Phillies To Win It All - Still 6.50 @ Boyle

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  • forsberg21
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    • 09-23-09
    • 1851

    #1
    Phillies To Win It All - Still 6.50 @ Boyle
    Did anyone load up on the Phillies to win the World Series the night Lee announced he's signing there?

    Could have got them at 8.00, you can still still get them at 6.50 at Boylesports and 6.00 at Coral and Unibet.

    Philly @ 8.00 was $$$$$, still not too late to get some value here
  • unde0087
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    • 03-27-08
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    #2
    you will be throwing money away
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    • forsberg21
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      • 09-23-09
      • 1851

      #3
      Well I intend on hedging this bet along the way... Ideally, if/when Philly gets to the World Series, I'll wager $X on their opponent so that I guarantee myself a pretty sick ROI on this. Of course you can hedge this as soon as the playoffs begin, or after (if) they win their first round series and second.
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      • unde0087
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        • 03-27-08
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        #4
        they have a good pitching staff there is no denying it but injuries can happen and their lineup isn't as explosive as they once were and so they will have to pitch well
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        • forsberg21
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          • 09-23-09
          • 1851

          #5
          Originally posted by unde0087
          they have a good pitching staff there is no denying it but injuries can happen and their lineup isn't as explosive as they once were and so they will have to pitch well
          Good, as in one of the best starting 5, on paper, of all time.
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          • Al Masters
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            • 04-29-06
            • 6940

            #6
            Originally posted by forsberg21
            Did anyone load up on the Phillies to win the World Series the night Lee announced he's signing there?

            Could have got them at 8.00, you can still still get them at 6.50 at Boylesports and 6.00 at Coral and Unibet.

            Philly @ 8.00 was $$$$$, still not too late to get some value here
            They got a shot foresure but i would never tie up a LOAD of my bankroll for 10 months on what may happen and if it does happen only getting 6 to 1 on my money, the money can be better spent using it play now.

            No value in having your money lay dead for 10 months at that number IMO but they do have a shot
            .
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            • Mikail
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              • 07-19-09
              • 21689

              #7
              Originally posted by Al Masters
              They got a shot foresure but i would never tie up a LOAD of my bankroll for 10 months on what may happen and if it does happen only getting 6 to 1 on my money, the money can be better spent using it play now.

              No value in having your money lay dead for 10 months at that number IMO but they do have a shot
              .
              Exactly.
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              • unde0087
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                • 03-27-08
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                #8
                Originally posted by forsberg21
                Good, as in one of the best starting 5, on paper, of all time.

                they have a good staff, a great staff was what the Braves had with 3 hall of famers and how many championships did they win with probably the greatest pitching staffs ever.
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                • forsberg21
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                  • 09-23-09
                  • 1851

                  #9
                  Originally posted by unde0087


                  they have a good staff, a great staff was what the Braves had with 3 hall of famers and how many championships did they win with probably the greatest pitching staffs ever.
                  Alright, what other team in 2011 will have a better pitching staff than the Phillies?

                  I see that we have a lot of short term thinkers on this board.

                  Also, neither of Smoltz, Maddux nor Glavine are in the Hall of Fame yet, and it's a tight process, so you can't say they are "Hall of Famers. My point is that nobody will even come close to touching Philly's pitching this season, and everyone knows that pitching wins in the playoffs.
                  Last edited by forsberg21; 12-24-10, 05:38 PM.
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                  • unde0087
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                    • 03-27-08
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by forsberg21
                    Alright, what other team in 2011 will have a better pitching staff than the Phillies?

                    I see that we have a lot of short term thinkers on this board.


                    short term thinker? I just gave you an example of a pitching staff that would beat the shit out of the Phillies staff right now. You have two solid #1 pitchers, does that mean we crown them right now? Like I said before The Braves had 3 starting hall of famers and only got 1 championship in those years so why would you think now that the Phillies are going to win it all just because they have Cliff Lee now?
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                    • Al Masters
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                      • 04-29-06
                      • 6940

                      #11
                      Originally posted by unde0087
                      short term thinker? I just gave you an example of a pitching staff that would beat the shit out of the Phillies staff right now. You have two solid #1 pitchers, does that mean we crown them right now? Like I said before The Braves had 3 starting hall of famers and only got 1 championship in those years so why would you think now that the Phillies are going to win it all just because they have Cliff Lee now?
                      I politely responded to his post, i guess he didn't like my opinion either,i believe i'm also a ''short term thinker"

                      I guess if a guy is willing to tie up a load his funds for 10 months on the if come getting 6 to 1 because of 1 signing of a very good pitcher then next time i'll just agree and give the OP a big .

                      Forsberg it's christmas i'm not here to argue with your dumb a.s.s, if thinking about getting money out of This seaons Bowl Games and the NHL and NBA's current season makes me a short term thinker then i guess i am,,there is a Bowl game in 2 hours to try and get money out of and your worried about hedging next years world series.

                      Forsberg the Phillies are good the pitching staff is fantastic, they have a legitimate shot, but IN MY OPINION
                      NOT A SMART BET BECAUSE OF THE 10 MONTH TIME FRAME.NO VALUE WHATS SO EVER.

                      I hope you can appreciate it's just my opinion,doesnt make me a short term thinker, or are short term thinkers just those who don't see things your way?


