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    How the hell do you effectively LIVE bet on Prime broadcasts?

    Iíve got 2 TVs, an IPad and an Android phone streaming the game tonight and everyone of them are different time. One TV is about a minute and a half ahead of all the others. How the hell do you really know whatís live. How are the books watching these games? Theyíre probably behind as well but I havenít tested it out.

    They need to put an official clock up top so you can really tell how far youíre feed really is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mac4Lyfe View Post
    I’ve got 2 TVs, an IPad and an Android phone streaming the game tonight and everyone of them are different time. One TV is about a minute and a half ahead of all the others. How the hell do you really know what’s live. How are the books watching these games? They’re probably behind as well but I haven’t tested it out.
    The books have different feed. If you watch the live lines long enough you can tell what's going to happen in the football game before you see it on TV.
    They need to put an official clock up top so you can really tell how far you’re feed really is.
    The books have different feed. If you watch the live lines long enough you can tell what's going to happen in the football game before you see it on TV.

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    Yeah, I wonder how they get the live feeds? My one TV seems to be a few seconds ahead of Heritage but not enough to have an advantage. The late TV is way late. 2 plays have gone by. That is bullshit. If that was my only feed, I’d be screwed. They used to have LIVE posted on the screen. Looks like they stopped and only show PRIME.

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    You don't. You watch the betting app only with no context.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mac4Lyfe View Post
    I’ve got 2 TVs, an IPad and an Android phone streaming the game tonight and everyone of them are different time. One TV is about a minute and a half ahead of all the others. How the hell do you really know what’s live. How are the books watching these games? They’re probably behind as well but I haven’t tested it out.

    They need to put an official clock up top so you can really tell how far you’re feed really is.
    I'd guess books have someone at the game or they clone a book that does have someone at the game.

    Radio is the only way to keep up with the books.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raiders72001 View Post
    I'd guess books have someone at the game or they clone a book that does have someone at the game.

    Radio is the only way to keep up with the books.
    ^^^ This. I think most books pay an incident feed provider who has people at the game logging everything real time on an ipad. For major leagues at least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raiders72001 View Post
    I'd guess books have someone at the game or they clone a book that does have someone at the game.

    Radio is the only way to keep up with the books.
    Wow, that’s some serious coordination. Do you think they do it for CFB too? That’s incredible they can do all these games in real time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mac4Lyfe View Post
    Wow, that’s some serious coordination. Do you think they do it for CFB too? That’s incredible they can do all these games in real time.
    I'm not certain but would think so.

    They may not always have a real time feed but can get a timestamped list of plays to compare against their live betting logs too. Which is what is happening when live bets are reversed next day.

    There has been a couple of posters at SBR who say they worked for the companies who do it. Pay was a ticket plus about $50 from memory of what they said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    Which is what is happening when live bets are reversed next day.

    There has been a couple of posters at SBR who say they worked for the companies who do it. Pay was a ticket plus about $50 from memory of what they said.
    Wait Opti - Do live bets get reversed a lot? I've never had that happen. I've heard of a few situations where there were computer glitches but I thought that was very few for the most part.

    That's actually a good gig for the books and the posters. Just not sure you an pay me to attend Texans games. Haha

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    ESPN is the worst.
    They're like on a 20 second delay (give or take, I never put a stopwatch to it, but I will tomorrow for MNF)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mac4Lyfe View Post

    Wait Opti - Do live bets get reversed a lot? I've never had that happen. I've heard of a few situations where there were computer glitches but I thought that was very few for the most part.

    That's actually a good gig for the books and the posters. Just not sure you an pay me to attend Texans games. Haha
    It's fairly common with offshores. Less so with mainstream licensed like UK or USA.

    People chasing fast live feeds to bet live as late as possible regularly should be able to confirm it has happened to them from time to time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mac4Lyfe View Post
    Yeah, I wonder how they get the live feeds? My one TV seems to be a few seconds ahead of Heritage but not enough to have an advantage. The late TV is way late. 2 plays have gone by. That is bullshit. If that was my only feed, I’d be screwed. They used to have LIVE posted on the screen. Looks like they stopped and only show PRIME.


    He's trolling brah. Live odds are set by computer calculations that can effectively change lines every time a play happens in pretty much every sport. Many times in NBA games, the total will increase by 2 whenever a guy hits a 3 pointer for example. Moneylines even slightly change when a tennis player faults based on the possibility of a double fault. It's all automated.



    Any seasoned live bettor can see a line change and make a normally accurate assumption on what occurred before it even registers on TV or in the online scorebox.



    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    It's fairly common with offshores. Less so with mainstream licensed like UK or USA.



    People chasing fast live feeds to bet live as late as possible regularly should be able to confirm it has happened to them from time to time.


    Sometimes you can find two different lines with slightly different odds that are essentially the same outcome. Those are usually easy to exploit and don't get canceled.


