BCS critics read this:

**BuddyBear** · 01-07-06, 12:42 PM

John you know I am a big fan of yours and I know you are a Big 12 guy but with all do respect this a post I can't agree with you on...

I agree the matchup may be different but what makes you say that USC would have crushed PSU or that Texas would have rolled Alabama. That may happen but there is no guarantee.

I mean in the past 4 years (2003-2006) we've had 3 of the 4 underdogs win outright

OSU beating Miami (underdog SU)
LSU beating Oklahoma (underdog SU)
USC beating Oklahoma (Favorite SU and ATS)
Texas beating USC (Underdog USC)

I think PSU/USC would have made a great matchup personally....Texas/Alabama maybe not but it would have been interesting to see that stellar defense against Texas.

Not to mention Bowl games are full of suprises.

**jumper** · 01-07-06, 03:31 PM

maybe next step will be a 4 team playoff.

**Razz** · 01-07-06, 03:50 PM

BB, technically Oklahoma went off as the favorite in last year's national championship.
SBR John, very good point. I am one of the few people I know who isn't in love with the theory of a playoff - though anything is better than the old bowl system, because right now the national champion could easily be Ohio St. or West Virginia or someone along that line. While a tournament involving these teams would have been fabulous, it may have deprived us of what many are calling the greatest game they have ever seen.

**bigboydan** · 01-07-06, 04:18 PM

Originally posted by jumper

maybe next step will be a 4 team playoff.

thats exactly what they need to do. maybe in 10 years or so the NCAA will see that it's needed.

**Illusion** · 01-07-06, 04:21 PM

I would personally like to see an 8 team playoff.

**SBR_John** · 01-07-06, 05:15 PM

OK Budy Bear lets go with your point because that actually helps makes my case. What if Penn St beats USC? Is Penn St #1 because they beat #1. Or would Texas slip in?

At least with the current sytem #2 has a chance to become #1 if they can just win. If Penn St [lays USC then the #2's only hope at being number 1 is for Penn St to win and brother, that would of deprived Texas the National Championship.

Personally I'd like to see a 4 team playoff. It wouldnt be perfect either...just better than we have. Kind of like the BCS is today verus the past system.

**bigboydan** · 01-07-06, 05:23 PM

Originally posted by Illusion

I would personally like to see an 8 team playoff.

divsion 2 type playoff structure would be nice to see as well. the problem with that though is the loss of income the other bowls generate for schools.

**pags11** · 01-07-06, 06:59 PM

an eight team playoff would be great...

**onlooker** · 01-07-06, 07:02 PM

Originally posted by bigboydan

divsion 2 type playoff structure would be nice to see as well. the problem with that though is the loss of income the other bowls generate for schools.

They could keep the bowls around. Use the current BCS bowls for the Championship games. 4 or 8 team playoff, Id be happy with either.

**aje** · 01-08-06, 12:48 AM

A plus 1 model would be nice for certain years. So teams like Auburn last year can get a chance to settle it on the field. As for a 8 team playoff would just cause greater debate. I look at the Orange Bowl and it seemed like so many people had a problem with Florida State and their record. No computers or polls to get the bid just beat Virginia Tech and people still find fault.

**pags11** · 01-08-06, 01:07 AM

whatever happened to the investigation being done by congress?...what a joke...

**SBR_John** · 01-08-06, 01:44 AM

I'd love an 8 team field but I think the first do'able step is to play all the bowls so they get their cash...then take the top 4. 1 plays 4 and 2 plays 3. The top two get home field. The championship will be on a neutral field.

This only adds 2 extra weeks which is a strong complaint(student atheltes playing too many weeks).

While someone is gonna be mad like the 5th place team, they had a chance to make the top 4 which is more than Auburn had.

In this scenario You would of had
USC play Ohio St @ Los Angeles
Texas play Penn St @ Austin
Tell me that aint some serious football???

Then the two winners play...whoa Nelly!!

**Santo** · 01-08-06, 06:07 AM

Originally posted by pags11

whatever happened to the investigation being done by congress?...what a joke...

