BP cuts sponsoring with SBR.

Fishhead have you ever finished a jigsaw puzzle in your life?

Don't have time for puzzles, I'm a grinder.

**borednaz** · 03-05-11, 12:52 PM

I hope this one gets figured out, I want to drop my $200 there to become pro.

**Mr KLC** · 03-05-11, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by borednaz

I hope this one gets figured out, I want to drop my $200 there to become pro.

I'd drop it somewhere else. BetPhoenix is no longer on the list.

**geebert74** · 03-05-11, 12:57 PM

There needs to be a CBA talk about this...

Maybe filing an extension will help the situation... Everyone just needs to give a little so we, the players, can get back to the action.

**geebert74** · 03-06-11, 10:27 AM

Is there any official SBR word on this?

**jjgold** · 03-06-11, 10:31 AM

Never liked the book

too many payout wrinkles

**jstblaze** · 03-06-11, 10:32 AM

It seems pretty clear to me.

WHy the need to make it specifically bet phoenix?

**Fishhead** · 03-06-11, 10:34 AM

Originally posted by jjgold

Never liked the book

too many payout wrinkles

That is a good way of putting it...........

**Nicky Santoro** · 03-06-11, 10:41 AM

i don't like this one bit. i just sent them 2 large deposits. Fred the CS mgr tells me they have never been stronger than now. He and Richie gave me their word a few days ago that i'd never get cut off or lower my limit, or take me off the reduced juice.. yesterday night i log in and I find a 20 cent line... I am pissed as hell...I emailed richie and no answer. then i come to SBR and find out they are off here and off of SBR lines. My last withdrawal has not made it to my bank yet in over 1 month, but richie says he's looking into it.. Now i read that they just dropped the ratings from B+ to B because they haven't paid a guy in 1 yr..

Billy, what is going on here?? Give me some news.. I don't like this one bit, especially putting me on that crappy 20 cent line.. Billy, johnny, what is going on at BP?? I need to know.. i am not a happy camper right now..

**Fishhead** · 03-06-11, 10:45 AM

Originally posted by Nicky Santoro

i don't like this one bit. i just sent them 2 large deposits. Fred the CS mgr tells me they have never been stronger than now. He and Richie gave me their word a few days ago that i'd never get cut off or lower my limit, or take me off the reduced juice.. yesterday night i log in and I find a 20 cent line... I am pissed as hell...I emailed richie and no answer. then i come to SBR and find out they are off here and off of SBR lines. My last withdrawal has not made it to my bank yet in over 1 month, but richie says he's looking into it.. Now i read that they just dropped the ratings from B+ to B because they haven't paid a guy in 1 yr..

Billy, what is going on here?? Give me some news.. I don't like this one bit, especially putting me on that crappy 20 cent line.. Billy, johnny, what is going on at BP?? I need to know.. i am not a happy camper right now..

**obamaismyuncle** · 03-06-11, 10:49 AM

BP called me on Friday looking, well actually begging for a deposit. Bonuses, reduced juice, blah blah blah....dude wouldn't let me hang up. I declined to redeposit with them.

**BIGDAY** · 03-06-11, 10:51 AM

I also have a chunk of my roll there as well.

**Fishhead** · 03-06-11, 10:53 AM

Originally posted by BIGDAY

I also have a chunk of my roll there as well.

Are you going to be taking it out soon?

**Richards** · 03-06-11, 10:56 AM

Hopefully everything going ok. Maybe a post football season dry patch for BP?

**Nicky Santoro** · 03-06-11, 11:00 AM

i'm not worried i get stiffed there. richie has owed way way more in the past and i always got paid.. and i know they are always slow in paying out but always pay.. You should have seen 1 yr ago this week. i was owed so freakin much and for 6 months, i was chasing them each day and they were lying to me and NOTHING.. they were giving me NOTHING.. lie after lie, after lie. i thought for sure they'd close shop and stiff me. but they paid me a decent amount since.. this amount is not as high. but what i'm most pissed about is they took me off reduced juice after richie and Fred promised me a few days ago i'd be on for life.. Also, them being off SBR completely is not sitting with me too well. billy, why are they off??

Richie, put me back on reduced juice. what the hell you want me to do with that garbage 20 cent line??? and i'm not even close to playing the max per game there. I'm actually betting small there.. AND, i am down lifetime there, too..

Billy, pls give us an explanation as to why they are no longer advertising here, and richie, put me back on the reduced juice.

**philswin** · 03-06-11, 11:02 AM

sounds like the early days of the Cascade collapse. Richard told me everything was fine then

**Bill Dozer** · 03-06-11, 11:53 AM

We can't always say why an advertiser makes the decisions they do. I commented in the other thread. We currently don't take down forum sponsors based on rating changes unless they drop below B.