    I have had a few lines get canceled on lines that are obvious mistakes. I've never had a scenario where a line got canceled after betting because of the sportsbook trying to get one over on me. I have had a few bets get through though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raiders72001 View Post
    I'd guess books have someone at the game or they clone a book that does have someone at the game.

    Radio is the only way to keep up with the books.
    The radio is behind as well now. Sirius used to be on par but they have been moved back as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hotdiggity11 View Post
    He's trolling brah. Live odds are set by computer calculations that can effectively change lines every time a play happens in pretty much every sport. Many times in NBA games, the total will increase by 2 whenever a guy hits a 3 pointer for example. Moneylines even slightly change when a tennis player faults based on the possibility of a double fault. It's all automated.
    I know it's all automated but I was questioning how were they getting the results from the previous down so much faster than all my feeds. Opti and others answered.

    I remember I was at the Texans game last year and I was wondering how they were on top of it so quickly. Having runners in the stands makes the most sense.

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    You watch the lines not the games.
    You don't need to watch any games ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by k13 View Post
    You watch the lines not the games.
    You don't need to watch any games ever.
    I hear this a lot and it makes sense but the only reason I watch is because I bet. What's the fun in watching a bunch of numbers changing? But, doesn't it make more sense to actually see what's happening on the field? like a defensive line that is killing the QB or are they in their territory or opponents, where are the mismatches, poor play calling, etc. I like as much info as possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k13 View Post
    You watch the lines not the games.
    Sounds like KVB, and he's broke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    Sounds like KVB, and he's broke.
    Wait, what did I miss? He hasn't been around here lately, has he?

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    Quote Originally Posted by d2bets View Post
    Wait, what did I miss? He hasn't been around here lately, has he?
    No, but that's the rhetoric he's been spewing for years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d2bets View Post
    Wait, what did I miss? He hasn't been around here lately, has he?
    Banned.


    Steve took a shot here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lakerboy View Post
    Banned.


    Steve took a shot here.
    No shot, read my last post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    No shot, read my last post.
    Line watching? That's the only way to win long term though. You can't win predicting

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    Quote Originally Posted by lakerboy View Post
    Line watching? That's the only way to win long term though.
    There's numerous other ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    There's numerous other ways.
    Yes short term. We won't agree on this topic though.

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    https://inplayip.tv

    Be prepared to pay a hefty sum for their services

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    Quote Originally Posted by lakerboy View Post
    We won't agree on this topic though.
    Is this topic confined only to football wagering, or can I debate this topic using baseball examples?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    Is this topic confined only to football wagering, or can I debate this topic using baseball examples?
    Spread sports are more important but it matters in all sports. I'm only talking about teams vs teams not props .

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    Last time I'm going to say this, there was no intentional shot taken at the aforementioned poster I named, it's just we butted heads over the 'line watching' debate in the past.

    And no LB, we're probably not going to agree on the topic, so we'll agree to disagree.
    And I still have the utmost respect for you and D2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mac4Lyfe View Post
    Wow, that’s some serious coordination. Do you think they do it for CFB too? That’s incredible they can do all these games in real time.
    I don't think it's that complicated. I guess they did that 20-30 years ago ?

    Books have access to stadium feeds. The providers though almost exclusively deal with bookmakers or similar companies and not individuals

    And in fact, the link I posted seems to be outdated or no longer dealing with the public. Someone I spoke to who used them in the past said pricing started at 50k/year
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    Quote Originally Posted by asiagambler View Post
    https://inplayip.tv

    Be prepared to pay a hefty sum for their services
    Any idea how much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by asiagambler View Post
    I don't think it's that complicated. I guess they did that 20-30 years ago ?

    Books have access to stadium feeds. The providers though almost exclusively deal with bookmakers or similar companies and not individuals

    And in fact, the link I posted seems to be outdated or no longer dealing with the public. Someone I spoke to who used them in the past said pricing started at 50k/year
    If it wasn't for limiting I'd do that and could easily make it worthwhile.

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    The way to do this is to set yourself up to watch a wide spectrum of live odds simultaneously. Minimum 5 unique sources and a mix of offshore/onshore. You'll see who's slow, off, leaned one way, opinionated, sharp/square, etc. and can take advantage from there. Don't really even need to watch the game. although it can help to have some clue what's going on, even if you know you are a play or two behind.
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    Yes I agree you do not need to watch the game to bet live. Watching the lines move tells you what is happeneing in the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pavyracer View Post
    Yes I agree you do not need to watch the game to bet live. Watching the lines move tells you what is happeneing in the game.
    I get that but for me, I tend to get a better feel for a game by watching. I can usually tell when a team is wearing down another team or having success in one facet of the game. I typically do better with live bets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mac4Lyfe View Post
    I get that but for me, I tend to get a better feel for a game by watching. I can usually tell when a team is wearing down another team or having success in one facet of the game. I typically do better with live bets.
    That's fair. But you can achieve that OK even with a little delay. For that, and to be safe, you could try to stick to timeouts.

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