It's ongoing... anything Congress does takes a fair while ;o)

**JoshW** · 01-08-06, 07:16 AM

Is much better than the old bowl system. One game between one and two is key. Four team would of course be better, but no one seems to want to go to it with all the money the BCS bowls count on from matchups that are in place for almost a month ahead of time to allow for extensive fan travel.

**drunkguy** · 01-08-06, 04:12 PM

I guess the point is that this is the 1st year the BCS has ever worked, and everyone is saying how great it is.

The fact is a 3rd grader could have put together the Texas-USC game. You didnt need 2 polls, computer rankings, etc, etc to figure this out. They are the only 2 undefeated teams. Any system would have worked, and there are a lot simpler ones that would have given the same result.

However in years where there is some contention for the 1st/2nd spots, BCS tends to fail miserably. If PSU ran the board, or if USC dropped a game somewhere along the line, it would have been the same horrible mess it has been in the past.

Any year with exactly 2 undefeated teams is going to make the BCS system look good. And any year with 0, 1, 3, 4, or more undefeated teams is going to make it look bad and there are going to be issues.

So, no, it is not a good system. A good system handles all the issues. This is just a crappy sytem that happened to have a season where everything went right despite it.

**SBR_John** · 01-09-06, 01:03 AM

Drunkguy,
"The fact is a 3rd grader could have put together the Texas-USC game." Unfortunately the old system did not use a 3rd grader and would NOT have matched up Texas-USC. Which is my point...at least its better than the old system which would have pitted Texas vs Alabama, not Texas vs USC. We have the BCS to thank for that.

**Illusion** · 01-09-06, 01:50 AM

Originally posted by SBR_John

OK Budy Bear lets go with your point because that actually helps makes my case. What if Penn St beats USC? Is Penn St #1 because they beat #1. Or would Texas slip in?

At least with the current sytem #2 has a chance to become #1 if they can just win. If Penn St [lays USC then the #2's only hope at being number 1 is for Penn St to win and brother, that would of deprived Texas the National Championship.

Personally I'd like to see a 4 team playoff. It wouldnt be perfect either...just better than we have. Kind of like the BCS is today verus the past system.

The BCS finally got it right this year. How many times have they fvcked it up. The new system which is supposed to be near perfect still produced split national champs a few years ago. I would rather see an 8 team playoff than the current (we get it right every other year) system.

**pags11** · 01-09-06, 03:33 PM

so the "and one" they added for this upcoming year is just an extra game for everyone, right?...

**drunkguy** · 01-12-06, 12:35 AM

Originally posted by SBR_John

Drunkguy,
"The fact is a 3rd grader could have put together the Texas-USC game." Unfortunately the old system did not use a 3rd grader and would NOT have matched up Texas-USC. Which is my point...at least its better than the old system which would have pitted Texas vs Alabama, not Texas vs USC. We have the BCS to thank for that.

I agree that it would not have produced this particular matchup

it would have produced a Penn State-USC matchup though

anyway, the simple "+1" system would alleviate any of those problems without getting into the complexities of the BCS, and would allow most of the traditional bowl rivalries to carry on while still allowing for a "championship" game

**onlooker** · 01-12-06, 12:36 AM

Good to see you around DG.

**aje** · 01-14-06, 09:56 AM

Originally posted by SBR_John

I'd love an 8 team field but I think the first do'able step is to play all the bowls so they get their cash...then take the top 4. 1 plays 4 and 2 plays 3. The top two get home field. The championship will be on a neutral field.

This only adds 2 extra weeks which is a strong complaint(student atheltes playing too many weeks).

While someone is gonna be mad like the 5th place team, they had a chance to make the top 4 which is more than Auburn had.

In this scenario You would of had
USC play Ohio St @ Los Angeles
Texas play Penn St @ Austin
Tell me that aint some serious football???

Then the two winners play...whoa Nelly!!

Would the championship be on a neutral field.

**SBR_John** · 01-14-06, 10:02 AM

Would the championship be on a neutral field.

EXACTLY! And you know what else? You play this game on the Saturday before the frigging Suberbowl! Man talk about a juiced public and ratings out the azzz! (not to mention the $300 million or so in new cash the NCAA could generate)