                      Merry Christmas.
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                      • DrunkHorseplayer
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                        • 05-15-10
                        • 7719

                        #12
                        Originally posted by unde0087
                        they have a good staff, a great staff was what the Braves had with 3 hall of famers and how many championships did they win with probably the greatest pitching staffs ever.
                        The Braves staff did play in the steroid monkey era, in which the importance of pitching was significantly diminished. This a much different (and much better) day and age.
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                        • gryfyn1
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                          • 03-30-10
                          • 3285

                          #13
                          I dont care how good a team looks or is on paper, 6-1 to win the WS in December is not a good idea.
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                          • forsberg21
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                            • 09-23-09
                            • 1851

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Al Masters
                            I politely responded to his post, i guess he didn't like my opinion either,i believe i'm also a ''short term thinker" I guess if a guy is willing to tie up a load his funds for 10 months on the if come getting 6 to 1 because of 1 signing of a very good pitcher then next time i'll just agree and give the OP a big . Forsberg it's christmas i'm not here to argue with your dumb a.s.s, if thinking about getting money out of This seaons Bowl Games and the NHL and NBA's current season makes me a short term thinker then i guess i am,,there is a Bowl game in 2 hours to try and get money out of and your worried about hedging next years world series. Forsberg the Phillies are good the pitching staff is fantastic, they have a legitimate shot, but IN MY OPINION NOT A SMART BET BECAUSE OF THE 10 MONTH TIME FRAME.NO VALUE WHATS SO EVER. I hope you can appreciate it's just my opinion,doesnt make me a short term thinker, or are short term thinkers just those who don't see things your way? Merry Christmas.
                            Don't let your emotions get the best of you buddy, relax!

                            The Phillies will have the reigning NL Cy Young winner, PLUS Cliff Lee, PLUS Roy Oswalt. In any 7 game series, the opposition will have to face LEE/HALLADAY a MINIMUM of 4 TIMES. It's going to be VERY tough to bet against that.

                            If you don't like my wager, then you at least have to admit that this is a +EV play. BTW, I got the Phillies at 8.00.

                            About the tying up your bankroll for 10 months, I understand your point, BUT, I didn't tie up my entire bankroll for 10 months on this wager. I placed a significant, but very small percentage of my bankroll on it, and I do plan on hedging it later on during the MLB playoffs, depending on how things turn out. With my style of wagering, betting on ONLY Philly to win the World Series is as foolish as playing roulette, I'd rather minimize my return while ensuring a substantial, guaranteed return.

                            I view my futures wagers as investments. If I can get a return of 75% of my investment, including all future hedges on this wager, than that will annihilate any return that I would receive from any GIC, bond, mutual fund or stock. That's the way I look at this, an investment that will pay off in the long run (though 10 months for any investment in the market is exceptionally short).

                            So bash my investment philosophy if you will, but the fact of the matter is that the Phillies at 8.00 is a +EV wager, and when hedged as the MLB season progress, will net me a return that will be superior than anything I can get in the markets.
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                            • smitch124
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                              • 05-19-08
                              • 12566

                              #15
                              These big free agent signings for pitchers rarely work out. CC and Maddux have done well, other than that many fail. The Phillies will need Rollins to return to form and hope for health and a return to stardom for Howard and Utley and they should be a solid team. There really isn't a ton to beat in the NL, although a Rockie team could be a force with a healthy staff and another stellar year from Carlos Gonzalez. I think 8.00 as a price has value, now at 6.5 that seems about right for this team as things stand at the moment.
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                              • Ace_of_Spades
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                                • 10-14-09
                                • 13518

                                #16
                                Pitchers are beatable. Cliff Lee and Halladay are beatable.
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                                • Pauulzcappin
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                                  • 04-23-10
                                  • 20295

                                  #17
                                  Philly at +299 on Pinny, field is -342.

                                  Let me remind that they are the sharpest book on baseball.
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                                  • whatsgood5
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                                    • 10-13-09
                                    • 15359

                                    #18
                                    Anyone care to check up my Braves odds as I don't have an acct at either of these books?

                                    Thanks!
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                                    • forsberg21
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 09-23-09
                                      • 1851

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Ace_of_Spades
                                      Pitchers are beatable. Cliff Lee and Halladay are beatable.
                                      Obviously pitchers are beatable. No pitcher goes 30-0 in a season, this goes without saying. However, in this case, the LEE/HALLADAY combo is very likely to be the least beatable duo in the majors this season.
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                                      • jsmithj88
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 12-27-08
                                        • 3591

                                        #20
                                        lee is one of the best playoff performers
                                        hamels has won the WS as the ace
                                        halladay is the best pitcher in baseball
                                        oswalt has been to the WS and has had playoff success

                                        pitching is not the phillies concern, its the hitting
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                                        • Killer_Demo
                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                          • 06-15-08
                                          • 8409

                                          #21
                                          phillies fans think gaining 1 pitcher is taking them all the way...they are in for a sad future
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                                          • gangeriver
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 12-23-09
                                            • 2138

                                            #22
                                            why people are not tired of losing with phillies?. Some of people suppose that Halladay and Lee unbeatable. They beatable and may injured.
                                            I admit Phillies has the best starting pitcher rotation.Well, setups? is there any decent closer? Halladay can't play 9 inings all of matchs.
                                            (Don't say Lidge. I laugh my ass off)
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