Originally posted by Bill Dozer

Phoenix's line feed is expected to be available in our new SBRodds site or back as early as next week for anyone who wants to add them to their customized page. We are making some changes getting ready for the beta version.

BetPhoenix downgrade was over 2 weeks ago. They started March a B rated book. A book's status with SBR may or may not affect their decision to continue atop the forum. We don't always know and that is fine. We certainly select from the pool of top books when we add a sponsor.

Our BetPhoenix rating is B. Players can use the forum search for details. BetPhoenix | Phoenix

Nicky, Ive hoped you would provide some feedback. Please email your recent payout history.

**CappinTerp** · 03-06-11, 12:18 PM

A 20 CENT line is not uncommon for springtraining is it.???? I like BP never had a problem with them and always fast on their pay outs. Best of luck to all.

**geebert74** · 03-06-11, 12:28 PM

Originally posted by Nicky Santoro

i don't like this one bit. i just sent them 2 large deposits. Fred the CS mgr tells me they have never been stronger than now. He and Richie gave me their word a few days ago that i'd never get cut off or lower my limit, or take me off the reduced juice.. yesterday night i log in and I find a 20 cent line... I am pissed as hell...I emailed richie and no answer. then i come to SBR and find out they are off here and off of SBR lines. My last withdrawal has not made it to my bank yet in over 1 month, but richie says he's looking into it.. Now i read that they just dropped the ratings from B+ to B because they haven't paid a guy in 1 yr.. Billy, what is going on here?? Give me some news.. I don't like this one bit, especially putting me on that crappy 20 cent line.. Billy, johnny, what is going on at BP?? I need to know.. i am not a happy camper right now..

I have the reduced juice as well and they told me they dont do reduced juice on NCAAB. Only for The tourney will it be reduced. Wierd.

**Bill Dozer** · 03-06-11, 12:30 PM

Originally posted by CappinTerp

A 20 CENT line is not uncommon for springtraining is it.???? I like BP never had a problem with them and always fast on their pay outs. Best of luck to all.

Right 20 is standard this time of yr.

**Nicky Santoro** · 03-06-11, 12:48 PM

YES, i too have 20 cent lines in NCAAB and NHL.. always have. but i always had reduced juice in NBA from the beginning of time.. and now it's all 20 cent lines... no one is giving me an answer why. and i am not even playing steam.. i am only playing value, and they know this already. richie and fred promised me they'd never take it off as long as i keep doing what i'm doing.. i was doing this still, and now it reads 20 cent ines in NBA..

Richie boy, what do you want me to do with that garbage 20 cent line. richie, this is not 1985.. Richie, i have not played into a 20 cent line since the mid 80's...the last time i played into a 20 cent line was 1985.. my fav group was WHAM and Duran Duran..richie boy, put back that 10 cent line in nba or i'm coming on the next flight to C.R. to kick your ass..

**P.F.Kasooff** · 03-06-11, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by Nicky Santoro

Billy, what is going on here?? Give me some news.. I don't like this one bit, especially putting me on that crappy 20 cent line.. Billy, johnny, what is going on at BP?? I need to know.. i am not a happy camper right now..

Transfer it all to Matchy

**TRE1968** · 03-06-11, 01:16 PM

BP sux its for rookies

**Nicky Santoro** · 03-06-11, 01:26 PM

Originally posted by TRE1968

BP sux its for rookies

They have decent lines, their site is great. it never goes down anymore.. CS is good..

They have potential.. but too many flaws there right now, especially with their payout rules and how it takes so long to get money out... I also wish they'd have book to book with many books.

**mtneer1212** · 03-06-11, 01:37 PM

BP is a decent out for very rec players. As much as I like them, I just don't think I would care to have a real large balance there, given the withdrawal limitations. But what money I have there, I'd feel safe.

**SBR_John** · 03-06-11, 01:50 PM

BP has a lot of upside. Maybe its just coincidental but when their charismatic bookmaker Fernando passed away last year it seemed they never recovered from an operational sense.

I'm sure they don't care but my two cents are they should hire or promote a hands on assistant to Richard because Richard can be quite difficult to contact at times. And two; hire Sylvia who is a customer service manager pro with a long track record in Costa Rica or someone like her. The bottomline is the head guy is stable but not really a day to day operations guy. They do biz in Asia and run the EOG and quite a few other projects. They are just too thin and it shows at BP.

**Monte** · 03-06-11, 01:56 PM

one of the books i could see collapsing very soon, i would only keep low figures there for sure, cannot be trusted