Would you go all in with a pair of Jacks pre-flop???

**muldoon** · 03-07-11, 01:08 AM

I still go all in with them, but I'm 0 for 6 the last 6 times...so it sucks for the moment.

**JOHON8** · 03-07-11, 01:18 AM

Might as well push with an ace everytime, the fukking ace always comes.

ALWAYS

**BlastByou** · 03-07-11, 01:20 AM

Pocket j's are tricky. A lot of pros talk about how much they hate them. it also depends if you are playing online or live

**UntilTheNDofTimE** · 03-07-11, 01:21 AM

you guys are tools to think this would be a simple answer. So many different scenarios to look into. Chip stack, position, tourney or cash game, table play, Potential opponents equity in the hand, and about 15 other things that i wont even get into. Generally when im dealt pocket jacks in a cash game. ( i play around 25-35 hours live a week) ill be all in about 8% of the time pre flop. Even with card like Aces ill have even a lower percentage. Your goal with big pocket pairs is to isolate your hand, Not push pre flop. Pushing gives mediocre hands a lot of call equity if you get say 2 callers in early position.

**Intuitive_Edge** · 03-07-11, 01:27 AM

Shove button or later against small/mid/upper stacks that are loose/agressive of any variation. ALWAYS dump JJ with a couple raises in front of you regardless of your position

**icancount2one** · 03-07-11, 01:43 AM

If you and your opponent have deepish stacks, like 50 big blinds or more, you will almost always find yourself way behind or a little ahead. 3-bet folding isn't pretty, but you gotta do it sometimes unless you're up against a maniac. In a freeroll like on SBR where people are open shoving ATC in the early rounds, I'd probably stick my nose in with what figures to be the best hand. I haven't been playing these tourneys much because I work weird hours.

Originally posted by obamaismyuncle

online poker is bingo all over these days, just the way I like it.

Maybe in the freerolls and $2 games you play bud. The economy has the food chain all f'd up, some pros are busting and games get tougher all the time. In '05 - '08 anyone with a brain could make a killing.

**DennisGreen** · 03-07-11, 02:34 AM

If you're in an MTT and have 10 BB's or less then yes it's an all in situation. If it's early on with like 10/20 blinds with 1500+ chip counts don't be retarded and play bingo against fish because you know some assclown will be calling with KQ and ending your tourney early. Cash games are different I would just call with JJ and hope to hit a J on the flop. Jacks get burned a lot on ragged flops. Hate this hand personally.

**count da money** · 03-07-11, 09:54 AM

Originally posted by frizzelli

this is how you play jacks you clown

there you go

**cobalt king** · 03-07-11, 09:59 AM

it depends on a lot of things, how lose your table is, if your playing a cash game or a tourney, how big is your stack, if your short stacked and behind the blinds you wanna push to steal or get called and double but if its early you just put in a 3 or 4 times raise of the big blind to get an idea of what everyone has if someone goes over the top all in they probably have kk aa or ak and you should fold

**levski2006** · 03-07-11, 11:33 AM

Originally posted by KingKolzig

great fuking example u fkn goof, :40 to :55

Originally posted by frizzelli

this is how you play jacks you clown

what a great faking video!!!!!!!

**blueghost** · 03-07-11, 11:58 AM

never all in pre-flop with JACKS tried it many times on FT ,PS right of the git go in tournys .yep out in last place ..just check and hope to flop trips..and then pray they hold

**Doc JS** · 03-07-11, 11:59 AM

Originally posted by falconticket

Jacks beat 10's. Your thinking of Blackjack maybe?

I think iifold's point is/was JJ is a lot closer to TT than it is to AA. And you should treat it as such...

Doc

**thechaoz** · 03-07-11, 12:56 PM

LOL I expected that video to be an actually strategy one. That shit is just too good. Basically sums it up with jacks. It depends, it depends, it depends. I will say if you have less then 10 bb's always push over limp/raises, and min raise call shove with no action in front of you.

**P.F.Kasooff** · 03-07-11, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by muldoon

I still go all in with them, but I'm 0 for 6 the last 6 times...so it sucks for the moment.

6-0 is right around the corner

**scarface2738** · 03-07-11, 01:52 PM

lol it all depends on the situation and table dynamics!

**jetsjets1028** · 03-07-11, 01:56 PM

deff more often than not no because JJ is like kissing death

**Badgers13** · 03-07-11, 08:52 PM

JJ's suck

**ClayMaker5252** · 03-07-11, 09:13 PM

hahah this thread is great

**boscokid** · 03-07-11, 09:39 PM

Originally posted by B1GER1C828

ya but it depends on situation.

Typically all in with JJ is the right play, only time to consider folding would be, a raise,a reraise and a push all in infront of you or something along these lines.

this is wrong on many levels

**dbartinbwgc** · 03-07-11, 09:40 PM

Only if I was almost out

**wiffle** · 03-07-11, 09:56 PM

Originally posted by boscokid

this is wrong on many levels

not really

**SpeedPro** · 03-07-11, 10:50 PM

Yep. Done that a few times. Mostly when I was ready to go.

**sector420** · 03-07-11, 10:52 PM

I guess it depends if your feeling it. Thats what i think

**scarp** · 03-07-11, 10:59 PM

Id def go all in with 3 or less people

**blackbart** · 03-07-11, 11:00 PM

juyst fold um

**boscokid** · 03-08-11, 07:24 AM

Originally posted by wiffle

not really

lol - so you and the OP believe the only way to fold JJ preflop is facing bet, raise, rereaise, reraise?? good luck with that

**Roxxyfish** · 03-08-11, 07:52 AM

it depends how far the tourney is and what stack i have usually i just call or do a minimum raise, i dont like jacks and10s very much

**SpeedPro** · 03-08-11, 07:16 PM

True I would be less inclined to doing that early in the tourney.

**wiffle** · 03-08-11, 08:27 PM

Originally posted by boscokid

lol - so you and the OP believe the only way to fold JJ preflop is facing bet, raise, rereaise, reraise?? good luck with that

not only that situation, obv, but only when facing aggression from multiple people and even then maybe not. depends on stack size and buy-in.

**Glitch** · 03-09-11, 03:51 AM

yes but more because they seem lucky to me a-6 or a k-6 suited donk play can burn you so many times.

**HeeeHAWWWW** · 03-09-11, 04:55 PM

Horrible hand, you always end up screaming at your monitor, as Mr Cage so adequately demonstrates:

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**yisman** · 03-09-11, 04:57 PM

I played today until the blinds hit 600 and I never got a high pair. That was a lot of hands.

Amazing.

Best hands: KQ (unsuited), A10 (unsuited), pair of 4s, pair of 2s

although at the end I think I had AJ. But no AA, KK, QQ, JJ, etc.

**k13** · 03-09-11, 05:07 PM

Top 5 hand in Poker.

77.5 win % vs random hand

yup, fold it pre-flop

**Footballtime** · 03-09-11, 08:39 PM

Pocket jacks seem to get me quite often, but shit i also lose with pocket aces often also!

**HeeeHAWWWW** · 03-10-11, 07:11 AM

Found a nice little stats table, shows probability of a higher pair than JJ with X other players

9: 12.6%
5: 7.2%
3: 4.4%
1: 1.5%

Problem if you let it go to a flop though, chance of an A or K is 41% on the flop, 60% the board - if someone checks your big raise, that's probably going to connect (or they have QQ/KK/AA/AK/AQs).